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HanOfTheNekos
08/10/18 3:28:27 PM
#201:


EDumey posted...
I strongly doubt Panthera and Scare are both scum together. That would be the worst bussing in Mafia history. Taking someone with relatively zero bad standing to full lynch status directly after a scum lynch? It just doesn't happen. Maybe greatest betrayal of all time if it worked, but it's just dumb.

Also I find it interesting that several people have pointed out Eaed may not be Jailkeeper. I have problems with Sultan/Panthera, and I think claiming Jailkeeper at the time Eaed did would be INCREDIBLY ballsy as scum, but the lack of extra night kills actually makes me wary. Would a scum team with no extra night kills be balanced if Town protection only had roles that sacrificed themselves like multiple BGs?

Though one of the people bringing this up was Tange. Again highly doubt Tange and Eaed could be scum together in that situation. Definitely feel more comfortable looking between Sultan/Panthera, but Eaed is maybe not as confirmed as people are treating him.


Eaed as Scum basically confirms that Tony is Scum though. Or that Scum have two RB's.

Corrik and Tony were both RB'd night 1, and we know Corrik is Town.

turbopuns2 posted...
I mean honestly Han, what should I say? I think we just agree. It's not that surprising, is it?


I also said that MZero's responses to me made me feel that he was being genuine and not faking suspicion on me (please go read our back-and-forth).

I also pointed out that, during day 2, IGCD specifically voted for Leo first, ahead of Panth. If Panth is Town, then IGCD would not have done that as Scum.
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:28:43 PM
#202:


ColZach posted...
Sheep youre making me not want to same time claim as you

Yo even if you think he's scum you should be happy to get his claim out. Isn't claiming what you make scum do?
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:29:19 PM
#203:


EDumey posted...
I can't think of a single valid town reason for why a claim would be acceptable during twilight and not during day. Either you're okay with giving info before night actions or you're not. That statement really impliee that you think your claim might get you lynched.

Quick wall of text I was typing up when I missed Zach not being here.

I made a quick-fire decision as soon as I got the PM not to claim, and not to give in to the inevitable pressure at the start. I also wanted to claim in Twilight to give Scum a dilemma during the night, since my claim doesn't really give us a direction to push our lynch anyway. They effectively would have to risk killing me, or blocking me and leaving Tony alive (one of which they still likely will have to do if they don't want to be utterly screwed). This plan was also before I realized Zach was claiming power as well.

One of my particular ways of thinking was if God was scum, I think I would have been completely ignored, since I have a tendency to fakeclaim nilla as Town Power, and vice versa. This might incline him to suggest ignoring me completely which would help me get another scan off. Although I'm actually unsure, on reflection, if God had joined during the time I was notorious for fakeclaims anyway.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:29:45 PM
#204:


htaeD posted...
ScareChan posted...
ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...
Same specifics as Corriks claim then.
I find it weird that Corrik had to specify that anyway.


Corrik said he did not have to use it


Thats what I meant.
But I have never seen a compulsibe BG to begin with.


But that's not what sultan said

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
htaeD posted...
Another question Sultan. Forgive me if this was answered before.

Do you HAVE to bodyguard someone?


I think that's how it works also I found out you can't bodyguard yourself

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HanOfTheNekos
08/10/18 3:31:16 PM
#205:


Sheep007 posted...
One of my particular ways of thinking was if God was scum, I think I would have been completely ignored, since I have a tendency to fakeclaim nilla as Town Power, and vice versa. This might incline him to suggest ignoring me completely which would help me get another scan off. Although I'm actually unsure, on reflection, if God had joined during the time I was notorious for fakeclaims anyway.


Do you really think IGCD is that likely to be Scum?
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ColZach
08/10/18 3:31:50 PM
#206:


X:35

Cause Im already late
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:32:02 PM
#207:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Do you really think IGCD is that likely to be Scum?

I'm currently leaning Town on him, but I think if I was completely ignored at night after the claim, it'd be very likely that he was scum.
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:32:24 PM
#208:


X:35 it is. Be there, lads.
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ColZach
08/10/18 3:33:29 PM
#209:


benjamin3740 posted...
ColZach posted...
Sheep youre making me not want to same time claim as you

Yo even if you think he's scum you should be happy to get his claim out. Isn't claiming what you make scum do?


Good point. Im hyped up. Sirens and everything. Get ready for it cause when this beat drops itll be nuts
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htaeD
08/10/18 3:33:39 PM
#210:


ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...
ScareChan posted...
ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...
Same specifics as Corriks claim then.
I find it weird that Corrik had to specify that anyway.


Corrik said he did not have to use it


Thats what I meant.
But I have never seen a compulsibe BG to begin with.


But that's not what sultan said

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
htaeD posted...
Another question Sultan. Forgive me if this was answered before.

Do you HAVE to bodyguard someone?


I think that's how it works also I found out you can't bodyguard yourself


Oh. I misread Sultans post...
Interesting if he has to guard someone.
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turbopuns2
08/10/18 3:34:18 PM
#211:


Hype
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IfGodCouldDie
08/10/18 3:34:26 PM
#212:


Less than 1 minute
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:34:58 PM
#213:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Sheep007 posted...
I feel like there's tons of power claims in this game. Is this normal for a Chris game? Because I don't believe that all of our power has claimed yet either. However, it's very difficult to believe Ed is scum unless he's with Tony, and that's just a bit too big of a gambit for me to believe they'd take. I believe Sultan too, the claim just seems too genuine and was clearly preplanned if it was from scum, something I don't really see him doing. If I was going to pick one to lynch, it would definitely be Panth, but again as someone else pointed out I don't see any other scum role visiting Tony. There's also FD and I imagine at least one other.


Youve already softclaimed as Im concerned.

After refusing to claim here, if you end up claiming something with might actions we could use, youre going straight to the top of the scumlist, just so were clear.


Look at Tony paying attention and critical thinking . Good job Tony keep it up man
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:35:02 PM
#214:


As I said earlier, I'm All the Way by Eddie Vedder

I'm the Cop. N1, PJ scanned Mzero innocent, and N2 Tange innocent.
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ColZach
08/10/18 3:35:20 PM
#215:


Okay guys. I know eaed is at least true on saying hes jailman. Because night 1 I was bloodthirsty and out for pain, so I took a shot at CORRIK!

Gasp!!!

So Im claiming

INDEPENDENT DJ FLIP HOP!!!!

Jk Im the Town Vig and Im useless now but I know eaed wasnt lying about his role
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ColZach
08/10/18 3:36:10 PM
#216:


Oh and Im pop-u-lar
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:36:18 PM
#217:


Also I didnt expect pj place for *that* reason

Remember everyone its fuck off not fuck you
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:36:38 PM
#218:


...well Zach's claim was disappointing and slightly anticlimactic. Still, at least that's presumably all the power claims out. Thoughts?
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htaeD
08/10/18 3:36:46 PM
#219:


Sheep007 posted...
As I said earlier, I'm All the Way by Eddie Vedder

I'm the Cop. N1, PJ scanned Mzero innocent, and N2 Tange innocent.


Okay
wow
That is VERY useful information, if true.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:37:19 PM
#220:


Oh cool so sultan is scum bg
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HanOfTheNekos
08/10/18 3:37:28 PM
#221:


ColZach posted...
Oh and Im pop-u-lar


I know about pop-u-u-lar.

Hey Ben, are you actually dayvig?
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htaeD
08/10/18 3:37:30 PM
#222:


ColZach posted...
Okay guys. I know eaed is at least true on saying hes jailman. Because night 1 I was bloodthirsty and out for pain, so I took a shot at CORRIK!

Gasp!!!

So Im claiming

INDEPENDENT DJ FLIP HOP!!!!

Jk Im the Town Vig and Im useless now but I know eaed wasnt lying about his role


This claim I like much less
Except it gives weight to scum having protection!

Need to think on this, while I watch some legendary defenders

brb
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:37:37 PM
#223:


Those are my kind of scans. GOod job PJ. AM i allowed to vote him town mvp?
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:38:29 PM
#224:


I wanted to keep it til tomorrow for a while because I thought if I could get another scan off on someone like Ben, Death, or Dumey, that was basically the game right there. However, it still really narrows down our options and hopefully means at least one of me or Tony gets the scan off tonight.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:38:30 PM
#225:


Sheep007 posted...
...well Zach's claim was disappointing and slightly anticlimactic. Still, at least that's presumably all the power claims out. Thoughts?


No that is good because it means sultan is scum
Also

Why would a bodyguard ask if they could protect themselves if they actually read how the role works
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:38:44 PM
#226:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
Oh and Im pop-u-lar


I know about pop-u-u-lar.

Hey Ben, are you actually dayvig?

No
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IfGodCouldDie
08/10/18 3:38:45 PM
#227:


ColZach posted...
Okay guys. I know eaed is at least true on saying hes jailman. Because night 1 I was bloodthirsty and out for pain, so I took a shot at CORRIK!

Gasp!!!

So Im claiming

INDEPENDENT DJ FLIP HOP!!!!

Jk Im the Town Vig and Im useless now but I know eaed wasnt lying about his role

So what you are saying is that you took your shot, got roleblocked and now no longer have a shot?
##Unvote
##Vote:Panth

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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:39:07 PM
#228:


Can someone go and see if sheeps scans line up with pj posts
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:39:42 PM
#229:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
ColZach posted...
Okay guys. I know eaed is at least true on saying hes jailman. Because night 1 I was bloodthirsty and out for pain, so I took a shot at CORRIK!

Gasp!!!

So Im claiming

INDEPENDENT DJ FLIP HOP!!!!

Jk Im the Town Vig and Im useless now but I know eaed wasnt lying about his role

So what you are saying is that you took your shot, got roleblocked and now no longer have a shot?
##Unvote
##Vote:Panth


No he is saying eaed saved corrik because he tried to shoot him
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IfGodCouldDie
08/10/18 3:40:54 PM
#230:


ScareChan posted...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
ColZach posted...
Okay guys. I know eaed is at least true on saying hes jailman. Because night 1 I was bloodthirsty and out for pain, so I took a shot at CORRIK!

Gasp!!!

So Im claiming

INDEPENDENT DJ FLIP HOP!!!!

Jk Im the Town Vig and Im useless now but I know eaed wasnt lying about his role

So what you are saying is that you took your shot, got roleblocked and now no longer have a shot?
##Unvote
##Vote:Panth


No he is saying eaed saved corrik because he tried to shoot him

Oh, yea. I forgot Corrik got jailed.

##Unvote
##Vote:Sultan


Might as well lynch the scum bg.
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red13n
08/10/18 3:41:49 PM
#231:


ScareChan posted...
Oh cool so sultan is scum bg


do you mean scumdoctor?

because scum BG is inherently worthless.
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ColZach
08/10/18 3:43:01 PM
#232:


Yes, that is why I am considering eaed confirmed. I shot at Corrik, my shot was processed, but he did not die.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:43:26 PM
#233:


ScareChan posted...
Sheep007 posted...
...well Zach's claim was disappointing and slightly anticlimactic. Still, at least that's presumably all the power claims out. Thoughts?


No that is good because it means sultan is scum
Also

Why would a bodyguard ask if they could protect themselves if they actually read how the role works


And my logic train here is as scum he is told he can save any of his scummates and he asks if he can use it on himself to clarify it without thinking

Because why would town who sees his role for the first time and it says you die instead of them think hey can I save myself
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:44:25 PM
#234:


red13n posted...
ScareChan posted...
Oh cool so sultan is scum bg


do you mean scumdoctor?

because scum BG is inherently worthless.


That makes more sense especially with him asking about self protection

I was one step away there thank you
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:44:30 PM
#235:


What makes you think Sultan claimed his real scum role? Why isnt Panth the scum protection you're looking for?

I know that he said he thinks he has to bodyguard every night, but the guy said HE THINKS, which is probably just him not thinking at all
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:45:22 PM
#236:


benjamin3740 posted...
Those are my kind of scans. GOod job PJ. AM i allowed to vote him town mvp?

Yeah when I saw the PM, since I was watching the game throughout I was pretty delighted. Three of my 6-7 scum picks were basically shown to be Town by me, right there. I wouldn't be shocked if one of MZero or Tange was a Godfather but we can definitely deal with that if we get there (which we hopefully will not).

This, along with Zach's claim leaves, to me...

Red
Ben
Sultan
Panth
God
Han
Death
Dumey
Crescent

As the 9 which we should be picking all of our remaining lynches from, in descending order of how much I want to kill them.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:45:36 PM
#237:


benjamin3740 posted...
What makes you think Sultan claimed his real scum role? Why isnt Panth the scum protection you're looking for?

I know that he said he thinks he has to bodyguard every night, but the guy said HE THINKS, which is probably just him not thinking at all


He clarified if he could target himself

Why would a bodyguard check that
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:46:00 PM
#238:


ScareChan posted...
ScareChan posted...
Sheep007 posted...
...well Zach's claim was disappointing and slightly anticlimactic. Still, at least that's presumably all the power claims out. Thoughts?


No that is good because it means sultan is scum
Also

Why would a bodyguard ask if they could protect themselves if they actually read how the role works


And my logic train here is as scum he is told he can save any of his scummates and he asks if he can use it on himself to clarify it without thinking

Because why would town who sees his role for the first time and it says you die instead of them think hey can I save myself

Maybe. I have no idea why he would ask that.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:46:49 PM
#239:


If one is godfather I would say tange because inno scam giving him confidence to say scummon and what not on himself to get a scan on him
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red13n
08/10/18 3:46:58 PM
#240:


ScareChan posted...
red13n posted...
ScareChan posted...
Oh cool so sultan is scum bg


do you mean scumdoctor?

because scum BG is inherently worthless.


That makes more sense especially with him asking about self protection

I was one step away there thank you


i was confused becasue scum BG you just protect scum, die, immediately the vig just goes "hey scum BG protected X" and then you literally just gave 2 for 1. Its counterproductive even.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:47:43 PM
#241:


And yeah scum doctor makes more sense because scum bodyguard basically gives you 2 scum for the price of one
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:48:09 PM
#242:


Ninja with the same thing
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HanOfTheNekos
08/10/18 3:48:09 PM
#243:


benjamin3740 posted...
If Panth comes in tomorrow saying he roleblocked someone I kill him instantly, jut warning you Panth

benjamin3740 posted...
He can mason me. I promise I won't kill him <3 At least, not during the night.

benjamin3740 posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
Oh and Im pop-u-lar


I know about pop-u-u-lar.

Hey Ben, are you actually dayvig?

No


Borrrrrring
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ColZach
08/10/18 3:48:10 PM
#244:


He asked if he could target himself?

Ahhhh....

Thats not a good look. Not at all. My top 3 scum reads right now are as followed in any order

Han
Red
Sultan
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:49:26 PM
#245:


If we hit blocker today its potentially game winning based on potential scans and confirms
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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:49:49 PM
#246:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
If Panth comes in tomorrow saying he roleblocked someone I kill him instantly, jut warning you Panth

benjamin3740 posted...
He can mason me. I promise I won't kill him <3 At least, not during the night.

benjamin3740 posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
ColZach posted...
Oh and Im pop-u-lar


I know about pop-u-u-lar.

Hey Ben, are you actually dayvig?

No


Borrrrrring

Oh. Lol sorry for teasing you, I didnt even know I was doing it.
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ScareChan
08/10/18 3:50:15 PM
#247:


Zach

ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...
ScareChan posted...
ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...
Same specifics as Corriks claim then.
I find it weird that Corrik had to specify that anyway.


Corrik said he did not have to use it


Thats what I meant.
But I have never seen a compulsibe BG to begin with.


But that's not what sultan said

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
htaeD posted...
Another question Sultan. Forgive me if this was answered before.

Do you HAVE to bodyguard someone?


I think that's how it works also I found out you can't bodyguard yourself

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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:50:42 PM
#248:


ScareChan posted...
If one is godfather I would say tange because inno scam giving him confidence to say scummon and what not on himself to get a scan on him

Yeah I would definitely lean more towards Tange as well, I'm pretty sold on MZero. Like I said though, should be our last option by quite some distance.

Can we start putting the pressure on Ben/Red now? There's disappointingly few votes out there in general.

Also, I'm going to bring back some of the posts from just after I replaced in, in light of these reveals, for you guys to pick at.
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Sheep007
08/10/18 3:52:15 PM
#249:


EDumey posted...
I posted shortly after MZero and Han's bout. I mentioned a little bit of a paranoia about how it felt like scum had noticed me as a easy misdirect, and Han mentioned that as well. So my town surivival instint makes me immediately agree with Han. However, I'm not sure what to feel about Han claiming to set him up as bait before seitching to IGCD. I know from Day 1 that Han seems to like this style of prodding for reactions, but it seems to be like he is setting up a lynch target, and switching off quickly when it doesn't gather steam. Ultimately I think Han comes off looking awkward here. Still undecided on MZero as a whole.

For Tange, this may come off as mean, but when I last played with him a couple years ago he was still new and didn't have developed reads yet. We lost a game as town because he couldn't trust my read in the final four scenario. My gut tells me he's not an analytical player. So when he comes in for comments here or there but isn't really part of a conversation, it looks like coasting. Of all my reads, Tange is probably the most personality based of them, but that's mostly because he hasn't had a lot of content.

Sultan I don't like. I don't think Panthera and Sultan both exist in this setup. We have too much protection. The claim seems genuine because it's such an odd one to make, but it definitely is something that could be premeditated on a scum board. My biggest "bad" read on Sultan was when he was going after Corrik with really tenuous (this is my word of the game btw) arguments. But I suppose he could be inexperienced town tunneling on Corrik because he doesn't believe there would be two BG. If he's telling the truth the behavior makes sense. I think if Panth flips town at any point, we lynch Sultan, and vice versa.

Crescent and Red together? May have to read again because I don't recall specific interaction there. I asked twice about whether or not Crescent had a history of crusading for inactives, and was ignored both times. other people did bring up this behavior later, but still no one has answered about her history.

Red strikes me as definitely the most likely scum of the inactive pool. Corrik had a strong read on him Day 1 as "Red provides useful content as town, this Red is fluff." I know Red is a respected player, and I was giving him time to play the game, but he honestly hasn't improved that much. I did think I liked his posts at the beginning of Day 2 when he had an active streak. But that hasn't continued.

I've only just now realized that I have mostly negative opinions on everyone you asked about. For a quick breakdown I'd say Sultan and Tange are my biggest worries of that group of six, with a lot of hesitantance toward Han and Red.

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benjamin3740
08/10/18 3:54:13 PM
#250:


ScareChan posted...
Zach

ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...
ScareChan posted...
ScareChan posted...
htaeD posted...

Corrik said he did not have to use it


Thats what I meant.
But I have never seen a compulsibe BG to begin with.


But that's not what sultan said

TheSultanOfSlam posted...
htaeD posted...
Another question Sultan. Forgive me if this was answered before.

Do you HAVE to bodyguard someone?


I think that's how it works also I found out you can't bodyguard yourself

I mean it's just such an equally ...clueless (almost said the I word) thing to say as either alignment that I took it as that. But if he's scum doctor it makes sense how he would slip.

But then that goes back to why is he fake claiming BG at all, and why has he been doing it since Corrik claimed, if he was doctor from the start and could have looked much better by just claiming doctor?

Sultan needs to explain
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