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LightHawKnight
08/31/18 9:45:42 AM
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Wasn't there a video of a guy whining for 10 minutes with no gameplay footage?
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08/31/18 9:50:30 AM
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Questionmarktarius
08/31/18 10:08:17 AM
#53:


Blue_Target posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNter0oEYxc" data-time="

In quite a few of these, the contrast and gamma have been tweaked to make things more visible.
It doesn't matter how "pretty" your game is with its gritty lighting and awesome shadows, if you can't see what you're fucking doing when playing the game.
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 10:13:35 AM
#54:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Blue_Target posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNter0oEYxc" data-time="

In quite a few of these, the contrast and gamma have been tweaked to make things more visible.
It doesn't matter how "pretty" your game is with its gritty lighting and awesome shadows, if you can't see what you're fucking doing when playing the game.

Please stop Sony's colon can online handle so much nose.
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eston
08/31/18 10:14:32 AM
#55:


I don't ever expect the finished game to look like the hype demos that come out months or years in advance. Those things aren't running the same amount of stuff and don't have the same limitations. Often times they're only an approximation of what the dev team is trying to go for.
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 10:15:01 AM
#56:


eston posted...
I don't ever expect the finished game to look like the hype demos that come out months or years in advance. Those things aren't running the same amount of stuff and don't have the same limitations. Often times they're only an approximation of what the dev team is trying to go for.

They are lying to you
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l Dudeboy l
08/31/18 10:16:35 AM
#57:


The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.
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Swagnificent119
08/31/18 10:20:37 AM
#58:


l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


The thing is, this used to mean gameplay things could change, or even that the graphics would get better.

Now it pretty much only means shit isn't going to look as good.

How much fucking money is wasted making things look that good only to not use it?
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 10:21:02 AM
#59:


l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


More like

"This is still in production (on high end gaming PCs that cost thousands of dollars), and can (will definitely) change (always for the worse) from the final release (on a playstation and not the platform you're watching the footage from right now)"
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l Dudeboy l
08/31/18 10:23:02 AM
#60:


Tyranthraxus posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


More like

"This is still in production (on high end gaming PCs that cost thousands of dollars), and can (will definitely) change (always for the worse) from the final release (on a playstation and not the platform you're watching the footage from right now)"


Yes, pretty much. And then people whine that the final release looks different from a two year old trailer rendered on a pc.
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Youngster_Joey_
08/31/18 10:32:36 AM
#61:


Reminder that not only did this get a downgrade, but it still won't be able to hit 60fps or hit 4K on a PS4 Pro.
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Hexenherz
08/31/18 11:41:38 AM
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Alexanaxela
08/31/18 11:47:29 AM
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not enough water

7.8/10
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DarthAragorn
08/31/18 2:18:40 PM
#64:


Swagnificent119 posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


The thing is, this used to mean gameplay things could change, or even that the graphics would get better.

Now it pretty much only means shit isn't going to look as good.

How much fucking money is wasted making things look that good only to not use it?

Yeah I remember when early looks at games were actually unpolished alpha builds instead of overly polished bullshit builds
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 2:45:46 PM
#65:


DarthAragorn posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


The thing is, this used to mean gameplay things could change, or even that the graphics would get better.

Now it pretty much only means shit isn't going to look as good.

How much fucking money is wasted making things look that good only to not use it?

Yeah I remember when early looks at games were actually unpolished alpha builds instead of overly polished bullshit builds


Yeah it still happens. Just not with Sony exclusive games. Sony is the only company that lies like this.
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DarthAragorn
08/31/18 3:20:57 PM
#66:


Tyranthraxus posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


The thing is, this used to mean gameplay things could change, or even that the graphics would get better.

Now it pretty much only means shit isn't going to look as good.

How much fucking money is wasted making things look that good only to not use it?

Yeah I remember when early looks at games were actually unpolished alpha builds instead of overly polished bullshit builds


Yeah it still happens. Just not with Sony exclusive games. Sony is the only company that lies like this.

I think Ubisoft has actually been pretty great lately but they've definitely done this a lot
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 3:23:53 PM
#67:


DarthAragorn posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
l Dudeboy l posted...
The problem I find is that people will watch trailers that clearly state something along the lines of "This is still in production, and can change from the final release" at the start of the trailer, but then people disregard that entirely and expect exactly the game showed in the trailer.


The thing is, this used to mean gameplay things could change, or even that the graphics would get better.

Now it pretty much only means shit isn't going to look as good.

How much fucking money is wasted making things look that good only to not use it?

Yeah I remember when early looks at games were actually unpolished alpha builds instead of overly polished bullshit builds


Yeah it still happens. Just not with Sony exclusive games. Sony is the only company that lies like this.

I think Ubisoft has actually been pretty great lately but they've definitely done this a lot

That was predominantly with Watch Dogs. They don't do that kind of thing with their other games. Far Cry for the most part looks okay. Assassin's Creed is famous for graphical glitches but what they show is still pretty close to what you get.

They also down graded the division but Ubi is still nowhere near as bad about it as Sony is. Every 1st party AAA game ends up being a complete lie.
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DarthAragorn
08/31/18 3:24:50 PM
#68:


Rainbow Six Siege did too iirc

Definitely in terms of gameplay, I swear I remember there being mechanics shown in the reveal that are nowhere to be found in the game
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Samurontai
08/31/18 3:29:46 PM
#69:


Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Reminder that not only did this get a downgrade, but it still won't be able to hit 60fps or hit 4K on a PS4 Pro.


There wasnt any downgrade
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RoboLaserGandhi
08/31/18 4:54:12 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
They shrank Samus's boobs!

Muscular Zero Suit Samus > Big Boob Zero Suit Samus

Muscle girls are gross
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 6:40:35 PM
#71:


Samurontai posted...
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Reminder that not only did this get a downgrade, but it still won't be able to hit 60fps or hit 4K on a PS4 Pro.


There wasnt any downgrade

There absolutely was, they're just claiming it's actually an upgrade

Bright sunlight causes concrete to blow out and look bright. Plus our post effects ( DOF and motion blur tech in particular) are way better in 2018, which causes stuff to be blurrier when pulled like that, but that's because it's supposed to look good IN MOTION

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DarthAragorn
08/31/18 6:44:08 PM
#72:


That's unfortunate because DoF and motion blur are bullshit that I prefer to turn off.
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hockeybub89
08/31/18 6:44:45 PM
#73:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Every 1st party AAA game ends up being a complete lie.

What were the lies about God of War, The Last of Us, Uncharted 4, Horizon, Infamous Second Son?
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 7:18:53 PM
#74:


hockeybub89 posted...
Uncharted 4

Not going to address all of these but Uncharted has always received downgrades. They also shitcanned their 60fps plan.
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Darmik
08/31/18 7:28:40 PM
#75:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Samurontai posted...
Youngster_Joey_ posted...
Reminder that not only did this get a downgrade, but it still won't be able to hit 60fps or hit 4K on a PS4 Pro.


There wasnt any downgrade

There absolutely was, they're just claiming it's actually an upgrade

Bright sunlight causes concrete to blow out and look bright. Plus our post effects ( DOF and motion blur tech in particular) are way better in 2018, which causes stuff to be blurrier when pulled like that, but that's because it's supposed to look good IN MOTION


But that's absolutely correct. The game looks more like the E3 demo during the sunset.
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Questionmarktarius
08/31/18 7:55:42 PM
#76:


Darmik posted...
But that's absolutely correct. The game looks more like the E3 demo during the sunset.

Which comes right back to this point:

Questionmarktarius posted...
It doesn't matter how "pretty" your game is with its gritty lighting and awesome shadows, if you can't see what you're fucking doing when playing the game.
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Skye Reynolds
08/31/18 8:08:02 PM
#77:


Doom_Art posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
They shrank Samus's boobs!

Muscular Zero Suit Samus > Big Boob Zero Suit Samus


If they want to go for empowerment, put her back in the Robocop suit.
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SwayM
08/31/18 8:43:31 PM
#78:


Proving once again gamers are the most entitled people on the planet.
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Irony
08/31/18 8:44:22 PM
#79:


Puddlegate
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Tryhaptaward
08/31/18 8:45:41 PM
#80:


How about they not waste all that time and effort in rendering a super trailer/demo and instead focus on the final playable product?
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Tyranthraxus
08/31/18 10:22:51 PM
#81:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Darmik posted...
But that's absolutely correct. The game looks more like the E3 demo during the sunset.

Which comes right back to this point:

Questionmarktarius posted...
It doesn't matter how "pretty" your game is with its gritty lighting and awesome shadows, if you can't see what you're fucking doing when playing the game.

Don't fucking show me a trailer that you know to be false. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.

If you know the game needs more contrast and more gamma and less textures to be playable, then show me that. If you want to make a cinematic trailer, make one.

Don't edit footage of the game together with cinematic post processing and then tell me it's all in engine if you're going to fucking cut it ahead of time and you already know it.
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ToPoPO
08/31/18 10:33:07 PM
#82:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Darmik posted...
But that's absolutely correct. The game looks more like the E3 demo during the sunset.

Which comes right back to this point:

Questionmarktarius posted...
It doesn't matter how "pretty" your game is with its gritty lighting and awesome shadows, if you can't see what you're fucking doing when playing the game.

Don't fucking show me a trailer that you know to be false. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.

If you know the game needs more contrast and more gamma and less textures to be playable, then show me that. If you want to make a cinematic trailer, make one.

Don't edit footage of the game together with cinematic post processing and then tell me it's all in engine if you're going to fucking cut it ahead of time and you already know it.


According to TC and others, we should just be content and expect downgrades!!!

No wonder people think gamers are a joke, they always have these people defending their shit practices

Don't even get me started on the shithole that is mobile gaming and what people pay for on there
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SwayM
08/31/18 11:07:39 PM
#83:


There should be no world where awful opinions like this are ever given the time of day

imagine you go to a dinner party and the meal comes and its so good that literally people cannot stop taking about how delicious it is and lengths the people who must have worked on it went to.

But theres one jackass goes out of his way to insult it based on the most minuscule complaint.

In the real world that doesnt fly because people people know that kind of behaviour is unneceptable.

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Dragonblade01
08/31/18 11:17:19 PM
#84:


If the game still looks good, then the fuss is all over nothing. Not to mention that they are still showing you the final product before its launch, so it's not like they falsely advertised the game.
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dave_is_slick
08/31/18 11:25:04 PM
#85:


Doom_Art posted...
Muscular Zero Suit Samus > Big Boob Zero Suit Samus

Gonna have to disagree here AND point out that the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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Zodd3224
08/31/18 11:35:11 PM
#86:


Games like Killzone 2, Aliens: Colonial Marines, and Dark Souls 2 looked and played completely differently than was promised from pre release videos.
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Tyranthraxus
09/01/18 11:11:05 AM
#87:


SwayM posted...
There should be no world where awful opinions like this are ever given the time of day

imagine you go to a dinner party and the meal comes and its so good that literally people cannot stop taking about how delicious it is and lengths the people who must have worked on it went to.

But theres one jackass goes out of his way to insult it based on the most minuscule complaint.

In the real world that doesnt fly because people people know that kind of behaviour is unneceptable.

But on the internet we entertain idiots like that on the daily.

I don't know what world you live in but people mercilessly ridicule fast food restaurants all the time for serving you a burger that looks nothing like the photo on the menu.
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SwayM
09/01/18 4:02:07 PM
#88:


I dont know how you could miss the point harder than you just did.
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Tyranthraxus
09/01/18 4:52:26 PM
#89:


SwayM posted...
I dont know how you could miss the point harder than you just did.

There's no use trying to talk sense into a Sony fanboy.
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SwayM
09/01/18 5:07:26 PM
#90:


Oof.

Imagine a desperate hail mary throw, in the complete wrong direction.
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dave_is_slick
09/01/18 5:08:03 PM
#91:


SwayM posted...
Oof.

Imagine a desperate hail mary throw, in the complete wrong direction.

So your posts then.
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SwayM
09/01/18 5:10:49 PM
#92:


Oh davey

Maybe if you just learned how to argue you wouldn't be so salty all the time.
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Darmik
09/02/18 10:37:16 PM
#93:


Bioware are making fun of the puddle controversy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQph-_imtDY" data-time="

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Darkninja42
09/02/18 10:43:26 PM
#94:


What was the deal with Dark Souls 2? I don't remember hearing about that.
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Zodd3224
09/03/18 7:56:19 AM
#95:


Darkninja42 posted...
What was the deal with Dark Souls 2? I don't remember hearing about that.


Skip to 2 minutes in and he breaks down demo vs final release visuals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOmWf4oSav8" data-time="

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Tryhaptaward
09/03/18 11:03:15 AM
#96:


Zodd3224 posted...
Darkninja42 posted...
What was the deal with Dark Souls 2? I don't remember hearing about that.


Skip to 2 minutes in and he breaks down demo vs final release visuals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOmWf4oSav8" data-time="


Wow, that's ridiculous, Dark Souls 2 would've been so fucking amazing if released as that demo

I dislike From Software more and more nowadays, especially with their Dark Souls Remastered crap for PC
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Zodd3224
09/03/18 1:02:17 PM
#97:


Tryhaptaward posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Darkninja42 posted...
What was the deal with Dark Souls 2? I don't remember hearing about that.


Skip to 2 minutes in and he breaks down demo vs final release visuals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOmWf4oSav8" data-time="


Wow, that's ridiculous, Dark Souls 2 would've been so fucking amazing if released as that demo

I dislike From Software more and more nowadays, especially with their Dark Souls Remastered crap for PC


You think thats bad? Check this shit out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z2qVebxlUo" data-time="

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Zodd3224
09/03/18 1:05:30 PM
#98:


^there is a coulple times in the Aliens video where they got the "demo" and "final" labels backwards
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