Current Events > These 'downgrade' controversies from gamers have gotten really stupid

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Darmik 08/30/18 9:17:51 PM #1:	https://gamingbolt.com/god-of-war-principal-artist-addresses-downgrade-concerns http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/03/07/detroit-become-human-visual-downgrade-is-false/ Now we have this https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/9binvp/spiderman_graphics_comparison/ I think Watch Dogs has made people lose their minds or something. Like the downgrade for that game was evident as soon as they showed off gameplay. People also forget that Watch Dogs was revealed before the PS4 was even announced. The hardware wasn't locked down yet. It's different this far into the generation. YouTube quality videos always make games look worse and visuals can be significantly impacted by lighting. But yet this won't be the last time we see this style of controversy. And people wonder why CDProjektRED was hesitant to show Cyberpunk 2077. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907842136] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>https://gamingbolt.com/god-of-war-principal-artist-addresses-downgrade-concerns http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/03/07/detroit-become-human-visual-downgrade-is-false/ Now we have this https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/9binvp/spiderman_graphics_comparison/ I think Watch Dogs has made people lose their minds or something. Like the downgrade for that game was evident as soon as they showed off gameplay. People also forget that Watch Dogs was revealed before the PS4 was even announced. The hardware wasn't locked down yet. It's different this far into the generation. YouTube quality videos always make games look worse and visuals can be significantly impacted by lighting. But yet this won't be the last time we see this style of controversy. And people wonder why CDProjektRED was hesitant to show Cyberpunk 2077.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 08/30/18 9:26:43 PM #2:	The lighting downgrade looks awful. Why do they keeping showing graphics the console cant handle? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:907842622] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>The lighting downgrade looks awful. Why do they keeping showing graphics the console cant handle?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:32:32 PM #3:	refmon posted... The lighting downgrade looks awful. Why do they keeping showing graphics the console cant handle? There hasn't been a downgrade. This controversy will die when the game comes out just like the other examples in the OP. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907842952] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>refmon posted...</cite> <quote>The lighting downgrade looks awful. Why do they keeping showing graphics the console cant handle?</quote> There hasn't been a downgrade. This controversy will die when the game comes out just like the other examples in the OP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowplay 08/30/18 9:33:03 PM #4:	The higher graphics should at least be available for the proper platform. --- I make a topic in Final Fantasy 12 to ask if Tifa! They said no Tifa. Hardness gone!-gandob <cite>Shadowplay posted [p:907842984] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>The higher graphics should at least be available for the proper platform.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 08/30/18 9:34:03 PM #5:	It's not so much about the downgrades themselves it's the dishonest marketing that continues to plague games. Just be honest about what you're game will look like and play like. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Gkh_9hyi8 <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:907843025] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>It's not so much about the downgrades themselves it's the dishonest marketing that continues to plague games. Just be honest about what you're game will look like and play like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/30/18 9:34:36 PM #6:	Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:907843056] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:34:40 PM #7:	Shadowplay posted... The higher graphics should at least be available for the proper platform. They are Vyrulisse posted... It's not so much about the downgrades themselves it's the dishonest marketing that continues to plague games. Just be honest about what you're game will look like and play like. None of the marketing in any of the games listed were dishonest. God of War ended up looking better than the reveal. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907843059] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shadowplay posted...</cite> <quote>The higher graphics should at least be available for the proper platform.</quote> They are <cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>It's not so much about the downgrades themselves it's the dishonest marketing that continues to plague games. Just be honest about what you're game will look like and play like.</quote> None of the marketing in any of the games listed were dishonest. God of War ended up looking better than the reveal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 08/30/18 9:35:20 PM #8:	Darmik posted... Shadowplay posted... The higher graphics should at least be available for the proper platform. They are Vyrulisse posted... It's not so much about the downgrades themselves it's the dishonest marketing that continues to plague games. Just be honest about what you're game will look like and play like. None of the marketing in any of the games listed were dishonest. God of War ended up looking better than the reveal. Watch Dogs is the prime example. Spider-Man now. Say what you want it's a downgrade from what they showed previously. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Gkh_9hyi8 <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:907843099] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Shadowplay posted...</cite> <quote>The higher graphics should at least be available for the proper platform.</quote> They are <cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>It's not so much about the downgrades themselves it's the dishonest marketing that continues to plague games. Just be honest about what you're game will look like and play like.</quote> None of the marketing in any of the games listed were dishonest. God of War ended up looking better than the reveal.</quote> Watch Dogs is the prime example. Spider-Man now. Say what you want it's a downgrade from what they showed previously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:35:21 PM #9:	LightningAce11 posted... Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time. What trailers are you talking about? Which ones used ray tracing? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907843102] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time.</quote> What trailers are you talking about? Which ones used ray tracing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 08/30/18 9:36:01 PM #10:	Spiderman is very obviously downgraded. There's a thing where he flips off a building in a slow mo shot. In the bullshot the lighting was better, there was vapor effect from a pipe next to Spidey, there were a bunch of cars in motion, and a lot of trees. In the actual game the lighting is much blander, the particle effect cut out, no cars on the street, and less item density by a lot. It's crazy to me that people readily excuse this kind of thing. Just because the game isn't totally unplayable from the downgrade doesn't mean it's fucked up for companies to lie about their products in promotional material. People get really excited about graphical fidelity and little advances in tech and such. --- https://imgtc.com/i/FoEetUh.gif https://imgtc.com/i/oeysOEy.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:907843131] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Spiderman is very obviously downgraded. There's a thing where he flips off a building in a slow mo shot. In the bullshot the lighting was better, there was vapor effect from a pipe next to Spidey, there were a bunch of cars in motion, and a lot of trees. In the actual game the lighting is much blander, the particle effect cut out, no cars on the street, and less item density by a lot. It's crazy to me that people readily excuse this kind of thing. Just because the game isn't totally unplayable from the downgrade doesn't mean it's fucked up for companies to lie about their products in promotional material. People get really excited about graphical fidelity and little advances in tech and such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guerrilla Soldier 08/30/18 9:37:30 PM #11:	adjustments have to be made as the game gets closer to completion. people have to remember that early trailers are literally tiny pieces of the game, usually broken off from the actual full project, made to run in its own little environment. the small, private environment isn't affected by things that hinder a full game production. there are lots of things that can get in the way: the thousands of things that unlock in the early game that need to stick around toward the late game, network things that need to connect or be fed between servers, issues with certain textures/meshes/lighting pieces conflicting with other pieces, etc. unless people really just want the tiny little world that the trailer is in (no one does, not even for a demo), it's never going to completely reflect the final product. it's kinda ridiculous to expect anything else. the only TRUE problem is that these technical things aren't ever discussed or mentioned to the public, so the audience doesn't understand what's really going on; which makes sense, that's bad publicity. so instead they show something that's beautiful, and then give you a real full product that tries its best to meet those expectations while also giving you a billion more things that the trailer didn't hold but were promised. --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>Guerrilla Soldier posted [p:907843218] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>adjustments have to be made as the game gets closer to completion. people have to remember that early trailers are literally tiny pieces of the game, usually broken off from the actual full project, made to run in its own little environment. the small, private environment isn't affected by things that hinder a full game production. there are lots of things that can get in the way: the thousands of things that unlock in the early game that need to stick around toward the late game, network things that need to connect or be fed between servers, issues with certain textures/meshes/lighting pieces conflicting with other pieces, etc. unless people really just want the tiny little world that the trailer is in (no one does, not even for a demo), it's never going to completely reflect the final product. it's kinda ridiculous to expect anything else. the only TRUE problem is that these technical things aren't ever discussed or mentioned to the public, so the audience doesn't understand what's really going on; which makes sense, that's bad publicity. so instead they show something that's beautiful, and then give you a real full product that tries its best to meet those expectations while also giving you a billion more things that the trailer didn't hold but were promised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:37:40 PM #12:	Vyrulisse posted... Watch Dogs is the prime example. Spider-Man now. Say what you want it's a downgrade from what they showed previously. Watch Dogs was a legit downgrade. It was immediately noticeable as soon as they showed gameplay. I mentioned this already. Spider-man isn't. It's the same story as God of War and Detroit. People are doing 'spot the difference' with screenshots and misunderstanding why they look different. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907843229] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Watch Dogs is the prime example. Spider-Man now. Say what you want it's a downgrade from what they showed previously.</quote> Watch Dogs was a legit downgrade. It was immediately noticeable as soon as they showed gameplay. I mentioned this already. Spider-man isn't. It's the same story as God of War and Detroit. People are doing 'spot the difference' with screenshots and misunderstanding why they look different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/30/18 9:37:43 PM #13:	Darmik posted... LightningAce11 posted... Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time. What trailers are you talking about? Which ones used ray tracing? All of them. Ray tracing generates images by tracing the paths of light, which makes them look very good. You can't do that in real time as you're constantly moving in the game. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:907843235] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time.</quote> What trailers are you talking about? Which ones used ray tracing?</quote> All of them. Ray tracing generates images by tracing the paths of light, which makes them look very good. You can't do that in real time as you're constantly moving in the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:40:16 PM #14:	LightningAce11 posted... Darmik posted... LightningAce11 posted... Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time. What trailers are you talking about? Which ones used ray tracing? All of them. Ray tracing generates images by tracing the paths of light, which makes them look very good. You can't do that in real time as you're constantly moving in the game. Game trailers don't randomly add ray tracing to them. It's a new feature for the latest Nvidia graphics card. I'm guessing that's why this keeps getting brought up. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907843354] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Consoles can't handle the high quality ray tracing. E3 trailers look better because they've taken days to render. Consoles have to do it in real time.</quote> What trailers are you talking about? Which ones used ray tracing?</quote> All of them. Ray tracing generates images by tracing the paths of light, which makes them look very good. You can't do that in real time as you're constantly moving in the game.</quote> Game trailers don't randomly add ray tracing to them. It's a new feature for the latest Nvidia graphics card. I'm guessing that's why this keeps getting brought up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Scarecrow 08/30/18 9:41:20 PM #15:	Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man --- https://imgur.com/3Iqe55A <cite>The_Scarecrow posted [p:907843394] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote> Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 08/30/18 9:41:26 PM #16:	Ray Tracing is a meme at this point. In a year it may be commonplace but it'll be awhile before any real progress is made in that area (affordability being a huge factor). --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Gkh_9hyi8 <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:907843399] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Ray Tracing is a meme at this point. In a year it may be commonplace but it'll be awhile before any real progress is made in that area (affordability being a huge factor).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:44:17 PM #17:	The_Scarecrow posted... Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man What are the two videos these are lifted from? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907843552] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Scarecrow posted...</cite> <quote> Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man</quote> What are the two videos these are lifted from?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:45:48 PM #18:	Vyrulisse posted... Ray Tracing is a meme at this point. In a year it may be commonplace but it'll be awhile before any real progress is made in that area (affordability being a huge factor). There's a post with a lot of upvotes on the Reddit thread that says the E3 2018 demo looks better because it had ray tracing enabled. It doesn't even make any sense yet it has over 1,000 upvotes. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907843633] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Ray Tracing is a meme at this point. In a year it may be commonplace but it'll be awhile before any real progress is made in that area (affordability being a huge factor).</quote> There's a post with a lot of upvotes on the Reddit thread that says the E3 2018 demo looks better because it had ray tracing enabled. It doesn't even make any sense yet it has over 1,000 upvotes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 08/30/18 9:49:20 PM #19:	Nothing will ever top the Dark Souls 2 downgrade <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:907843818] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Nothing will ever top the Dark Souls 2 downgrade</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Scarecrow 08/30/18 9:53:58 PM #20:	Darmik posted... The_Scarecrow posted... Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man What are the two videos these are lifted from? Left is footage from E3 2016 trailer. Right is footage from Relationships trailer released 3 days ago. --- https://imgur.com/3Iqe55A <cite>The_Scarecrow posted [p:907844023] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Scarecrow posted...</cite> <quote> Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man</quote> What are the two videos these are lifted from?</quote> Left is footage from E3 2016 trailer. Right is footage from Relationships trailer released 3 days ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/30/18 9:55:59 PM #21:	People literally still think graphics are important in 2018 --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:907844119] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>People literally still think graphics are important in 2018</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X-Pac_Heat 08/30/18 9:57:16 PM #22:	My only issue with the puddles being gone is that in videos there are still splash effects when he lands in the spots without puddles. <cite>X-Pac_Heat posted [p:907844175] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>My only issue with the puddles being gone is that in videos there are still splash effects when he lands in the spots without puddles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 9:58:02 PM #23:	The_Scarecrow posted... Darmik posted... The_Scarecrow posted... Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man What are the two videos these are lifted from? Left is footage from E3 2016 trailer. Right is footage from Relationships trailer released 3 days ago. That one is more likely since that trailer is a year older and a lot earlier. Reddit is focusing on the puddle in the E3 demo. Even then the biggest downgrade is probably less traffic. I'm sure we've seen gameplay with the lighting on the left recently. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907844211] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Scarecrow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Scarecrow posted...</cite> <quote> Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man</quote> What are the two videos these are lifted from?</quote> Left is footage from E3 2016 trailer. Right is footage from Relationships trailer released 3 days ago.</quote> That one is more likely since that trailer is a year older and a lot earlier. Reddit is focusing on the puddle in the E3 demo. Even then the biggest downgrade is probably less traffic. I'm sure we've seen gameplay with the lighting on the left recently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Swagnificent119 08/30/18 10:01:37 PM #24:	Darmik wouldn't defend this if it was an Xbox exclusive. --- https://imgur.com/VQfjsWf <cite>Swagnificent119 posted [p:907844378] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Darmik wouldn't defend this if it was an Xbox exclusive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 10:09:12 PM #25:	Swagnificent119 posted... Darmik wouldn't defend this if it was an Xbox exclusive. I really don't understand why people think I hate Xbox games lol --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907844725] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Swagnificent119 posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik wouldn't defend this if it was an Xbox exclusive.</quote> I really don't understand why people think I hate Xbox games lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 10:38:02 PM #26:	https://abload.de/img/s5kd8a.gif Game looks better here --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907846140] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>https://abload.de/img/s5kd8a.gif Game looks better here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 08/30/18 10:45:10 PM #27:	Still haven't forgot Ubisoft showing Assassin's Creed Unity running at a stable 30 FPS before launch when in reality it took 7 GB of patches and the fucking Xbox One X to finally achieve that. --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:907846461] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Still haven't forgot Ubisoft showing Assassin's Creed Unity running at a stable 30 FPS before launch when in reality it took 7 GB of patches and the fucking Xbox One X to finally achieve that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/30/18 10:46:44 PM #28:	If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:907846532] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 08/30/18 10:47:38 PM #29:	DarthAragorn posted... If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded But then what else would Sony fanboys have to look forward to besides early Destiny 2 DLC --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:907846580] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded</quote> But then what else would Sony fanboys have to look forward to besides early Destiny 2 DLC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/30/18 10:54:03 PM #30:	AvantgardeAClue posted... Still haven't forgot Ubisoft showing Assassin's Creed Unity running at a stable 30 FPS before launch when in reality it took 7 GB of patches and the fucking Xbox One X to finally achieve that. It was stable on PC years before that lol DarthAragorn posted... If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded That's the point though. God of War and Detroit weren't downgraded and I'm not convinced Spider-man has been either. People are freaking out over a puddle and Spider-man doesn't look like he's wearing shiny latex anymore. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907846862] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>Still haven't forgot Ubisoft showing Assassin's Creed Unity running at a stable 30 FPS before launch when in reality it took 7 GB of patches and the fucking Xbox One X to finally achieve that.</quote> It was stable on PC years before that lol <cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded</quote> That's the point though. God of War and Detroit weren't downgraded and I'm not convinced Spider-man has been either. People are freaking out over a puddle and Spider-man doesn't look like he's wearing shiny latex anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/30/18 10:57:27 PM #31:	Yeah it doesn't look like a downgrade lol Or at any rate it doesn't look like anything to raise a fuss over --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:907847018] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it doesn't look like a downgrade lol Or at any rate it doesn't look like anything to raise a fuss over</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/30/18 11:00:02 PM #32:	DarthAragorn posted... If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded Then we're back to "can it run Crysys?" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:907847141] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>If this game was on the superior platform of PC then it wouldn't need to be downgraded</quote> Then we're back to "can it run Crysys?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 08/30/18 11:08:43 PM #33:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... Nothing will ever top the Dark Souls 2 downgrade This still makes me mad as fuck --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:907847541] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing will ever top the Dark Souls 2 downgrade</quote> This still makes me mad as fuck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 08/30/18 11:16:26 PM #34:	Imagine still caring about graphics in games. --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:907847903] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Imagine still caring about graphics in games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 08/31/18 12:23:56 AM #35:	What the fuck is "ray tracing" The_Scarecrow posted... Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man I refuse to believe the one on the left is real. Looks like a goddamn movie. --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:907850878] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is "ray tracing" <cite>The_Scarecrow posted...</cite> <quote> Downgrade confirmed for Spider-Man</quote> I refuse to believe the one on the left is real. Looks like a goddamn movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 08/31/18 12:33:10 AM #36:	it's less about how the game itself looks and more that they're generating false marketing hype by showing one thing and then quietly scaling back when that one thing won't run above 10fps on a console i doubt people would have had an issue with how the game looks if it was presented in its current form in trailers and at tradeshows <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:907851275] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>it's less about how the game itself looks and more that they're generating false marketing hype by showing one thing and then quietly scaling back when that one thing won't run above 10fps on a console i doubt people would have had an issue with how the game looks if it was presented in its current form in trailers and at tradeshows</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/31/18 12:35:13 AM #37:	Kaiganeer posted... it's less about how the game itself looks and more that they're generating false marketing hype by showing one thing and then quietly scaling back when that one thing won't run above 10fps on a console i doubt people would have had an issue with how the game looks if it was presented in its current form in trailers and at tradeshows Things change as development goes on. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to look different when it releases. Some things might look worse but others could look better. The point of this topic is that it's being assumed that's the case when it isn't. Neither God of War or Detroit got downgraded and it got the same controversy. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907851353] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kaiganeer posted...</cite> <quote>it's less about how the game itself looks and more that they're generating false marketing hype by showing one thing and then quietly scaling back when that one thing won't run above 10fps on a console i doubt people would have had an issue with how the game looks if it was presented in its current form in trailers and at tradeshows</quote> Things change as development goes on. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to look different when it releases. Some things might look worse but others could look better. The point of this topic is that it's being assumed that's the case when it isn't. Neither God of War or Detroit got downgraded and it got the same controversy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 08/31/18 12:42:07 AM #38:	Lol "false advertising." <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:907851622] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Lol "false advertising."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dib153 08/31/18 12:43:04 AM #39:	Ubisoft has always used tech demos that are vastly Superior to the finished product. Watch dogs, the division, assassin's Creed...I think For Honor might be the only game that didn't, but it was still plagued with a plethora of issues at launch --- "Dib is my new hero. Epic insult man, epic to the max" ~ Drakona <cite>dib153 posted [p:907851656] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Ubisoft has always used tech demos that are vastly Superior to the finished product. Watch dogs, the division, assassin's Creed...I think For Honor might be the only game that didn't, but it was still plagued with a plethora of issues at launch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/31/18 12:51:37 AM #40:	A lot of the games that actually did get downgraded severely were early in the generation. Watch Dogs, The Division, Dark Souls 2, Forza 5 etc. As disappointing as it is it makes sense though. These games were guessing what next gen consoles would be using high end PC hardware. It was a transitional period. It's also why performance was also worse than it is now. It'll happen again next gen. It is odd how these controversies in the last couple of years tend to be PS4 exclusives. I wonder if the PS4 streaming quality has anything to do with it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907851939] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>A lot of the games that actually did get downgraded severely were early in the generation. Watch Dogs, The Division, Dark Souls 2, Forza 5 etc. As disappointing as it is it makes sense though. These games were guessing what next gen consoles would be using high end PC hardware. It was a transitional period. It's also why performance was also worse than it is now. It'll happen again next gen. It is odd how these controversies in the last couple of years tend to be PS4 exclusives. I wonder if the PS4 streaming quality has anything to do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/31/18 2:01:45 AM #41:	There are more puddles in other gameplay videos lol --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:907854184] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote> There are more puddles in other gameplay videos lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/31/18 3:00:18 AM #42:	Dark Souls 2 was last gen, until SotFS --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:907855730] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Dark Souls 2 was last gen, until SotFS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/31/18 8:43:02 AM #43:	Darmik posted... There are more puddles in other gameplay videos lol "There's your precious puddles" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:907862641] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> There are more puddles in other gameplay videos lol</quote> "There's your precious puddles"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlecSkorpio 08/31/18 8:47:58 AM #44:	Have they actually stated what the differences are with the PS4 Pro version yet? Cause like...what if there are more puddles when playing on a PS4 Pro and less when playing on a standard? Or something like that? --- https://imgtc.com/i/XLz4tpM.jpg <cite>AlecSkorpio posted [p:907862763] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>Have they actually stated what the differences are with the PS4 Pro version yet? Cause like...what if there are more puddles when playing on a PS4 Pro and less when playing on a standard? Or something like that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 08/31/18 8:49:34 AM #45:	They shrank Samus's boobs! <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:907862813] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>They shrank Samus's boobs!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 08/31/18 8:54:50 AM #46:	Damn_Underscore posted... People literally still think graphics are important in 2018 NinjaWarrior455 posted... Imagine still caring about graphics in games. It's not necessarily so much about the graphics as it is the doubts that formulate as a result of misleading marketing. Like, if they took the time to lie about how bullets interact with the environment, what else have they lied about? --- FFXIV: Herzog Erislieb (Cactaur) \| ESO: @Ultima_Vyse RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/99 FISH/ 97/99 Cooking <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:907862969] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>People literally still think graphics are important in 2018</quote> <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine still caring about graphics in games.</quote> It's not necessarily so much about the graphics as it is the doubts that formulate as a result of misleading marketing. Like, if they took the time to lie about how bullets interact with the environment, what else have they lied about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/31/18 8:56:58 AM #47:	E3 demos are almost always shown on PC since they're the only platform strong enough to handle it. The paperweight PS4s can't even produce an extra puddle. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:907863048] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>E3 demos are almost always shown on PC since they're the only platform strong enough to handle it. The paperweight PS4s can't even produce an extra puddle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/31/18 8:57:47 AM #48:	Skye Reynolds posted... They shrank Samus's boobs! Muscular Zero Suit Samus > Big Boob Zero Suit Samus --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:907863079] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote><cite>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>They shrank Samus's boobs!</quote> Muscular Zero Suit Samus > Big Boob Zero Suit Samus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 08/31/18 9:21:53 AM #49:	This is a symptom of some of the greater problems of the video game industry. The two greatest players here being runaway AAA budgets and revealing games way too early --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. Now Playing: Rainbow 6: Siege, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros 4 (3DS) WarioWare Gold <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:907863859] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>This is a symptom of some of the greater problems of the video game industry. The two greatest players here being runaway AAA budgets and revealing games way too early</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/31/18 9:41:24 AM #50:	I don't know why you guys are focusing so much on the missing puddle when there's tons of other downgrades related to lighting, shaders, dof, tesselation, and the textures on Spider-Man's suit. The puddle is the most obvious change but deleting the puddle material isn't a graphics downgrade on its own any more than deleting a tree from Skyrim. The downgrade is the fact that everything else also looks worse. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:907864528] in These 'dow... [t:76952489]...</cite> <quote>I don't know why you guys are focusing so much on the missing puddle when there's tons of other downgrades related to lighting, shaders, dof, tesselation, and the textures on Spider-Man's suit. The puddle is the most obvious change but deleting the puddle material isn't a graphics downgrade on its own any more than deleting a tree from Skyrim. The downgrade is the fact that everything else also looks worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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