Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - Rage on Behalf of the Machine [dwmf]

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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/statement-from-playboy-enterprises-inc-regarding-facebook-300620787.html

Even the completely milquetoast and mainstream Playboy is fleeing the Zucc

#FBto0
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-emma-gonzalez-attacking-truck/

I love that all the official "fact-checking" sites are having to spend time "debunking" shitposting memes as "hoaxes"
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They wouldn't have to if so many people didn't 100% believe shitposts like they're God's truth.
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SmartMuffin posted...

https://imgur.com/a/uMnnr

Wait so you DO blame whiteness and maleness for school shootings?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10oj9V-A_0Y" data-time="

Interesting breakdown of a country with serious labor shortage issues. The conservatives are trying to immigrate as many people as possible, while pretending they are still strict on immigration. Meanwhile in the US, "conservatives" are trying to stop immigration as much as possible, while pretending they aren't total nazis on immigration.

It really ALL comes down to the labor market. You can have a highly advanced service and tech based economy, but raw low-level labor still fuels everything. That's exactly where so many of America's economic advantages come from.
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http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2018/03/27/alt-right-erupts-after-crying-nazi-christopher-cantwell-admits-hes-a-federal-informant/

Cantwell has become an FBI informant but he SWEARS no one in the alt-right has anything to fear, because no one from the government could possibly think anything they do breaks any laws!!
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Also he posted this lovely image on Gab

http://i2.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/DZUDObYU0AATrHj-1_LI.jpg?zoom=2&resize=600%2C1024
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Something I saw on FB last night re: "What makes Parkland different"

How about "the massive and obvious multiple opportunities, and failure to deal with them, at every level of government."

Blame-shifting is super critical in this one because in no other shooting has the state failed so massively.
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https://twitter.com/HashtagGriswold/status/979005167923277825

so much for foolmo's totally genuine not at all guided from the top, youth movement
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#neveragain isn't a youth movement because not everyone in the march for our lives demonstration was under 18? wut?
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Uh yes, that's right. It's not a youth movement if 90% of the people involved are old geezers.
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just because most of the people in march for our lives were old doesn't mean #neveragain isn't a youth movement. MFOL wasn't even a #neveragain creation, it was co-organized by them and everytown for gun safety (which most definitely isn't a youth movement).

i mean yeah, if people are saying "everyone who was protesting in MFOL was young!" that's obviously incorrect, but i don't think anyone's saying that...?
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just because most of the people in march for our lives were old doesn't mean #neveragain isn't a youth movement

That's actually exactly what it means.

How the fuck do you define a youth movement if not "participated in mainly by the young"
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SmartMuffin posted...

That's actually exactly what it means.

...uh, no.

if the youth deparment of my chess club co-organizes a chess event with the senior department and it happens to attract mainly old people, that doesn't mean "it's not a youth department."

this isn't rocket science.
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You didn't answer my question. How do you define a youth movement if NOT, "Primarily participated in by youths"
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SmartMuffin posted...

How do you define a youth movement if NOT, "Primarily participated in by youths"

that's how you define it, obviously. i've seen no evidence that most of the people in #neveragain aren't young, though.
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Also, I already told you that these marches were not organized by youths. Youths are literally incapable of rallying and providing logistics for a global-scale organization.

So, to be clear. Youths did not organize OR attend these marches in significant number, but hey, the hashtag must be a "youth movement" because after all, I can't prove that it isn't (nevermind the fact that you offer no proof that it IS)
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SmartMuffin posted...

Youths are literally incapable of rallying and providing logistics for a global-scale organization.

so are adults but it's not like it stops them
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SmartMuffin posted...

Youths did not organize OR attend these marches in significant number, but hey, the hashtag must be a "youth movement" because after all, I can't prove that it isn't (nevermind the fact that you offer no proof that it IS)

i don't know (or care) if it's a youth movement, but it could be. "you can't prove that it's a youth movement" is not proof of it not being a youth movement.

the fact that youths don't attend these marches in significant number doesn't say much. could be a case of slacktivism.
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could be a case of slacktivism.

Of course it is. Just like every other temporary boring political fad since forever. It's foolmo who is asserting that this is going to be like 9/11 and change everything for decades. I say it's going to be more like KONY and a month from now everyone will have forgotten about it.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Of course it is. Just like every other temporary boring political fad since forever. It's foolmo who is asserting that this is going to be like 9/11 and change everything for decades. I say it's going to be more like KONY and a month from now everyone will have forgotten about it.

could be, but that still doesn't mean it's not a youth movement.

i mean, kony was definitely a youth movement. old people didn't give a crap about that. seems silly to go "well, but there were no youths on the streets protesting kony, so obviously it wasn't ACTUALLY a youth movement!"

also, what you're saying here kinda contradicts the "this is going to result in constitutional rights being taken away" article you linked to earlier. if everyone will have forgotten about this in a month, why the fuck should we care so much about it?
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If its not a youth movement, that should be scarier for big gun activists. Older people actually vote!
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SmartMuffin posted...

so much for foolmo's totally genuine not at all guided from the top, youth movement

Try to understand the slightest bit of what I said first

Also that march is a different movement than #neveragain that I don't know much about
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SmartMuffin posted...

It's foolmo who is asserting that this is going to be like 9/11 and change everything for decades

You think if this leads to a gun ban it won't change things for decades?
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https://www.facebook.com/TheGunCollective/videos/1919957684742146/

this is kinda fun

the old dude is best
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/979326715272065024?s=21

I have stated my concerns with Amazon long before the Election. Unlike others, they pay little or no taxes to state & local governments, use our Postal System as their Delivery Boy (causing tremendous loss to the U.S.), and are putting many thousands of retailers out of business!

This is hilarious coming from Donald Trump
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Also, is he saying the postal service is set up in such a way that actually using it as intended is bad for the country?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also, is he saying the postal service is set up in such a way that actually using it as intended is bad for the country?

In the sense that it is heavily subsidized, this is pretty obviously true.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also, is he saying the postal service is set up in such a way that actually using it as intended is bad for the country?

In the sense that it is heavily subsidized, this is pretty obviously true.

Which is no fault of Amazon's though.
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https://steemit.com/anarchy/@dollarvigilante/they-said-if-you-want-anarchy-go-to-somalia-so-here-i-am

Wait, what's the point here? Somalia doesn't have a formal government, and is beset on all sides by people trying to assert control over it and it makes it objectively worse.

That's literally the point. Does he not realize this is the point? "Anarchy would totally work if not for the fact that it totally doesn't work because self-interested people and governments will try to exploit it for their own gain!"

Yeah. Fucking duh. That is the point.

How is this different from when you claim that communism kills millions and someone points out that those communist regimes were not proper communists but rather dictators and fascists?
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Ban email so people start using USPS more and they can raise prices thereby indirectly causing Amazon to lose money
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"Anarchy would totally work if not for the fact that it totally doesn't work because self-interested people and governments will try to exploit it for their own gain!"

The self-interested people are not "exploiting anarchy." They are trying to overthrow it and establish a state.

"You can't not have a state because otherwise people will murder you to create a state!" Really? That's your argument?
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SmartMuffin posted...

"You can't not have a state because otherwise people will murder you to create a state!" Really? That's your argument?

That's the whole argument for minarchy and constitutional libertarianism so don't pretend it's some insane concept.

The article highlighted the most important part - the conflict was internal. Yes there are foreign states trying to get in there, but the people realize that it is their own desire for power and statism that is at the root of the conflict. That is the eternal flaw of anarchy - it's only ever temporarily popular. Society just can't exist so rigidly like that.
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SmartMuffin posted...

"Anarchy would totally work if not for the fact that it totally doesn't work because self-interested people and governments will try to exploit it for their own gain!"

The self-interested people are not "exploiting anarchy." They are trying to overthrow it and establish a state.

Distinction without a difference.

"You can't not have a state because otherwise people will murder you to create a state!" Really? That's your argument?

Yes.

Expressing incredulity is not the same as expressing a point.

Again, how is this different from the argument that communism hasn't killed anyone and only bad communists have?
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Saying "anarchy can't work because people might fight for power" is dumb. People fight for power under the state. How many people died in the various world wars? Vietnam? Civil wars throughout history?

None of those happened in a state of anarchy, they were always multiple organized states fighting with each other.

"We need the state to stop wars from happening" is an absurd argument. States are the biggest warmongers of all.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Saying "anarchy can't work because people might fight for power" is dumb. People fight for power under the state. How many people died in the various world wars? Vietnam? Civil wars throughout history?

That's why anarchy is good as a target for society, but it's not useful as an absolutist goal. We want to get close to anarchy in a sustainable way, not being so militant about pure anarchy that we end up bouncing back into massive statism (as has happened so many times in history). You shoot for the moon so you land at a high place, not so that you kill yourself when you don't end up making it to the moon.

That's also why communism is a terrible target. "Real communism" only works when you have reached it 100%. 99% communism is just disastrous totalitarianism. But 99% anarchy is really freakin good. Even 80% or 50% is really good. The spectrum of anarchy is widely favorable, which is why it's valuable in actual reality.

And if you can achieve a sustainable average of 90% anarchy instead of bouncing between of 100% and 10% anarchy, then obviously do that.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Saying "anarchy can't work because people might fight for power" is dumb. People fight for power under the state. How many people died in the various world wars? Vietnam? Civil wars throughout history?

The US fought in both World Wars, Vietnam, and we had a nasty Civil War of our own.

Now, would you rather live in the US, or Somalia? Would you rather live in Germany or Japan (who lost the last World War!) or Somalia? Hell, would you rather live in Vietnam or Somalia?

Checkmate, anarchists!

(In all seriousness though, Foolmo's last post was gold).
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not bitcoin?
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SmartMuffin posted...

Saying "anarchy can't work because people might fight for power" is dumb. People fight for power under the state. How many people died in the various world wars? Vietnam? Civil wars throughout history?

None of those happened in a state of anarchy, they were always multiple organized states fighting with each other.

"We need the state to stop wars from happening" is an absurd argument. States are the biggest warmongers of all.

It's not might fight for power. It's will fight. There have been multiple time periods everywhere in the world without an organized power structure and yet here we are, with nearly every region/person/nation under some organized power and those places currently in a state of anarchy under constant threat by those without. If we're using past experience as a guide, anarchy is unsustainable 100% of the time.

Unless you want to argue it somehow is sustainable under some unbelievable circumstance, in which case I return to the simple question: how is this different from the argument that communism hasn't killed anyone and only bad communists have?

also: what foolmo said
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https://twitter.com/chelseahandler/status/979048679452454913

wow this sure is something

usually celebs are at least smart enough to just ignore the "but you have armed guards" thing at all costs
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http://reason.com/blog/2018/03/29/the-media-ignores-millennials-skepticism

That impression is supported by public opinion surveys finding that millennials are the age group least in favor of gun control. A 2017 Pew poll found that only 49 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds favored an "assault weapons" ban, compared to 55 percent of those aged 30 to 49 and 63 percent of those 65 or older. A March 6 Quinnipiac poll, taken several weeks after the Parkland shooting, found that only 46 percent of 18-to-34 year olds support an assault weapons ban, rising to 51 percent for those aged 35 to 49, 68 percent for those aged 50-to-64, and 80 percent for those over 65.

More boomer bullshit being incorrectly labeled a "youth movement"
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Only around a 39% effective tax rate this year!
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/us/austin-police-chief-terrorism-comments-trnd/index.html

So a terrorist is more like a feeling you have about someone than an actual definition?
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Hasn't it always been?
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SmartMuffin posted...

More boomer bullshit being incorrectly labeled a "youth movement"

nobody is saying that people who have a certain opinion on gun control are a "movement."
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foolm0r0n posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/us/austin-police-chief-terrorism-comments-trnd/index.html

So a terrorist is more like a feeling you have about someone than an actual definition?

more language-changing bullshit from the "diversity" crowd

the answer to the question of "How come you didn't call this white guy a terrorist!" is "Because he wasn't one," but that's not PC so instead we just change the word to mean "someone who does something bad" and act like this is an improvement because equality or whatever
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https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/979559581004324864
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yet MORE evidence that single moms are the scum of the earth.

(jesus did you just discover molyneux or something? might seriously have to leave this topic if you're constantly going to link to tweets by him.)
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SmartMuffin posted...

but that's not PC so instead we just change the word to mean "someone who does something bad" and act like this is an improvement because equality or whatever

No this guy is basing it on his feelings of terror. He said the kid was just lashing out before so he want a terrorist, but now he realizes he was terrorizing people.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

jesus did you just discover molyneux or something?

He's just so smart and epic
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