Poll of the Day > Man, heroin dealers are the scum of the Earth.

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Just found out today that a good friend of mine from all the way back in middle school died over the weekend from a suspected heroin overdose. After this, Im with Trump on bringing the death penalty to these scumbag heroin dealers that cut their stuff with all types of bullshit. He left behind an 11yr old son and a lot of friends and family that will miss him.

So if you or anyone you know is using heroin, please tell them you love them and have them seek help. You could save a life and save a lot of heartache. Also narc the fuck out of any piece of shit heroin dealer. They deserve to rot in prison for destroying lives.

Damn pharmaceuticals and the war on drugs.
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The biggest dealer is big pharma since y'all 'muricans actually have for-profit medication
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Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/
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Sorry to hear about your friend
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we need to go back to poppy seed tea
the drug war xenophobia and opium wars made poppys seem more dangerous then they really are
some religions still have tea ceremonies with poppies and they used to be in folk songs in places like ukraine
the cartels import fent because if someone dies it makes their product appear strong
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Cacciato posted...

Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/

this.

he clearly did not give a fuck about his family.
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He should not have, but also it's stupid to say he didn't care about his family. Addictions are debilitating even when you're aware of what they're doing to you and your loved ones. Wouldn't call them addictions if you could just quit whenever you decided to.

He is ultimately at fault, but the initial decision is not reflective of the final consequence. Just shows he was stupid.
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Cacciato posted...

Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/

Look at Mr genius over here.
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Shrug, it's pretty hard not to know how things are going to end if you start taking heroin. It almost always affects other people if you do.

Everyone goes through bad parts of their life eventually, if you start taking heroin though......you are most likely going to negatively affect other people, maybe many other people.

So it's just plain a selfish decision.
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FellWolf posted...

Cacciato posted...

Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/

Look at Mr genius over here.

*waves*
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Guide posted...

He should not have, but also it's stupid to say he didn't care about his family. Addictions are debilitating even when you're aware of what they're doing to you and your loved ones. Wouldn't call them addictions if you could just quit whenever you decided to.

He is ultimately at fault, but the initial decision is not reflective of the final consequence. Just shows he was stupid.

the trick is to not do drugs in the first place, that way you don't get addicted.

to even choose to do drugs, any drugs, shows you do not care for your family, or yourself.
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You know, helly, I agree with you that drug use can often be a selfish choice, but you dont have to be a dick about it. I know for a fact that he cared very much for his son. He didnt have the intentions of dying, just a momentary escape and he got some cut bullshit from a scumbag that killed him.

JazzMasterZero posted...

just a momentary escape

that he cared about more than his son

JazzMasterZero posted...

he got some cut bullshit from a scumbag that killed him.

Not to make light of a tragedy, but getting a bad cut and ODing is more or less the #1 risk of using heroin. It's as much your friend's fault as the dealer's.
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JazzMasterZero posted...

You know, helly, I agree with you that drug use can often be a selfish choice, but you dont have to be a dick about it. I know for a fact that he cared very much for his son. He didnt have the intentions of dying, just a momentary escape and he got some cut bullshit from a scumbag that killed him.

yeah that doesn't matter.

he chose to do drugs over anything else.
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I've had a good friend and also my cousin die from heroin. I'm deeply saddened by both of their young deaths, but I don't blame their dealers. Both my cousin and friend made a series of bad choices, and it cost them their lives. Actually my friend who died, his dealer just died from an od about six months ago. A lot of people would call that karma. I'm simply saddened that another life was taken before they could straighten their life out.
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JazzMasterZero posted...

bringing the death penalty to these scumbag heroin dealers that cut their stuff with all types of bullshit.

That's still a bad idea.

Other countries successfully deal with drugs by watching them closely and helping addicts.

We can go all third world and kill drug dealers, then for every addict you save you kill some libertarian dealer who was someone's family.

US goes after drugs by locking up black people for smoking weed, because Nixon wanted to win re-election and he knew black people and hippies would never vote for him back in 1971.

Must be a bad week, eh? Just earlier your other friend was shot after you were arguing about gun control. Right.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

we need to go back to poppy seed tea
the drug war xenophobia and opium wars made poppys seem more dangerous then they really are
some religions still have tea ceremonies with poppies and they used to be in folk songs in places like ukraine
the cartels import fent because if someone dies it makes their product appear strong

Why must there be alternatives? Why can't we as a species just not engage in narcotics anymore? There is nothing beneficial about getting woozy, seeing stars and getting high. All you get after experiencing these hallucinations are a bunch of health complications.

some people have legit pain from all manner of things that won't get treated because of 'junkie addicts dur hur hur'
there has never been a society on planet earth that didn't use opiates or weed or mushrooms
plus aspirin doesn't do crap for my sunburn or sinus headaches i get from the dry air, i want the good shit
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Cacciato posted...

Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/

Can't dispute that... While substance abuse tends to be a symptom of deeper problems, there are fools who just think "duh, I want to do drugs" as well. I've seen some documentaries where there are understandable stories, like a kid who got into a bad car accident then became chemically dependent on the painkillers. The more surprising part was the people who were fucking stupid and thought it'd be fun then couldn't stop. They outnumbered the ones with justifiable logic.
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I want to do drugs

I just dont have money, dont know how to get them, and dont want to break laws
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Heroin is like the best of the drugs and works as an assistant of Darwin so really it's win-win.
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while drug dealers should be punished, they didn't force someone to use drugs
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RoboXgp89 posted...

some people have legit pain from all manner of things that won't get treated because of 'junkie addicts dur hur hur'
there has never been a society on planet earth that didn't use opiates or weed or mushrooms
plus aspirin doesn't do crap for my sunburn or sinus headaches i get from the dry air, i want the good shit

1. use sunscreen
2. if you get burned use aloe vera
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sunscreen doesn't help when i have to re-apply it every few hours because it sweats off
and aloe vera doesn't help the burn last for weeks
i was kind of over exaggerating to make a point tho
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His choice...his fault. Can't blame the drug dealer. Thats like blaming grocery stores for selling high salty foods and people having heart attacks.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

sunscreen doesn't help when i have to re-apply it every few hours because it sweats off
and aloe vera doesn't help the burn last for weeks
i was kind of over exaggerating to make a point tho

they have sweat resistant sunscreen
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Legalize it.
Junkies end up dead when they forcibly get clean, relapse, and not realize their tolerance has eroded in the meantime. Or, they gotten some fentanyl-laced shit out of the back of someone's car.

The war on drugs is a societal failure to address a complicated problem. Further criminalization and drastic punishments will not address the systematic issues. They will continue to target low-income and minority groups disproportionately to the rest of the population.

I'm sorry about your friend and his family. Addiction needs to be treated as a health concern instead of solely a criminal one if we seriously want to reduce the costs to society.
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helIy posted...

Guide posted...

He should not have, but also it's stupid to say he didn't care about his family. Addictions are debilitating even when you're aware of what they're doing to you and your loved ones. Wouldn't call them addictions if you could just quit whenever you decided to.

He is ultimately at fault, but the initial decision is not reflective of the final consequence. Just shows he was stupid.

the trick is to not do drugs in the first place, that way you don't get addicted.

to even choose to do drugs, any drugs, shows you do not care for your family, or yourself.

If you've ever taken a drink of alcohol then you've done a drug. People who get into serious injuries are also prescribed opiates not knowing how addictive they can be. It's not always as simple as "dont do drugs" especially in our society.

cant buy drugs if theirs no one to buy drugs from.
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ArvTheGreat posted...

cant buy drugs if theirs no one to buy drugs from.

Yet, people will still find ways to get fucked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choking_game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipped-cream_charger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhalant

Questionmarktarius posted...

ArvTheGreat posted...

cant buy drugs if theirs no one to buy drugs from.

Yet, people will still find ways to get fucked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choking_game
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipped-cream_charger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhalant

Banana oil is illegal in the US because it's a hallucinogen.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

The war on drugs is a societal failure to address a complicated problem. Further criminalization and drastic punishments will not address the systematic issues. They will continue to target low-income and minority groups disproportionately to the rest of the population.

I'm sorry about your friend and his family. Addiction needs to be treated as a health concern instead of solely a criminal one if we seriously want to reduce the costs to society.

Absolutely correct. The drug war is a failed policy perpetuated by certain powerful interests who make huge money from civil asset forfeiture. Treating addiction is both far more humane and less costly than building more prisons and paying to lock people up. America, the supposed "land of the free," incarcerates more people per capita than the likes of Russia or China. Not only does that fail to solve the underlying problem, the human and economic toll is enormous. People in jail lose their jobs and can't provide for their dependents, which costs even more taxpayer money. Families suffer and fall apart. Even when they're released, they struggle to readjust and find work, leading many to relapse or become drug dealers themselves. Even if people wanted to seek out help for illegal substance use, many don't for fear of going to jail. I seriously drove by a billboard once with two signs: the top one asked if you needed help with addiction, the bottom one asked you to report anyone taking illegal drugs. Who in their right mind would call the first number with that second sign right underneath it? Drug use needs to be decriminalized and treated as the health problem it is.

The irony of the drug war is that Schedule 1 drugs are placed there because they have no medicinal value, yet pretty much every anesthetic is derived from opiates or the coca plant.
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the irony comparing plants with heroin and cocaine
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RoboXgp89 posted...

the irony comparing plants with heroin and cocaine

How is this ironic?

you can make anything dangerous if you extract x & y from it
you can make air dangerous if you separate the oxygen molecule from carbon dioxide
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RoboXgp89 posted...

you can make anything dangerous if you extract x & y from it
certain plants might not kill you but if you eat all of their leaves you'll get poisened

Yeah? That's how things work.
I don't understand your point.
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It's like one person making craft beer and the other making moonshine
two different things
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Moonshine is also perfectly legal.

I still don't get it.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Moonshine is also perfectly legal.

I still don't get it.

they group them on the same schedule dude
it'd take acres and acres of those plants to make a small amount of a banned drug
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Rasmoh posted...

JazzMasterZero posted...

he got some cut bullshit from a scumbag that killed him.

Not to make light of a tragedy, but getting a bad cut and ODing is more or less the #1 risk of using heroin. It's as much your friend's fault as the dealer's.

Getting a bad cut and ODing wouldn't be a risk at all if not for shady dealers. Another reason to legalize and control all drugs.
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Cacciato posted...

Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/

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Cacciato posted...

Maybe he just shouldnt have done heroin :/

Honestly, this. Im not trying to sound like a douche, but its kind of your friends own fault for getting involved with that shit in the first place.

Its really not that difficult to just say no...
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Most people don't just try heroin. It was offered to me once when I was 20 during my age of Aquarius and I turned it down.

Many heroin addicts and first time users have a preexisting opiate addiction due to be prescription medication being over-prescribed and lack of ensuring patients don't over use or that they have support once their prescriptions are over.

While many heroin dealers could be terrible people, the fact is they are filling a niche. People will always want to get high, buzzed, etc., so we should at least have safe and controlled ways to do so legally.
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Meanwhile the FDA has their sights on kratom, which is a much safer, 100% natural, alternative to opiates and something that actually helps people recover from opiate addiction.
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A lot of people in this topic are passing judgment on an issue they don't seem to understand. Not everyone who dabbles in drugs winds up an addict, same as some people can have a social drink no problem but others who do end up becoming alcoholics. Science doesn't know why some people get hooked and others don't, but research has ruled out moral weakness and lack of willpower as the answer. Some people can take painkillers for an injury and stop eventually, while others get hooked. Some people can experiment with recreational drugs for fun and stop, while others get hooked. Some people are emotionally suffering so much they need a temporary escape, but for others it stops being temporary. There are many reasons why people end up addicted to drugs, but I doubt that many of them went in fully expecting to become addicts.

rexcrk posted...

Its really not that difficult to just say no...

Maybe for you it's not difficult, but you're not other people. Do you have any idea what it feels like to be suffering unbearably, then you swallow a magic pill and it all just melts away? Let's say you were struggling with weight loss for medical reasons, and someone says to you, "It's your own fault you're fat. It's not that hard to lose weight, just eat less and exercise more." How would that make you feel?

the only reason kratom is safe is because you'd get sick if you tried to get high on it
drinking 3 beers is easier than eating kratom, you wont accidently choke to death either