Poll of the Day > If you had to pick between giving Trump another term as president or Obama one..

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CarefreeDude
08/10/18 5:20:16 PM
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Who would you pick? - Results (19 votes)
Obama
63.16% (12 votes)
12
Trump
36.84% (7 votes)
7
Just curious (yes I know Obama can't serve another term)
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ClarkDuke
08/10/18 5:25:09 PM
#2:


I'll give up a testicle if it meant avoiding another Trump term, ok?
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FourthDimension
08/10/18 5:30:59 PM
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Trump is a pos, but we have term limits for a reason.
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Zeus
08/10/18 6:13:29 PM
#4:


Trump, obviously. While Trump has by no means been a great president, I fundamentally disagree with Obama's overly generous social welfare programs that have served to gut America's spirit of rugged independence and self-determinism. Otherwise both are hawks so it's a draw there.
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Mead
08/10/18 6:16:28 PM
#5:


Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?
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Nichtcrawler X
08/10/18 6:18:18 PM
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Considering I am an European Socialist, my answer should be obvious.
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Zeus
08/10/18 6:23:31 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?


You constantly troll with these claims despite the fact that I've been a constant critic of the death penalty, an advocate for criminal justice reform, a proponent of education reform, an enemy of the surveillance state (which made your claim or belief that I worked for the NSA even weirder), etc. In fact, once you exclude bullshit SJW topics and entitlement spending (which tie into my libertarian leanings, which you *always* overlook when citing my compass results), I've probably advocated more overt-left causes than overt-right causes. Unlike the board's far-left and far-right extremists, I tend to be pragmatic on issues.
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RedPixel
08/10/18 6:25:28 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?

"Leftists" today are far from intelligent. You can be truly liberal and not be an Obama slurper.
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Mead
08/10/18 6:29:04 PM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?


You constantly troll with these claims despite the fact that I've been a constant critic of the death penalty, an advocate for criminal justice reform, a proponent of education reform, an enemy of the surveillance state (which made your claim or belief that I worked for the NSA even weirder), etc. In fact, once you exclude bullshit SJW topics and entitlement spending (which tie into my libertarian leanings, which you *always* overlook when citing my compass results), I've probably advocated more overt-left causes than overt-right causes. Unlike the board's far-left and far-right extremists, I tend to be pragmatic on issues.


Me asking you a genuine question is far from trolling.
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VeeVees
08/10/18 6:30:59 PM
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Trump is a total joke, so him. It's pretty funny.
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streamofthesky
08/10/18 6:43:14 PM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?


You constantly troll with these claims despite the fact that I've been a constant critic of the death penalty, an advocate for criminal justice reform, a proponent of education reform, an enemy of the surveillance state (which made your claim or belief that I worked for the NSA even weirder), etc. In fact, once you exclude bullshit SJW topics and entitlement spending (which tie into my libertarian leanings, which you *always* overlook when citing my compass results), I've probably advocated more overt-left causes than overt-right causes. Unlike the board's far-left and far-right extremists, I tend to be pragmatic on issues.

Death penalty: granted
Criminal justice reform: don't recall anything from you on that other than our shared view that white women get lighter sentences than others
Education reform: An issue both sides talk up, though more often by the right since they have more complaints about teachers/schools. Which side you fall on depends on your ideas for the "reform." Plenty of right-wingers want to reform it by privatizing more, rely heavier on standardized testing, making it easier to fire teachers, etc...
Surveillance state: honestly being against it is more of a right-wing anti-government position than left-wing today; the stereotypical liberal who likes "Big Government" and wants it to solve problems should be ok w/ surveillance programs

Libertarian on economic issues is completely right-wing. It's on the social issues (which is where you're not libertarian) that they share ground w/ the left.

I agree you're far more pragmatic on issues than most other right-wing posters, other than your odd obsession w/ defending Trump all the time. But you're not a center leftist, lol
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green dragon
08/10/18 6:53:04 PM
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Obama, just to see that fall out of having a president serve three terms in the modern era
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Metal_Mario99
08/10/18 6:53:42 PM
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I love the way Trump gives you all the vapors, so him.
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ClarkDuke
08/12/18 3:55:22 AM
#14:


@Zeus posted...
Unlike the board's far-left and far-right extremists, I tend to be pragmatic on issues.

"Pragmatic", doesn't mean what you think it means, ok?

The word you're looking for is "erratic", ok?
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Zeus
08/12/18 4:20:39 AM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?


You constantly troll with these claims despite the fact that I've been a constant critic of the death penalty, an advocate for criminal justice reform, a proponent of education reform, an enemy of the surveillance state (which made your claim or belief that I worked for the NSA even weirder), etc. In fact, once you exclude bullshit SJW topics and entitlement spending (which tie into my libertarian leanings, which you *always* overlook when citing my compass results), I've probably advocated more overt-left causes than overt-right causes. Unlike the board's far-left and far-right extremists, I tend to be pragmatic on issues.


Me asking you a genuine question is far from trolling.


You repeatedly asking this question with the implication that I'm not is, though.

streamofthesky posted...
Criminal justice reform: don't recall anything from you on that other than our shared view that white women get lighter sentences than others


Given how many times you've criticized me for suggesting things like shorter sentences, I find this claim surprising.

streamofthesky posted...
Surveillance state: honestly being against it is more of a right-wing anti-government position than left-wing today; the stereotypical liberal who likes "Big Government" and wants it to solve problems should be ok w/ surveillance programs


Such as those darn conservative organizations like the ACLU, right? You're probably one of the few liberals who seems to both support the surveillance state and believe that there's a good deal of support for it -- granted, you get people paying lip service because they support the Democrats complicit in these policies (coincidentally, it's yet another reason why I don't like partisan politics) --but that's less a matter of your liberal leanings and more your statist leanings. Statism isn't inherently a leftist position any more than libertarian is inherently a conservative one.
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Zeus
08/12/18 4:21:47 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Libertarian on economic issues is completely right-wing. It's on the social issues (which is where you're not libertarian) that they share ground w/ the left.


No, it's really not. You're conflating liberalism with authoritarianism and statism.

streamofthesky posted...
I agree you're far more pragmatic on issues than most other right-wing posters, other than your odd obsession w/ defending Trump all the time.


Pointing out that a claim is wrong isn't the same thing as actually defending somebody. And if somebody else would criticize outrageous hyperbolic claims -- for example, somebody who nitpicks other things but only when it suits his politics and social beliefs -- I would be less involved.

streamofthesky posted...
But you're not a center leftist, lol


lol indeed because you keep misrepresenting what I say and then say I'm not that thing you pretend I claimed to be. Well, if you aren't saying what I am, of course I'm not going to be that. Left-leaning centrist is near the middle. A center leftist is along the center of leftist policies. Not that the political spectrum is particularly meaningful to you since you don't view Bernie Sanders as an extreme.
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TheCyborgNinja
08/12/18 6:21:08 AM
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Obama. He's not my favourite, but at least he's not just a more incompetent, less powerful version of Hitler.
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GRTooCool
08/12/18 6:34:49 AM
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VeeVees posted...
Trump is a total joke, so him. It's pretty funny.


That's pretty much why he won some states. I'm sure there are people like you who think it's hilarious so they voted for him.
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Nade Duck
08/12/18 7:03:45 AM
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based on their views, obama.

the way this country is lately though pretty sure we'd go to war over it.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/12/18 7:04:11 AM
#20:


Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?

To be fair, I usually come across like a really reactionary Conservative in political topics on this board, but that's mostly because when you're trying to play Devil's Advocate/be a contrarian and most of the people on the board skew more towards the lunatic fringe of the Left, you're going to start looking Far Right just by virtue of comparison.

Conversely, I used to hang out with a few AnCaps back in the day, and by comparison I came across as being the Leftist Lefty who ever Lefted.

I wouldn't call myself a pure Centrist (I probably do skew slightly more Right than Left), but I also fall pretty comfortably on the "liberal" side of any number of social issues. Enough that I wouldn't refer to myself as a Conservative in the political sense (I'd probably refer to myself more as a libertarian, but that's kind of been tainted as a label by American politics and the Internet in general as well).

But I'll happily shit on both Republicans and Democrats, because I don't think either adequately represent their implied constituency, do an effective job of achieving their claimed goals, or otherwise do anything other than militantly defend party politics over functional efficacy. Because of how two-party politics in a media age work, both have skewed more to the extremist outlier beliefs of their far wings, leaving a massive gap in the center where most of the actual population falls, leaving them to choose between the lesser of two evils every election.

Yet I still wind up taking the Right/Republican side more (as least via implication) on this board, because most of the people here who still bother bringing up politics at all are usually fellating the shit out of Democrats or bashing Republicans in general as if they're the sole problem, which sort of puts me in the position of having to point out that the Democrats also suck.

For all that people bitch and whine about Trump being President, it never would have happened if the Democrats had actually had a worthwhile candidate of their own and hadn't run Hillary against him. Be the change you want to see in the world, stop complaining about what "THE ENEMY" is doing and just be better.

Then all the actual Centrists can flock to your side and support you, and we can all dismiss the far-Right and the far-Left as being equally insane, and not constantly have to have dickwaving contests over whose side is better.


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Mead
08/12/18 7:24:25 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus can you think of a time that youve expressed a left leaning opinion on this board?

To be fair



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Keebs05
08/12/18 9:54:03 AM
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Trump for the simple fact that he makes having a Twitter account worth it.
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Star_Spirit
08/12/18 10:29:56 AM
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lol look at all those people who want to destroy the environment. a third of the community
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BADoglick
08/12/18 11:15:22 AM
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The only difference between the two is that Obama got a Nobel prize for all the kids he murdered with drone strikes
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DarkMinun
08/12/18 12:59:10 PM
#25:


ClarkDuke posted...
@Zeus posted...
Unlike the board's far-left and far-right extremists, I tend to be pragmatic on issues.

"Pragmatic", doesn't mean what you think it means, ok?

The word you're looking for is "erratic", ok?


There is no Left in America. The democrats are so far right that they would be ridiculed as fascists in any modern first world country.
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Troll_Police_
08/12/18 1:01:35 PM
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fuck man, that is a tough choice. i dont think i would ever vote for either one of them.
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Tails 64
08/12/18 3:53:41 PM
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I would go with Obama, no question. Trump doesn't need to be in the White House to be a blowhard on Twitter.
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Kyuubi4269
08/12/18 4:36:38 PM
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Star_Spirit posted...
lol look at all those people who want to destroy the environment. a third of the community

We just don't like you guys. Spite is an amazing motivator.
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Mead
08/12/18 4:47:08 PM
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You repeatedly asking this question with the implication that I'm not is, though.


I was legit curious. There was no implication intended.
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GanglyKhan
08/12/18 5:18:54 PM
#30:


BADoglick posted...
The only difference between the two is that Obama got a Nobel prize for all the kids he murdered with drone strikes

A lot worse than carpet bombing entire cities in the 40s, that's for sure.
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peanutt121
08/12/18 6:09:40 PM
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Either choice would motivate my purchase of a sniper rifle. Or a walk deep into the New Hampshire wilderness until I died.
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kukukupo
08/12/18 6:13:56 PM
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Not sure I'd want either.

I know it isn't popular - but I would give George Bush a 3rd term before I would give Obama one.
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Decoy77
08/12/18 7:07:00 PM
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Well I mean Trump is going to already get another so do you mean a 3rd? Because that would be great.

And look at all these parents basement dwellers voting for the 8 year disaster to try and destroy the country even more.
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