Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 172: The Cohen Bothers

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https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

Man people in power are generally awful
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Peace_Frog got played.

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Oh wow i fucked that up bad
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Brb kms sudoku
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

Man people in power are generally awful

What a piece of shit

Hope he rots
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

Man people in power are generally awful

Read this as man people in power

Still accurate
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Jakyl25 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse

Man people in power are generally awful

Read this as man people in power

Still accurate

Now you're making me think Sephy is Don Blankenship.
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I would love to hear Seph tear Blankenship a new one for attacking his boy Mitch
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I'll care about him if he gets the nomination

In other news, Schneiderman resigns but claims the alleged abuse was carried out during role-playing... I kinda buy it?
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schneiderman retire bitch
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Meanwhile, the President of the United States and the Governor of Missouri, among others.
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The Mana Sword posted...

schneiderman retire bitch

he did
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Someone is optimistic

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/05/08/newt-gingrich-experts-were-wrong-in-2016-could-be-wrong-in-2018-too.html
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-rejects-potus-request-to-answer-questions-in-writing/

The president's legal team has signaled that this would be their preferred format for a possible interview, since it helps protect Mr. Trump from the possibility of lying or misleading investigators, which is a criminal offense

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I find it ridiculous that people are attacking people who defended Schneiderman BEFORE finding out he was a sexual offender. I mean it's not like they did it afterwards. You know, like Republicans with Roy Moore.
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Yeah, feel free to call out anyone still defending him, thats great, but its silly to fault them for what they didnt know at the time
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I don't think I've seen anyone actually defending him since the news broke, but maybe I haven't been looking in the right places.
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I am not sure what you are referring to, but I would assume most attacks, if any, probably likely are in the terms of hypocrisy. In how, a supposed big proponent of #metoo was doing unsavory things himself while also strongly denouncing or attacking others for their actions.

It kind of fuels into the SJW, White Knight, whatever tag of people saying things and condemning things to show a supposed moral superiority while also not doing as they preach, or even not actually having a real conviction in the cause.
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How the fuck is it hypocrisy when most of the #Metoo movement called for his resignation? That's the OPPOSITE of hypocrisy. The only hypocrite is Schneiderman, and there's worse stuff with schneiderman than being a hypocrite. Namely sexually assaulting women.
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Ashethan posted...

How the fuck is it hypocrisy when most of the #Metoo movement called for his resignation? That's the OPPOSITE of hypocrisy. The only hypocrite is Schneiderman, and there's worse stuff with schneiderman than being a hypocrite. Namely sexually assaulting women.

*Shaking my head*
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Also

From Vlado's topic, but...

https://twitter.com/Schneiderman/status/993631884054814720

There are people defending him and saying Trump is concocting a scheme to remove him in the comments.

Not that it matters. That is just conspiracy theorists at their best. The main argument I would assume would be what I said above in regards to hypocrisy.
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Man, you'll just bite into anything you can, won't you?
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LapisLazuli posted...

Man, you'll just bite into anything you can, won't you?

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After withdrawing from the Iran Nuclear Deal, I hope I never see another doofus unironically pushing for Trump to get the Peace Prize.
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Pulling out of the Iran deal is such an mindblowingly stupid decision it could only come from this fucking administration. Now Iran is going to get nuclear weapons and we'll probably go to war with them too with pieces of shit like John Bolton calling the shots!

Some very good threads about this astoundingly dumb move:
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/993881996605652992
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/993887707897135104
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Withdrawing from the Iran deal sends a message to our enemies that either our President can't or won't negotiate in good faith, and to our allies that our support is up to the whims of whoever is in charge.
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It does make denuclearizing North Korea a bit harder. Even if Trump holds his end of the deal, what's stopping a future president from reversing that position?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Pulling out of the Iran deal is such an mindblowingly stupid decision it could only come from this fucking administration. Now Iran is going to get nuclear weapons and we'll probably go to war with them too with pieces of shit like John Bolton calling the shots!

Some very good threads about this astoundingly dumb move:
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/993881996605652992
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/993887707897135104

If you seriously think Iran wasn't actively reneging on the deal this entire time, then you have truly lived up to your username.
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Being overwhelmingly likely to be less of a lying piece of shit than Trump I guess

But yeah, from the perspective of another nation this move really kills the US's credibility in dealmaking (from the purported king of deals, no less).
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Even the supporters think pulling out is a dumbass move, the only argument they have to fall back on was "they must have been cheating, anyways".
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charmander6000 posted...

It does make denuclearizing North Korea a bit harder. Even if Trump holds his end of the deal, what's stopping a future president from reversing that position?

We'd be clearing one hell of a bar if our future presidents are worse about holding to deals.
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You guys are acting like this is some kind of heinous Trump wild card move

This is simply a reversal back to status quo of Clinton era diplomacy
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Pulling out of the Iran deal is such an mindblowingly stupid decision it could only come from this fucking administration. Now Iran is going to get nuclear weapons and we'll probably go to war with them too with pieces of shit like John Bolton calling the shots!

Some very good threads about this astoundingly dumb move:
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/993881996605652992
https://twitter.com/Max_Fisher/status/993887707897135104

If you seriously think Iran wasn't actively reneging on the deal this entire time, then you have truly lived up to your username.

The deal where Iran agreed to let us and other nations inspect all their facilities?

If you 100% believe Iran was doing it anyway, secretly, please tell me how "literally no agreement to inspections" is a better solution?

I'll wait.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

If you seriously think Iran wasn't actively reneging on the deal this entire time, then you have truly lived up to your username.

There is literally no evidence that they have reneged besides your deep belief that they must have. Furthermore, the deal is not based on trusting the Iranians; it gives us a ton of increased ability to monitor their nuclear activity, and despite that monitoring no violations had been found (and had they been you sure as fuck would have heard about them given how badly Trump wanted the deal to fail).

And then even if you maintain that the deal is bad, it's even more ridiculous to claim that pulling out of the deal is anything other than a disastrous move given the 0% chance that our allies reimpose sanctions along with us.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

If you 100% believe Iran was doing it anyway, secretly, please tell me how "literally no agreement to inspections" is a better solution?

I'll wait.

Because we can starve them out through sanctions, which has worked for 20 years.
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Not to mention that the student uprisings might have gone a little differently last year if the sanctions had remained in place
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Your boy Mattis defending the deal's inspection scheme:
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/04/26/us/politics/ap-us-united-states-iran-nuclear.html

Without explicitly giving his opinion about whether the United States should stick with the agreement, Mattis said that after reading the full text of the deal three times, he was struck by provisions that allow for international verification of Iran's compliance. He said that since becoming defense secretary in January 2017, he also has read what he called a classified protocol in the agreement.

"I will say it is written almost with an assumption that Iran would try to cheat," he said in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee. "So the verification, what is in there, is actually pretty robust as far as our intrusive ability to get in" with representatives of the International Atomic Energy Agency to check on compliance.

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keep in mind guys seph thinks Bush is god's greatest gift to humanity
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SupremeZero posted...

charmander6000 posted...

It does make denuclearizing North Korea a bit harder. Even if Trump holds his end of the deal, what's stopping a future president from reversing that position?

We'd be clearing one hell of a bar if our future presidents are worse about holding to deals.

Said the Native American like 200 years ago
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If you are so sure Iran is cheating, then you should want to keep the deal in place. Because then inspectors will discover it (unless you think the inspectors are too incompetent, in which case no deals would ever matter, and we shouldn't even have a deal with North Korea either because they'll just cheat. In fact we shouldn't have deals with any countries over anything, and just assume they're going to cheat)
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Flake on pulling out of the Iran deal:

https://mobile.twitter.com/igorbobic/status/993906521087074305
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New Ebola outbreak, 17 already confirmed dead.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

There is literally no evidence that they have reneged besides your deep belief that they must have.

Remember when Seph's take on the gun control debate was that all the left does is "close their eyes, plug their ears with their fingers, and cry as loudly as possible about the NRA while ignoring evidence-based counterarguments to their emotionally driven solutions."? (His exact words, btw. I pulled the post off the archive to get them). And then he comes out with this shit lmfao

He's about as intellectually honest as Ulti (i.e not at all). Just good at appearing better than he is. Joke user though, not worth talking to.
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Seph, what would the sanctions accomplish that inspections wont?
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The United States military played a huge role in containing the last ebola outbreak. There was a really good Pod Save the World where someone (I forget who) talked about how important it was that the Obama administration ignored the media hysteria and focused on getting the job done.

One of the people fearmongering at the time was none other than, you guessed it, Donald Trump. So I guess what I'm saying is that I look forward to an Ebola epidemic to go along with the upcoming nuclear apocalypse!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Seph, what would the sanctions accomplish that inspections wont?

So if you really define it in practical terms, we are essentially paying Iran billions of dollars for minimal inspections that will not uncover nuclear weapons. A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites, which is why the Trump Administration is timing the withdrawal as North Korea appears to be waving the white flag. Couple this turn of events with renewed sanctions and you have a legitimate window to effectively cripple Iran.

At the end of the day, the worst that this withdrawal does is allows Iran to continue developing a weapons program that was never going to be stopped, except removes billions of taxpayer dollars from their military R&D budget.
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47 US senators wrote an open letter to Iran, while this deal was being negotiated, warning them that the US president had no authority to make deals binding on the US without ratification in the Senate. Iran was on notice that they never had a deal with the United States, only its president.

Now, withdrawing from the deal will likely make it harder for the president to unilaterally make deals with foreign countries going forward......but that might not be a bad thing for the United States.
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red sox 777 posted...

47 US senators wrote an open letter to Iran, while this deal was being negotiated, warning them that the US president had no authority to make deals binding on the US without ratification in the Senate. Iran was on notice that they never had a deal with the United States, only its president.

Now, withdrawing from the deal will likely make it harder for the president to unilaterally make deals with foreign countries going forward......but that might not be a bad thing for the United States.

Do you really think that foreign countries make a sharp distinction between the two and that reneging on a deal in the latter category won't hurt the credibility of future deals in the former?
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red sox 777 posted...

47 US senators wrote an open letter to Iran, while this deal was being negotiated, warning them that the US president had no authority to make deals binding on the US without ratification in the Senate. Iran was on notice that they never had a deal with the United States, only its president.

Now, withdrawing from the deal will likely make it harder for the president to unilaterally make deals with foreign countries going forward......but that might not be a bad thing for the United States.

This is another important consideration. Obama once again ignored our constitutional process and signed onto an ephemeral agreement that can vanish with the next administration.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites

Where did you read this, InfoWars?
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