Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 172: The Cohen Bothers

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ChaosTonyV4 05/08/18 2:48:17 PM #201:	Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? But I thought Trump personally brokered an unwavering era of peace in the DPRK??? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:901006116] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> But I thought Trump personally brokered an unwavering era of peace in the DPRK???</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 2:48:35 PM #202:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Seph, what would the sanctions accomplish that inspections wont? So if you really define it in practical terms, we are essentially paying Iran billions of dollars for minimal inspections that will not uncover nuclear weapons. A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites, which is why the Trump Administration is timing the withdrawal as North Korea appears to be waving the white flag. Couple this turn of events with renewed sanctions and you have a legitimate window to effectively cripple Iran. At the end of the day, the worst that this withdrawal does is allows Iran to continue developing a weapons program that was never going to be stopped, except removes billions of taxpayer dollars from their military R&D budget. So the assumption is that Iran has not and will never operate in good faith? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006133] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Seph, what would the sanctions accomplish that inspections wont?</quote> So if you really define it in practical terms, we are essentially paying Iran billions of dollars for minimal inspections that will not uncover nuclear weapons. A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites, which is why the Trump Administration is timing the withdrawal as North Korea appears to be waving the white flag. Couple this turn of events with renewed sanctions and you have a legitimate window to effectively cripple Iran. At the end of the day, the worst that this withdrawal does is allows Iran to continue developing a weapons program that was never going to be stopped, except removes billions of taxpayer dollars from their military R&D budget.</quote> So the assumption is that Iran has not and will never operate in good faith?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 05/08/18 2:49:34 PM #203:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Seph, what would the sanctions accomplish that inspections wont? So if you really define it in practical terms, we are essentially paying Iran billions of dollars for minimal inspections that will not uncover nuclear weapons. A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites, which is why the Trump Administration is timing the withdrawal as North Korea appears to be waving the white flag. Couple this turn of events with renewed sanctions and you have a legitimate window to effectively cripple Iran. At the end of the day, the worst that this withdrawal does is allows Iran to continue developing a weapons program that was never going to be stopped, except removes billions of taxpayer dollars from their military R&D budget. So the assumption is that Iran has not and will never operate in good faith? It's an assumption based on a body of evidence since the 1980s --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:901006174] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Seph, what would the sanctions accomplish that inspections wont?</quote> So if you really define it in practical terms, we are essentially paying Iran billions of dollars for minimal inspections that will not uncover nuclear weapons. A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites, which is why the Trump Administration is timing the withdrawal as North Korea appears to be waving the white flag. Couple this turn of events with renewed sanctions and you have a legitimate window to effectively cripple Iran. At the end of the day, the worst that this withdrawal does is allows Iran to continue developing a weapons program that was never going to be stopped, except removes billions of taxpayer dollars from their military R&D budget.</quote> So the assumption is that Iran has not and will never operate in good faith?</quote> It's an assumption based on a body of evidence since the 1980s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 05/08/18 2:50:03 PM #204:	Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? Haha oh lord yes --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:901006193] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> Haha oh lord yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 05/08/18 2:50:18 PM #205:	Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:901006203] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 2:51:04 PM #206:	So ultimately you think we need to go in there boots on the ground ASAP and overthrow them if we ever want them to be a nation we can work with? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006237] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>So ultimately you think we need to go in there boots on the ground ASAP and overthrow them if we ever want them to be a nation we can work with?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 2:51:28 PM #207:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. Link? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006258] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> Link?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 05/08/18 2:51:29 PM #208:	all that classified info and he still can't figure out he looks like a doofus with that mustache --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:901006259] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>all that classified info and he still can't figure out he looks like a doofus with that mustache</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 05/08/18 2:52:15 PM #209:	I mean, "Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program with North Korea" is such a mind-bogglingly stupid conspiracy theory that the only people who could believe it are bloodthirsty warmongers desperate for yet another endless cycle of U.S. invasion and occupation in the Middle East. Oh wait. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:901006302] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>I mean, "Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program with North Korea" is such a mind-bogglingly stupid conspiracy theory that the only people who could believe it are bloodthirsty warmongers desperate for yet another endless cycle of U.S. invasion and occupation in the Middle East. Oh wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/08/18 2:52:24 PM #210:	LordoftheMorons posted... red sox 777 posted... 47 US senators wrote an open letter to Iran, while this deal was being negotiated, warning them that the US president had no authority to make deals binding on the US without ratification in the Senate. Iran was on notice that they never had a deal with the United States, only its president. Now, withdrawing from the deal will likely make it harder for the president to unilaterally make deals with foreign countries going forward......but that might not be a bad thing for the United States. Do you really think that foreign countries make a sharp distinction between the two and that reneging on a deal in the latter category won't hurt the credibility of future deals in the former? Absolutely. Foreign countries are so aware of this that the Paris climate agreement was drafted specifically to avoid going before the US Congress. That's what the French side said at the time. There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:901006310] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>47 US senators wrote an open letter to Iran, while this deal was being negotiated, warning them that the US president had no authority to make deals binding on the US without ratification in the Senate. Iran was on notice that they never had a deal with the United States, only its president. Now, withdrawing from the deal will likely make it harder for the president to unilaterally make deals with foreign countries going forward......but that might not be a bad thing for the United States.</quote> Do you really think that foreign countries make a sharp distinction between the two and that reneging on a deal in the latter category won't hurt the credibility of future deals in the former?</quote> Absolutely. Foreign countries are so aware of this that the Paris climate agreement was drafted specifically to avoid going before the US Congress. That's what the French side said at the time. There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 05/08/18 2:52:38 PM #211:	How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:901006319] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 2:53:48 PM #212:	red sox 777 posted... There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." What is it now, bad cop, dumb cop? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006372] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." </quote> What is it now, bad cop, dumb cop?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/08/18 2:53:58 PM #213:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:901006382] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 05/08/18 2:54:03 PM #214:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. Link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_w9Vvk0C0" data-time=" --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:901006386] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> Link?</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_w9Vvk0C0" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 05/08/18 2:54:46 PM #215:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information? He was also the UN Ambassador under W so he presumably was not working in a knowledge vacuum. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:901006423] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information?</quote> He was also the UN Ambassador under W so he presumably was not working in a knowledge vacuum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/08/18 2:54:57 PM #216:	Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. "iraq is infinitely better off now than it was under saddam." - unironical sephy quote --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:901006431] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea.</quote> "iraq is infinitely better off now than it was under saddam." - unironical sephy quote</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 2:56:08 PM #217:	Nelson_Mandela posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information? He was also the UN Ambassador under W so he presumably was not working in a knowledge vacuum. Ironically now he works FOR a knowledge vacuum --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006478] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information?</quote> He was also the UN Ambassador under W so he presumably was not working in a knowledge vacuum.</quote> Ironically now he works FOR a knowledge vacuum</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/08/18 2:56:37 PM #218:	Nelson_Mandela posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information? He was also the UN Ambassador under W so he presumably was not working in a knowledge vacuum. Ok but his knowledge is from literally 10 years ago before any deal was made with Iran? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:901006495] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> lmfao you mean the dude who literally said we should bomb both Iran and North Korea--before he had access to this information?</quote> He was also the UN Ambassador under W so he presumably was not working in a knowledge vacuum.</quote> Ok but his knowledge is from literally 10 years ago before any deal was made with Iran?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 05/08/18 2:56:46 PM #219:	Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:901006502] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 05/08/18 2:57:48 PM #220:	Careful Seph, your sociopathy is showing again. --- https://i.imgur.com/WuDQzsc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:901006548] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>Careful Seph, your sociopathy is showing again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/08/18 2:59:35 PM #221:	Hey Sephy what would a good nuclear deal with North Korea look like (and is North Korea more or less trustworthy, in your view, than Iran?) --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:901006631] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>Hey Sephy what would a good nuclear deal with North Korea look like (and is North Korea more or less trustworthy, in your view, than Iran?)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/08/18 3:01:01 PM #222:	LapisLazuli posted... Careful Seph, your sociopathy is showing again. in b4 he melts down again because the board points out that he's a fucking psychopath --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:901006706] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Careful Seph, your sociopathy is showing again.</quote> in b4 he melts down again because the board points out that he's a fucking psychopath</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/08/18 3:01:03 PM #223:	LordoftheMorons posted... Hey Sephy what would a good nuclear deal with North Korea look like (and is North Korea more or less trustworthy, in your view, than Iran?) A good deal would be a complete abolishment of the DPRK and reintegration with South Korea, or North Korea being turned into a barren wasteland. (I assume, as this is literally John Bolton's position.) --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:901006709] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Hey Sephy what would a good nuclear deal with North Korea look like (and is North Korea more or less trustworthy, in your view, than Iran?)</quote> A good deal would be a complete abolishment of the DPRK and reintegration with South Korea, or North Korea being turned into a barren wasteland. (I assume, as this is literally John Bolton's position.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 05/08/18 3:01:05 PM #224:	So, wait. Iran is dodging the checks by doing their work in North Korea test sites. The same North Korea that Trump is supposedly winning over? --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:901006711] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>So, wait. Iran is dodging the checks by doing their work in North Korea test sites. The same North Korea that Trump is supposedly winning over?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 3:02:03 PM #225:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Not_an_Owl posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites Where did you read this, InfoWars? John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States. Link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_w9Vvk0C0" data-time=" Wait, were gonna need a military response in North Korea? I thought that was peaceful now? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006758] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Not_an_Owl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>A leading theory right now is that Iran has been resuming their weapons development in North Korean sites</quote> Where did you read this, InfoWars?</quote> John Bolton. Who has access to every piece of classified information available to the United States.</quote> Link?</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_w9Vvk0C0" data-time="</quote> Wait, were gonna need a military response in North Korea? I thought that was peaceful now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 3:03:35 PM #226:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. Fuck you, got mine. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901006837] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> Fuck you, got mine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 05/08/18 3:04:57 PM #227:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. I'm not an isolationist by any means. In fact my mantra is basically that trade can lead to world peace and that thats pretty much exactly the model we used in the Iran deal. They were engaging with the west, entering the common market and reaping the benefits of that association. The theocracy will end without us firing a shot the same way the Soviet Union did. 40 years of isolation didnt kill them but 5 years of openness did. Theres an object lesson there. Now you punch Iran in the nose and for what benefit? All that happens now is not only do they resume their nuclear programs, but so do Saudi Arabia and Israel. Its a an all-lose proposition. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:901006916] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> I'm not an isolationist by any means. In fact my mantra is basically that trade can lead to world peace and that thats pretty much exactly the model we used in the Iran deal. They were engaging with the west, entering the common market and reaping the benefits of that association. The theocracy will end without us firing a shot the same way the Soviet Union did. 40 years of isolation didnt kill them but 5 years of openness did. Theres an object lesson there. Now you punch Iran in the nose and for what benefit? All that happens now is not only do they resume their nuclear programs, but so do Saudi Arabia and Israel. Its a an all-lose proposition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro 05/08/18 3:05:23 PM #228:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. Fuck you, got mine. As has been mentioned - twice now - you're arguing with a psycopath that has no concept of what it means to be civilized. What did you expect? --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Regaro posted [p:901006944] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> Fuck you, got mine.</quote> As has been mentioned - twice now - you're arguing with a psycopath that has no concept of what it means to be civilized. What did you expect?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 05/08/18 3:05:56 PM #229:	I think those who want War with Iran should be the first boots on the ground over there. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:901006964] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>I think those who want War with Iran should be the first boots on the ground over there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/08/18 3:06:03 PM #230:	Anyway, it sounds like Iran is possibly willing to maintain the deal with Europe if sufficiently bribed by increased business deals In response, here's our new ambassador to Germany threatening our allies: https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/993924107212394496 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:901006967] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>Anyway, it sounds like Iran is possibly willing to maintain the deal with Europe if sufficiently bribed by increased business deals In response, here's our new ambassador to Germany threatening our allies: https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/993924107212394496</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/08/18 3:06:24 PM #231:	A good deal with NK: Kim Jong Un gets a private island somewhere beautiful with the title of emperor and ironclad security guarantees from the United States, and an annual allowance of $1 billion paid for by South Korea, plus a house on Nantucket and the Congressional Medal of Honor. He and Donald Trump jointly receive a Nobel Peace Prize. And.....complete reunification of Korea with free elections open to all (including KJU). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:901006985] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>A good deal with NK: Kim Jong Un gets a private island somewhere beautiful with the title of emperor and ironclad security guarantees from the United States, and an annual allowance of $1 billion paid for by South Korea, plus a house on Nantucket and the Congressional Medal of Honor. He and Donald Trump jointly receive a Nobel Peace Prize. And.....complete reunification of Korea with free elections open to all (including KJU).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 3:07:24 PM #232:	Regaro posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. Fuck you, got mine. As has been mentioned - twice now - you're arguing with a psycopath that has no concept of what it means to be civilized. What did you expect? He at least usually has sources so that I can understand how he came to his conclusion --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901007052] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Regaro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> Fuck you, got mine.</quote> As has been mentioned - twice now - you're arguing with a psycopath that has no concept of what it means to be civilized. What did you expect?</quote> He at least usually has sources so that I can understand how he came to his conclusion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/08/18 3:08:54 PM #233:	Jakyl25 posted... He at least usually has sources so that I can understand how he came to his conclusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4" data-time=" --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:901007136] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>He at least usually has sources so that I can understand how he came to his conclusion</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 3:09:30 PM #234:	Hey, just because his source didnt support his conclusion this time... --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901007168] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>Hey, just because his source didnt support his conclusion this time...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 05/08/18 3:12:24 PM #235:	I know what Jakyl means, though. There is a difference between understanding and agreeing. When Seph posts a source or explains his reasons, it's usually very easy to say "oh, I get it, you think this because you're a sociopath". Understanding that brings some closure and there's always a chance that his reasoning could actually have merit even if that hasn't happened yet, so it doesn't hurt to ask. --- https://i.imgur.com/WuDQzsc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:901007326] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>I know what Jakyl means, though. There is a difference between understanding and agreeing. When Seph posts a source or explains his reasons, it's usually very easy to say "oh, I get it, you think this because you're a sociopath". Understanding that brings some closure and there's always a chance that his reasoning could actually have merit even if that hasn't happened yet, so it doesn't hurt to ask.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/08/18 3:13:43 PM #236:	please tell me what source sephy came up with to support his "lasa has a mental disorder" conclusion. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:901007387] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>please tell me what source sephy came up with to support his "lasa has a mental disorder" conclusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/08/18 3:14:16 PM #237:	Mr Lasastryke posted... please tell me what source sephy came up with to support his "lasa has a mental disorder" conclusion. 4chan --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:901007418] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>please tell me what source sephy came up with to support his "lasa has a mental disorder" conclusion.</quote> 4chan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/08/18 3:14:23 PM #238:	Lasa please don't do this. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:901007426] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>Lasa please don't do this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 05/08/18 3:15:38 PM #239:	Sephy's sociopathic nature and hateful disgusting personality. Easy. --- https://i.imgur.com/WuDQzsc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:901007498] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>Sephy's sociopathic nature and hateful disgusting personality. Easy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 05/08/18 3:15:41 PM #240:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Lasa please don't do this. do what? disagree with people? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:901007503] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Lasa please don't do this.</quote> do what? disagree with people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 05/08/18 3:16:20 PM #241:	This topic getting baited by Seph is at least better than getting baited by Corrik Not that much better, though --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:901007544] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>This topic getting baited by Seph is at least better than getting baited by Corrik Not that much better, though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 05/08/18 3:16:58 PM #242:	KamikazePotato posted... This topic getting baited by Seph is at least better than getting baited by Corrik Not that much better, though Would you say that's the common opinion?? --- https://i.imgur.com/WuDQzsc_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:901007581] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote>This topic getting baited by Seph is at least better than getting baited by Corrik Not that much better, though</quote> Would you say that's the common opinion??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UInstinctGogeta 05/08/18 3:18:05 PM #243:	Jakyl25 posted... red sox 777 posted... There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." What is it now, bad cop, dumb cop? This was funny. Someone should give you props for it. <cite>UInstinctGogeta posted [p:901007656] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." </quote> What is it now, bad cop, dumb cop?</quote> This was funny. Someone should give you props for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 05/08/18 3:38:30 PM #244:	So what about a Hillary Clinton presidency would have been worse than this? --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:901008764] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>So what about a Hillary Clinton presidency would have been worse than this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 05/08/18 3:39:09 PM #245:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. Fuck you, got mine. The job of the president is to protect American citizens, not bring about world peace. The two usually go hand-in-hand, but if the choice is between having a relatively prosperous, educated civilization that is intent on destroying us with nuclear weapons or a barren, hapless skeleton of a country with no technological capabilities--then the president must choose the latter in every instance. Hopefully it doesn't come to such a black and white decision, but I am merely making this point to illustrate how flawed Eddv's argument is to a person with my moral/political (ie, correct) philosophy. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:901008805] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> Fuck you, got mine.</quote> The job of the president is to protect American citizens, not bring about world peace. The two usually go hand-in-hand, but if the choice is between having a relatively prosperous, educated civilization that is intent on destroying us with nuclear weapons or a barren, hapless skeleton of a country with no technological capabilities--then the president must choose the latter in every instance. Hopefully it doesn't come to such a black and white decision, but I am merely making this point to illustrate how flawed Eddv's argument is to a person with my moral/political (ie, correct) philosophy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/08/18 3:41:07 PM #246:	UInstinctGogeta posted... Jakyl25 posted... red sox 777 posted... There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." What is it now, bad cop, dumb cop? This was funny. Someone should give you props for it. I laughed at it. ~~It's actually dumb cop, corrupt cop though.~~ --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:901008924] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>UInstinctGogeta posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote> There's potentially an advantage to restoring Congress's role in diplomacy in that the US Congress has built up an international reputation for being unreasonable and ideologically driven, over the past 8 years, making it a great "bad cop" to the president's "good cop." </quote> What is it now, bad cop, dumb cop?</quote> This was funny. Someone should give you props for it.</quote> I laughed at it. It's actually dumb cop, corrupt cop though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 05/08/18 4:14:14 PM #247:	So there have been a lot of articles lately about Democrats becoming more liberal under Trump and well....I hadnt planned on voting this way til I showed up at the polls but I ended up voting for the more liberal candidate in all of the primaries just now. It just....feels like time to move things forward instead of fighting so hard for a flawed but comfortable status quo. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:901010598] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote>So there have been a lot of articles lately about Democrats becoming more liberal under Trump and well....I hadnt planned on voting this way til I showed up at the polls but I ended up voting for the more liberal candidate in all of the primaries just now. It just....feels like time to move things forward instead of fighting so hard for a flawed but comfortable status quo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 05/08/18 4:26:40 PM #248:	LordoftheMorons posted... The United States military played a huge role in containing the last ebola outbreak. There was a really good Pod Save the World where someone (I forget who) talked about how important it was that the Obama administration ignored the media hysteria and focused on getting the job done. One of the people fearmongering at the time was none other than, you guessed it, Donald Trump. So I guess what I'm saying is that I look forward to an Ebola epidemic to go along with the upcoming nuclear apocalypse! I wonder which is the more painful death --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:901011269] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>The United States military played a huge role in containing the last ebola outbreak. There was a really good Pod Save the World where someone (I forget who) talked about how important it was that the Obama administration ignored the media hysteria and focused on getting the job done. One of the people fearmongering at the time was none other than, you guessed it, Donald Trump. So I guess what I'm saying is that I look forward to an Ebola epidemic to go along with the upcoming nuclear apocalypse!</quote> I wonder which is the more painful death</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 05/08/18 4:32:04 PM #249:	Peace___Frog posted... LordoftheMorons posted... The United States military played a huge role in containing the last ebola outbreak. There was a really good Pod Save the World where someone (I forget who) talked about how important it was that the Obama administration ignored the media hysteria and focused on getting the job done. One of the people fearmongering at the time was none other than, you guessed it, Donald Trump. So I guess what I'm saying is that I look forward to an Ebola epidemic to go along with the upcoming nuclear apocalypse! I wonder which is the more painful death Probably Ebola. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:901011559] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peace___Frog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>The United States military played a huge role in containing the last ebola outbreak. There was a really good Pod Save the World where someone (I forget who) talked about how important it was that the Obama administration ignored the media hysteria and focused on getting the job done. One of the people fearmongering at the time was none other than, you guessed it, Donald Trump. So I guess what I'm saying is that I look forward to an Ebola epidemic to go along with the upcoming nuclear apocalypse!</quote> I wonder which is the more painful death</quote> Probably Ebola.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 05/08/18 4:33:26 PM #250:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Eddv posted... How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you. We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons. Fuck you, got mine. The job of the president is to protect American citizens, not bring about world peace. The two usually go hand-in-hand, but if the choice is between having a relatively prosperous, educated civilization that is intent on destroying us with nuclear weapons or a barren, hapless skeleton of a country with no technological capabilities--then the president must choose the latter in every instance. Hopefully it doesn't come to such a black and white decision, but I am merely making this point to illustrate how flawed Eddv's argument is to a person with my moral/political (ie, correct) philosophy. You are correct that the President's foremost job is to protect American citizens above all else. However, I am not sure scrapping that deal actually accomplishes that. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:901011624] in Politics C... [t:76575676]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>How the fuck is it 2018, 17ish years into the Afghan war with you still thinking blind regime change is a good idea. Just how fucking stupid are you.</quote> We are safer with 2018 Afghanistan and Iraq than we were with 2001 Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the only metric that matters. Turn Iran into a corrupt, impoverished wasteland for all I care as long as they are too poor and disorganized to create nuclear weapons.</quote> Fuck you, got mine.</quote> The job of the president is to protect American citizens, not bring about world peace. The two usually go hand-in-hand, but if the choice is between having a relatively prosperous, educated civilization that is intent on destroying us with nuclear weapons or a barren, hapless skeleton of a country with no technological capabilities--then the president must choose the latter in every instance. Hopefully it doesn't come to such a black and white decision, but I am merely making this point to illustrate how flawed Eddv's argument is to a person with my moral/political (ie, correct) philosophy.</quote> You are correct that the President's foremost job is to protect American citizens above all else. However, I am not sure scrapping that deal actually accomplishes that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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