Board 8 > Survivor Crew Ranks The Survivor Seasons (Topic 2)

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eaedwards6400 08/07/18 1:49:59 PM #51:	More often than not, when I rank things, I try to view them as a single entity in the moment as opposed to what they cause and what not. Outside of Guatemala because it feels like a sequel to Palau. And then returning players I feel help as a back story to those single entities. So I can see how Cambodia is awful on the instance of not knowing the back stories but since we are all superfans and know those back stories I think that makes it even better/rewarding. So I guess, I look in the past more than I look in the future when it comes to these things. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906430861] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>More often than not, when I rank things, I try to view them as a single entity in the moment as opposed to what they cause and what not. Outside of Guatemala because it feels like a sequel to Palau. And then returning players I feel help as a back story to those single entities. So I can see how Cambodia is awful on the instance of not knowing the back stories but since we are all superfans and know those back stories I think that makes it even better/rewarding. So I guess, I look in the past more than I look in the future when it comes to these things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/07/18 2:02:04 PM #52:	I think the problem Im having with your mindset, Naye, is that youre equating constant shake-ups and blindsides with interesting gameplay. Whereas I feel that the characters and their motivations are most important. Dont get me wrong, shake-ups can dramatically increase my enjoyment of a season, but proper characterization can make even Pagongings interesting. For example, Borneo is the most bare-bones season ever, yet I LOVE the post-merge. Meanwhile, the motivation behind a lot of modern gameplay is evident in the Kelly Wiglesworth boot in Cambodia, the Michaela boot in MvGX, Zekes attempted Andrea blindside in GC, or Des attempted Kellyn blindside in GI. The modern era has become this weird meta-game where people want to make moves just to make them, without any logic behind them. And the excitement of that sort of thing has RAPIDLY worn off. It doesnt help that weve reached the point where these moves are unnecessarily taking out Wiglesworth, for example. Sunday. Pretty much the entire GI endgame. Its just not great. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:906431552] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I think the problem Im having with your mindset, Naye, is that youre equating constant shake-ups and blindsides with interesting gameplay. Whereas I feel that the characters and their motivations are most important. Dont get me wrong, shake-ups can dramatically increase my enjoyment of a season, but proper characterization can make even Pagongings interesting. For example, Borneo is the most bare-bones season ever, yet I LOVE the post-merge. Meanwhile, the motivation behind a lot of modern gameplay is evident in the Kelly Wiglesworth boot in Cambodia, the Michaela boot in MvGX, Zekes attempted Andrea blindside in GC, or Des attempted Kellyn blindside in GI. The modern era has become this weird meta-game where people want to make moves just to make them, without any logic behind them. And the excitement of that sort of thing has RAPIDLY worn off. It doesnt help that weve reached the point where these moves are unnecessarily taking out Wiglesworth, for example. Sunday. Pretty much the entire GI endgame. Its just not great.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/07/18 2:14:30 PM #53:	eaedwards6400 posted... More often than not, when I rank things, I try to view them as a single entity in the moment as opposed to what they cause and what not. Outside of Guatemala because it feels like a sequel to Palau. And then returning players I feel help as a back story to those single entities. So I can see how Cambodia is awful on the instance of not knowing the back stories but since we are all superfans and know those back stories I think that makes it even better/rewarding. So I guess, I look in the past more than I look in the future when it comes to these things. Well this is the other issue I have with Cambodia. I too TRY to look at seasons individually. All-Stars is bad because its stagnant, not because the pre-season favorites went out early. With Cambodia, everyone is SO strategy focused that if Id never seen this cast play before, Id think they were EXTRAORDINARILY bland. In fact, the only two characters I actively LOVED this season were the two whose past mistakes informed their personalities this time around: Kass and Stephen. Everyone else had their edit boiled down to a single trait: strategy talk, challenge beasting, or outright ignored if you were one of the personality Players like Keith or Kimmi. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:906432178] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote><cite>eaedwards6400 posted...</cite> <quote>More often than not, when I rank things, I try to view them as a single entity in the moment as opposed to what they cause and what not. Outside of Guatemala because it feels like a sequel to Palau. And then returning players I feel help as a back story to those single entities. So I can see how Cambodia is awful on the instance of not knowing the back stories but since we are all superfans and know those back stories I think that makes it even better/rewarding. So I guess, I look in the past more than I look in the future when it comes to these things.</quote> Well this is the other issue I have with Cambodia. I too TRY to look at seasons individually. All-Stars is bad because its stagnant, not because the pre-season favorites went out early. With Cambodia, everyone is SO strategy focused that if Id never seen this cast play before, Id think they were EXTRAORDINARILY bland. In fact, the only two characters I actively LOVED this season were the two whose past mistakes informed their personalities this time around: Kass and Stephen. Everyone else had their edit boiled down to a single trait: strategy talk, challenge beasting, or outright ignored if you were one of the personality Players like Keith or Kimmi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 2:21:01 PM #54:	It's true. The only character with an actual coherent story arc in Cambodia was Kass, and she was the merge boot, leaving us with twelve characters just defined by "traits," if at all. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906432540] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>It's true. The only character with an actual coherent story arc in Cambodia was Kass, and she was the merge boot, leaving us with twelve characters just defined by "traits," if at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/07/18 2:27:26 PM #55:	Espeon posted... Well this is the other issue I have with Cambodia. I too TRY to look at seasons individually. All-Stars is bad because its stagnant, not because the pre-season favorites went out early. With Cambodia, everyone is SO strategy focused that if Id never seen this cast play before, Id think they were EXTRAORDINARILY bland. In fact, the only two characters I actively LOVED this season were the two whose past mistakes informed their personalities this time around: Kass and Stephen. Everyone else had their edit boiled down to a single trait: strategy talk, challenge beasting, or outright ignored if you were one of the personality Players like Keith or Kimmi. See I can understand this but then I wonder why you exclude Savage because he's really not focused on the strategy that much at all. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906432923] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Espeon posted...</cite> <quote>Well this is the other issue I have with Cambodia. I too TRY to look at seasons individually. All-Stars is bad because its stagnant, not because the pre-season favorites went out early. With Cambodia, everyone is SO strategy focused that if Id never seen this cast play before, Id think they were EXTRAORDINARILY bland. In fact, the only two characters I actively LOVED this season were the two whose past mistakes informed their personalities this time around: Kass and Stephen. Everyone else had their edit boiled down to a single trait: strategy talk, challenge beasting, or outright ignored if you were one of the personality Players like Keith or Kimmi.</quote> See I can understand this but then I wonder why you exclude Savage because he's really not focused on the strategy that much at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 2:33:00 PM #56:	Savage was actively bad in Cambodia largely because he went in with this pre-conceived notion that Stephen and Spencer, the two "nerds" in the cast, were not to be trusted and didn't let up on them all season, even calling them out for things that were totally reasonable (ie Fishbach suspecting that Jeremy might be out looking for an idol). This is compounded by his treatment of Ryan Shoulders in his first season, leading me to believe that the guy just has a thing against people he perceives as nerds, and just looks really bad upon him. And yes, that was his character "trait" in Cambodia. Not good. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906433250] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Savage was actively bad in Cambodia largely because he went in with this pre-conceived notion that Stephen and Spencer, the two "nerds" in the cast, were not to be trusted and didn't let up on them all season, even calling them out for things that were totally reasonable (ie Fishbach suspecting that Jeremy might be out looking for an idol). This is compounded by his treatment of Ryan Shoulders in his first season, leading me to believe that the guy just has a thing against people he perceives as nerds, and just looks really bad upon him. And yes, that was his character "trait" in Cambodia. Not good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/07/18 2:36:59 PM #57:	Savage is like the living embodiment of what you guys are complaining about. He's talking about this emotional stuff and Jeremy needs to go cry it out and Stephen instantly turned it back to strategy talk. It's kind of hilarious. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906433459] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Savage is like the living embodiment of what you guys are complaining about. He's talking about this emotional stuff and Jeremy needs to go cry it out and Stephen instantly turned it back to strategy talk. It's kind of hilarious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 2:43:09 PM #58:	I think the misconception here is that we think strategy talk is automatically bad and emotional talk is automatically good. It's about having enough balance AND dynamics to make us actually care about them as people AND as characters on a TV show. We're not saying that every character can/will be a Coach or Debbie, but they can't be completely monotonous, and most of the characters in Cambodia were. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906433780] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I think the misconception here is that we think strategy talk is automatically bad and emotional talk is automatically good. It's about having enough balance AND dynamics to make us actually care about them as people AND as characters on a TV show. We're not saying that every character can/will be a Coach or Debbie, but they can't be completely monotonous, and most of the characters in Cambodia were.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Espeon 08/07/18 2:45:33 PM #59:	Honestly, Andrew just felt like this bizarre afterthought most of the time. He was Jeremys shield, then Tashas ally, then he got blindsided by Kass the second he tried to step up. He annoyed me, but just never really amounted to anything, oddly enough. Again, thats what Cambodias edit was to me. --- Inviso's Most Adorabl-est Eeveelution Ever https://imgur.com/SSw6M9E <cite>Espeon posted [p:906433909] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, Andrew just felt like this bizarre afterthought most of the time. He was Jeremys shield, then Tashas ally, then he got blindsided by Kass the second he tried to step up. He annoyed me, but just never really amounted to anything, oddly enough. Again, thats what Cambodias edit was to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 3:05:03 PM #60:	This is how someone "being emotional about their family" can be turned into a fully fleshed-out character - they recognize that they are not the only one playing for their family, are shown bonding with other such people, and it is shown to influence their decision-making in the game. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906435014] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>This is how someone "being emotional about their family" can be turned into a fully fleshed-out character - they recognize that they are not the only one playing for their family, are shown bonding with other such people, and it is shown to influence their decision-making in the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/07/18 3:07:38 PM #61:	Underleveled posted... This is how someone "being emotional about their family" can be turned into a fully fleshed-out character - they recognize that they are not the only one playing for their family, are shown bonding with other such people, and it is shown to influence their decision-making in the game. Except that is exactly what the Savage/Jeremy scene does. Jeremy is more loyal to savage at that moment. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906435156] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Underleveled posted...</cite> <quote>This is how someone "being emotional about their family" can be turned into a fully fleshed-out character - they recognize that they are not the only one playing for their family, are shown bonding with other such people, and it is shown to influence their decision-making in the game.</quote> Except that is exactly what the Savage/Jeremy scene does. Jeremy is more loyal to savage at that moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 3:13:09 PM #62:	It was not shown to affect his gameplay. After that episode, the two were simply shown to both be members of a 9-person alliance. If anything Jeremy showed more loyalty to Stephen, the "bad guy" in that particular scene, by playing an idol on him. By that I mean I want to see him conflicted over having to vote out another parent like Kass or Ciera and feel some sort of remorse that he's taking that away from them and their kids. Alternatively, maybe he feels guilty about it in the beginning of the season and loses sight of it as the end is near and he realizes he has a very real shot at the money, and has to speak for it at the FTC. That shows character development. Otherwise, talking about his family is just a one-note character trait, regardless of how emotional it is. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906435440] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>It was not shown to affect his gameplay. After that episode, the two were simply shown to both be members of a 9-person alliance. If anything Jeremy showed more loyalty to Stephen, the "bad guy" in that particular scene, by playing an idol on him. By that I mean I want to see him conflicted over having to vote out another parent like Kass or Ciera and feel some sort of remorse that he's taking that away from them and their kids. Alternatively, maybe he feels guilty about it in the beginning of the season and loses sight of it as the end is near and he realizes he has a very real shot at the money, and has to speak for it at the FTC. That shows character development. Otherwise, talking about his family is just a one-note character trait, regardless of how emotional it is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YoRyanetc 08/07/18 4:38:18 PM #63:	My writeup has very little to do with why Cambodia is so low for me. I'm just lazy and didn't feel like busting out a massive writeup. --- Soft silly music is meaningful magical http://followmy.tv/u/yoryan http://www.last.fm/user/yoryan <cite>YoRyanetc posted [p:906440395] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>My writeup has very little to do with why Cambodia is so low for me. I'm just lazy and didn't feel like busting out a massive writeup.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 08/07/18 5:17:45 PM #64:	1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. Palau 9. ??? 10. ??? 11. Game Changers 12. Cambodia 13. Blood vs Water 14. Africa 15. ??? 16. Cook Islands 17. Guatemala 18. Marquesas 19. Samoa 20. ??? 21. ??? 22. Fiji 23. Gabon 24. South Pacific 25. All-Stars 26. Nicaragua 27. One World 28. Caramoan 29. Redemption Island --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:906442546] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. Palau 9. ??? 10. ??? 11. Game Changers 12. Cambodia 13. Blood vs Water 14. Africa 15. ??? 16. Cook Islands 17. Guatemala 18. Marquesas 19. Samoa 20. ??? 21. ??? 22. Fiji 23. Gabon 24. South Pacific 25. All-Stars 26. Nicaragua 27. One World 28. Caramoan 29. Redemption Island</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 5:40:30 PM #65:	1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11) 10. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4) 11. ??? 12. Survivor: Gabon (Season 17) 13. ??? 14. ??? 15. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33) 16. Survivor: Blood vs. Water (Season 27) 17. Survivor: Samoa (Season 19) 18. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34) 19. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35) 20. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8) 21. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21) 22. Survivor: Africa (Season 3) 23. ??? 24. ??? 25. ??? 26. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14) 27. Survivor: Cambodia (Season 31) 28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13) 29. Survivor: Palau (Season 10) 30. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5) 31. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30) 32. Survivor: Ghost Island (Season 36) 33. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26) 34. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22) 35. Survivor: One World (Season 24) 36. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23) --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906443814] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. ??? 9. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11) 10. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4) 11. ??? 12. Survivor: Gabon (Season 17) 13. ??? 14. ??? 15. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33) 16. Survivor: Blood vs. Water (Season 27) 17. Survivor: Samoa (Season 19) 18. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34) 19. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35) 20. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8) 21. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21) 22. Survivor: Africa (Season 3) 23. ??? 24. ??? 25. ??? 26. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14) 27. Survivor: Cambodia (Season 31) 28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13) 29. Survivor: Palau (Season 10) 30. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5) 31. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30) 32. Survivor: Ghost Island (Season 36) 33. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26) 34. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22) 35. Survivor: One World (Season 24) 36. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 08/07/18 6:42:33 PM #66:	https://imgur.com/p9bQhoI --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:906446950] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/p9bQhoI</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/07/18 6:47:29 PM #67:	Also, Andy was the first one to lose their number 1. And I have lost 2 of my top 10. (I would have to look further for others top losses) --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906447222] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Also, Andy was the first one to lose their number 1. And I have lost 2 of my top 10. (I would have to look further for others top losses)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/07/18 6:49:47 PM #68:	Glad my bottom 10 are finally all out: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4) 9. ??? 10. ??? 11. Survivor: Gabon (Season 17) 12. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21) 13. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11) 14. ??? 15. ??? 16. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14) 17. Survivor: Palau (Season 10) 18. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35) 19. ??? 20. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34) 21. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23) 22. Survivor: Samoa (Season 19) 23. Survivor: Blood vs. Water (Season 27) 24. Survivor: Africa (Season 3) 25. ??? 26. ??? 27. Survivor: One World (Season 24) 28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13) 29. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33) 30. Survivor: Cambodia (Season 31) 31. Survivor: Ghost Islands (Season 34) 32. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30) 33. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5) 34. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8) 35. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26) 36. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22) --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:906447353] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Glad my bottom 10 are finally all out: 1. ??? 2. ??? 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. ??? 6. ??? 7. ??? 8. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4) 9. ??? 10. ??? 11. Survivor: Gabon (Season 17) 12. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21) 13. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11) 14. ??? 15. ??? 16. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14) 17. Survivor: Palau (Season 10) 18. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35) 19. ??? 20. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34) 21. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23) 22. Survivor: Samoa (Season 19) 23. Survivor: Blood vs. Water (Season 27) 24. Survivor: Africa (Season 3) 25. ??? 26. ??? 27. Survivor: One World (Season 24) 28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13) 29. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33) 30. Survivor: Cambodia (Season 31) 31. Survivor: Ghost Islands (Season 34) 32. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30) 33. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5) 34. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8) 35. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26) 36. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 08/07/18 10:02:53 PM #69:	#14: It's a tie! Average ranking: 13.36 There is a tie for the #13 spot in this ranking. The season with the more consistent ranking (smaller standard deviation) will be ranked #13, and the season with the less consistent ranking (larger standard deviation) will be ranked #14. --- All your old meme are belong to me. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:906458955] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>#14: It's a tie! Average ranking: 13.36 There is a tie for the #13 spot in this ranking. The season with the more consistent ranking (smaller standard deviation) will be ranked #13, and the season with the less consistent ranking (larger standard deviation) will be ranked #14.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/07/18 10:09:17 PM #70:	I will guess Koah Rong and SJDS --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906459330] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I will guess Koah Rong and SJDS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 10:09:57 PM #71:	Yeah that sounds about right. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906459376] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Yeah that sounds about right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 08/07/18 10:41:46 PM #72:	#14: The Australian Outback Average Ranking: 13.36 Standard Deviation: 7.80 Mana Sword: 2 - No writeup DoctorBlind: 4 - A few reasons contribute to me loving this season so much, but Ill knock out the personal ones first. Elisabeth is the first of two Survivors Ive ever met in person and as a little kid at the time, I had crushed on her hard during the show (what am I talking about I still do). Also, I owned the video game on PC which was terrible, but still kinda fun. The season itself had super intense moments, focused on camplife like few others have, and had a genuinely fantastic cast that were probably, if anything, too nice on the whole. GTM: 6 - this was the peak of the early seasons, it's all downhill from here BCT: 9 - Survivors most-watched season has aged better than its predecessor and shows one of the most developed casts playing a strategic game free of the cluelessness of Pagong in an intense, hostile environment. High praise for Varner pinning Kimmi and Alicia against each other and Colby blindsiding Jerri. The extra three days were unnecessary, though. Naye745: 9 - a season that had a lot of pressure to follow up the amazing success of Borneo, and somehow succeeded. has had the most eventual returnees (8/16) of any Survivor cast, and had a shocking ending and final vote. it's hard to rank the old seasons with modern ones, but Australia stands out as at least one of the best of its era. eaed: 12 - This season is just so much fun to start and it is the social phenomena. And it keeps the phenomena going with probably the best premerge in survivor history and a fantastic merge episode but in the end the post-merge is so boring that this is as far as it can go. Illuminatus: 15 - No writeup YoRyan: 20 - season dies with Jerri FBike: 21 - As was common in the early years of Survivor, strategy wasn't as much of a thing. This has its upsides and its downsides. darkx: 23 - Take your nostalgia goggles off, people, it's not that good. Inviso: 26 - As the follow-up season to Borneo, Australia is almost like a bizarre version of the initial outing. Borneos pre-merge is basic, whereas Australias pre-merge actually has some fascinating moments and eliminations. Borneos post-merge is amazing, whereas Australias post-merge becomes dull and formulaic REALLY fast. The problem is that Australia is a complete reaction to Borneo, and while the villains triumphed in Borneo, Australia is all about the good people winning. Unfortunately, good people means a bunch of polite, low-energy players who make the end-game a slog to get through, when the end-game should be the most exciting part of the season. It doesnt help that the conditions are EXTREMELY rough late in the game, to the point where some players were at a legitimate risk of death. Yeah, that doesnt make for a fun season. --- All your old meme are belong to me. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:906461327] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>#14: The Australian Outback Average Ranking: 13.36 Standard Deviation: 7.80 Mana Sword: 2 - No writeup DoctorBlind: 4 - A few reasons contribute to me loving this season so much, but Ill knock out the personal ones first. Elisabeth is the first of two Survivors Ive ever met in person and as a little kid at the time, I had crushed on her hard during the show (what am I talking about I still do). Also, I owned the video game on PC which was terrible, but still kinda fun. The season itself had super intense moments, focused on camplife like few others have, and had a genuinely fantastic cast that were probably, if anything, too nice on the whole. GTM: 6 - this was the peak of the early seasons, it's all downhill from here BCT: 9 - Survivors most-watched season has aged better than its predecessor and shows one of the most developed casts playing a strategic game free of the cluelessness of Pagong in an intense, hostile environment. High praise for Varner pinning Kimmi and Alicia against each other and Colby blindsiding Jerri. The extra three days were unnecessary, though. Naye745: 9 - a season that had a lot of pressure to follow up the amazing success of Borneo, and somehow succeeded. has had the most eventual returnees (8/16) of any Survivor cast, and had a shocking ending and final vote. it's hard to rank the old seasons with modern ones, but Australia stands out as at least one of the best of its era. eaed: 12 - This season is just so much fun to start and it is the social phenomena. And it keeps the phenomena going with probably the best premerge in survivor history and a fantastic merge episode but in the end the post-merge is so boring that this is as far as it can go. Illuminatus: 15 - No writeup YoRyan: 20 - season dies with Jerri FBike: 21 - As was common in the early years of Survivor, strategy wasn't as much of a thing. This has its upsides and its downsides. darkx: 23 - Take your nostalgia goggles off, people, it's not that good. Inviso: 26 - As the follow-up season to Borneo, Australia is almost like a bizarre version of the initial outing. Borneos pre-merge is basic, whereas Australias pre-merge actually has some fascinating moments and eliminations. Borneos post-merge is amazing, whereas Australias post-merge becomes dull and formulaic REALLY fast. The problem is that Australia is a complete reaction to Borneo, and while the villains triumphed in Borneo, Australia is all about the good people winning. Unfortunately, good people means a bunch of polite, low-energy players who make the end-game a slog to get through, when the end-game should be the most exciting part of the season. It doesnt help that the conditions are EXTREMELY rough late in the game, to the point where some players were at a legitimate risk of death. Yeah, that doesnt make for a fun season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/07/18 10:52:23 PM #73:	Awesome. Just one more truly blah season left, and then everything left is at least DECENT. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:906461815] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Awesome. Just one more truly blah season left, and then everything left is at least DECENT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/07/18 11:08:29 PM #74:	I was almost gonna say Australia too lol. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906462583] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I was almost gonna say Australia too lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 08/07/18 11:25:57 PM #75:	fight me --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:906463503] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>fight me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 08/07/18 11:27:10 PM #76:	i actually rewatched the first half of this (there were episodes on youtube at the time, but vanished halfway through) and still liked it a lot. maybe the ending isnt as thrilling, but it also avoided the basic "pagonging" that seemed inevitable after season 1. good cast too. dunno, i don't pretend to understand the outliers most of the time!! --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:906463570] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>i actually rewatched the first half of this (there were episodes on youtube at the time, but vanished halfway through) and still liked it a lot. maybe the ending isnt as thrilling, but it also avoided the basic "pagonging" that seemed inevitable after season 1. good cast too. dunno, i don't pretend to understand the outliers most of the time!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/07/18 11:30:38 PM #77:	Nostalgia is allowed to have place in these rankings. I think I even state Nostalgia in some of my rankings --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906463749] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Nostalgia is allowed to have place in these rankings. I think I even state Nostalgia in some of my rankings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 08/07/18 11:48:35 PM #78:	>darkx: 23 - Take your nostalgia goggles off, people, it's not that good. my first season was Gabon! --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:906464835] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>>darkx: 23 - Take your nostalgia goggles off, people, it's not that good. my first season was Gabon!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kateee 08/07/18 11:51:58 PM #79:	same <cite>kateee posted [p:906465003] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>same</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/08/18 8:13:41 PM #80:	I didn't get to outlier today --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906525474] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I didn't get to outlier today</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 08/09/18 7:55:17 PM #81:	Today's update will be a bit late because NFL season has started. Not that I've been doing a consistent time of day anyway. Fuck you, Brad Culpepper! (no that isn't a hint) --- All your old meme are belong to me. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:906591516] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Today's update will be a bit late because NFL season has started. Not that I've been doing a consistent time of day anyway. Fuck you, Brad Culpepper! (no that isn't a hint)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/09/18 8:16:25 PM #82:	I mean, any of the applicable seasons are out anyway (unless you're counting Borneo but that's REALLY stretching it). --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906592614] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I mean, any of the applicable seasons are out anyway (unless you're counting Borneo but that's REALLY stretching it).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 08/10/18 4:41:52 AM #83:	#13: Vanuatu Average Ranking: 13.36 Standard Deviation: 7.31 Inviso: 2 - I dont think there is a single dud in the Vanuatu cast. There are some players that wind up lower-key than others, but I think every single player contributes SOMETHING to the season. That alone is enough for a high ranking, but the quality and intrigue of the gameplay makes it even better. The first few episodes, while clearing out some lower-key characters, still have dynamic and unexpected tribal councils. Post-swap is just character moments galore. And then the end-game is crazy and results in some amazing characters making deep runs despite all odds being against them. Vanuatu is DEFINITELY one of Survivors strongest seasons, and the only real shame is how much Jeff downplayed it at the time. YoRyan: 4 - you almost couldn't write a better season than this from a storyline perspective eaed: 5 - Survivor Vanuatu should be number 7 if not for one thing and that it is my favorite winner in Chris. Chris is the one of those winners that was smart strategically and just fantastic on screen. Plus, he definitely kills it in final tribal and with his underdog story. There are also several great cast members for this season and it is the last true old school season: 2 tribes, 1 swap, no idols. And therefore, it is top 5 baby. darkx: 8 - No writeup DoctorBlind: 15 - Im pretty sure this is the season where I stopped watching the show the first time around. I feel like I remember watching the beginning, getting bored, and then quitting halfway through. If only I had stuck around! The winner has one of the best journeys in the history of the show. FBike: 15 - It is at this point where Survivor started to fall from its peak atop reality TV. The "battle of the sexes" format doesn't work as well as it did in the Amazon, and this season's strategy just boiled down to "who won the Immunity Challenge." Naye745: 16 - the Chris Daugherty revenge tour was a blast - this might have been the most dramatic and unlikely season win at the time it aired. but a lot of the pre-merge was pretty bad and slow. 16th seems about right for a season that was great at its best but not consistently so. BCT: 18 - The definition of an average Survivor season. A great winner in Chris Daugherty, Eliza Orlins, a memorable villain in Ami, and a few great moments, but nothing else really sticks out in any department. Everything is just average, hence why its in the middle! Illuminatus: 18 - No writeup GTM: 19 - boring beginning, exciting post merge won me over, we need more eliza on my tv, when will this happen Mana Sword: 27 - No writeup --- All your old meme are belong to me. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:906614696] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>#13: Vanuatu Average Ranking: 13.36 Standard Deviation: 7.31 Inviso: 2 - I dont think there is a single dud in the Vanuatu cast. There are some players that wind up lower-key than others, but I think every single player contributes SOMETHING to the season. That alone is enough for a high ranking, but the quality and intrigue of the gameplay makes it even better. The first few episodes, while clearing out some lower-key characters, still have dynamic and unexpected tribal councils. Post-swap is just character moments galore. And then the end-game is crazy and results in some amazing characters making deep runs despite all odds being against them. Vanuatu is DEFINITELY one of Survivors strongest seasons, and the only real shame is how much Jeff downplayed it at the time. YoRyan: 4 - you almost couldn't write a better season than this from a storyline perspective eaed: 5 - Survivor Vanuatu should be number 7 if not for one thing and that it is my favorite winner in Chris. Chris is the one of those winners that was smart strategically and just fantastic on screen. Plus, he definitely kills it in final tribal and with his underdog story. There are also several great cast members for this season and it is the last true old school season: 2 tribes, 1 swap, no idols. And therefore, it is top 5 baby. darkx: 8 - No writeup DoctorBlind: 15 - Im pretty sure this is the season where I stopped watching the show the first time around. I feel like I remember watching the beginning, getting bored, and then quitting halfway through. If only I had stuck around! The winner has one of the best journeys in the history of the show. FBike: 15 - It is at this point where Survivor started to fall from its peak atop reality TV. The "battle of the sexes" format doesn't work as well as it did in the Amazon, and this season's strategy just boiled down to "who won the Immunity Challenge." Naye745: 16 - the Chris Daugherty revenge tour was a blast - this might have been the most dramatic and unlikely season win at the time it aired. but a lot of the pre-merge was pretty bad and slow. 16th seems about right for a season that was great at its best but not consistently so. BCT: 18 - The definition of an average Survivor season. A great winner in Chris Daugherty, Eliza Orlins, a memorable villain in Ami, and a few great moments, but nothing else really sticks out in any department. Everything is just average, hence why its in the middle! Illuminatus: 18 - No writeup GTM: 19 - boring beginning, exciting post merge won me over, we need more eliza on my tv, when will this happen Mana Sword: 27 - No writeup</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/10/18 7:32:44 AM #84:	This is a real shame. Also, I REALLY don't understand FBike's comment. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:906618578] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>This is a real shame. Also, I REALLY don't understand FBike's comment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FBike1 08/10/18 8:28:02 AM #85:	I don't remember writing that. I may have been drunk. --- No one reads signatures. <cite>FBike1 posted [p:906620011] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I don't remember writing that. I may have been drunk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 08/10/18 11:11:58 AM #86:	vanuatu at 13 seems pretty much right, so good enough for me. not as good as cambodia though!! --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:906626442] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>vanuatu at 13 seems pretty much right, so good enough for me. not as good as cambodia though!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/10/18 12:14:21 PM #87:	oh that hurts. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906629761] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>oh that hurts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 08/10/18 12:16:00 PM #88:	ya go my outlier ranking --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:906629854] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>ya go my outlier ranking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/10/18 12:37:13 PM #89:	Here is your new outlier stats: Inviso - 160 DoctorBlind - 133 YoRyan - 132 Illuminatus - 126 Mana Sword - 120 darkx - 112 eaed - 107 GTM - 98 FBike - 89 BlueCrystalTear - 80 Naye745 - 78 I think Vanuatu got a lot more respect last time we did this. Also, I can't believe Koah Rong and SJDS haven't gone yet. Not that they are bad seasons but I know they have their haters out there. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906631049] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Here is your new outlier stats: Inviso - 160 DoctorBlind - 133 YoRyan - 132 Illuminatus - 126 Mana Sword - 120 darkx - 112 eaed - 107 GTM - 98 FBike - 89 BlueCrystalTear - 80 Naye745 - 78 I think Vanuatu got a lot more respect last time we did this. Also, I can't believe Koah Rong and SJDS haven't gone yet. Not that they are bad seasons but I know they have their haters out there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/10/18 12:41:25 PM #90:	eaedwards6400 posted... Also, I can't believe Koah Rong and SJDS haven't gone yet. Not that they are bad seasons but I know they have their haters out there. I suspect those will be the next two out, which would leave us with a top 10 of: Borneo, Amazon, Pearl Islands, Exile Island, China, Micronesia, Tocantins, HvV, Philippines, and Cagayan. Which sounds about right. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906631314] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote><cite>eaedwards6400 posted...</cite> <quote>Also, I can't believe Koah Rong and SJDS haven't gone yet. Not that they are bad seasons but I know they have their haters out there.</quote> I suspect those will be the next two out, which would leave us with a top 10 of: Borneo, Amazon, Pearl Islands, Exile Island, China, Micronesia, Tocantins, HvV, Philippines, and Cagayan. Which sounds about right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaedwards6400 08/10/18 12:47:01 PM #91:	Everyone, take another look at the outliers. I was missing Palau, Marquesas, and Blood vs Water before. --- Cheer, Cheer for Old Notre Dame! GO VOTE FOR UCA! ~Join B8 on TEW!~ http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9339/7vke.jpg <cite>eaedwards6400 posted [p:906631615] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Everyone, take another look at the outliers. I was missing Palau, Marquesas, and Blood vs Water before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Underleveled 08/10/18 12:48:57 PM #92:	I've been at #6 for a very long time. --- darkx <cite>Underleveled posted [p:906631716] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I've been at #6 for a very long time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 08/10/18 3:34:55 PM #93:	i bet kaoh rong makes the top 10 i've been wrong before though!! --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:906641538] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>i bet kaoh rong makes the top 10 i've been wrong before though!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/10/18 5:33:32 PM #94:	Reading those write-ups, I'm really confused about why Tocantins is still in (and why the HELL it's held in such glowing regard by the fanbase as a whole.) --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:906648798] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Reading those write-ups, I'm really confused about why Tocantins is still in (and why the HELL it's held in such glowing regard by the fanbase as a whole.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naye745 08/10/18 5:35:17 PM #95:	great post-merge cast. pre-merge isnt great but it had the exile alliance and 16-people seasons are always just better at developing characters. a couple of other rad 16-person seasons havent shown up yet either... --- it's an underwater adventure ride <cite>Naye745 posted [p:906648890] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>great post-merge cast. pre-merge isnt great but it had the exile alliance and 16-people seasons are always just better at developing characters. a couple of other rad 16-person seasons havent shown up yet either...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/10/18 5:36:33 PM #96:	Naye745 posted... great post-merge cast. pre-merge isnt great but it had the exile alliance and 16-people seasons are always just better at developing characters. a couple of other rad 16-person seasons havent shown up yet either... The Exile Alliance that ate up a ton of airtime and didn't even matter, you mean? And I'd argue that Tocantins' cast, as a whole, is boring as hell. Tocantins is Exile Island if Casaya self-destructed and let La Mina win. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:906648956] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote><cite>Naye745 posted...</cite> <quote>great post-merge cast. pre-merge isnt great but it had the exile alliance and 16-people seasons are always just better at developing characters. a couple of other rad 16-person seasons havent shown up yet either...</quote> The Exile Alliance that ate up a ton of airtime and didn't even matter, you mean? And I'd argue that Tocantins' cast, as a whole, is boring as hell. Tocantins is Exile Island if Casaya self-destructed and let La Mina win.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 08/10/18 6:52:53 PM #97:	Tocantins coach is probably my favorite "character" in survivor --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:906653366] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Tocantins coach is probably my favorite "character" in survivor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 08/10/18 6:53:37 PM #98:	I like Coach a lot too in the season, but he doesn't make up for a shit-ton of blandness in the rest of the season. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:906653421] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>I like Coach a lot too in the season, but he doesn't make up for a shit-ton of blandness in the rest of the season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 08/10/18 6:54:14 PM #99:	Yes he does --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:906653466] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Yes he does</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 08/10/18 6:54:28 PM #100:	Thats how much i like him --- GTM - Boko United survivor and dillos and nintendo and wrestling <cite>GTM posted [p:906653478] in Survivor C... [t:76865708]...</cite> <quote>Thats how much i like him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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