Poll of the Day > We can beat the government, and here's why

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This is by far the most important thread I've ever made. So if there is any thread of mine to read, it is this one.

I've seen people convinced that conflict against the government is impossible. I'm here to prove you wrong.

The fact of the matter is that the government depends on the people and not the other way around. The government depends on people's labor, it depends on people willing to be governed. This is a huge advantage and also why peaceful resistance works when executed properly. Because anyone they kill is a loss to them. You're their capital, you're the reason they can exist at all.

Because at the end of the day, government requires your consent. Because they can arrest you or even kill you, but they can never force you to work for them. A government without subjects is just a bunch of shouting old men and some parchment.

Additionally, by necessity there will always be far more people than the government. Human capital is the most valuable capital as it turns out and if you get most people on your side it is almost a sure victory. While the government may have things like drones, planes, tanks, etc... it doesn't change that infantry defines warfare. Vietnam beat the US military in spite of vastly inferior technology. Insurgents in the middle east are STILL kicking in spite of being woefully underequipped. We have even more advantages than that, being a country that is armed to the teeth.

I am not saying we should go to war with the government, but there may come a day when it becomes necessary. We can do it.

VioletZer0 posted...

Because they can arrest you or even kill you, but they can never force you to work for them.

Often it's an aversion to those threats which motivates people to comply. Conflicts with the government arise either under the condition that the government is unable to effectively carry out those threats, or when the threat posed by compliance matches that of losing such a conflict anyway.
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VioletZer0 posted...

This is by far the most important thread I've ever made. So if there is any thread of mine to read, it is this one.

Shut the fuck up.
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Cacciato posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

This is by far the most important thread I've ever made. So if there is any thread of mine to read, it is this one.

Shut the fuck up.

LOL ifknr?

Who does this kid think he is

My goodness
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Huh, never thought you were this dumb.
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What's with crazy gun nuts and their obsessions with imaginary tyrants?
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If everyone took two weeks off work at the same time, that would do some damage. If we all applied for welfare and just stopped working, the entire system would collapse.
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VioletZer0 posted...

This is by far the most important thread I've ever made.

And I didn't read it? Such a shame.
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This is the "slaves could have chosen death" argument...
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VeeVees posted...

What's with crazy gun nuts and their obsessions with imaginary tyrants?

Ironic considering how America was founded on shooting at imaginary tyrants.
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Good luck with the power fantasies. I'm sure they're a real panty dropper.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

VeeVees posted...

What's with crazy gun nuts and their obsessions with imaginary tyrants?

Ironic considering how America was founded on shooting at imaginary tyrants.

Still salty?
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FatalAccident posted...

Cacciato posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

This is by far the most important thread I've ever made. So if there is any thread of mine to read, it is this one.

Shut the fuck up.

LOL ifknr?

Who does this kid think he is

My goodness. Dude really needs to check his ego fr

This isn't an ego thing, it really is important to understand if you don't want to live under tyrannical rule...

If what I say isn't true, then we are completely doomed and absolutely nothing we do matters.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

Because they can arrest you or even kill you, but they can never force you to work for them.

Often it's an aversion to those threats which motivates people to comply. Conflicts with the government arise either under the condition that the government is unable to effectively carry out those threats, or when the threat posed by compliance matches that of losing such a conflict anyway.

Compliance with the government is enabling the brutality to happen.

Therefore, complying with a government that commits murder is committing murder yourself.

Can you live with committing murder?

Didnt read, you're dumb.
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VeeVees posted...

What's with crazy gun nuts and their obsessions with imaginary tyrants?

Because we know real tyranny still exists, and any government has the capacity to usurp its people.

This isn't imaginary. Kim Jong Un is still around. Dictators in Africa and the Middle East are still around. Venezuela is still happening.

Not sure why, but I felt I should post this here.


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EvilMegas posted...

Didnt read, you're dumb.

Bless your heart TC.
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VioletZer0 posted...

Because they can arrest you or even kill you, but they can never force you to work for them.

Yeah, the prisoners in concentration camps during the Holocaust definitely weren't subjected to forced labor under threat of death or injury.

Or you know... Any number of other examples over the history of human interaction.
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VioletZer0 posted...

This is by far the most important thread I've ever made.

Ouch, setting a pretty low bar with the first sentence eh?
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VioletZer0 posted...

This isn't an ego thing, it really is important to understand if you don't want to live under tyrannical rule...

important to understand that this is the most important topic youve ever made?

lol talk about stroking your epeen

check ur ego kid fr nobody cares about your "important" topics
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My 2 cents


Not even gonna read the other posts. I know you (Violet) are a troll, but you are actually right, surprisingly. In order for the world to change people will need to stop feeding what is causing harm, and that is this entire broken system we have in place

Peaceful resistance is also the best way. Government isn't really the issue but the fact that people act as if these imaginary barriers (impeachment, laws, etc) prevent them from getting those in power to change. People don't bother trying due to fear, whether it be losing money, assets, their live, etc

It's no argument that people can literally change the world right this moment, but many (I want to emphasize many) are so content with their situation or afraid of actually trying to change the system their in

For every dollar you lose not working a day, those in charge lose much more. This isn't some hippy or crazed idea, it is the truth

All I can recommend is just do bare minimum to live and enjoy life. You cannot change the world on your own. A guy literally killed himself in front of the white house but nobody even bothered to think about why he did it. Everyone just looks like sheep to be honest, and no I am not saying I'm any better
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VioletZer0 posted...

This is by far the most important thread I've ever made.

Already I feel like this topic wasn't made with the most genuine of intentions...
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VioletZer0 posted...

Compliance with the government is enabling the brutality to happen.

I don't see any brutality happening in my immediate vicinity.

VioletZer0 posted...

Therefore, complying with a government that commits murder is committing murder yourself.

I don't agree with this premise.
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myghostisdead posted...

Bless your heart TC.

Yes, bless it to the max.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I don't see any brutality happening in my immediate vicinity.

Come on, man. Dont be that guy. Not in this bad topic.
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mastermix3000 posted...

Peaceful resistance is also the best way.

I agree, but that is obviously just a starting point. Some governments will care, others will not.

If they attack peaceful protesters we need to move on to armed revolution.

I give up.

When the government laughs in your stupid faces for complaining about "infringement of muh rights" you should know you have no one but yourselves to blame for giving them that power to begin with.

VeeVees posted...

What's with crazy gun nuts and their obsessions with imaginary tyrants?

I'm sorry but you don't write well enough for me to read your original post, good luck with your revolution though

There will be probably just be a new political party coming out of this that will keep people happy.
It may take 5 years, but that's what's most likely going to happen.
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OhhhJa posted...

VeeVees posted...

What's with crazy gun nuts and their obsessions with imaginary tyrants?

Those people are all on the same side tho...
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This may blow your mind, but the government is actually run by people. I know, crazy shit
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You can't fight city hall.
You can't beat corporate america
They are big and we are small
You can't fight city hall
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VioletZer0 posted...

I give up.

As you should

I'll PM you a book I read, I think it would help you "understand"

Also, once you read it don't go around talking about it <.<
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"Do this work or I will torture you and kill your family"

And that's how the government forced you to work.

Yes there will be people that still refuse to work, and get tortured and their families killed, but that just leaves you with a willing population.
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mastermix3000 posted...

My 2 cents


Not even gonna read the other posts. I know you (Violet) are a troll, but you are actually right, surprisingly. In order for the world to change people will need to stop feeding what is causing harm, and that is this entire broken system we have in place

Peaceful resistance is also the best way. Government isn't really the issue but the fact that people act as if these imaginary barriers (impeachment, laws, etc) prevent them from getting those in power to change. People don't bother trying due to fear, whether it be losing money, assets, their live, etc

It's no argument that people can literally change the world right this moment, but many (I want to emphasize many) are so content with their situation or afraid of actually trying to change the system their in

For every dollar you lose not working a day, those in charge lose much more. This isn't some hippy or crazed idea, it is the truth

All I can recommend is just do bare minimum to live and enjoy life. You cannot change the world on your own. A guy literally killed himself in front of the white house but nobody even bothered to think about why he did it. Everyone just looks like sheep to be honest, and no I am not saying I'm any better

A tyrannically government would just murder peaceful resistance.

People can change the system, but it could take a lifetime.

If I didn't work at my job for a day, my company wouldn't even notice. In fact, if I just up and disappeared, my job would be done by others and I would just be replaced. Most employees are easily replaceable.

I guess i can agree with this last statement.
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Say we do beat the government, then what? Start over with a new country? New constitution? True tyranny? Would we completely reorganize the whole governmental system, and how long to decide that when were so fractured anyways that we dont get meaningful things accomplished as it is?

Oh wait, its not going to happen anyways so who gives a shit.
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Same thing we did last time, get our best political scholars to write a new constitution, which would mostly be a carbon copy of the old one save for a few changes like the 13th amendment so to ban prison slavery.

Because they can arrest you or even kill you, but they can never force you to work for them.

How do you think totalitarian dictatorships behave? They MIGHT try to cajole people into working with rewards, but if that doesn't get the desired solution, it's "Well, let's see how you feel if it's your sibling/mate/child's life at stake."
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Then you're working to kill other families.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Not sure why, but I felt I should post this here.

I work at a supermarket, and it's pathetic how much food we waste.

It's past its sell-by date, it goes in the trash. No exceptions. Taking anything is actually considered stealing.
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Those that have lost the desire to stand up and say enough is enough, are the same people that constantly try to drag others down.

They are the chaff. I am the wheat.
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VioletZer0 posted...

Same thing we did last time, get our best political scholars to write a new constitution, which would mostly be a carbon copy of the old one save for a few changes like the 13th amendment so to ban prison slavery.

Authored by such brilliant minds as Ben Shapiro, John Oliver and Jordon Peterson
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Blightzkrieg posted...

VioletZer0 posted...

Same thing we did last time, get our best political scholars to write a new constitution, which would mostly be a carbon copy of the old one save for a few changes like the 13th amendment so to ban prison slavery.

Authored by such brilliant minds as Ben Shapiro, John Oliver and Jordon Peterson

Jordan Peterson is definitely smarter than you are

VioletZer0 posted...

Same thing we did last time, get our best political scholars to write a new constitution, which would mostly be a carbon copy of the old one save for a few changes like the 13th amendment so to ban prison slavery.

So what would be different? You really think the political parties would shift in any significant way? The whole burn it down to rebuild it thing is garbage; nothing would change. The rich would still have their money and power intact, the media would still be the same stupid manipulative media, and theres always the possibility wed end up in a far worse situation, like true tyranny.

To truly break what we have now would require removal (and exile) of most current politicians AND corporate leaders. Not happening.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

Ben Shapiro

You did not just say that

Did you just say that? Are you serious?
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