Current Events > Okay this is what they should have done with The Last Jedi...

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Keep Snoke alive. Reveal he's Darth Plagueis. Keep Luke Alive. Have Kylo turn good. Rey and Kylo fight Darth Plagueis but lose and barely manage to escape.

Then Luke joins them and they team up against Darth Plagueis in episode 9.
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Aka, make it predictable as fuck, then all the fans would bitch that it was too predictable. Got it.

Not being harsh, just honest.
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i dont like it
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I agree that definitely would have been a much better movie.

But also that's basically what everyone expected to happen going in. Granted, I'd rather have predictability than the embarrassing collection of scenes they gave us, but then it'd fall into TFA levels of hate, where people acknowledge that it's a competently made movie, but was too predictable and added nothing new.
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I'm completely aware it's a predictable plot. But this subversion for subversion's sake that we really got is just terrible.
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I guess with that kind of OP we don't have to worry about spoilers here?...

-GalacticBass- posted...

Keep Snoke alive. Reveal he's Darth Plagueis.

Even though they shot this down before the movie was even released, I agree.

Keep Luke Alive.

Again, I agree.

Have Kylo turn good. Rey and Kylo fight Darth Plagueis but lose and barely manage to escape.

No. I'm sick of villains being redeemed just because they were once good. Have a guy who started good but was irreversibly corrupted for once. Kylo's just right for the job, he's already a patricide and tinkering with his backstory with Luke(instead of what we were actually given) can make him even more villainous.

Doesn't matter though because that is exactly what's going to happen in Ep. 9 now anyway. You can bet that Kylo's gonna be a good guy at that movie's end whatever happens.

For the latter part, the role of minorly clashing with Plagueis with Rey but losing and escaping should be Old Luke's.

Then Luke joins them and they team up against Darth Plagueis in episode 9.

Yep, that's the point.
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No. I'm sick of villains being redeemed just because they were once good. Have a guy who started good but was irreversibly corrupted for once. Kylo's just right for the job, he's already a patricide and tinkering with his backstory with Luke(instead of what we were actually given) can make him even more villainous.

For the latter part, the role of minorly clashing with Plagueis with Rey but losing and escaping should be Old Luke's.

I'm okay with this too.
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Here's an idea....
Ok, just stay with me...
Obi-wan faked his death and comes back to assist Luke. Darth Vader is resurrected by Kylo Ren through the force. Darth and Kylo have different opinions and a light saber battle ensues. Darth wins by wounding Kylo. Kylo flees. Chewie blows some shit up in the falcon, like BOOM!
Meanwhile, Obi-wan and darth have a second match off, but they both decide that Snoke is the real bad dude and team up with Luke to defeat him.
Chewie is still blowing shit up while darth Vader, Luke, and Obi-wan are fighting Snoke.
It's a hard fight, Snoke seems overwhelmed, but eventually escapes in a tie fighter while the other 3 fight off his guards and a shit ton of storm trooper dudes.
Chewie blows more shit up......and the saga continues
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nevershine posted...

Here's an idea....
Ok, just stay with me...
Obi-wan faked his death and comes back to assist Luke. Darth Vader is resurrected by Kylo Ren through the force. Darth and Kylo have different opinions and a light saber battle ensues. Darth wins by wounding Kylo. Kylo flees. Chewie blows some shit up in the falcon, like BOOM!
Meanwhile, Obi-wan and darth have a second match off, but they both decide that Snoke is the real bad dude and team up with Luke to defeat him.
Chewie is still blowing shit up while darth Vader, Luke, and Obi-wan are fighting Snoke.
It's a hard fight, Snoke seems overwhelmed, but eventually escapes in a tie fighter while the other 3 fight off his guards and a shit ton of storm trooper dudes.
Chewie blows more shit up......and the saga continues

Give this man a job as a writer, Disney.

This is a helluva lot better than the real Ep. 8.
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Distant_Rainbow posted...

nevershine posted...

Here's an idea....
Ok, just stay with me...
Obi-wan faked his death and comes back to assist Luke. Darth Vader is resurrected by Kylo Ren through the force. Darth and Kylo have different opinions and a light saber battle ensues. Darth wins by wounding Kylo. Kylo flees. Chewie blows some shit up in the falcon, like BOOM!
Meanwhile, Obi-wan and darth have a second match off, but they both decide that Snoke is the real bad dude and team up with Luke to defeat him.
Chewie is still blowing shit up while darth Vader, Luke, and Obi-wan are fighting Snoke.
It's a hard fight, Snoke seems overwhelmed, but eventually escapes in a tie fighter while the other 3 fight off his guards and a shit ton of storm trooper dudes.
Chewie blows more shit up......and the saga continues

Give this man a job as a writer, Disney.

This is a helluva lot better than the real Ep. 8.

and it's so stupid that the same crowd who loved TLJ bc it "subverted exceptions" would still be on board!
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It'd work and I'd make millions
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I would have loved if Kylo and Rey were like, "You know what fuck it. Fuck all of this. Fuck this war. Fuck the the First Order, fuck the Resistance, fuck the Jedis, fuck the Dark side, fuck these labels that's expected of us. We're the most powerful beings in the Galaxy."

And they run off together and learn from one another together about their powers rather than being caught up with the First Order and the Resistance.

And I guess the next movie would them working together and growing close u der the radar while everyone else is trying to find them or some shit.
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Kitt posted...

I would have loved if Kylo and Rey were like, "You know what fuck it. Fuck all of this. Fuck this war. Fuck the the First Order, fuck the Resistance, fuck the Jedis, fuck the Dark side, fuck these labels that's expected of us. We're the most powerful beings in the Galaxy."

And they run off together and learn from one another together about their powers rather than being caught up with the First Order and the Resistance.

But do they get it on?!
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bulletproofvita posted...

Kitt posted...

I would have loved if Kylo and Rey were like, "You know what fuck it. Fuck all of this. Fuck this war. Fuck the the First Order, fuck the Resistance, fuck the Jedis, fuck the Dark side, fuck these labels that's expected of us. We're the most powerful beings in the Galaxy."

And they run off together and learn from one another together about their powers rather than being caught up with the First Order and the Resistance.

But do they get it on?!

They'd have to at that point
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I think just a few changes would have made it tolerable. Fest of all, Holdo should tell the main groups what her plan is, but have Finn and Poe disagree because they'd be easily detected by the approaching ships and trapped in the stronghold, which leads to their side story. Finn and Rose aren't idiots and park somewhere else, the trouble begins when Rose sneaks off to free the slave kids and they're forced to flee with the help of the fake code breaker guy. As for the ending, I think the How It Should Have Ended YouTube video nailed that part.
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nevershine posted...

Here's an idea....
Ok, just stay with me...
Obi-wan faked his death and comes back to assist Luke. Darth Vader is resurrected by Kylo Ren through the force. Darth and Kylo have different opinions and a light saber battle ensues. Darth wins by wounding Kylo. Kylo flees. Chewie blows some shit up in the falcon, like BOOM!
Meanwhile, Obi-wan and darth have a second match off, but they both decide that Snoke is the real bad dude and team up with Luke to defeat him.
Chewie is still blowing shit up while darth Vader, Luke, and Obi-wan are fighting Snoke.
It's a hard fight, Snoke seems overwhelmed, but eventually escapes in a tie fighter while the other 3 fight off his guards and a shit ton of storm trooper dudes.
Chewie blows more shit up......and the saga continues

lolwut
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Oh wait, I forgot to add
Rey and Finn are like, on some secret mission or some shit, so they're only in the movie for like.....2 mins
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Where's the Porgs! I mean what the hell is this!!?
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It was a decent popcorn flick

What more do you expect from Hollymoney
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bulletproofvita posted...

Where's the Porgs! I mean what the hell is this!!?

There's gonna be a short, but epic battle between them and the ewoks.
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nevershine posted...

bulletproofvita posted...

Where's the Porgs! I mean what the hell is this!!?

There's gonna be a short, but epic battle between them and the ewoks.

I'm relieved now.
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besides the terrible pacing/characterization/writing/etc issues TLJ had (that are just standard movie problems), my biggest complaint with TLJ was the lack of scope and mythology.

For scope, it didn't feel like Star Wars, more like a disagreement between two groups of people on two ships. There's no scale of the universe, no grand scheme of things, nothing at stake besides people in Ship A winning or people in Ship B winning. For a space opera kind of movie that is a huge negative.

Mythology wise I wish there was more lore for the Jedi order, the Sith, really anything like that. By turning being a Jedi into basically a Disney platitude ("the strength was always in you!" kind of bullshit), it takes out a lot of the mystery, excitement, and connection to older Star Wars movies that being a Jedi had. Tbh in TLJ it feels like being a Jedi just means having the power to move a few rocks without having to physically pick them up.

I wish we had learned more about Snoke, for example. Who the hell is he? How does he have these Sith powers? etc

God I hated TLJ
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-GalacticBass- posted...

Reveal he's Darth Plagueis.

Look the movie had problems but "didn't agree with my/the Internet's Revenge of the Sith tie-in fan fiction" isn't one of them.

Anyway, what they should have done was cut most of the film, save the 20-30 minutes that mattered (Luke, Rey, Kylo stuff) and put it into Episode 9. Which I guess would then be episode 8. I get that trilogies make more money but there just wasn't enough story to tell in 8 to make a whole movie. Hence why the major conflict of the story is that the rebels are running out of gas and bad at communicating.
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Thank God TC is not a writer for Star Wars.
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What they should have done is scrap TFA entirely, give us a movie which purpose isnt "lets just do the OT again", and then have a creative team behind the second movie that isnt going to piss all over everything the first movie set up.

TLJ is bad. It tries to be dark and serious, but all of its attempts at complexity ring hollow because it never lets its cast face any real consequences. Oh, except for killing off a bunch of faceless Rebels that literally nobody cares about. Despite its theme being "failure", they still end up winning at the end. Except for the climax, they consistently make TFO look like clowns. And every real "failure" is the result of something stupid like invalid parking, or two grown military adults acting like petty high schoolers.

But even that might be overlooked if anything Abrams "dick in a mystery box" movie got to resolve anything interesting it set up. "Who are Reys parents?" Dont care who, but they are clearly set up to not be "nobodies". "Why does Rey have visions when she touches the lightsaber?" Due to the lack of time skip, Kylo's promised training gets thrown out the window. Knights of Ren? Who?

Oh, also remember that Rey's Mary Sue problems come from an overlooked plot point. After she aced the dogfight in the beginning, she admits to Finn "I didnt know I could do that!" Her sudden force powers are the "awakening". But, like most things Abrams set up, arent addressed.

Luke Skywalker's arc is also unsatisfying. This is the last time we'll get to see Mark Hamill reprise his role, and "force hologram" is an incredibly underhwhelming power that doesnt deserve the gravitas its given.

And then theres Finn, whose character arc from VII is tweaked and recycled for the next movie. We already watched him "stop running away and think about others". It was boring watching him go through basically the same arc.

Rose wasnt awful, but she wasnt important either and sucked away valuable screen time from literally everyone else who needed it more.

And then there's Holdo, who the movie cant decide is a bitchy plot device or sympathetic leader. And I feel absolutely nothing for her the entire film.

The movie does almost nothing right, because its too afraid to make its themes mean anything, and doesnt want to respect the setup before it.
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AlisLandale posted...

What they should have done is scrap TFA entirely, give us a movie which purpose isnt "lets just do the OT again", and then have a creative team behind the second movie that isnt going to piss all over everything the first movie set up.

TLJ is bad. It tries to be dark and serious, but all of its attempts at complexity ring hollow because it never lets its cast face any real consequences. Oh, except for killing off a bunch of faceless Rebels that literally nobody cares about. Despite its theme being "failure", they still end up winning at the end. Except for the climax, they consistently make TFO look like clowns. And every real "failure" is the result of something stupid like invalid parking, or two grown military adults acting like petty high schoolers.

But even that might be overlooked if anything Abrams "dick in a mystery box" movie got to resolve anything interesting it set up. "Who are Reys parents?" Dont care who, but they are clearly set up to not be "nobodies". "Why does Rey have visions when she touches the lightsaber?" Due to the lack of time skip, Kylo's promised training gets thrown out the window. Knights of Ren? Who?

Oh, also remember that Rey's Mary Sue problems come from an overlooked plot point. After she aced the dogfight in the beginning, she admits to Finn "I didnt know I could do that!" Her sudden force powers are the "awakening". But, like most things Abrams set up, arent addressed.

Luke Skywalker's arc is also unsatisfying. This is the last time we'll get to see Mark Hamill reprise his role, and "force hologram" is an incredibly underhwhelming power that doesnt deserve the gravitas its given.

And then theres Finn, whose character arc from VII is tweaked and recycled for the next movie. We already watched him "stop running away and think about others". It was boring watching him go through basically the same arc.

Rose wasnt awful, but she wasnt important either and sucked away valuable screen time from literally everyone else who needed it more.

And then there's Holdo, who the movie cant decide is a bitchy plot device or sympathetic leader. And I feel absolutely nothing for her the entire film.

The movie does almost nothing right, because its too afraid to make its themes mean anything, and doesnt want to respect the setup before it.

Yikes
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It's one of those rare golden topics where message board posters think they're both professional critics and hollywood-caliber screenwriters.
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masterpug53 posted...

It's one of those rare golden topics where message board posters think they're both professional critics and hollywood-caliber screenwriters.

You're speaking too highly of "Hollywood-caliber" screenwriters.
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Kitt posted...

masterpug53 posted...

It's one of those rare golden topics where message board posters think they're both professional critics and hollywood-caliber screenwriters.

You're speaking too highly of "Hollywood-caliber" screenwriters.

You sure about that? But regardless of how low or high that bar actually is, no one in this topic's yet managed to get a fingerhold on it.
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masterpug53 posted...

Kitt posted...

masterpug53 posted...

It's one of those rare golden topics where message board posters think they're both professional critics and hollywood-caliber screenwriters.

You're speaking too highly of "Hollywood-caliber" screenwriters.

You sure about that? But regardless of how low or high that bar actually is, no one in this topic's yet managed to get a fingerhold on it.

Pshh says you
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Kitt posted...

masterpug53 posted...

It's one of those rare golden topics where message board posters think they're both professional critics and hollywood-caliber screenwriters.

You're speaking too highly of "Hollywood-caliber" screenwriters.

Lol true. "Hollywood-caliber" just means it's slightly above a middle school play in terms of writing.

Ever seen a Tyler Perry movie? If you have you'd know this, if you haven't, count your blessings lol.
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masterpug53 posted...

Kitt posted...

masterpug53 posted...

It's one of those rare golden topics where message board posters think they're both professional critics and hollywood-caliber screenwriters.

You're speaking too highly of "Hollywood-caliber" screenwriters.

You sure about that?

Yes.

But regardless of how low or high that bar actually is, no one in this topic's yet managed to get a fingerhold on it.

That shouldn't be a reason why people can't toss around their own ideas, good or bad. It's just fun for the most part.
I mean, I love movies so much, I study stuff like screenwriting and such at school and at home in my spare time. To me, it's just nice and fun to talk about stuff like this with other people who enjoy that medium.
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