Poll of the Day > Military Budget went up by $100 billion

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Yellow
08/03/18 12:27:14 AM
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/08/02/40-senate-democrats-join-gop-send-717-billion-military-spending-bill-trumps-desk

It's at $717 billion now.

Republicans and Democrats voted alike, overwhelmingly in favor.

Really what the American people needed, amirite?
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Zeus
08/03/18 12:30:51 AM
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Well, with all the people we pissed off lately...
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jramirez23
08/03/18 12:36:28 AM
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Oh yeah, the military-industrial complex!
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Yellow
08/03/18 12:39:29 AM
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Zeus posted...
Well, with all the people we pissed off lately...

This was at $596 billion. We outspend even more now.

https://assets.weforum.org/editor/GbHYAa-lAum0jBv9oDzCUsK1RpihqnTnLMzNRchG6os.jpg

This is ridiculous.

For reference, free college would cost $80 billion.
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BADoglick
08/03/18 12:51:11 AM
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Freedom isn't free!

I'm kidding, our government feeds us jingoistic propaganda that we eat up like morons, which allows them to rob us and transfer our income to the wealthy. We terrorize other nations in the process, destabilizing the world in order to perpetuate infinite war.

It's a lot of the reason why I advocate libertarianism. I don't believe in my income being taken for those purposes, therefore it could be argued that it is tantamount to theft. I also don't believe in ever being the initial aggressor in any given situation. The left has never really been opposed to war. Obama pretended to be a peace candidate and then dropped more bombs than any President in history. Clinton didn't even bother hiding it in her campaign. Bernie's anti war rhetoric made me hopeful he'd win, even if I had other disagreements with him.

I guess I went on a bit of a tangent. I'm just vehemently opposed to the military industrial complex and I'm tired of the two major parties both supporting it for the most part.
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DPsx7
08/03/18 1:00:34 AM
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Stupid, yes. But on the plus side some military technology does trickle out into the rest of the world in one form or another.
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BADoglick
08/03/18 1:04:56 AM
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DPsx7 posted...
Stupid, yes. But on the plus side some military technology does trickle out into the rest of the world in one form or another.

So does NASA's, except with considerably less death and destruction
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GanonsSpirit
08/03/18 1:48:45 AM
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Well, we are about to go to war with Iran.
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Star_Spirit
08/03/18 1:53:54 AM
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durr murder is so heroic
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Croutonman
08/03/18 2:01:39 AM
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The secret space programs and keeping the negative EBEs at bay isnt cheap.
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Kyuubi4269
08/03/18 2:16:58 AM
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BADoglick posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Stupid, yes. But on the plus side some military technology does trickle out into the rest of the world in one form or another.

So does NASA's, except with considerably less death and destruction

Military brought us GPS, NASA brought us rocks.
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Yellow
08/03/18 2:27:44 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Military brought us GPS, NASA brought us rocks.

Joke post, or joke poster?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies
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MICHALECOLE
08/03/18 2:30:08 AM
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Donald trump is clearly about to declare war on multiple countries
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CacciatoPart3
08/03/18 2:36:47 AM
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Yellow posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Military brought us GPS, NASA brought us rocks.

Joke post, or joke poster?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

Its Kyuubi, so both.
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Amuseum
08/03/18 2:37:57 AM
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and they couldn't do jack against russian interference. lmao
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Lil69Leo
08/03/18 2:58:33 AM
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CacciatoPart3 posted...
Yellow posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Military brought us GPS, NASA brought us rocks.

Joke post, or joke poster?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

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Kyuubi4269
08/03/18 4:05:20 AM
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Yellow posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Military brought us GPS, NASA brought us rocks.

Joke post, or joke poster?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

Tell me NASA didn't bring rocks tho
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Sarcasthma
08/03/18 4:16:56 AM
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CacciatoPart3 posted...
Yellow posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Military brought us GPS, NASA brought us rocks.

Joke post, or joke poster?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

Its Kyuubi, so both.

lol
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Zeus
08/03/18 4:22:00 AM
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Yellow posted...
For reference, free college would cost $80 billion.


lolwut? The Sanders proposal? As if anything he claimed ever came in at the price he said. At any rate, our enrollment rates are already higher than a lot of nations which give it away for free and that number would only increase if it were free -- as would the administrative bloat. And for what? Even more educated baristas and waiters? We don't even have placement for all the college graduates we have now, which is why low-end jobs have been looking for people with a bachelors or better despite the jobs never needing or wanting one in the past.

BADoglick posted...
I'm kidding, our government feeds us jingoistic propaganda that we eat up like morons, which allows them to rob us and transfer our income to the wealthy.


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BADoglick posted...
We terrorize other nations in the process, destabilizing the world in order to perpetuate infinite war.


Which has less to do with our military than our soft policy, hence why the threat of military power has done relatively little to stop anything over the years. And most of the destablization hasn't come from the military, but instead funding rebels and terrorists, etc.

BADoglick posted...
It's a lot of the reason why I advocate libertarianism. I don't believe in my income being taken for those purposes, therefore it could be argued that it is tantamount to theft. I also don't believe in ever being the initial aggressor in any given situation. The left has never really been opposed to war. Obama pretended to be a peace candidate and then dropped more bombs than any President in history. Clinton didn't even bother hiding it in her campaign. Bernie's anti war rhetoric made me hopeful he'd win, even if I had other disagreements with him.


>Claims to be libertarian
>Roots for Bernie

If you're against excessive taxation, income redistribution, and bigger government, Bernie is *last* candidate you want to support. It's kind of like how somebody who claims to want to turn this nation into an anti-white, anti-male hugbox wouldn't support Donald Trump.

Bernie's whole existence is to make other candidates look more palatable by comparison. Ben Carson wants to replace income tax with a tithe? Well, at least's not Bernie Sanders! Carly Fioriana's foreign policy suggestion is to ignore Russia? Well, she still knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders despite Sanders working his whole life in politics! Ted Cruz wants to abolish the IRS and replace it with something that sounds a lot like the IRS? Well, better him than Bernie. Hell, I *never* thought I'd vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries -- given her history with corruption, questionable foreign policy practices, etc (although otherwise I thought she *could* work across party lines, which is what the nation needs) -- but fuck, Bernie made Hillary look amazing by comparison.

Amuseum posted...
and they couldn't do jack against russian interference. lmao


Tanks are surprisingly ineffective against buying ads on Facebook and publishing fake news stories.
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Amuseum
08/03/18 5:34:38 AM
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Things I learned: 100% of military personnel are tank drivers. The whole purpose of 'defense' is just tanks, everywhere.
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TheCyborgNinja
08/03/18 5:41:28 AM
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So the budget is all military, prisons, and tax breaks for the rich. Cool. I can't see how a heavily-armed, easily-angered population won't tolerate this forever. I see great things happening when former middle class people start fighting over bread and medicine.
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GanglyKhan
08/03/18 6:58:50 AM
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>people want to be safe
>people also don't want the gov't to have the budget needed to stay safe

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Kyuubi4269
08/03/18 7:08:20 AM
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GanglyKhan posted...
>people want to be safe
>people also don't want the gov't to have the budget needed to stay safe

lol

lol indeed
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Blighboy
08/03/18 7:16:02 AM
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If you aren't willing to spend 700 billion dollars on shitty welfare while you die from cancer then you don't deserve to live free.
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lihlih
08/03/18 7:28:17 AM
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Amuseum posted...
Things I learned: 100% of military personnel are tank drivers. The whole purpose of 'defense' is just tanks, everywhere.


Yeah, this is news to me too. I guess the friends I had in MI(Military Intelligence) when I was in were just tankers in disguise.
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Peterass
08/03/18 7:38:47 AM
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If your military isn't the strongest, you have no real power. This has been the case since civilization began.
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Kyuubi4269
08/03/18 7:48:50 AM
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Peterass posted...
If your military isn't the strongest, you have no real power. This has been the case since civilization began.

Objectively false since the heavily integrated global economy.
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Peterass
08/03/18 7:51:29 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Peterass posted...
If your military isn't the strongest, you have no real power. This has been the case since civilization began.

Objectively false since the heavily integrated global economy.


Not false. Proven over and over throughout history up to the current day
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Blighboy
08/03/18 7:56:36 AM
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Peterass posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Peterass posted...
If your military isn't the strongest, you have no real power. This has been the case since civilization began.

Objectively false since the heavily integrated global economy.


Not false. Proven over and over throughout history up to the current day

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Kyuubi4269
08/03/18 8:09:32 AM
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Peterass posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Peterass posted...
If your military isn't the strongest, you have no real power. This has been the case since civilization began.

Objectively false since the heavily integrated global economy.


Not false. Proven over and over throughout history up to the current day

Most of human history hasn't been reliant on global trade.
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BADoglick
08/03/18 11:43:27 AM
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BADoglick posted...
It's a lot of the reason why I advocate libertarianism. I don't believe in my income being taken for those purposes, therefore it could be argued that it is tantamount to theft. I also don't believe in ever being the initial aggressor in any given situation. The left has never really been opposed to war. Obama pretended to be a peace candidate and then dropped more bombs than any President in history. Clinton didn't even bother hiding it in her campaign. Bernie's anti war rhetoric made me hopeful he'd win, even if I had other disagreements with him.

@Zeus because apparently I can't html

>Claims to be libertarian
>Roots for Bernie

If you're against excessive taxation, income redistribution, and bigger government, Bernie is *last* candidate you want to support. It's kind of like how somebody who claims to want to turn this nation into an anti-white, anti-male hugbox wouldn't support Donald Trump.

Bernie's whole existence is to make other candidates look more palatable by comparison. Ben Carson wants to replace income tax with a tithe? Well, at least's not Bernie Sanders! Carly Fioriana's foreign policy suggestion is to ignore Russia? Well, she still knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders despite Sanders working his whole life in politics! Ted Cruz wants to abolish the IRS and replace it with something that sounds a lot like the IRS? Well, better him than Bernie. Hell, I *never* thought I'd vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries -- given her history with corruption, questionable foreign policy practices, etc (although otherwise I thought she *could* work across party lines, which is what the nation needs) -- but fuck, Bernie made Hillary look amazing by comparison.



Way to reading comprehension. I clearly stated that I have disagreements with him. I think free college is unrealistic and inefficient, I disagree with excessive taxation, and his anti voter ID opinions are silly at best.

But if he legalized pot, shrunk the military budget, and passed sweeping criminal justice reform, he would still be considerably better than the rest of the other realistic candidates.
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Golden Road
08/03/18 11:54:06 AM
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Maybe free college is unreasonable. I'm not sure. Either way, there are way better uses for $100 billion than throwing it at the military.
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