Board 8 > I quit Spirit of Justice halfway through. I started it back up again *spoilers*

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I made it through Case 4 back when I first bought it, and I guess I just wasn't in the mood for AA at that point, so the game got dropped. I did the same with DRv3 and quit after Case 2. I was just thinking over the weekend that I should rectify both of these things, so I started up Case 3 of SoJ, since that was the one whose story seemed to matter. After that, I was reminded there was DLC for this game, so I decided to go do that before doing Turnabout Revolution, since that seems suuuuuuper ominous.

I tried talking to Wigs about it, but he remembers none of this, so I decided to make a topic and see how others felt about the cases I'm going through.

DLC CASE SPOILERS BELOW

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I was not a fan of the DLC. It had a few good moments, but also many downfalls:

- I really wish they'd introduce more characters per case. Instead of there being a fun mystery to solve, it's just "well, there's two new characters, so which one is it?" As soon as Ellen went nuts about Phoenix starting to suspect Sorin, it turned into one possibility.

- Experimenting is discouraged because of ridiculously long animations. I want to show everyone everything, but I can't when Sorin keeps throwing paper airplanes at me and Ellen has to keep making herself back up every time she cries. Stop it.

- Phoenix is especially dumb, for no reason. It felt like I was stumbling through the mystery, rather than methodically piecing it together. On top of that, we start the second day of trial with Ellen telling us multiple times that she would rather be convicted than Sorin. So what does Phoenix do? Indict Sorin for the murder. Then he's surprised when Ellen confesses. Good fucking job, Phoenix. It doesn't even make sense for him to be the culprit. "He wrote down that he struck the victim once in his notebook when this explicitly contradicts both the murder weapon and the autopsy report. There's blood on the inside handle of the lantern, and that couldn't have possibly gotten in there if Sorin was the murderer. BUT WHATEVER I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF FINDING THE TRUE KILLER OR MAKING MY CLIENT HAPPY."

- How much stretching did they have to do to get that Larry picture to work out? That was a fucking pathetic reveal to try and tie time travel further into the case. That said, I enjoyed Larry overall in this case. Disregarding his picture, he was very entertaining.

Other positives:

- Good to great villain. Nichody was very calculated and kept things rough for you the entire case. I especially liked his pleading of the fifth immediately after you indict him for the murder. He knows how you work and talking is likely only going to tighten his own noose. I kinda want to go back and rewatch some of his dialogue, though, because I'm pretty sure the game conveniently "forgot" some Psyche-Locks in there. I distinctly remember him talking about Selena's fiance and that he didn't know where he was now, for one.

- The other references to time travel. Sorin talking about knowing a time traveler, when he had his 50 First Dates thing going on was pretty well done. And while Nichody's time-stopping shtick wasn't as good, it was still fine.

I've purposefully avoided any SoJ discussion the past 2 years, since I never finished it. I mainly wanted to put my thoughts out there, because I want to know what the consensus is on the game. And I didn't want to risk posting in the AA topic so I don't see anything for the case or cases I haven't played yet.

So far, none of the cases have stood out to me. I recall the consensus on b8 being SoJ is better than DD, but I think I'd rate every case in DD higher than SoJ's counterpart, other Case 1, which is whatever.
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6-5 is the best case in the game. 6-4 is easily the worst since, well, the localization couldn't make it seem realistic.

But Nahyuta sucks. I really hate that guy and his omnipresence sucks the life out of the game.
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I don't think the consensus is that SoJ is better than DD. SoJ's epic case is widely loved by most, but just about every other case is divisive or not well liked.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

6-4 is easily the worst since, well, the localization couldn't make it seem realistic.

6-4 has many problems but this is way, way, way, way down the list.
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I remember stopping like 10 minutes into case 2 because I just couldn't get into it.

Should pick it up again really
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I'm the only person who actually likes 6-4 so I think SoJ blows DD out of the water

the only exception is the DLC case, where DD's is great and SoJ's is awful

SoJ is sort of hard to compare to DD since it's pretty much all about the last case (although case 3 is also pretty good).

And yeah the DLC case isn't great.
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So skip the dlc case?
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I liked 6-4 for what it was. Bad defendant, but even it had more mystery to it than cases like 6-DLC. It also had CLOSE-UP BLACKQUILL, which is a top-tier AA moment.
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XIII_rocks posted...

So skip the dlc case?

I mean you won't be missing out on anything if you don't play it

they purposely don't put anything important in DLC cases because it's DLC

I still think it's worth playing though. I loved Maya in it.
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LeonhartFour posted...

BlueCrystalTear posted...

6-4 is easily the worst since, well, the localization couldn't make it seem realistic.

6-4 has many problems but this is way, way, way, way down the list.

I've deliberately forgotten most of them because of how bad that case was. 6-2 wasn't that great, either. Obvious killer. Pointless blackmail that only made it even more obvious. Etc.

I only enjoyed 6-5 and to a lesser extent 6-1 and 6-3. This game was a struggle for me to get through because there was way too much of Mr. Sad Monk. When a character you dislike is being shoved down your throat, it's hard to enjoy the media. They should have had a different prosecutor for 6-4, to alleviate that hatred.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

I liked 6-4 for what it was. Bad defendant, but even it had more mystery to it than cases like 6-DLC. It also had CLOSE-UP BLACKQUILL, which is a top-tier AA moment.

Oh, 6-4 isn't as bad as its reputation suggests (since I've seen it called the worst or one of the worst cases in the series). I still liked it, but it definitely has issues. Blackquill was definitely the star of the show though.
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6-5 is a top 5 case in the series for me, 6-3 a top 10. I thought 6-1 was solid for a first case as well.
6-2 and 6-4 were meh. Which is an improvement on DD where I i thought all 5 cases were pretty meh. Never bothered with the DLC for SoJ, though I loved the DD DLC case.

LeonhartFour posted...

Blackquill was definitely the star of the show though.

Agreed 100%. If he weren't there, I would have found 6-4 unplayable.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm the only person who actually likes 6-4 so I think SoJ blows DD out of the water

the only exception is the DLC case, where DD's is great and SoJ's is awful

I like 6-4!

I don't think 6-3 is nearly as good as a lot of people here, though (pretty mid-tier case to me).
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I liked the DLC case.

Yeah, I was definitely not a fan of 6-4 or the DLC case. Even the other early cases didn't really do it for me (6-1 was pretty fun for an intro case, but 6-3 wasn't my thing at all, despite some other people saying it's a top 10 case in the series or whatever). Thankfully 6-5 was incredible and basically two cases in one so it saved the game for me (though I'd still rank it pretty low compared to other AAs - definitely below AA5).
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Got out of Dr. Buff's house and met Paul Atishon. I didn't think the names would get even worse from the start of the game. He asked me what I was doing in the doctor's office, so I ignored him, went back to Wright Anything Agency and turned off the game. Canon ending.
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Atishon is annoying at first but he gets better eventually

I liked SoJ's absurd names actually
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(Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin might be my favorite name in AA history)
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I also really liked 6-4! I was kinda despairing for the game until it came along since I'm not a big fan of the first three cases (6-2 is decent but flawed).

But yeah I'm with those who feel SoJ isn't nearly as good as DD. The degree to which Simon crushes Nahyuta in every way as a character is the biggest reason, but also the fact that I thought all three of the playable trio were strong in DD, while in SoJ it was really just Apollo. And the Ku'rain setting was a bit ham-fisted and didn't work very well for me. (6-5 is pretty great despite this.)
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OK I just finished the investigation phase and I'm stuck with this massive stupid grin on my face. I have to go to bed, but I don't know how I'm possibly going to sleep, knowing what's in store for me in the trial.
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MrSmartGuy posted...

OK I just finished the investigation phase and I'm stuck with this massive stupid grin on my face. I have to go to bed, but I don't know how I'm possibly going to sleep, knowing what's in store for me in the trial.

yyyesssssssss
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Finished the first half (probably less than half). I really wish they were more sparing with the Phoenix clutching his head pose throughout the series. The reveal for why he was our opponent in that trial would've felt way more impactful.

Really though, that was amazing. It actually felt like Phoenix was over there and not some cookie-cutter prosecutor like I was worried it might. Got two game overs in one place because I didn't realize the left side of the diagram was a higher floor. I was saying he dropped the weapon from the bookcase, on top of the coffee maker, outside from the tree and off the stairs, from the other bookcase....

That was not my proudest moment.
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I'm in the minority that thinks Spirit of Justice was great until the final case. I was even convinced it was easily the best Ace Attorney game until the second half of the final case more precisely.

But hell I think 6-2 is the best Phoenix Wright case out of all the games so it's probably not even worth listening to my opinion.
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OliviaTremor posted...

But hell I think 6-2 is the best Phoenix Wright case out of all the games so it's probably not even worth listening to my opinion.

hey now, your opinion is worth listening to! just not taking seriously :P

MrSmartGuy posted...

Really though, that was amazing. It actually felt like Phoenix was over there and not some cookie-cutter prosecutor like I was worried it might.

wonderful way to articulate it!
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MrSmartGuy posted...

I really wish they were more sparing with the Phoenix clutching his head pose throughout the series.

Eh, they really haven't used it that much. Maybe 5 times total?

(that being said I still think 2-4 should've been the only time it was ever used)
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Atishon is so damn good in that trial
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MrSmartGuy posted...

Finished the first half (probably less than half). I really wish they were more sparing with the Phoenix clutching his head pose throughout the series. The reveal for why he was our opponent in that trial would've felt way more impactful.

Well they were literally carbon-copying the reason from 2-4 so yeah they might as well carbon-copy the pose too.
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better to pretend the reason never happened tbqh
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NeoElfboy posted...

Well they were literally carbon-copying the reason from 2-4 so yeah they might as well carbon-copy the pose too.

That's what I mean though. If they hadn't used the pose a lot already in Dual Destinies (it feels like they used it more than once, at least), then seeing him do it in this trial would've been amazing. As it was, it was merely pretty good, because we see him do it more than I'd like.
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I'm pretty sure they only use that pose once or twice in DD.
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That wouldn't be so bad if he was in all the cases, but he's only the attorney for 2 cases. And one of them is the intro.
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I remember not being completely happy with how Phoenix's character was written as the opposition to Apollo but I'll have an update on that when I get around to my replay (I'm on 3-3 on my series replay)
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MrSmartGuy posted...

That wouldn't be so bad if he was in all the cases, but he's only the attorney for 2 cases. And one of them is the intro.

He's the attorney for over half of the game (5-1, 5-4 day 2, 5-5, 5-6).

I'm thinking he only uses it in 5-5, actually. I don't remember him using it in 5-4 or 5-6.
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Working through the trial. Just got to the Divination Seance. Really glad I've played all the Zero Escape games so I'm ready for the eventual prosopagnosia reveal.
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I like how often people make that comment about prosopagnosia when going through this case.
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Aw, that was a bad reveal. I wanted them to be like

"Maybe he suffered from....

Helminthiasis
Prosopagnosia
Dermatofibroma"

That would've been hilarious.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I'm thinking he only uses it in 5-5, actually. I don't remember him using it in 5-4 or 5-6.

I only remember it in 5-5 as well, and I have a hard time not finding it justified there. But I found that part of 5-5 very powerful in general.
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH something just clicked in my head. Don't respond to this until later, because I'm just throwing out some conjecture, but a passing statement by Maya just put a theory in my head.

Dhurke keeps talking about not being long for this world, and continues to be dismissive talking around the subject. All Maya said was "Dhurke's been arrested?! B-But...." and that was enough to make me realize..... Dhurke's already dead and has been channeled by Amara this whole time. As for how long "this whole time" goes back for, I actually don't know. It could be since this particular incident, it could be for 23 years. I don't think I'd be too surprised either way, but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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Wait, Dhurke's blood is in the tomb, though. I guess I don't know how that would work. If he was channeled by someone and injured, I would expect the blood to still belong to the channeler, but I can't remember if that's been established in AA lore or not.
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OMG this full Inga name.

Inga Karkhuul Haw'kohd Dis'nahm Bi'ahni Lawga Ormo Pohmpus Da'nit Ar'edi Iz Khura'in III.

Inga Karkhuul How could this name be any longer or more pompous than it already is Khura'in III.

This fucking game
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The best name
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Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin is the only good one of those pun names
The others are all terrible
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MrSmartGuy posted...

OMG this full Inga name.

Inga Karkhuul Haw'kohd Dis'nahm Bi'ahni Lawga Ormo Pohmpus Da'nit Ar'edi Iz Khura'in III.

Inga Karkhuul How could this name be any longer or more pompous than it already is Khura'in III.

This fucking game

lmfao. how did i not know this!
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Nah, they're just all terrible, including Pees'lubn. But I like most of them.
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As soon as they said there was no one else for Amara to channel, I felt amazing. Also, holy shit this music that's playing as I select Dhurke as the second victim. This is very unlike anything else in this entire series.
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I don't feel amazing anymore.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

how did i not know this!

seriously how did you not notice that

and yes you've hit a top 3 moment for the series
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I never noticed it either

I mean it only plays once. but also a name being a pun isn't really mindblowing to me at this point
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