Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 173: Web of Schneiderman

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FFDragon posted...

it's somehow made even worse since the gop has control of everything right now and trump can't get anything done

if a leftward wind keeps blowing through midterms, he's going to get a lot lamer of a duck than he already is

I hate to say it because I was really hoping he wouldn't run again or a Republican sent out to challenge him would take the nomination, but I am starting to think him being re-elected has a very good chance of happening at this point.
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The people who say Trump hasn't kept his promises never believed him in the first place.
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red sox 777 posted...

The people who say Trump hasn't kept his promises never believed him in the first place.

So then only a quarter of Americans ever believed in him?

Granted, that poll was a few months ago and it could have gone up a bit since then, but, uh...
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HashtagSEP posted...

red sox 777 posted...

The people who say Trump hasn't kept his promises never believed him in the first place.

So then only a quarter of Americans ever believed in him?

Granted, that poll was a few months ago and it could have gone up a bit since then, but, uh...

A trustworthiness poll is not a kept his promises poll.
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I'm surprised even a quarter of Americans believed him. And that's very different from finding him trustworthy, by the way. You can consider someone worthy of being entrusted to take care of you even if you don't believe the words they say.
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Corrik posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

red sox 777 posted...

The people who say Trump hasn't kept his promises never believed him in the first place.

So then only a quarter of Americans ever believed in him?

Granted, that poll was a few months ago and it could have gone up a bit since then, but, uh...

A trustworthiness poll is not a kept his promises poll.

The poll was specifically about if people believed he kept his promises or not

Google it
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HashtagSEP posted...

Corrik posted...

HashtagSEP posted...

red sox 777 posted...

The people who say Trump hasn't kept his promises never believed him in the first place.

So then only a quarter of Americans ever believed in him?

Granted, that poll was a few months ago and it could have gone up a bit since then, but, uh...

A trustworthiness poll is not a kept his promises poll.

The poll was specifically about if people believed he kept his promises or not

Google it

Oh, my apologies then. I did not know what you were referring to.
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HashtagSEP posted...

UInstinctGogeta posted...

I don't think I ever said differently.

My point wasn't promises were kept. My point is lack of promises kept and still trying to do it isn't lying.

The conversation was about Trump being untrustworthy, (IE a liar) not a failure.

...You can be untrustworthy without lying, you know. Failing is a big part of that. If you keep giving your word that you're going to accomplish things and you keep failing, no matter how hard you've tried, you're untrustworthy.

This kinda becomes semantics at this point, whether you are trusting what they say will actually get done, or whether you are trusting they believe they'll get it done

Untrustworthy has a very severe implication, so what you consider untrustworthy I consider unreliable. Untrustworthy to me always has meant this person is high probability lying to me. They are implicitly teying to deceive me. We don't see eye to eye in that regard, and that's fine. I'm
Certainly not going to tell you your interpretation is wrong.

I enjoyed this small little debate. Have a good day.

UInstinctGogeta posted...

This kinda becomes semantics at this point, whether you are trusting what they say will actually get done, or whether you are trusting they believe they'll get it done

Untrustworthy has a very severe implication, so what you consider untrustworthy I consider unreliable. Untrustworthy to me always has meant this person is high probability lying to me. They are implicitly teying to deceive me. We don't see eye to eye in that regard, and that's fine. I'm
Certainly not going to tell you your interpretation is wrong.

I enjoyed this small little debate. Have a good day.

That's fair enough.

To me, unreliability and untrustworthiness go hand in hand, since you rightfully shouldn't place your complete trust in somebody who is unreliable.

I'm not going to trust fall into the arms of somebody who has only caught 1 out of 10 people even if they tried
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It's kind of a silly question to even ask Democrats. Trump promised them nothing, why are they evaluating his promises kept to independents and Republicans?
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Corrik posted...

FFDragon posted...

it's somehow made even worse since the gop has control of everything right now and trump can't get anything done

if a leftward wind keeps blowing through midterms, he's going to get a lot lamer of a duck than he already is

I hate to say it because I was really hoping he wouldn't run again or a Republican sent out to challenge him would take the nomination, but I am starting to think him being re-elected has a very good chance of happening at this point.

A couple months ago didnt you pretty much state flat out that he would be primaried?
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If the GOP loses this year, Trump will just claim it's because he wasn't on the ballot. If they win, he will take all the credit. Trump owns the Republican Party now.
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https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/994971961934532608?s=21

How John Kelly responded when NPR asked if it was "cruel and heartless" to take a mother away from her children: "I wouldn't put it quite that way. The children will be taken care of put into foster care or whatever." npr.org/2018/05/11/610

Or whatever
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/994971961934532608?s=21

How John Kelly responded when NPR asked if it was "cruel and heartless" to take a mother away from her children: "I wouldn't put it quite that way. The children will be taken care of put into foster care or whatever." npr.org/2018/05/11/610

Or whatever

More cruel than forcing their children to cross a desert border illegally while dodging armed border patrol agents? They are better off in foster care than being with parents like that.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

More cruel than forcing their children to cross a desert border illegally while dodging armed border patrol agents?

Are the border guards SHOOTING at unarmed attempted border crossers?!?!
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Yeah Sephy is so right.

America is so shitty that no one should ever take risks to be here.

America the shitty, right?
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John Kelly is another scumbag. (Actually read that as John Kerry at first, and though "Wow, when did he become a scumbag?")

I feel people would actually judge their own party harsher if they would read everything their side does, as the other side being the one doing it. But most people would rather just look at the letter next to the person's name to tell them what to do. "If we're the ones doing it? Great! If the other side's doing it? BOO! HISS! BOO!)
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Eddv posted...

Yeah Sephy is so right.

America is so shitty that no one should ever take risks to be here.

America the shitty, right?

I don't have much sympathy for parents who are muling their children across inhospitable terrain, no. I respect adults who are doing that alone in order to find a better life here, but no, fuck those people who are risking the lives of their children. They don't deserve to have them.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Yeah Sephy is so right.

America is so shitty that no one should ever take risks to be here.

America the shitty, right?

I don't have much sympathy for parents who are muling their children across inhospitable terrain, no. I respect adults who are doing that alone in order to find a better life here, but no, fuck those people who are risking the lives of their children. They don't deserve to have them.

Except when leaving them behind puts their children in even more risk.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Yeah Sephy is so right.

America is so shitty that no one should ever take risks to be here.

America the shitty, right?

I don't have much sympathy for parents who are muling their children across inhospitable terrain, no. I respect adults who are doing that alone in order to find a better life here, but no, fuck those people who are risking the lives of their children. They don't deserve to have them.

Except when leaving them behind puts their children in even more risk.

Then don't leave them
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/994971961934532608?s=21

How John Kelly responded when NPR asked if it was "cruel and heartless" to take a mother away from her children: "I wouldn't put it quite that way. The children will be taken care of put into foster care or whatever." npr.org/2018/05/11/610

Or whatever

What an embarrassing interview on NPR's part. Jesus Christ.
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https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/11/health/lgbtq-discrimination-school-district-trnd/index.html

A student was required by the superintendent to read a passage from the Bible as punishment on at least two occasions. The building administrator acknowledged in an interview with state education officials that he required Bible reading as a form of discipline.

Sounds like a totally above-board operation
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Eddv posted...

Yeah Sephy is so right.

America is so shitty that no one should ever take risks to be here.

America the shitty, right?

I don't have much sympathy for parents who are muling their children across inhospitable terrain, no. I respect adults who are doing that alone in order to find a better life here, but no, fuck those people who are risking the lives of their children. They don't deserve to have them.

Except when leaving them behind puts their children in even more risk.

Then don't leave them

They don't, they take them to a better place.
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He came so close to seeing the point, but hes actually just trolling so he was never going to get it
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Pelosi continues to be a terrible politician.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/08/pelosi-says-dems-will-work-to-roll-back-trump-tax-cuts-if-retake-congress.html

Providing literal mid term ammo for Republicans.
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Hopefully they do roll back those tax cuts. The rich got way too big of a cut, and the poor and middle class will be the ones to suffer for it.

Even Rubio has admitted that the tax cuts aren't doing what they were intended to do.
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Dancedreamer posted...

Hopefully they do roll back those tax cuts. The rich got way too big of a cut, and the poor and middle class will be the ones to suffer for it.

Even Rubio has admitted that the tax cuts aren't doing what they were intended to do.

Campaign on raising taxes going into a pivotal election time. Sounds like a winning strategy. Let's see if that pays off.

Dems are not going to win back either branch of Congress unless a disaster happens.
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Corrik posted...

Campaign on raising taxes going into a pivotal election time. Sounds like a winning strategy. Let's see if that pays off.

Don't you want honest politicians? So it's better to lie?

Also let's not forget: Schumer's plan is to extend tax cuts for lower and middle class while raising them for the rich. Which is much different than just raising taxes. Only those at the top will be effected, and they're going to vote Republican no matter what because they're a bunch of soulless cretins who live on greed.
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Jakyl25 posted...

A student was required by the superintendent to read a passage from the Bible as punishment on at least two occasions. The building administrator acknowledged in an interview with state education officials that he required Bible reading as a form of discipline.

I think that each of the people responsible should have to pay out millions in damages to those students. Hurt them where it counts. And don't let them declare bankruptcy to get out of it. Just disgusting.
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Dancedreamer posted...

Corrik posted...

Campaign on raising taxes going into a pivotal election time. Sounds like a winning strategy. Let's see if that pays off.

Don't you want honest politicians? So it's better to lie?

Also let's not forget: Schumer's plan is to extend tax cuts for lower and middle class while raising them for the rich. Which is much different than just raising taxes. Only those at the top will be effected, and they're going to vote Republican no matter what because they're a bunch of soulless cretins who live on greed.

I am a little bit leary of any tax plan whose main mission is to "tax my political enemies, while cutting taxes on my own voters".

You want a 2nd civil war, keep that shit up for another couple decades.
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Eddv posted...

I am a little bit leary of any tax plan whose main mission is to "tax my political enemies, while cutting taxes on my own voters".

That's a silly way to look at things, imo. Especially considering a lot of poor people vote Republican.

It's simple economics.

Cutting taxes on the rich ONLY benefits the rich. Trickle-down is one of the dumbest theories in a world where the world is flat is still a theory. All that money goes right back into stock buybacks, helping absolutely nobody but 1% of Americans. Why should the rich get the biggest piece of the pie?

Cutting taxes on the poor and middle class means that the poor and middle class have more money to spend. Pretty sure they teach this in every econ 101 class. When the poor have more money, they spend it. When the rich have more money, they save it. You don't give food to the rich in order to make sure the hungry get more scraps.
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Then say that.

Dont say "lets tax the rich because theyre Republican"
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My point was in regards to elections.

Corrik was saying that it's a bad strategy to raise anyone's taxes.
But extending cuts for the poor and middle class, while cutting the cuts for the upper class isn't a bad campaign strategy at all. Especially if they point out that the Republicans specifically made the tax cuts expire for the lower and middle class, while making it permanent for the upper class. In fact some households will see a tax increase under the Republican plan--none of which will be the wealthy.
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Corrik posted...

literal mid term ammo for Republicans.

Phrasing
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So what you mean to say is "yes corrik, we have gotten to the point where you can run on raising taxes and win votes"
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

literal mid term ammo for Republicans.

Phrasing

Lmao. Times like these I almost regret having that little gestapo blocked.
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Eddv posted...

So what you mean to say is "yes corrik, we have gotten to the point where you can run on raising taxes and win votes"

Well, if people automatically assume all politicians are lying...
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Tbh I'm just frustrated with people who only care about their taxes and not how their money is being spent or anything else. We're living in a Prosperity Gospel nation where the rich are heralded as job creators and everyone else are just mooches. Where the welfare kings (corporations) get treated like saints by the government while everyone else suffers.

I mean we've literally got a president waging war on the free press and most conservatives are happy about it. That's extremely frustrating because if Obama had done half of what Trump has done they'd probably be calling for their '2nd amendment solutions' Of course even that's meaningless because they were calling for it with Hillary when she hadn't even done anything as President.
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http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/11/media/rudy-giuliani-trump-att-time-warner/index.html

Rudy Giuliani just contradicted the White House and the Justice Department on a very sensitive subject: The AT&T-Time Warner deal.

"The president denied the merger," Giuliani, a new member of President Trump's legal team, said in an interview with HuffPost on Friday.

But the assertion that "the president denied the merger" flies in the face of everything the government has previously said about the deal.

"If Giuliani didn't misspeak, this is major news," former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti tweeted Friday night. "It is highly unusual for the president to be involved in DOJ merger decisions."

It is possible that Giuliani misspoke, or that he simply does not know what he's talking about.

LOL
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God bless Rudy Giuliani.

Who needs Woodward and Bernstein when Neo-Nixon's own team is leaking the stories.
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I kind of feel that Pelosi isn't really thinking about winning at this point. She's simply not ready to retire. Her statement, that she was going to retire if Hillary had won in 2016, but since she lost, she was staying on, made no sense.
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Corrik posted...

Pelosi continues to be a terrible politician.

lmao

Pelosi may well be the most effective politician on either side right now. Just look at how she can keep her caucus in line compared to Boehner/Paul and the concessions she's gotten out of them and Trump over various budget fights despite being a minority leader. Not to mention that she got the House to pass a public option back during the ACA debate.

Also, last I checked, the polling showed the tax law is unpopular. Though I'll admit I don't recall when that poll was. Think it was April but could certainly be wrong.
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xp1337 posted...

Corrik posted...

Pelosi continues to be a terrible politician.

lmao

Pelosi may well be the most effective politician on either side right now. Just look at how she can keep her caucus in line compared to Boehner/Paul and the concessions she's gotten out of them and Trump over various budget fights despite being a minority leader. Not to mention that she got the House to pass a public option back during the ACA debate.

Also, last I checked, the polling showed the tax law is unpopular. Though I'll admit I don't recall when that poll was. Think it was April but could certainly be wrong.

There is a reason why Democratic candidates in close races are disavowing Pelosi.
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Pelosi is effective as fuck at actually doing the job of speaker
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xp1337 posted...

Corrik posted...

Pelosi continues to be a terrible politician.

lmao

Pelosi may well be the most effective politician on either side right now. Just look at how she can keep her caucus in line compared to Boehner/Paul and the concessions she's gotten out of them and Trump over various budget fights despite being a minority leader. Not to mention that she got the House to pass a public option back during the ACA debate.

Also, last I checked, the polling showed the tax law is unpopular. Though I'll admit I don't recall when that poll was. Think it was April but could certainly be wrong.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/16/gop-tax-cuts-have-gotten-less-popular-with-voters-nbc-wsj-poll.html
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TheRock1525 posted...

xp1337 posted...

Corrik posted...

Pelosi continues to be a terrible politician.

lmao

Pelosi may well be the most effective politician on either side right now. Just look at how she can keep her caucus in line compared to Boehner/Paul and the concessions she's gotten out of them and Trump over various budget fights despite being a minority leader. Not to mention that she got the House to pass a public option back during the ACA debate.

Also, last I checked, the polling showed the tax law is unpopular. Though I'll admit I don't recall when that poll was. Think it was April but could certainly be wrong.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/16/gop-tax-cuts-have-gotten-less-popular-with-voters-nbc-wsj-poll.html

So democrats think they are bad basically. The problem is campaigning on raising taxes. As soon as you threaten someone's wallet who isn't voting party line, they will have the pitchfork out.

Basically handing the independents over if you campaign on raising taxes.
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Corrik posted...

There is a reason why Democratic candidates in close races are disavowing Pelosi.

cuz republicans have spent years trying to vilify her and make her a figurehead for those "evil coastal liberals"

So running away from her is a simple way to go for "centrist cred" with independents. Especially since Pelosi herself came out and said she's totally cool with the tactic if it helps them win.
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Looking at these corrik posts where it's blatantly clear he has no fucking clue what he's saying is simultaneously amusing and really pathetic.
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Reg posted...

Looking at these corrik posts where it's blatantly clear he has no fucking clue what he's saying is simultaneously amusing and really pathetic.

Nah. You all just live in your democrats are untouchable bubbles is all.

The last election just taught you nothing.
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No way! I'm the only one who knows anything
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