Board 8 > SaveEstelle/LeonhartFour in Different Houses: Life is Frasier Edition [SELF]

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The walkthrough I used didn't use Fortune at all, IIRC. Definitely far from optimal.
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That sounds like the one I used then. Using Fortune was the primary difference between it and me!
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LeonhartFour posted...

"why don't you make the games more like Persona 3"

This sounds like a good idea to me.
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they also suggested having the option to have enemies scale with you

I mean I'm all in favor of making video games more like FFVIII but there are better ways
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I mean, if it's an option, sure why not. I guess if they tried to make sure it was balanced it could eat up some time and resources, but I'd expect it to be more comical. >_>
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In Trails the 3rd news, I finished up the Impregnable Fortress section. Looks like I was spot on about fighting Morgan and Cassius. The Morgan fight was pretty nifty because I was totally taken aback by the fact that he used a friggin' halberd, but that Cassius fight...man. That fight. It's pretty rare for a story to hype up someone as being ultra powerful and then actually have the dude live up to his reputation, but they came pretty darn close here. I love the fact that, unlike every other boss in this chapter, Cassius doesn't need any lackeys. It's just you against him. He had me on the ropes most of the fight once he started using that skill that upped his strength and speed, too. I was basically using Grail Sphere as soon as it was available, and I even used a couple of Zeram Powders to give Kevin auto-200 CP just for the second frame of invincibility. It felt pretty fitting for Richard to get the last hit with his S-Craft, too. Also felt appropriate to have both Estelle and Joshua here for this fight.

Of course, everyone has plenty to say to Cassius once the fight is over, and he has plenty to tell them. It seems he knows who the Lord of Nonsense is because of course he does. My shot in the dark guess here is Rufina. I've noticed that they never refer to the Lord of Nonsense with gendered pronouns. It's always just "they," which means they're trying to keep the gender ambiguous. I feel like they might only do that if the gender mattered and it's not the one you might think, but I could be wrong.

Next up is a direct challenge from Schwarzritter to Joshua upon the Black Ark, which just turns out to be a recreation of the Glorious, only instead of crimson, it's--you guessed it--black. Since Joshua is required here, I can just roll with my Kevin/Estelle/Joshua/Kloe party here. It's nice that I was able to keep them together for two of the four trials. The final one will have to wait until later though.
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Sigh, another deviation. Pretty certain this is the guide's screwup since there's nothing listed with Yukiko between rank 9 and X Priestess.

I assume it's safe to just push off her rank X to the end?
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I have a recommendation for 3rd. Renne has some particularly lengthy unique dialog for the Black Ark, so consider using her? Not mandatory, just nice.
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Trails 3: I love the Cassius fight so much. I'm not a fan of this whole stretch of the game generally speaking, but that part is great.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Sigh, another deviation. Pretty certain this is the guide's screwup since there's nothing listed with Yukiko between rank 9 and X Priestess.

I assume it's safe to just push off her rank X to the end?

Yes, it should be.

Also, sorry that this guide seems to be going off the rails. >_<

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Trails 3: That Cassius fight is quite legit, yes. I think that's the first fight that pushed me a bit and had me spam Grail Sphere.
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No worries; I don't think there was a good alternative anyway!
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Trails 3: Yeah, Cassius is nuts, as he absolutely needed to be. I ended up going down to Easy for that fight, which probably wasn't necessary but it felt fitting that I could only beat him by cheating. >_>
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I have a recommendation for 3rd. Renne has some particularly lengthy unique dialog for the Black Ark, so consider using her? Not mandatory, just nice.

Not interested. Remote Ability too good.

also just go ahead and max out Yukiko and let someone else suffer for it
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Huh, surprised you're not going for the bonus dialogue considering what you did with SC.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Huh, surprised you're not going for the bonus dialogue considering what you did with SC.

SC was a second playthrough and Kevin doesn't suck so those are two big differences
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P4: Not a big fan of these drunk Rise/Yukiko sprites! Reminds me of the stupid expressions in a few of Apollo/Athena's animations in PW.
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Yeah, they're pretty terrible.

Anime version of that scene is way better.
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In Trails the 3rd news, the final trial is complete. Apparently, Cassius Bright > Three Enforcers simultaneously and Cassius Bright > Loewe, two Loewe clones, and a Reverie. Also, shocker that the dude who looks just like Loewe turns out to be Loewe. It's nice that Joshua got to say a proper goodbye to him this time though.

The path to the seventh plane is clear now, and we need Ries to enter. That almost certainly means the Lord of Nonsense is Rufina, but I guess I'll have to find out tomorrow since I have to get to bed.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Apparently, Cassius Bright >

Truly a shocking revelation.
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Trails 3: Yeah, I really don't know if there was a way to top Cassius, but the Enforcers fight was pretty cool and it was nice seeing Loewe again.
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Well, it was just kind of anticlimactic how relatively easy those fights were. Should've just saved Cassius for last.

Also forgot to mention I did the Star Door that explains what Cassius was doing during FC, which was awesome enough to get him raised to max threat level in Erebonia, apparently. I also finished the last Sun Door and bested all four difficulties. Found a Star Door that will only open after I've finished all the others, so this better be good. I'm assuming the last Moon or Star Door will feature Agate since he hasn't had one yet.

Also, there's an achievement for getting all the chests before the final chapter, but the total number is clearly wrong since I got it with chests to spare!
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Trails 3:

Apparently, Cassius Bright > Three Enforcers simultaneously and Cassius Bright > Loewe, two Loewe clones, and a Reverie.

sorry, canonically Loewe was the strongest fighter in the 3 Sky games

Though yeah, the Cassius fight is the hardest.

Also, shocker that the dude who looks just like Loewe turns out to be Loewe.

To be fair, the whole cast knew it but was avoiding it out of sensitivity for Joshua.

It's nice that Joshua got to say a proper goodbye to him this time though.

I know you mentioned before you didn't care, but Renne has some great dialogue here too (much lesser extent to the Enforcer Trio but still there too)

I also finished the last Sun Door and bested all four difficulties.

yessssssss quiz show star door best star door

And yeah, IIRC you get quite a bit of leeway with the treasure chest achievement. Think you can unlock it in The Black Ark which I'm guessing is what you did.
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xp1337 posted...

sorry, canonically Loewe was the strongest fighter in the 3 Sky games

...are you sure about that? Is there something in the game that makes you say that or are you just going by the general consensus?

I know Cassius's real strength isn't in his raw combat ability but I still have trouble envisioning Loewe getting the better of him either way.

Edit: This may also matter whether we mean Cassius with a staff or Cassius with a sword.
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There are some power rankings on the wiki based on writer statements, but they go up to CS3 so I don't suggest looking them up. I assume that's where he got that information.
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as if a measly thing like canon would inhibit Cassius Bright
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Trails 3: Unless it was false, there was a Falcom interview that stated such. I'm not using the wiki. I have looked at that but unless it was updated recently it looked a bit haphazard to me.

Specifically it's Cassius (Sword) > Loewe > Cassius (Staff)
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xp1337 posted...

Trails 3: Specifically it's Cassius (Sword) > Loewe > Cassius (Staff)

Yeah I think I agree with this, I was just assuming sword by default initially because that's what most of his reputation is based on.

Also yeah I've already looked up those strength rankings, but I don't actually put much stock in them beyond the top 3 characters they list.

There are definitely implied CS3 spoilers in there, though I'm not certain how easy it is to guess what they actually mean without context even if a character is ranked differently than you would expect.
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I assume Sandlot is #1 in the rankings...? Also kinda curious how Arios compares to Cassius, since they're supposed to be equals.
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Well, the "top 3" that I referred to in my post is actually a tier of 3 characters, one of which is the character you listed. The ranking doesn't give an order within those 3 characters though.

Edit: And to address your other point--The ranking lists Arios as one tier above Cassius, but I think this is also assuming current Cassius using a staff. Interestingly, according to the references on this wiki page, the main Kiseki writer has spoken on this subject himself and has said that Cassius is stronger than Arios, but I'm guessing this quote is assuming sword-Cassius rather staff-Cassius
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xp1337 posted...

sorry, canonically Loewe was the strongest fighter in the 3 Sky games

can't hear you over this actual empirical evidence sorry bro

I mean Cassius Bright ain't gettin' punked by Weissmann the way Loewe did either that's for sure

also Cassius doesn't get suckered into using an Impede attack that does piddling damage over and over again

xp1337 posted...

yessssssss quiz show star door best star door

it's a Sun Door and I said as much

man you are just off your game today

xp1337 posted...

To be fair, the whole cast knew it but was avoiding it out of sensitivity for Joshua.

I mean they couldn't have said it before Joshua joined the party?
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Incidentally, are party members on these tier lists? I'd kinda have to assume no, otherwise it'd be tough to account for stuff like Estelle and Joshua being pretty strong at the end of SC and way stronger at the end of Third...and then not so tough in later Trails games.
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LeonhartFour posted...

it's a Sun Door and I said as much

man you are just off your game today

i know

True Story: Well after I made this post and was no longer around to edit/check it suddenly occurred to me "**** I called that door a Star Door instead of Sun, didn't I? Hope Leon doesn't get mad or think I spoiled a future door. Nah, he'll know I'm just an idiot and used the wrong word."

just the kind of thoughts that randomly pop into my head as i go about my day

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Tier List/Power Rankings: oh god what did i do.

Yes, party members are on there last I checked.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

Incidentally, are party members on these tier lists? I'd kinda have to assume no, otherwise it'd be tough to account for stuff like Estelle and Joshua being pretty strong at the end of SC and way stronger at the end of Third...and then not so tough in later Trails games.

whoa spoilers
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xp1337 posted...

just the kind of thoughts that randomly pop into my head as i go about my day

yeah my mind wanders throughout the day to B8 stuff too

that's why I had to take a break in the middle of work to post here because I realized I forgot to mention the Star and Sun Doors I completed

also I gave the Divine Blade Emblem to Estelle and the Bladelord Emblem to Joshua because it felt appropriate for them to be the ones to have them (suck it, Richard)

(wait that doesn't sound right)
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LeonhartFour posted...

xp1337 posted...

just the kind of thoughts that randomly pop into my head as i go about my day

yeah my mind wanders throughout the day to B8 stuff too

that's why I had to take a break in the middle of work to post here because I realized I forgot to mention the Star and Sun Doors I completed

also I gave the Divine Blade Emblem to Estelle and the Bladelord Emblem to Joshua because it felt appropriate for them to be the ones to have them (suck it, Dick)

(wait that doesn't sound right)

fixed...?
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I don't think that's any better

plus it doesn't work since that's his last name not his first

what's up with all these military dudes with first names for surnames
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xp1337 posted...

Tier List/Power Rankings: oh god what did i do.

You say that as if discussing arbitrary and ultimately meaningless details of the Trails series is a bad thing or something.
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the real power rankings worth discussing is who the most powerful characters are in the Baccano/Durarara multiverse
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1. Shizuo
2. Everyone else

This is probably not actually true but it's what my headcanon says at least.
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pretty sure Narita actually has gone on the record with his power rankings

let me see if I can find them

Tier 1
Claire Stanfield, Ronnie Sukiart (Baccano!)
Heiwajima Shizuo (Durarara!!)

Tier 1.5
Nile (Baccano!)
[Hes in this awkward position because he lost to Shizuo but beat Christopher.]

Tier 2 Lost to/implied to be not as strong as Tier 1/1.5 characters but defeats every other character in their series
Christopher Shouldered, Graham Specter, Ladd Russo (Baccano!)
Simon Brezhnev, Celty Sturluson (Durarara!!)

Tier 3 Can put up a fight with Tiers 1-2 characters but thats not really what they do type of characters
Chane Laforet, Adele (Baccano!),
Orihara Izaya (Durarara!!)
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Chapter 6 of Trails the 3rd complete! I mean, I all but finished it last night, but it didn't officially end until we stepped through the fog on the Erbe Royal Road into Aster House, which is the orphanage that Kevin, Rufina, and Ries all grew up in. We get to look around and have some fun conversations about their upbringing before Kevin unloads the brutal truth of what happened to Rufina, as well as his own backstory of what happened to him before he came to live with them. I guess that explains where the Spear of Loa came from!

Then the Lord of Nonsense finally unmasks herself as Rufina and applauds Kevin for being able to figure out such a difficult mystery. Look, if I figured it out ahead of time, it wasn't a difficult mystery! Apparently, all this stuff was created out of Kevin's desire to be punished for what he did to Rufina and his mother, and she's happy to oblige, it seems! Ries feels like this is out of character for her, but Kevin doesn't appear to be of the same mind! Perhaps Rufina is not the sweet girl that she appeared to be in all those flashbacks! I guess it's possible for these apparitions to act out of character since we fought a bunch of dudes who would otherwise never fight us (although they never really broke character in the process, so who knows!).

Ries won't allow this to go on, so Rufina decides to punish her in Kevin's place to punish him even further. This punishment game is getting really meta here! She gets cast down into Gehenna and loses her hood in the process, but Kevin dives in after her. Ries tells him that sacrificing himself to save everyone else and punish himself isn't what Rufina would have done. She only sacrificed herself because there was literally no other way to save Kevin and Ries. Kevin decides he's gotta get outta here because his desire for self-punishment is gone now that Ries ended up getting cast into Gehenna because of him. Kevin's journal gets prophetic for a bit because it said he re-killed the first heretic he ever killed, some dude named Owen, and shortly thereafter, we fight him! It even goes into the journal a second time for good measure!

Anyway, I'm guessing we've still got a little ways to go. I've gotta find that last Moon and Star Door, after all! I'm assuming I wasn't supposed to have found them yet anyway, but maybe I did manage to miss them. I've tried to be thorough everywhere I've gone, so I'm not sure where I would've missed them.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Anyway, I'm guessing we've still got a little ways to go. I've gotta find that last Moon and Star Door, after all! I'm assuming I wasn't supposed to have found them yet anyway, but maybe I did manage to miss them.

I don't know if you want us to tell you about this, but I'll put it behind spoilers just in case.

Moon doors: You should have found all the Moon doors by now I think unless you missed one. Did you go into Moon Door 1 a second time?

Star doors: There's one Star door you can't have found at this point in the game, and there's also one that you've found but can't have accessed yet. (Since meeting the requirement of having viewed all the other doors is not possible yet)

On a different note, I actually guessed the identity of the Lord of Phantasma wrong. I thought it was going to be some Persona-style Shadow Kevin or something like that. Rufina was the obvious #2 choice after that of course, but still.
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pyresword posted...

On a different note, I actually guessed the identity of the Lord of Phantasma wrong. I thought it was going to be some Persona-style Shadow Kevin or something like that. Rufina was the obvious #2 choice after that of course, but still.

I'm pretty sure I posited something like this early on, but it became pretty obvious as time went on that it wasn't the case.
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Not looking forward to fishing for the Guardian...!
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Trails 3: The Aster House segment is so good. One of my favorites in the game. I also had my Lord of Nonsense identity list as either being Rufina or Shadow Kevin.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Not looking forward to fishing for the Guardian...!

there's an even bigger Guardian in Golden...!

but yeah catching the big fish in P5 is way easier

catching the Guardian is still easier than catching the biggest fish in FFXV though
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Ughhhhhhhh what kind of reaction time do I need to even hook this thing???
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Apparently the correct strategy is to complain about it on the internet

Done with stupid fishing!
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fishing is bad
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I agree (in video games and real life!)

Why do RPG developers keep including fishing minigames anyway
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