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Ahh crap I never asked Sultan about the guys I scanned. Thought I had but I must have mixed him and Dumey up.
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Puns is the only one who agrees as strongly as me that Sultan fake claiming BG is impossible. And even with the theory that he's scum doc, it still makes BG a fake claim.
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Plus I can't afford to be wrong about another player this game. My town MVP medals slipping away :|
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Hey Zach - why didn't you shoot me day 1? If I am your top Scum read now, then it makes zero sense for you to have shot Corrik over me.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Plus I can't afford to be wrong about another player this game. My town MVP medals slipping away :|

How much do *you* care about endgame voting
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##unvote
##Vote: Panth

Cool. Nice scanning PJ/Sheep

I was going to come in and mention the votals are so spread apart this late in the day, and I think that Panth is the right call
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benjamin3740 posted...

Puns is the only one who agrees as strongly as me that Sultan fake claiming BG is impossible. And even with the theory that he's scum doc, it still makes BG a fake claim.

I don't think it's impossible. I can definitely see him fakeclaiming, most noobs aren't as awful with claims as people think imo. I'm inclined to believe him because of the setup to it, and so I'd rather go for you or Red today instead. Seems like everyone disappeared again though, which is disappointing so close to deadline.
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Well that sheep claim does affect my thoughts on who to lynch today. Maybe it's panth after all.

Oh hey people turned up while I was typing and reading back.

Really not sure about the Panth voting, Tange. I'm alright with the lynch but it just feels lazy to vote him with that little comment on everything that happened since your last post. We have the time to press some other people, and if they satisfy us we can just hurry it up and pile on Panth.
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Why do we trust Zach?

His reasoning for staying on Zam after his claim is literal bullshit.
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My initial thought is plum was either cop or vig

More likely cop (ignoring my thoughts on pj/sheep, I just mean kinda based on Leo's behavior

ScareChan posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Plus I can't afford to be wrong about another player this game. My town MVP medals slipping away :|

How much do *you* care about endgame voting

A lot! But maybe moreso getting to judge others than being ranked myself. I haven't had an opportunity yet to do anything fun anyway
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Oh guys

because I put Han in my scum list

I guess the claws are coming out.

Han you've literally been wrong on every single one of your reads so far.

In retrospect I should have shot you N1. I chose Corrik instead. But if you want to challenge why eaed is town and why a bunch of other people are town, fine.

I'm sorry I had the balls to stay on zam after his flimsy claim. But Corrik was confused too, so maybe you're like him. Maybe.

Sheep007 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Puns is the only one who agrees as strongly as me that Sultan fake claiming BG is impossible. And even with the theory that he's scum doc, it still makes BG a fake claim.

I don't think it's impossible. I can definitely see him fakeclaiming, most noobs aren't as awful with claims as people think imo. I'm inclined to believe him because of the setup to it, and so I'd rather go for you or Red today instead. Seems like everyone disappeared again though, which is disappointing so close to deadline.

But that's the thing. This IS an awful fake claim if it's fake. Even moreso if Sultan is scum doctor. All of my thoughts hinge on it being too bad for scum to even come up with. Especially so early on with nothing prodding it on
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I'm not usually the one to say this, but with this much claimed power and a good chunk of the game overall claimed already, we should probably consider a mass tomorrow, especially if we kill roleblocker today.

ColZach posted...

Oh guys

because I put Han in my scum list

I guess the claws are coming out.

Han you've literally been wrong on every single one of your reads so far.

In retrospect I should have shot you N1. I chose Corrik instead. But if you want to challenge why eaed is town and why a bunch of other people are town, fine.

I'm sorry I had the balls to stay on zam after his flimsy claim. But Corrik was confused too, so maybe you're like him. Maybe.

I was JUST going to say that your posts at the beginning of D2 looked like a confused noob who didn't understand why his vig target wasn't dead. But really, 'confused noob' has been all your posts so far.

It's too bad you didn't shoot me N1. If you are Town, then maybe your ego wouldn't be so high with my death on your conscience.

We have a lot of people popping up after these claims to vote Panth - any reason why people are choosing him over Sultan?
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Plum was cop, Leo knew it was safe, but also knew outright claiming cop with an innocent scan to start day 2 makes no sense, so he just played the part. That's why he didn't go through with it, because he knew it wasn't worth it because of how many people thought he was scum already.

Death was in tune with this, earlier today saying he just assumed Leo would claim plum's role but not considering Panth had already claimed jack before that. It's a suspicious insight from death.

Could the team be Sheep, Death, red, Panth?

Crescent-Moon posted...

I'm not usually the one to say this, but with this much claimed power and a good chunk of the game overall claimed already, we should probably consider a mass tomorrow, especially if we kill roleblocker today.

Totally agree with this. A mass almost certainly benefits Town. Would have liked it today but it's almost certainly too late.
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Also, being able to bg yourself.. Why would you even have the thought? Even if you could it's do nothing.

benjamin3740 posted...

Clutch save last night.

This would be bad, but... is this Ben trying to out protection, knowing that a Scum shot onto Corrik failed?
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Also it's probably too early to get too caught up in Plum conspiracy theories.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Clutch save last night.

This would be bad, but... is this Ben trying to out protection, knowing that a Scum shot onto Corrik failed?

I did ponder the possibility of Zach being a second scumkill that got blocked, but again, probably too early for going off the deep end.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also it's probably too early to get too caught up in Plum conspiracy theories.

When is it no longer too early?

Crescent-Moon posted...

Also it's probably too early to get too caught up in Plum conspiracy theories.

I think Pun's scenario will be proven wrong soon anyway. Realistically, either me or Tony will have to remain unblocked tonight, or I'll be killed and Tony is blocked. If Tony dies and I'm blocked, we kill Sultan. If neither me or Tony dies, one of us can scan. Anyway, as a result either my scans are confirmed, Sultan is confirmed Scum, or one of us can get another scan off.
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Goddamn, I got pulled away at work like literally one minute before the same time claim. I had so much anticipation built up.

Night actions are gonna be SPICY.

Though Town Vig into confirmed protected role could really just be a flavorful Vanilla claim. I am wary about the complete lack of Vanilla claims thus far.
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Good afternoon, I see we have Sheep now. Sheep are nice. Not as nice as goats, who aren't as nice as cats, but nice nonetheless.

So first off, I still like the idea of lynching IGCD. Han brings up that it wouldn't make sense with me being town since he voted for Leo instead of me, but really, that would be an easy time to vote a teammate just to look good if he eventually flipped, since it looked like I would be lynched regardless. IGCD I don't think made a serious effort to get Leo lynched or anything, he just put the vote there when he knew it was highly unlikely to matter. Further, look at his posting and you see that despite making a big deal of how he needs stuff to happen to get him motivated, all he really does is float around the periphery, sound a bit more energetic when he's defending himself, and then...nothing comes of it. He's not making a serious effort to get involved in scum hunting. Feels like scum.

You know Zach, I kind of assumed when you hinted at your role that you would claim vig...expecting you to say you shot me last night and thus believed Eaed protected me with his jailkeep. Instead, you say you shot claimed protection night 1. Vig shot. Night 1. Claimed protection. This is probably too insane to be made up.

So with Zach's claim seeming true, scum having protection is more reasonable as people point out, which suggests Sultan. Although I still find it weird his team would suggest he fake claim second bodyguard, I guess they wouldn't want him to claim doc because then it would be harder to justify why he survives any given night (plus full time doc alongside bodyguard, jailkeeper and jack with doc might be a bit suspicious), but it still raises the question of why he'd claim protection at all. I really want to know what people think the thought process is for scum Sultan to claim that, either on his own initiative or at the advice of his team, because I'm struggling to piece it together.

Sheep scanning MZero/Tange innocent is nice, MZero felt town to me already last night, Tange I've been on the fence about. If one is godfather it would be Tange but we're not going godfather hunting now or hopefully ever. Bit unsure about why PJ would play the way he did as cop but if Sheep were scum he'd be putting an expiry date on himself with this claim that would have to get him shot eventually, so I'm comfortably buying it for now.

Han gets a town point in my mind when he was trying to figure out what scum role I could be that targeted Tony and suggested framer. It's so obviously wrong (no one would cop scan the obvious watcher) that I think he'd realize as scum it didn't make sense, more likely to be a mistake made in the course of genuine speculation.

So anyway, IGCD is where I want to go today. Red is still a solid option for his super lackluster content, I'm just a bit paranoid with him that the lack of anyone really speaking up against lynching him might mean scum is okay with it happening. I would be up for lynching Sultan *if* there's a good reason to think he would claim second bodyguard as scum protection, but not without that, and so far my thought process is that it's very weird to fake. His behavior has felt scummy but the claim gives me pause, it might be too weird to not be true.

I feel like someone asked me something at some point but I can't remember who, so if someone did please remind me.
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Was trying to get the just and vote before I leave

I am town body guard if that wast clear

Also I guess I'm going to vote ##vote:panthe
Would vote red but looks like we are going panthe
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Was trying to get the just and vote before I leave

I am town body guard if that wast clear

Also I guess I'm going to vote ##vote:panthe
Would vote red but looks like we are going panthe

WHy did you think you could Bodygaurd yourself? And then you asked the host if you could?
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ColZach posted...

Han you've literally been wrong on every single one of your reads so far.

Which reads have I been wrong on so far, Zach?
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Ben are you bulletproof
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Personally I'd still rather just lynch Red, though I think at least one power claim is probably lying.

Probably Panthera or Sultan would be one, yes.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

ColZach posted...

Oh guys

because I put Han in my scum list

I guess the claws are coming out.

Han you've literally been wrong on every single one of your reads so far.

In retrospect I should have shot you N1. I chose Corrik instead. But if you want to challenge why eaed is town and why a bunch of other people are town, fine.

I'm sorry I had the balls to stay on zam after his flimsy claim. But Corrik was confused too, so maybe you're like him. Maybe.

I was JUST going to say that your posts at the beginning of D2 looked like a confused noob who didn't understand why his vig target wasn't dead. But really, 'confused noob' has been all your posts so far.

It's too bad you didn't shoot me N1. If you are Town, then maybe your ego wouldn't be so high with my death on your conscience.

We have a lot of people popping up after these claims to vote Panth - any reason why people are choosing him over Sultan?

This 'confused noob' has gotten most of his reads right. How is your track record this game? Defending Zam, defending Leo, arguing with a innocent scan.

##vote: Han

Sultan fell out of my scum read list, but Han is still fresh. I feel like we should do what we talked about today and let Panth try and get his mason off, and if there's any funny business we make him tomorrow's lynch.

Also, given the whole 'leave power alive' thing (and this is going to look really shitty if Panth pops up as Scum), but I thought most people wanted to leave Panth alive? If he is Town, he can confirm himself with, say, FD, then he has what, a roleblock? Can take a lucky potshot at a claimed vanilla to try to block a kill, at least.

So many people have said Red is Scummy. I want to lynch Red. For Rik.
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ScareChan posted...

Ben are you bulletproof

No
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Panthera posted...

You know Zach, I kind of assumed when you hinted at your role that you would claim vig...expecting you to say you shot me last night and thus believed Eaed protected me with his jailkeep. Instead, you say you shot claimed protection night 1. Vig shot. Night 1. Claimed protection. This is probably too insane to be made up.

This kind of lines up with what I was saying about a flavorful Vanilla claim. Unless he was just going for the hero play on Corrik, it's a horrendously bad shot to take N1.
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I dunno Zach, just really seems like a perspective slip where you've confirmed the people I've argued with are actually Town.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Was trying to get the just and vote before I leave

I am town body guard if that wast clear

Also I guess I'm going to vote ##vote:panthe
Would vote red but looks like we are going panthe

This entire post reeks.

About to get swarmed by people by the way

Perspective slip.

Haha.

That's good, it is. There better be a topic on the scumboard with that title.

Crescent-Moon posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Was trying to get the just and vote before I leave

I am town body guard if that wast clear

Also I guess I'm going to vote ##vote:panthe
Would vote red but looks like we are going panthe

This entire post reeks.

About to get swarmed by people by the way

i also wanted to note this did seem like an easy post from Sultan, sliding out of trouble.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, given the whole 'leave power alive' thing (and this is going to look really shitty if Panth pops up as Scum), but I thought most people wanted to leave Panth alive? If he is Town, he can confirm himself with, say, FD, then he has what, a roleblock? Can take a lucky potshot at a claimed vanilla to try to block a kill, at least.

So many people have said Red is Scummy. I want to lynch Red. For Rik.

I want to lynch Red too. Though one of Panth and Sultan is certainly scum.
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##Unvote

I'm STILL trying to read through Han/IGCD. But taking my vote off for the moment as people are piling on to trains.
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And Sultan why did you assume you were forced to move each night?
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Actually, I like my plan, thinking about it. Basically guarantees a minimum of one scan/scum, assuming nothing really unexpected comes into play. Let's keep Sultan alive for today.

Also, I have one more thing to ask - what reason does Zach have to claim Vig, under this scenario, as scum? There's already a lot of power claims, it basically confirms Ed, and any suspicion there was an extra kill wasn't really aimed at him, so it's not a potential defence for anything.

Panth, I can say with certainty that's typical God behaviour. He doesn't tend to get animated until he's challenged on a read, or about himself. That's just how he plays, which often makes him look bad and therefore can be an easy mislynch for scum, particularly early. I want more from him, but I lean Town.

I really don't like the fact that people are trying to drive today between Panth and Sultan. They're both probably going to be confirmable tonight, so I say we keep them both alive.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

Nobody seemed to care about joining me on Ben, so I think I'd like to jump to Red who seems to be the best alternative to Sultan/Panth.
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Sheep007 posted...

Also, I have one more thing to ask - what reason does Zach have to claim Vig, under this scenario, as scum? There's already a lot of power claims, it basically confirms Ed, and any suspicion there was an extra kill wasn't really aimed at him, so it's not a potential defence for anything.

I guess the assumption would be that we have no reason to disbelieve Eaed, and like others have said, it's a glorified vanilla claim.

THAT SAID I think I have an inherent bias that keeps pestering me to look for something in ColZach. Or maybe I'm just right about him and he's having a gigglefit about how I keep looking away. Regardless...

##Vote: Red
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Zach do you have any argument about Han that isn't "you don't know for sure who is scum, must be scum" because I'm not seeing it. And as far as bragging goes if you're town vig and you seriously shot the claimed bodyguard night 1, you do not have bragging rights in this game, my friend.

Han I'm not seeing who he's calling town that he doesn't have solid reason to as town (Eaed, MZero I believe he's referencing with the innocent scancomment). Saying "every read is wrong" is hyperbolic in a way that specifying players isn't, and the ones he specified he seems to have reason to believe. The rest strikes me as more trash talk than knowledge.
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I'm gonna not look at the game while I watch the season finale of the show I'm watching, so I'll be back in roughly 45 minutes.
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We need votals updated
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##unvote
##vote: red

In line with wanting to lynch unclaimed/unscanned, also widely suspected, also hasn't contributed much. Why not at this point.

Bad news, it's looking like I won't be around for deadline. My wife signed up for a bingo shift to help pay for our son's hockey but she injured her back and has sciatic nerve damage, so I offered to work it instead. It runs from 7-11 est. I might be able to sneak away here and there but I likely won't be caught up and will be posting on the fly.
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Panthera posted...

Han I'm not seeing who he's calling town that he doesn't have solid reason to as town (Eaed, MZero I believe he's referencing with the innocent scancomment). Saying "every read is wrong" is hyperbolic in a way that specifying players isn't, and the ones he specified he seems to have reason to believe. The rest strikes me as more trash talk than knowledge.

It is more likely to be trash talk, I agree. But if it's not and I keep pestering him, maybe one time he does slip up the truth.
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