Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Rage on Behalf of the Machine [dwmf]

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foolm0r0n
04/01/18 11:41:43 PM
#201:


HotDogButts posted...
I would still be on alert if I came across a white man as well, but less so.

Why though?

The place is 99% black. If the black murder rates are less than 100x the amount of white murder rates, the white man you encounter is literally a higher risk statistically. And even if the ratio of murders is higher than 100x, you're still talking about a white man living among 99% blacks in a violent area. They must be extremely feared professionals who cover their tracks. i.e.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYzXoIF1JjE" data-time="


That's the fallacy of stats-based morality. You can always find SOME interpretation of data that suits your conclusion. It's pure subjectivity disguised as objectivity (very popular among us internet "intellectuals", e.g. metacritic). A statistical interpretation is ONLY valid when there are no other logical interpretations. Otherwise you are just as much a slave to your lizard brain impulses as ulti.

The worst thing is you BELIEVE you're being hyper rational and objective so you totally close your mind off to introspection and self improvement
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foolm0r0n
04/01/18 11:44:51 PM
#202:


HotDogButts posted...
At 2AM, with no one else on the street, alone, the rational decision is the side with the white man

I guess what I meant to ask was - would you be equally on guard walking by the white man vs walking by the black man?

(also the right answer was you walk down a different fucking road cuz either of those dudes could kill you)

HotDogButts posted...
And yes, sometimes race plays a part in that

And why is it so hard to admit that's racist?
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HotDogButts
04/01/18 11:45:49 PM
#203:


Why though?

The place is 99% black.


Uh, lol? You said it's 50/50 black white with black men committing 70% crime white men 30%.

That's basic probability, that's why.
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TheRock1525
04/01/18 11:47:51 PM
#204:


foolm0r0n posted...
And why is it so hard to admit that's racist?


I think this is always my point of confusion. If you behave differently around strangers for any reason based on skin color, it's inherently racist.
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foolm0r0n
04/01/18 11:48:43 PM
#205:


HotDogButts posted...
Uh, lol? You said it's 50/50 black white with black men committing 70% crime white men 30%.

You posted that quote before I edited in my 50/50 scenario
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Inviso
04/01/18 11:59:30 PM
#206:


The problem is that every person is the main character of their own life, and most people don't believe themselves to be the villain. At worst, they are the anti-hero (a la Walter White) going up against a greater evil. This is why they either make up "both sides" narratives so that, even though they're doing bad things, it's not as bad as the guys they're up against. Or...they justify their bad actions as not being bad at all for one reason or another. And the problem comes when one "side", whether they want to admit it or not, is actively more malicious than the other. In order to maintain that "both sides are bad/we're the good guys" mentality, you need to demonize you opponent by calling them baby-killers, or demonize survivors of a school shooting by comparing them to Nazis. No introspection. That would mean considering the possibility that you're the bad guy, or at least that you support the ideals of bad guys.
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HotDogButts
04/02/18 12:00:09 AM
#207:


foolm0r0n posted...
And why is it so hard to admit that's racist?


racism
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noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms:racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.


Because it's not about other races being superior. Or about all members of that race possess characteristics specific to that race. It's because people of that specific race commit a lot of violence in that specific area.

Take two bars. The first is a white biker bar, and the place has a reputation for brawls and violence. Everyone talks about how fights/stabbings etc happen there all the time. The second bar is a black bar with no reputation for any sort of unsavory incidences. I'd be way more wary for my safety/well-being in the bar full of white bikers than the black bar. That's not racism, that's "a lot of violence happens in this bar and is almost always perpetrated by white men."
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Inviso
04/02/18 12:02:24 AM
#208:


HotDogButts posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
And why is it so hard to admit that's racist?


racism
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noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
"a program to combat racism"
synonyms:racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
"Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.


Because it's not about other races being superior. Or about all members of that race possess characteristics specific to that race. It's because people of that specific race commit a lot of violence in that specific area.

Take two bars. The first is a white biker bar, and the place has a reputation for brawls and violence. Everyone talks about how fights/stabbings etc happen there all the time. The second bar is a black bar with no reputation for any sort of unsavory incidences. I'd be way more wary for my safety/well-being in the bar full of white bikers than the black bar. That's not racism, that's "a lot of violence happens in this bar and is almost always perpetrated by white men."


Wouldn't "white people don't commit as much crime as black people" imply that one of the two races is superior to the other, due to the difference in crime prevalence?
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HotDogButts
04/02/18 12:08:32 AM
#209:


Inviso posted...

Wouldn't "white people don't commit as much crime as black people" imply that one of the two races is superior to the other, due to the difference in crime prevalence?


No, but that's the entire problem, thats the implication you see, but not one that is being made.

There are a thousand mitigating reasons why black people may commit more crime than white people, and in American settings, at the top of the list is institutional racism against black people putting them in shitty desperate situations where they are then more likely to commit violent crime. I'm not even saying black people commit more crime than white people. I'm talking about a specific place, with specific crime issues, where the living population is totally black.
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Inviso
04/02/18 12:18:40 AM
#210:


The issue I have is that the people (like Smuffin, with his initial "the idea that all races are equal is a myth that Snopes should disprove" post) don't take that second step. They make the statement "black people commit more crime" and that colors their opinions of all black people, regardless of the situation, and they feel justified because they cherry pick that first nugget of information. Those mitigating reasons you mention (and don't forget historical racism that created an underclass for black people that is maintained to this day) don't matter to them. They take that first step and call it a day.
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 12:33:13 AM
#211:


HotDogButts posted...
That's not racism

Correct, because if you remove race from the scenario, the analysis of the situation doesn't change in the slightest. You're not using race as part of the 100 factors in this case.

Now explain why in your 99% black scenario, you would be less wary of passing by a white man than a black man. Explain why my analysis of the stats in #201 is wrong.

Or I guess to go with your latest scenario since you seem to have ditched your previous ones for some reason: let's say you encounter a black man in the violent biker bar. Would be more or less wary of him than the white bikers?
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Jakyl25
04/02/18 12:51:22 AM
#212:


Michael Jordan would probably rob you TBH
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Jakyl25
04/02/18 12:52:33 AM
#213:


These hypotheticals are also kinda weird because who knows the actual crime statistics sorted by race in any given area theyre in
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 1:47:13 AM
#214:


Jakyl25 posted...
These hypotheticals are also kinda weird because who knows the actual crime statistics sorted by race in any given area theyre in

The secret is it doesn't matter cuz you widen the circle until you're satisfied

Lots of black people shooting each other in Detroit therefore it's just rational to be afraid of blacks in rural Oregon!
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 2:15:00 AM
#215:


Unrelated: It's interesting to contrast the "of course facebook is selling your info, if you're not paying for it then you're the product" with "education and healthcare should be free"
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Mr Lasastryke
04/02/18 7:04:10 AM
#216:


HotDogButts posted...
nah that guy from the KKK might be pretty cool


is this supposed to be a joke? i'm sure there are klansmen who are cool but are just misguided/forced to be in the KKK because of their family/whatever.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/02/18 7:13:52 AM
#217:


SmartMuffin posted...
But actually there's a huge middle ground there that goes completely unacknowledged of principled social conservatives who are sick of SJW bullshit. Who want to fly confederate flags - not enslave black people. Who want to tell their son he can't wear a dress - not lock every gay up in a forced conversion therapy camp.


"they're not evil bigoted people, they just forbid their son to wear a dress." ok.
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 9:10:14 AM
#218:


Lots of black people shooting each other in Detroit therefore it's just rational to be afraid of blacks in rural Oregon!


There are no blacks in Oregon anywhere outside Portland.

Which is why it's both hilarious for rural Oregonians to be racist (it's like being afraid of unicorns) and for progressives in Eugene and Corvallis to be so anti-racist (it's like Canada looking down their nose at us for building a border wall)
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 9:11:24 AM
#219:


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/02/business/media/sinclair-news-anchors-script.html

Does anyone, anywhere, actually think their local news affiliates are "right-leaning?" (aside from the standard "well its a FOX channel and it has news therefore FOX NEWS EVIL!!!!" stuff?)

This is literally the first time I've ever heard this allegation, but it's presented like settled science.
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TheRock1525
04/02/18 9:52:38 AM
#220:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/02/business/media/sinclair-news-anchors-script.html

Does anyone, anywhere, actually think their local news affiliates are "right-leaning?" (aside from the standard "well its a FOX channel and it has news therefore FOX NEWS EVIL!!!!" stuff?)

This is literally the first time I've ever heard this allegation, but it's presented like settled science.


Sinclair pushes "must run" pre-recorded segments that unrelentingly praise Trump and criticize anyone that goes against him.

They're notorious for being right wing.
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 11:17:20 AM
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MoogleKupo141
04/02/18 11:19:42 AM
#222:


TheRock1525 posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/02/business/media/sinclair-news-anchors-script.html

Does anyone, anywhere, actually think their local news affiliates are "right-leaning?" (aside from the standard "well its a FOX channel and it has news therefore FOX NEWS EVIL!!!!" stuff?)

This is literally the first time I've ever heard this allegation, but it's presented like settled science.


Sinclair pushes "must run" pre-recorded segments that unrelentingly praise Trump and criticize anyone that goes against him.

They're notorious for being right wing.


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/980799183425802240
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 11:38:56 AM
#223:


http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/01/rep-joe-kennedy-iii-is-sad-that-pot-lega

A nice admission (from a proper Democrat no less) that marijuana laws are largely just an excuse for police to snoop in your business.

My guess is that his position on this will be "evolving" rather soon...
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 11:41:27 AM
#224:


https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Teen-admitted-to-all-20-colleges-and-universities-12797927.php

This is actually pretty stupid. Massive waste of time/effort/money and poor understanding of his situation. Not really something to brag about if the list is that long. Should have been more selective.
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 12:09:59 PM
#225:


Nothing better than the classic quote about drugs
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Ehrlichman
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MoogleKupo141
04/02/18 12:12:24 PM
#226:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Teen-admitted-to-all-20-colleges-and-universities-12797927.php

This is actually pretty stupid. Massive waste of time/effort/money and poor understanding of his situation. Not really something to brag about if the list is that long. Should have been more selective.


yeah I got into every school I applied to too

I only applied to one school

this guy seems like a chump
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 12:14:47 PM
#227:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-struggles-with-an-unfamiliar-form-of-anti-semitism-1522584002

Gee, who would have thought that importing millions of Muslims into western countries where questioning Jews is literally illegal might eventually lead to a problem?
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 12:30:39 PM
#228:


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43619833

They say they fled danger at home and that it is not safe to return to another African country, but Israel considers the majority of African asylum seekers to be economic migrants.

Most of them entered from Egypt several years ago, before a new fence was built along the desert border. This has ended most illegal crossings.


Funny how that works...
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Kenri
04/02/18 12:42:26 PM
#229:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-struggles-with-an-unfamiliar-form-of-anti-semitism-1522584002

Gee, who would have thought that importing millions of Muslims into western countries where questioning Jews is literally illegal might eventually lead to a problem?

Well it's just a good thing Germany's never had issues with anti-Semitism from its white population I guess.

SmartMuffin posted...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43619833

They say they fled danger at home and that it is not safe to return to another African country, but Israel considers the majority of African asylum seekers to be economic migrants.

Most of them entered from Egypt several years ago, before a new fence was built along the desert border. This has ended most illegal crossings.


Funny how that works...

If the legality is the important part, there's an easier/cheaper way to completely end all illegal crossings.
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 12:48:54 PM
#230:


I also support "Send your refugees to Canada" as a legit solution to immigration in the US.
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 1:35:40 PM
#231:


How about Japan? They need the immigrants
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Jakyl25
04/02/18 2:49:33 PM
#232:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/980800783313702918?s=21

Only fools, or worse, are saying that our money losing Post Office makes money with Amazon. THEY LOSE A FORTUNE, and this will be changed. Also, our fully tax paying retailers are closing stores all over the country...not a level playing field!


Yay Trump! Crush those corporations!
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 2:56:42 PM
#233:


He's only talking to Kim in a few weeks to get some tips on stifling economies

(although Kim did realize he needed to allow some capitalism into NK to stop the massive famines)
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Jakyl25
04/02/18 3:03:00 PM
#234:


https://twitter.com/katharinetye/status/979740845908819968?s=21

Old people on Facebook literally believing the image that SmartMuffin claimed literally no one could possibly believe
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 3:14:55 PM
#235:


It said colorized tho
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 6:02:48 PM
#236:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/mark-zuckerberg-fires-back-after-tim-cook-critique-1522686239

There are companies that work hard to charge you more, and there are companies that work hard to charge you less, Mr. Zuckerberg said in the interview, attributing the quote to Amazon.com Inc. CEO Jeff Bezos. Its important that we dont all get Stockholm syndrome and let the companies that work hard to charge you more convince you that they actually care more about you.


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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 6:04:09 PM
#237:


Like as much as I hate Zucc I think he's 100% right about that though. I feel like there are very few people who would turn down $1000 (the rough cost of a new top of the line iphone) in exchange for sharing the type of data that Facebook collects.
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Jakyl25
04/02/18 7:08:41 PM
#238:


Oh I would absolutely accept $1000 for letting them collect my data
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 7:33:47 PM
#239:


What is this point though? That since FB is free and steals your data it's better than services that charge and steal your data?
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 9:35:40 PM
#240:


foolm0r0n posted...
What is this point though? That since FB is free and steals your data it's better than services that charge and steal your data?


That to whatever extent Apple (and Elon for that matter) is trying to use FB's troubles to imply that they really have the customer's best interests at heart, rather than mean ol' Facebook, they're completely and totally full of shit (which is true)
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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 9:36:06 PM
#241:


Man I finally got to make an Olivia meme. It's based on a rather inside thread at LMCG but still!

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SmartMuffin
04/02/18 10:19:26 PM
#242:


Personal life updatez:

Remember when I was gonna get a trophy wife? Turns out I may be the trophy husband. Caved and went to dinner at the GWFOB parents house. Place is so huge and nice. And in the garage, in addition to their regular cars, there's a perfectly restored 1940s Ford pickup truck, and an 04 Maserati. Not bad!
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TheRock1525
04/02/18 10:21:51 PM
#243:


Psssh, I gotta a 1931 Ford Model A and I ain't rich.
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redrocket_pub
04/02/18 10:22:12 PM
#244:


Buy

A

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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 11:36:38 PM
#245:


When I went to houston I went to my friend's parents' house, both of whom are doctors, and it was mindblowing. Basically 2 massive houses glued together with an awesome outdoor patio and pool area. They had this tiny bottle of small batch balsamic vinegar that was probably the single best tasting thing I've ever had in my life.
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foolm0r0n
04/02/18 11:37:37 PM
#246:


SmartMuffin posted...
That to whatever extent Apple (and Elon for that matter) is trying to use FB's troubles to imply that they really have the customer's best interests at heart, rather than mean ol' Facebook, they're completely and totally full of shit (which is true)

I dunno if those other companies are trying to imply that, just that FB sucks. Either way, it's a weak ass defense that amounts to 'no u'.
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foolm0r0n
04/03/18 1:50:54 AM
#247:


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/trump-war-with-amazon-and-the-washington-post-is-personal

Forgot that he was doing this just because of the washington post. I wonder if he realizes bezos has 100x as much money as him.
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SmartMuffin
04/03/18 10:43:39 AM
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foolm0r0n
04/03/18 11:51:30 AM
#249:


His face when he realizes no "conservatives" will vote for him because they are afraid of black people buying machine guns
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TheRock1525
04/03/18 11:53:32 AM
#250:


foolm0r0n posted...
His face when he realizes no "conservatives" will vote for him because they are afraid of black people buying machine guns


Or Muslims.
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