Poll of the Day > Another mass shooting. a woman this time.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45594239

ebrbrbrbrb always men

@EvilMegas
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Shit like this is exactly why I have a problem with equal rights.
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I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol
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Lokarin posted...

I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol

Mass = 4 casualties, at least in America. And I'm not being snarky, that's the legit number that's used in determining if it was a mass shooting or not.

Psh she probably did it by accident
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I never said it was all males doing it?
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She's just fighting the patriarchy.
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EvilMegas posted...

I never said it was all males doing it?

wasn't aimed at you numbnuts
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The shooter probably has a cocktail of mental illnesses much her male shooter counterparts (a lot of the more debilitating mental illnesses are starting to crop up in women a lot more). We need better mental health services in America.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/9hi4qo/apparently_rockstar_just_confirmed_rdr_2_is/
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

EvilMegas posted...

I never said it was all males doing it?

wasn't aimed at you numbnuts

Dont tag me with the post. Maybe I won't make that obvious mistake again.
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Lokarin posted...

I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol

That's not how it works, but technically it doesn't qualify as a mass shooting for other reasons.

GanglyKhan posted...

Lokarin posted...

I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol

Mass = 4 casualties, at least in America. And I'm not being snarky, that's the legit number that's used in determining if it was a mass shooting or not.

This, tbh.
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Zeus posted...

Lokarin posted...

I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol

That's not how it works, but technically it doesn't qualify as a mass shooting for other reasons.

GanglyKhan posted...

Lokarin posted...

I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol

Mass = 4 casualties, at least in America. And I'm not being snarky, that's the legit number that's used in determining if it was a mass shooting or not.

This, tbh.

i can see the headlines now:

Mass shooting caused by Single Action Revolver
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But is she hot?
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Lokarin posted...

i can see the headlines now:

Mass shooting caused by Single Action Revolver

It would just say mass shooting. Keep in mind that pistols -- without reloading -- have been used in mass shootings.

green dragon posted...

But is she hot?

When I first saw a photo, I thought she was a guy.

https://nypost.com/2018/09/20/maryland-shooting-suspects-favorite-quote-an-eye-for-an-eye/

Also, not for nothing, but this quote really jumped out at me:
Normally, she was a nice person, but she came in in a bad mood, said co-worker Mike Carre.
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Zeus posted...

It would just say mass shooting. Keep in mind that pistols -- without reloading -- have been used in mass shootings.

Yes, I don't doubt that if the qualification is only 4 kills that a pistol could get a mass shooting. So could a slingshot, or fricken rocks.

Mass Stoning
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I like that in America shootings are so common that some people try to argue that only four people murdered at once should not qualify as a big deal.
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man101 posted...

I like that in America shootings are so common that some people try to argue that only four people murdered at once should not qualify as a big deal.

Of course it's a big deal - but like

Ok. Are 4 people a mass grave?
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Lokarin posted...

Mass Stoning

That'll be a reality in Canada next month.
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So if you kill 100 people but you dont reload it's not a mass killing
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Lokarin posted...

man101 posted...

I like that in America shootings are so common that some people try to argue that only four people murdered at once should not qualify as a big deal.

Of course it's a big deal - but like

Ok. Are 4 people a mass grave?

Well look at the flip side. Would you call 4 people killed a minor shooting?

Just "a shooting" typically makes sense for one person being shot, or just shot at. 4 is more than just an incident. And if we have to have a semantic argument over the issue, I'd much rather we err on the side of being a bigger deal it if only to keep reinforcing the point that there's a major fucking problem in this country. Not that it seems to be doing much anyway, but it definitely wouldn't help if we insist on referring to everything less than 10 murders as 'minor' or 'average'.
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man101 posted...

I like that in America shootings are so common that some people try to argue that only four people murdered at once should not qualify as a big deal.

....it's a definition used by law enforcement to differentiate incidents. Otherwise the incident is just noted as murders. And *every* nation likely has some variation on the concept where crimes are viewed differently in light of number of fatalities.

man101 posted...

Well look at the flip side. Would you call 4 people killed a minor shooting?

No, 4 fatalities is a mass shooting. 3 or fewer have different terms, like a triple homicide if 3 people are murdered by whatever means (not just a gun)

man101 posted...

Just "a shooting" typically makes sense for one person being shot, or just shot at. 4 is more than just an incident. And if we have to have a semantic argument over the issue, I'd much rather we err on the side of being a bigger deal it if only to keep reinforcing the point that there's a major fucking problem in this country. Not that it seems to be doing much anyway, but it definitely wouldn't help if we insist on referring to everything less than 10 murders as 'minor' or 'average'.

I'm not sure if you're being purposely ignorant, trolling, or misread the previous posts. Four fatalities qualifies it as a mass shooting (so your talk of "less than 10 murders" is just fucking stupid and that's not even counting that you should have said "fewer" -- did you learn nothing from Lord Stannis?!).

But you otherwise hit the nail on the head -- attempted over-use of the term "mass shooting" is little more than propaganda and, if anything, FEWER things should be considered mass shootings because some incidents with 4 or more victims weren't acts of indiscriminate murder but instead a personal, family dispute which is more garden variety murder. It's the same problem where propagandists try to play up things as "school shootings" and list incidents that include, among other things, a guy who killed himself in his car in a school parking lot -- something that logically no person would think of when they hear the term "school shooting"
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but guys. 4 people did die.

So its a mass shooting.
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also wow

https://www.essence.com/news/suspect-in-maryland-shooting-that-killed-3-identified-as-26-year-old-snochia-moseley/

Legit couldn't tell if that was a boy or a girl for far too long.
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That's not a dude?
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nope
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Zeus posted...

man101 posted...

I like that in America shootings are so common that some people try to argue that only four people murdered at once should not qualify as a big deal.

....it's a definition used by law enforcement to differentiate incidents. Otherwise the incident is just noted as murders. And *every* nation likely has some variation on the concept where crimes are viewed differently in light of number of fatalities.

man101 posted...

Well look at the flip side. Would you call 4 people killed a minor shooting?

No, 4 fatalities is a mass shooting. 3 or fewer have different terms, like a triple homicide if 3 people are murdered by whatever means (not just a gun)

man101 posted...

Just "a shooting" typically makes sense for one person being shot, or just shot at. 4 is more than just an incident. And if we have to have a semantic argument over the issue, I'd much rather we err on the side of being a bigger deal it if only to keep reinforcing the point that there's a major fucking problem in this country. Not that it seems to be doing much anyway, but it definitely wouldn't help if we insist on referring to everything less than 10 murders as 'minor' or 'average'.

I'm not sure if you're being purposely ignorant, trolling, or misread the previous posts. Four fatalities qualifies it as a mass shooting (so your talk of "less than 10 murders" is just fucking stupid and that's not even counting that you should have said "fewer" -- did you learn nothing from Lord Stannis?!).

But you otherwise hit the nail on the head -- attempted over-use of the term "mass shooting" is little more than propaganda and, if anything, FEWER things should be considered mass shootings because some incidents with 4 or more victims weren't acts of indiscriminate murder but instead a personal, family dispute which is more garden variety murder. It's the same problem where propagandists try to play up things as "school shootings" and list incidents that include, among other things, a guy who killed himself in his car in a school parking lot -- something that logically no person would think of when they hear the term "school shooting"

Dude why are you going on a tirade against me? I was just arguing against the idea that calling 4 a "mass" shooting was excessive. I wasn't even talking about technical terminology.
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Why do cops/troopers always wear their hats like downers? Put it flat on your head, not tilted down.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

also wow

https://www.essence.com/news/suspect-in-maryland-shooting-that-killed-3-identified-as-26-year-old-snochia-moseley/

Legit couldn't tell if that was a boy or a girl for far too long.

Bwhat.
I thought only incel white boys went on mass shootings.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

also wow

https://www.essence.com/news/suspect-in-maryland-shooting-that-killed-3-identified-as-26-year-old-snochia-moseley/

Legit couldn't tell if that was a boy or a girl for far too long.

Coley shared with the Sun messages in which Moseley identified as trans, although it is not what clear what pronouns Moseley preferred.

We'd better take our time and figure this out, so we can use the correct pronoun.
Wouldn't want to upset a dead mass murderer.

What I mostly mean is 4 deaths from ragequitting a job or whatever happened in maryland is not the same tier as the Vegas shooting... not even close.
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This is controversial and gonna sounds harsh but in my opinion shooting people is bad and should be a punishable offense maybe
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

but guys. 4 people did die.

So its a mass shooting.

The gunman never counts. It's 4 victims.
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Zeus posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

but guys. 4 people did die.

So its a mass shooting.

The gunman never counts. It's 4 victims.

Why do only deaths count?

Anyone hit by a fucking bullet should count, and "casualties" means both the dead and the injured. Whether the bullet kills you or not is basically luck, depending on how it entered / exited (if it exited), how quickly you're given needed medical care, etc...

streamofthesky posted...

Zeus posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

but guys. 4 people did die.

So its a mass shooting.

The gunman never counts. It's 4 victims.

Why do only deaths count?

Anyone hit by a fucking bullet should count, and "casualties" means both the dead and the injured. Whether the bullet kills you or not is basically luck, depending on how it entered / exited (if it exited), how quickly you're given needed medical care, etc...

Because that would further muddy the waters. And casualties means deaths in virtually every other context so changing it for this one specific context would be fucking stupid. And if you're arguing that "oh, well, it's just bad luck that they died because the bullet had the same intent" then why not treat all assaults as murders because, if not for good fortune, that might have also resulted in death? >_>
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GanglyKhan posted...

Lokarin posted...

I disagree with calling it a mass shooting... if you don't reload, it's not a mass shooting. Doubly so if it's a pistol

Mass = 4 casualties, at least in America. And I'm not being snarky, that's the legit number that's used in determining if it was a mass shooting or not.

An Heroing doesn't count for the high score.
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Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

Zeus posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

but guys. 4 people did die.

So its a mass shooting.

The gunman never counts. It's 4 victims.

Why do only deaths count?

Anyone hit by a fucking bullet should count, and "casualties" means both the dead and the injured. Whether the bullet kills you or not is basically luck, depending on how it entered / exited (if it exited), how quickly you're given needed medical care, etc...

Because that would further muddy the waters. And casualties means deaths in virtually every other context so changing it for this one specific context would be fucking stupid.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/casualty

1a : a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action The army sustained heavy casualties.

b : a person or thing injured, lost, or destroyed : victim the ex-senator was a casualty of the last election

2 : serious or fatal accident : disaster losses from fire, storm, or other casualty J. S. Seidman

3 archaic : chance, fortune losses that befall them by mere casualty Sir Walter Raleigh

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/casualty

1. Military.
a. a member of the armed forces lost to service through death, wounds, sickness, capture, or because his or her whereabouts or condition cannot be determined.
b. casualties,loss in numerical strength through any cause, as death, wounds, sickness, capture, or desertion.
2. one who is injured or killed in an accident: There were no casualties in the traffic accident.
3. any person, group, thing, etc., that is harmed or destroyed as a result of some act or event: Their house was a casualty of the fire.
4. a serious accident, especially one involving bodily injury or death.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/casualty

1. A person killed or injured in a war or accident.
1.1. A person or thing badly affected by an event or situation.
1.2 British The department of a hospital providing immediate treatment for emergency cases.
he went to casualty to have a cut stitched
1.3 (chiefly in insurance) an accident or disaster.

@Zeus
You were saying?

Zeus posted...

And casualties means deaths in virtually every other context

No it doesn't.

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...

An Heroing doesn't count for the high score.

4 isn't even enough to get you on the leaderboard.
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Let's see if he actually admits his mistake.
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You people are such fucking freaks. Taking a fucking victory lap because one out of one hundred mass shootings (and one that the media isn't even reporting because 4 bodies doesn't move the needle in this country anymore) was a black woman. What happened to all of you to make you this way?

Lmao. Of all the comments Ive made on this site I really got suspended over that smartsss comment. These mods are fuckin ridiculous
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@streamofthesky posted...

You were saying?

_AdjI_ posted...

Zeus posted...

And casualties means deaths in virtually every other context

No it doesn't.

It does, though. When you hear about an accident or disaster resulting in casualties, do you assume injuries or dead? Casualties is universally understood to mean death (hence "virtually every other context"), regardless of lesser-used meanings can be found in a dictionary. And the ONLY reason you'd want the change is to obscure the actual death toll and inflate the numbers--- the same as why people (like yourself) try to bundle suicides in a school parking lot and a student's gun accidentally discharging & hitting nobody as "school shootings." And it's unsurprising that you glam onto *that* portion of my response...

Sarcasthma posted...

Let's see if he actually admits his mistake.

My only mistake was not just stating that they were arguing in bad faith and leaving it at that, considering that they glossed over what I actually said which was "casualties means deaths in virtually every other context". So now you have people -- equally in bad faith -- trying to pigeonhole that instead of addressing the real issue, that he was proposing a deceitful way to propagandize "mass shooting" into meaning something else so it could include more incidents.
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Looks like he won't.
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Oh cool, Zeus is insisting hes right even though no one else agrees with him.
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Zeus posted...

It does, though. When you hear about an accident or disaster resulting in casualties, do you assume injuries or dead? Casualties is universally understood to mean death (hence "virtually every other context"), regardless of lesser-used meanings can be found in a dictionary.

Literally within the first definition of nearly any reputable dictionary.
This is just sad now.

And no, casualties has always meant dead, wounded, and missing. And often also refers to any who were captured, too.

Zeus posted...

My only mistake was not...

You've made a lot of mistakes.

Sarcasthma posted...

Looks like he won't.

In the face of such overwhelming evidence that he was wrong and facing a moment of uncertainty in his life, he consulted his WWTD? ("What Would Trump Do?") poster and realized that he can never apologize or admit he's wrong, for anything, ever.

Mass shootings by women are rare, with more than 95% of such attacks in the US carried out by men.

They're not always men. But they're almost always men. Like overwhelmingly almost always men. White men even. At least in the US.

This being a black woman is like a unicorn mass shooter.
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CacciatoPart3 posted...

Oh cool, Zeus is insisting hes right even though no one else agrees with him.

People *here* agreeing or disagreeing doesn't make anything more or less right, especially when the vast majority of people, media, etc, outside this board use it a certain way because it's understood to mean a certain thing.

streamofthesky posted...

You've made a lot of mistakes.

Like choosing to give you a serious response instead of just writing off your post? When you put it like that, I suppose I have.

streamofthesky posted...

In the face of such overwhelming evidence that he was wrong and facing a moment of uncertainty in his life, he consulted his WWTD? ("What Would Trump Do?") poster and realized that he can never apologize or admit he's wrong, for anything, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wyq9z0Wnw" data-time="
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Hop103 posted...

The shooter probably has a cocktail of mental illnesses much her male shooter counterparts (a lot of the more debilitating mental illnesses are starting to crop up in women a lot more). We need better mental health services in America.

this. i've said it before. its not so much a gun problem as it is a mental illness problem. take the guns away and they'd find another way to do the same if not comparable amount of harm. don't put a band-aid on the problem find the source.
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