Poll of the Day > So is Fortnite basically the new Minecraft on YouTube?

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In that it's the subject of pretty much every gaming video?

That made more sense with Minecraft though because you can create pretty much whatever. And yeah I know you can build in Fortnite too, I've played it and it's alright but it doesn't seem like something I'd want to watch videos of

I don't really know what you mean. Minecraft is a building and resource-gathering game. Fortnite is a team-based battle royale shooter. I don't see too many videos of either one, so I imagine you wouldn't unless you were looking for them.
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Nightengale posted...

I don't really know what you mean.

Chewster posted...

In that it's the subject of pretty much every gaming video?

Yeah, I don't know what "pretty much every gaming video" is. I would say I watch a lot of those and I don't see any of either game.
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Yes, it's the hot new game all the 10-14 year olds are playing.
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It's just a sign of the times, I don't get the appeal and I just wish we went back to real time strategy games, but that is an age long past
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completely free to play, on every major console (PS4, XONE, Switch, iOS, PC, Mac), and is actually very polished.

shits gonna be around a whiiiiile.

Edit: I know that wasnt the question. Just saying, this aint a fad.
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I kinda wonder if it's mainly just the style that's popular now. I'm sure being free and multiplat helps but IIRC PUBG was getting pretty big too until Fortnite surpassed it

Yeah, BR is huge right now (fucking CoD and Battlefied are both doing it this year) but the f2p thing I think is bigger cause PUBG is like $30.
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Chewster posted...

I kinda wonder if it's mainly just the style that's popular now. I'm sure being free and multiplat helps but IIRC PUBG was getting pretty big too until Fortnite surpassed it

PUBG cost money and it got flak for having shitty servers.
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FN takes some time to get used to. I've played better and way worse. What makes it hard is I want CoD to finally crash and burn but EA is doing their damnedest to turn BF5 into a dud. So this will have to do for now.

I don't understand why so many fools would sit and watch others play games. Too bad because I could make a fortune with all the stuff I play.

DPsx7 posted...

I don't understand why so many fools would sit and watch others play games. Too bad because I could make a fortune with all the stuff I play.

I doubt it. The person playing the game is at least half of the reason people watch and I don't think anybody wants to watch someone with your personality

Chewster posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I don't understand why so many fools would sit and watch others play games. Too bad because I could make a fortune with all the stuff I play.

I doubt it. The person playing the game is at least half of the reason people watch and I don't think anybody wants to watch someone with your personality

Huh? The camera faces the screen so what does the player have to do with anything unless I'm narrating a review?

I get that some people would watch these to see if a game is worth buying. And where everyone and their cousin plays the same old shit, I'm here with games like Hue, Rabi Ribi, Valkyrie Drive, Taiko Master, Bleed, and other stuff you'll never hear anyone discuss.

do you mean a shitty game that people waste time on? then yes
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Fortnite is very popular in general but especially popular amongst the demographic that watches youtube gaming videos. So if you want to be successful in youtube gaming you need to follow the trend.

Fortnite has outshined other brs because it is free, more widely available, less immediately punishing for mistakes, better visuals and being very polished.

Fortnite videos are also big because there is a lot of content to put into videos. There is info about collectibles and challenges, funny gameplay moments, and teaching you how to be better at the game. The first two are similar to minecraft and the last is a bonus.

Its hard to understand why youtube gaming is so popular, but its a different generation that watches it.
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Nightengale posted...

Yeah, I don't know what "pretty much every gaming video" is. I would say I watch a lot of those and I don't see any of either game.

he explained himself pretty well in the first post. you're just upset that you can't fucking read properly, ok?
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DPsx7 posted...

Huh? The camera faces the screen so what does the player have to do with anything unless I'm narrating a review?

People don't watch unnarrated gameplay footage. I mean, they do, it exists, but you aren't going to "make a fortune" with that. It's also a good idea to use capture software rather than filming the screen

DPsx7 posted...

I get that some people would watch these to see if a game is worth buying. And where everyone and their cousin plays the same old shit, I'm here with games like Hue, Rabi Ribi, Valkyrie Drive, Taiko Master, Bleed, and other stuff you'll never hear anyone discuss.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a huge market for videos on obscure games, which is why all the biggest YouTubers and Twitch streamers are constantly jumping on the bandwagon of the most popular games.

Again, there is a market, but not a "make a fortune" market.

PaddysPub posted...

completely free to play, on every major console (PS4, XONE, Switch, iOS, PC, Mac), and is actually very polished.

shits gonna be around a whiiiiile.

Edit: I know that wasnt the question. Just saying, this aint a fad.

definitely a fad, it'll last a while yeah but eventually it'll get replaced. i don't think it's deep enough like minecraft or even LoL (ugh) to stick around, pretty much why all these battle royale games keep coming and going like they do.
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DPsx7 posted...

Huh? The camera faces the screen so what does the player have to do with anything unless I'm narrating a review?

I take it you've never actually watched any of the videos that comprise the market you believe you could make a fortune in?

You better watch it adjl. You don't wanna mess with the guy who is always right no matter how wrong he actually is

I mean, as far as I can tell, he seems to think that streaming is just providing video reviews for people, but I still can't figure out how he thinks his personality wouldn't be a factor there.

_AdjI_ posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Huh? The camera faces the screen so what does the player have to do with anything unless I'm narrating a review?

I take it you've never actually watched any of the videos that comprise the market you believe you could make a fortune in?

What do you think?

As someone said earlier, it's a different generation. The people sitting on YT or Twit videos have the attention span of a gnat and don't finish games. You'd have to be one of them to make any money. I won't stoop that low.

Chewster posted...

You better watch it adjl. You don't wanna mess with the guy who is always right

Good, I knew there was hope for you yet.

_AdjI_ posted...

I mean, as far as I can tell, he seems to think that streaming is just providing video reviews for people, but I still can't figure out how he thinks his personality wouldn't be a factor there.

Why else would you be watching though? The point of gaming is to actually play them. Same with sports really. What kind of knucklehead just sits there to watch all the time? I've seen other videos and hate when people talk too much. Stop introducing yourself and begging for subscribers, just show me how to fix whatever I'm searching for. So with that in mind I wouldn't even think of putting myself on camera.

Is this guy for real? I'd say he needs to get outside and learn a bit how the real world works, but like... this isn't stuff you need to go outside for. You'd think understanding Steam or YouTube or Twitch would be in his wheelhouse.

Hey now, there is actually some degree of creativity required for Mincraft, and an actual consequence if you die.
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DPsx7 posted...

What do you think?

That saying you could make a fortune in a market you obviously know absolutely nothing about is pretty dumb.

DPsx7 posted...

Why else would you be watching though?

Because you find it entertaining. Same reason any piece of entertainment gets watched.

Personally, I'm actually not huge on the whole let's play/streaming thing, for basically the same reasons you're presenting. I'd generally rather play games than watch them. I have enjoyed watching some, though. For something like Dark Souls, it can be interesting to see how somebody's build idea pans out, and their commentary on it is an essential part of keeping me engaged with that. For something like Minecraft or Factorio, it can be interesting to see people's construction process, and their commentary is needed to understand where they're going with it. For me, most of it boils down to the question of "let's see how this person handles this," which limits it to games with challenges that will apply to every player, as well as an open-ended suite of options with which to tackle them.

Chewster posted...

Is this guy for real? I'd say he needs to get outside and learn a bit how the real world works, but like... this isn't stuff you need to go outside for. You'd think understanding Steam or YouTube or Twitch would be in his wheelhouse.

They're all for kids so no, not really my wheelhouse.

_AdjI_ posted...

DPsx7 posted...

What do you think?

That saying you could make a fortune in a market you obviously know absolutely nothing about is pretty dumb.

I play too much and could review a lot. It'd be great to make some side money playing games. But if narrating is a requirement, they can piss off. I have the skills to finish nearly all of the games I start. I'm not interested in throwing that away to cater to half-gamers, becoming some pretty little YT star in the process...

how in the fuck do you people tolerate kana?

seriously comes across as the annoying kid in every group of friends that nobody likes, but they just keep showing up.
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DPsx7 posted...

I ... could review a lot.

DPsx7 posted...

But if narrating is a requirement, they can piss off.

Do you even understand how video reviewing works

Chewster posted...

DPsx7 posted...

I ... could review a lot.

DPsx7 posted...

But if narrating is a requirement, they can piss off.

Do you even understand how video reviewing works

Yeah narrating wasn't the right word. Being on screen or focusing on commentary over a scripted review is a no no.

PaddysPub posted...

completely free to play, on every major console (PS4, XONE, Switch, iOS, PC, Mac), and is actually very polished.

shits gonna be around a whiiiiile.

Edit: I know that wasnt the question. Just saying, this aint a fad.

Fortnite(And BattleRoyale genre) is absolutely a fad, maybe even more so than Minecraft, being free doesn't change that. Minecraft is also still very popular among the pre/early teen range.
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DPsx7 posted...

They're all for kids

Youtube and Twitch are for kids, yet you take video games as seriously as you do. Something doesn't quite add up here...

DPsx7 posted...

I play too much and could review a lot.

You have opinions on a lot. There's a world of difference between having opinions and being able to effectively review stuff. Most of that difference boils down to being able to express those opinions cohesively and in a likable manner, meaning you and your "everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" personality might struggle with it.

DPsx7 posted...

I have the skills to finish nearly all of the games I start.

Oh man, this guy can finish games. Everybody watch out, us mere mortals can't handle that kind of skill.

Cruddy_horse posted...

PaddysPub posted...

completely free to play, on every major console (PS4, XONE, Switch, iOS, PC, Mac), and is actually very polished.

shits gonna be around a whiiiiile.

Edit: I know that wasnt the question. Just saying, this aint a fad.

Fortnite(And BattleRoyale genre) is absolutely a fad, maybe even more so than Minecraft, being free doesn't change that. Minecraft is also still very popular among the pre/early teen range.

It's a fad in the sense that it won't be a popular style of game forever, since you can only play/watch so much Battle Royale before it gets boring, but between the accessibility and the fact that it's just a solid game in its own right, Fortnite's dominance of the subgenre is likely to be around for as long as that subgenre is. To that end, dismissing Fortnite itself as "just a fad" is a little over-simplistic.
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Its the newest fad. Its kinda cool lookin what used to be cool. I happened to be thinking about then a few days later I see 2 videos talk about viral games. Who the hell knows what the next one will be.
Ass Eating Sim
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Troll_Police_ posted...

how in the fuck do you people tolerate DPs?

Fixed that for you.
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It took off because streaming is a well moderated system now and tied to your account with all your stuff on it. You can't hate on it in those forums. It's basically a dystopia where you are forced to feed into it positively.

Andromicus posted...

It's just a sign of the times, I don't get the appeal and I just wish we went back to real time strategy games, but that is an age long past

Hardcore pen an paper style RPGs. Was playing baulders gate 2 and just like, sigh.
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adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

They're all for kids

Youtube and Twitch are for kids, yet you take video games as seriously as you do. Something doesn't quite add up here...

DPsx7 posted...

I play too much and could review a lot.

You have opinions on a lot. There's a world of difference between having opinions and being able to effectively review stuff. Most of that difference boils down to being able to express those opinions cohesively and in a likable manner, meaning you and your "everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot" personality might struggle with it.

DPsx7 posted...

I have the skills to finish nearly all of the games I start.

Oh man, this guy can finish games. Everybody watch out, us mere mortals can't handle that kind of skill.

Cruddy_horse posted...

PaddysPub posted...

completely free to play, on every major console (PS4, XONE, Switch, iOS, PC, Mac), and is actually very polished.

shits gonna be around a whiiiiile.

Edit: I know that wasnt the question. Just saying, this aint a fad.

Fortnite(And BattleRoyale genre) is absolutely a fad, maybe even more so than Minecraft, being free doesn't change that. Minecraft is also still very popular among the pre/early teen range.

It's a fad in the sense that it won't be a popular style of game forever, since you can only play/watch so much Battle Royale before it gets boring, but between the accessibility and the fact that it's just a solid game in its own right, Fortnite's dominance of the subgenre is likely to be around for as long as that subgenre is. To that end, dismissing Fortnite itself as "just a fad" is a little over-simplistic.

Sure they are, at least in terms of streaming. Steam is the kiddiest crap out there.

Isn't a review more or less an opinion? You must be new to this.

It's true, so many people never finish games anymore. Short attention spans, quit when things get difficult, whatever. This is a large reason why I'm so far behind.

I'm sure it'll cool off eventually but agree BR is going to be a sub genre that won't completely disappear.

DPsx7 posted...

Sure they are, at least in terms of streaming.

What, you prefer more adult streaming sites? The adult streaming sites I can think of do have their merits, but I feel they serve a bit of a different purpose.

DPsx7 posted...

Isn't a review more or less an opinion?

At its core, yes. To turn an opinion into a review, though, you need to be able to express it in an informative and relatable manner. If all people get from your review is "I like this and if you disagree you're an idiot," it's not a very useful review, and nobody's going to pay much attention to you. If you wanted to be a successful reviewer, you'd need to change a lot about how you conduct yourself online to make yourself more likable.

DPsx7 posted...

It's true, so many people never finish games anymore. Short attention spans, quit when things get difficult, whatever.

I think that's more attention spans than skill, and even then not so much those attention spans being particularly short as the fact that there's so much other stuff coming out. Most games aren't that hard to finish, certainly not to the point where finishing most of what you start should be considered a mark of tremendous skill. That's mostly just a matter of committing yourself to finishing them.

I do agree that the stats for people finishing games are rather low, though. As much as you hate Steam, looking at its global achievement stats to see how far people get can be pretty interesting. In Borderlands 2, for example, only 33.1% of owners have completed the base game. The progression stats are interesting, too. Only 90% have completed the first mission, which takes like two minutes, which suggests that 10% haven't even played the game. And then only 80% have reached level 5, which is maybe another 15-20 minutes past that, so 10% of people lost interest in that time frame, which is really not a large window. And then it keeps dropping off fairly consistently over the course of the game, without any obvious pattern based on difficulty or story events, which suggests to me that people are just drifting away from it, rather than getting stuck somewhere.

That's not to say there aren't cases where it is difficulty, especially with games that have particularly hard bits, but I'm far more inclined to believe that it's much more often a matter of losing interest, rather than getting stuck.

funkyfritter posted...

Yes, it's the hot new game all the 10-14 year olds are playing.

Pretty much.

TES_Nut posted...

Andromicus posted...

It's just a sign of the times, I don't get the appeal and I just wish we went back to real time strategy games, but that is an age long past

Hardcore pen an paper style RPGs. Was playing baulders gate 2 and just like, sigh.

Hardcore? I mean its definitely more involving. Im running a star wars game and part of a pathfinder game. We all act like a bunch of idiots and for some fucking reason one of my friends wants to kill everyone
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_AdjI_ posted...

What, you prefer more adult streaming sites? The adult streaming sites I can think of do have their merits, but I feel they serve a bit of a different purpose.

At its core, yes. To turn an opinion into a review, though, you need to be able to express it in an informative and relatable manner. If all people get from your review is "I like this and if you disagree you're an idiot," it's not a very useful review, and nobody's going to pay much attention to you. If you wanted to be a successful reviewer, you'd need to change a lot about how you conduct yourself online to make yourself more likable.

I think that's more attention spans than skill, and even then not so much those attention spans being particularly short as the fact that there's so much other stuff coming out. Most games aren't that hard to finish, certainly not to the point where finishing most of what you start should be considered a mark of tremendous skill. That's mostly just a matter of committing yourself to finishing them.

I do agree that the stats for people finishing games are rather low, though. As much as you hate Steam, looking at its global achievement stats to see how far people get can be pretty interesting. (...)

That's not to say there aren't cases where it is difficulty, especially with games that have particularly hard bits, but I'm far more inclined to believe that it's much more often a matter of losing interest, rather than getting stuck.

I don't stream at all. This goes back to it being a different gen. I could do reviews but I'm not what they're looking for if they want a streaming celeb. Nor do I want that much attention. Followers become stalkers, you get locked into that social media shit... No thanks.

My method of writing when chatting isn't the same. If I'm dealing with a bunch of turds then I adjust accordingly. Reviews, reports, notes to tech support, yeah I use a different tone. I mean here we have a 'back and forth' progression to the posts. Who would I call an idiot in a general review? And who cares about likable? Don't we have a number of reviewers who created an angry persona?

About the whole finishing games thing I didn't say that to brag. My intent was more 'I played the whole thing to review fairly' compared to anyone who plays for an hour or two then leaves. Do streamers play entire games? Anything beyond an indie would be quite a marathon.

Very true, there IS too much being released. The good, is the variety. The bad, no time to play it all especially if you need to play what's popular at the moment. I'm already 2 years behind so what do I care what's new. I'll enjoy the current game and move along. Although with work it's not like I can play 8 hour sessions.

Skill is hard to judge because not everyone grew up with NES games. Megaman, Furi, Demon's Souls, even roguelikes are tough but fair for me. Some can't finish 'em. I dunno what's keeping gamers from seeing games through to the end but data from Steam or elsewhere says it's becoming more common.

This dumbass never ceases to amaze me with the stupid shit he posts.
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Blorfenburger posted...

TES_Nut posted...

Andromicus posted...

It's just a sign of the times, I don't get the appeal and I just wish we went back to real time strategy games, but that is an age long past

Hardcore pen an paper style RPGs. Was playing baulders gate 2 and just like, sigh.

Hardcore? I mean its definitely more involving. Im running a star wars game and part of a pathfinder game. We all act like a bunch of idiots and for some fucking reason one of my friends wants to kill everyone

Referring to video games. Actual table top games always devolve into "it's always sunny in the forgotten realms" that's my favorite part
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