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I had absolutely no idea what to make of Moon Door 5 or why it was there (though it was cute, I guess) but Theresa being a dragon never crossed my mind
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Like, I guess you could make the connection because Mary smelled a familiar scent that she couldn't place when she was with the dragon and smelled it again at the end at Theresa's birthday party, but that's about it.

also the Stone of Happiness is a crappy accessory

false advertising imhotbqh
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Sega owning Atlus now is starting to pay dividends




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Trails 3: I don't think anyone really knows, but if anything makes sense I thought it was Polly(?) that was the dragon. (whichever kid was with Mary before the dream stuff started happening)

I also don't really remember this part that well at all.
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pyresword posted...

Trails 3: I don't think anyone really knows, but if anything makes sense I thought it was Polly(?) that was the dragon. (whichever kid was with Mary before the dream stuff started happening)

I also don't really remember this part that well at all.

Polly is the only other girl at the orphanage, so yeah.

I think she'd make more sense as the dragon than Theresa at any rate if the whole thing was real. They both have a very innocent mindset. At one point, when Mary is talking about the Happiness Stone, Polly says, "Happiness is all around us," and Mary says the scent is the smell of happiness, so maybe! I feel like we're overthinking this either way though!
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If this counts as overthinking things I've clearly been spending too much time lurking the forums of the more dedicated fans of the Trails series D:

Unfortunately even with their encyclopedic knowledge I wasn't able to find any definitive answers on this topic after a basic search.
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pyresword posted...

If this counts as overthinking things I've clearly been spending too much time lurking the forums of the more dedicated fans of the Trails series D:

Unfortunately even with their encyclopedic knowledge I wasn't able to find any definitive answers on this topic after a basic search.

Well, I don't think there was meant to be any sort of deep metaphorical meaning to that Moon Door! I think it was just supposed to be a cute story. Apparently, even those Trails forums think so...!
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The P3 crossover is Virtua Fighter? What's the top one?
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pjbasis posted...

The P3 crossover is Virtua Fighter? What's the top one?

Yakuza, with Morgana dressed as Sonic for good measure.

where's my Skies of Arcadia costume set darn it

also Ken as Kage Maru is a total waste
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Nah Valkyria Chronicles.

It envelopes skies anyway!
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pjbasis posted...

Nah Valkyria Chronicles.

It envelopes skies anyway!

yeah but they aren't wearing their Skies outfits in VC so I ain't havin' none of that
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Yukari looks a lot like Akechi with boobs in that picture...

Ann and Futaba looking pretty great
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Now understanding didn't level up when it was supposed to... I think? (It didn't level up when it claimed I had 26/26 points, but then the next day the guide has understanding still listed as level 3 with 32/26 points).
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P4 leaves a little more wiggle room in the schedule than P5, so you should probably be ok as long as you dont get too off-track
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Well, I'm pretty sure that I haven't messed up enough to be screwed in principle, but I'm worried about getting off enough that I can't really follow the guide.

I think this may just be a screwup in the point totals in the guide though and I'm actually on track besides with Justice.
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I believe the original Persona 4 had less wiggle room that Golden, though.
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The Mana Sword posted...

P4 leaves a little more wiggle room in the schedule than P5, so you should probably be ok as long as you dont get too off-track

Nah, P4 Vanilla has less wiggle room than P5 does. Golden's extra month makes a lot of difference.
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I forgot he was playing vanilla, but I still thought it was a bit more lax than 5, even if only a little. I guess I havent played the original in like 10 years though so maybe Im misremembering.
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I feel like P5 is a little more generous all around than the other two games, at least the vanilla version of P4. You can complete all the Confidants in P5 with time to spare.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Now understanding didn't level up when it was supposed to... I think? (It didn't level up when it claimed I had 26/26 points, but then the next day the guide has understanding still listed as level 3 with 32/26 points).

maybe it's just a typo and it's supposed to level up at 36 instead of 26
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Yeah, I think something like that may be the case

For P5 (following a better guide) I had three weeks of free time at the end
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Didn't get to play a lot of Trails the 3rd tonight. Slowly working my way through the Impregnable Fortress. Already defeated Cid (called it! also I learned that Cid is his last name, not his first?!) and Amalthea. I found Richard's Star Door, too, while I was here. The conversation with the former Intelligence Division guy about why he won't go back to the military was pretty cool. Also hey, it's Mirano again! Trails knows a good faceless NPC when they see it, I guess. I saved at the monument inside the fortress, and I assume there's a boss on the other side, but I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out.
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Trails 3: wow guys way to dash my dream of being an ace detective

Richard's Door was one of the weaker ones IMO. Richard himself is fine but Amalthea has the power to drag down scenes she is in. I think the Cassius/Richard/Amalthea scene in SC Chapter 3's end might be the sole exception.
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It's kinda funny how 3rd redeems a lot of villains, and so does SC, but Amalthea never really stops being absolutely terrible.
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Well, it's not for a lack of trying, but she continues to have an abrasive personality and an unhealthy attachment to Richard, so yeah.
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https://imgur.com/a/XpWnd

so this is what SaveEstelle has been working on instead of posting here huh
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wow

just tell him to play tokyo xanadu ex

and to come back here
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wow jeffzero get a job
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*Xeno Sirens Blare*

Namco trademarked "Also Sprach Zarathustra" in the US?

is this real life

leon don't ruin this for me by trying to bring me down =(
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I didn't know he was into persona
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pjbasis posted...

I didn't know he was into persona

he's not that into Persona, although he does like it

it was mostly a jab at ResetERA which he jumped ship to after NeoGAF went down

xp1337 posted...

*Xeno Sirens Blare*

Namco trademarked "Also Sprach Zarathustra" in the US?

is this real life

leon don't ruin this for me by trying to bring me down =(

remember how great Chrono Break was?
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LeonhartFour posted...

remember how great Chrono Break was?

yes it was my goty
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Wow, a few of those are legit but most are either clueless or actively bad.
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Really? I skimmed it and didn't think too much but it seemed like a pretty decent list of recommendations.
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xp1337 posted...

Really? I skimmed it and didn't think too much but it seemed like a pretty decent list of recommendations.

of course you would since half of them were "why don't you make the games more like Persona 3"
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LeonhartFour posted...

xp1337 posted...

Really? I skimmed it and didn't think too much but it seemed like a pretty decent list of recommendations.

of course you would since half of them were "why don't you make the games more like Persona 3"

That wasn't a thought that crossed my mind actually!

But better integration of S-Links into the main story with consequences is the holy grail. Stuff like the optional S-Links in NG+ was silly though.
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xp1337 posted...

But better integration of S-Links into the main story with consequences is the holy grail.

it's a great idea on paper but since everyone does S. Links at different paces and goes after some more than others, it'd be kinda difficult to implement effectively in reality, at least beyond what they already do with them
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LeonhartFour posted...

xp1337 posted...

But better integration of S-Links into the main story with consequences is the holy grail.

it's a great idea on paper but since everyone does S. Links at different paces and goes after some more than others, it'd be kinda difficult to implement effectively in reality, at least beyond what they already do with them

Yeah, it'd have to be optional scenes largely, but it can be done. Golden even made some steps in that direction! Fireworks scene, for example, albeit that wasn't an S-Link directly but the festival choice (which itself could be S-Link dependent).
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Well yeah, but the games already do stuff like that. Like, if you want it to legitimately affect the game in a real way (which seems to be what that suggestion is implying), that's a lot more difficult.

Perhaps the only way you could do it is to make someone joining your party dependent on advancing their S. Link.
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I feel like S-Link/story integration only really works for the mandatory ones. Which are great, of course. I really liked the increased number of mandatory links in P5.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well yeah, but the games already do stuff like that. Like, if you want it to legitimately affect the game in a real way (which seems to be what that suggestion is implying), that's a lot more difficult.

...do they?

I feel like Golden was really the only one that tried. P5 walked it back as far as I remember and P3/P4 vanilla didn't do much with it either.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I feel like P5 is a little more generous all around than the other two games, at least the vanilla version of P4. You can complete all the Confidants in P5 with time to spare.

My first playthrough I only failed to max Hanged Man and Tower. I went through it fairly blind so there is plenty of wriggle room in P5.

(Also helps that Temperance and Fortune are game changers)
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P4 Vanilla played completely optimally gives you roughly 2.5-3 weeks to spare IIRC. P5 gives a bit more I think provided you spam Fortune's ability because it's the most OP time management tool imaginable.
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Oh, you know what, when I was talking about P5 being tighter than 4, it was because I was trying to platinum the game in (essentially) one run, so that meant reading all the books, playing all games, etc. There was only like a day or two of wiggle room there.
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xp1337 posted...

I feel like Golden was really the only one that tried. P5 walked it back as far as I remember and P3/P4 vanilla didn't do much with it either.

Golden probably had more, but then P5 Crimson probably will, too...! But you still have events tied to your S. Links, like the school trip and the school festival, and obviously Christmas and Valentine's Day, too.

The idea of being able to hang out with multiple S. Links on the same day is a really good one, although P5 did a good job of having your Confidants cross paths with each other when you choose to hang out. It'd just be better if you had more control over it.
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LeonhartFour posted...

xp1337 posted...

I feel like Golden was really the only one that tried. P5 walked it back as far as I remember and P3/P4 vanilla didn't do much with it either.

Golden probably had more, but then P5 Crimson probably will, too...! But you still have events tied to your S. Links, like the school trip and the school festival, and obviously Christmas and Valentine's Day, too.

The idea of being able to hang out with multiple S. Links on the same day is a really good one, although P5 did a good job of having your Confidants cross paths with each other when you choose to hang out. It'd just be better if you had more control over it.

Yeah those events are pretty good, but I don't think it'd be that hard to have the game check S-Link status and throw in/change some dialogue to acknowledge your status. And potentially have consequences based on that.

Like say take the P5 School Trip. Assume for the purpose of discussion that Makoto's romance can be attained by now. There'd be no need to "hide" the decision as is done now. So if the topic comes up with the gang talking about the trip later and Joker is also dating Ann, assuming he picked one the truth comes out and results in broken links. Whereas if it was say... Ann and Hifumi (again ignoring that I don't think Mementos is open far enough at this point) Joker can get away with it because without both of them there Joker could talk out of it. Maybe it comes crashing down later, idk.

It sounds complex but I feel like you could do this without too much additional work. Just a couple of flag checks.
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The Mana Sword posted...

Oh, you know what, when I was talking about P5 being tighter than 4, it was because I was trying to platinum the game in (essentially) one run, so that meant reading all the books, playing all games, etc. There was only like a day or two of wiggle room there.

The good walkthrough here (Vaelis_RHS's) does all of that stuff too and still leaves you 3 weeks...!
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xp1337 posted...

So if the topic comes up with the gang talking about the trip later and Joker is also dating Ann, assuming he picked one the truth comes out and results in broken links.

See, I don't like this concept either. One of the things they talked about was having real consequences to dating multiple girls, which I think is a pretty bad idea. Or at least the idea of having unavoidable real consequences is bad because collecting a harem is one of the appeals of Persona, whether some people want to admit it or not. I think you'd get a lot of backlash if they just took the fun out of that. Now if you have potential crossroads where you could get busted if you make a wrong choice, then sure, that would add some tension, but it shouldn't be an inevitability.
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well I guess I was using the bad one then
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LordoftheMorons posted...

The Mana Sword posted...

Oh, you know what, when I was talking about P5 being tighter than 4, it was because I was trying to platinum the game in (essentially) one run, so that meant reading all the books, playing all games, etc. There was only like a day or two of wiggle room there.

The good walkthrough here (Vaelis_RHS's) does all of that stuff too and still leaves you 3 weeks...!

Yeah, I remember using the less good walkthrough back when P5 came out, but then abandoning it for my own blind optimizations about halfway through and I did all that and had about a week left over I think!
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