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Quol 02/14/18 2:02:44 PM #52:	So we finally reach the fluctuation point? Before everyone focused on males with women being on the side lines, these days its females that are given support while males are put on the sidelines. And now they are beginning to look at males again. <cite>Quol posted [p:896077217] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>So we finally reach the fluctuation point? Before everyone focused on males with women being on the side lines, these days its females that are given support while males are put on the sidelines. And now they are beginning to look at males again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:04:39 PM #53:	FLUFFYGERM posted... MedeaLysistrata posted... i mean this is a real problem and all but what are you suggesting should be done about it? or do you think it's someone else's problem to fix? step one is to either include boys in the "empowerment" narrative or to eliminate it entirely. anti-male narrative should not be a sanctioned part of any political orthodoxy step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers Lol thats not what the studies say. Also address my points below. @FLUFFYGERM CruelBuffalo posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Another factor that contributes to all of this is that teachers are overwhelmingly women. Like, close to 90% of all teachers K-12 are women IIRC. Boys literally are not provided with role models and are instead being told that they're the problem in society. It is a narrative that is not considered damaging or politically incorrect due to the way "privilege" has been constructed as a framework. How hard the pendulum swings back depends on whether or not we collectively put an end to the horseshit rhetoric against boys/men. Dont you discourage people from not getting STEM degrees? What do you think most primary school teachers get degrees in, engineering? Moreover, didnt you advocate that teaching should be done remotely to save costs and automate it all through a computer. Doesnt that fly against that boys learn differently and need non-conformity? <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896077338] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MedeaLysistrata posted...</cite> <quote>i mean this is a real problem and all but what are you suggesting should be done about it? or do you think it's someone else's problem to fix?</quote> step one is to either include boys in the "empowerment" narrative or to eliminate it entirely. anti-male narrative should not be a sanctioned part of any political orthodoxy step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> Lol thats not what the studies say. Also address my points below. @FLUFFYGERM <cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Another factor that contributes to all of this is that teachers are overwhelmingly women. Like, close to 90% of all teachers K-12 are women IIRC. Boys literally are not provided with role models and are instead being told that they're the problem in society. It is a narrative that is not considered damaging or politically incorrect due to the way "privilege" has been constructed as a framework. How hard the pendulum swings back depends on whether or not we collectively put an end to the horseshit rhetoric against boys/men.</quote> Dont you discourage people from not getting STEM degrees? What do you think most primary school teachers get degrees in, engineering? Moreover, didnt you advocate that teaching should be done remotely to save costs and automate it all through a computer. Doesnt that fly against that boys learn differently and need non-conformity?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/14/18 2:04:40 PM #54:	FLUFFYGERM posted... step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896077339] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:07:02 PM #55:	Darkman124 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator I made six figures as an engineer, went into teaching, hated it because of admin/lack of rigor being done, and bounced back to engineering. The pay was a big reason I didnt stay. I worked harder as a teacher than I ever did as an engineer. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896077481] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator</quote> I made six figures as an engineer, went into teaching, hated it because of admin/lack of rigor being done, and bounced back to engineering. The pay was a big reason I didnt stay. I worked harder as a teacher than I ever did as an engineer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 02/14/18 2:07:11 PM #56:	r4X0r posted... The sooner we can acknowledge that everyone's kid is not going to be an engineer or a scientist and the sooner we can acknowledge that not only is there nothing wrong with blue collar work, there's good livings to be made doing it, the sooner we can move forward as a country. I agree with this. It's kind of funny how the masses will percieve someone who can build or troubleshoot a computer as educated, but not someone who can troubleshoot and fix a furnace/AC or an automobile. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896077489] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>The sooner we can acknowledge that everyone's kid is not going to be an engineer or a scientist and the sooner we can acknowledge that not only is there nothing wrong with blue collar work, there's good livings to be made doing it, the sooner we can move forward as a country.</quote> I agree with this. It's kind of funny how the masses will percieve someone who can build or troubleshoot a computer as educated, but not someone who can troubleshoot and fix a furnace/AC or an automobile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/14/18 2:11:41 PM #57:	Darkman124 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator Nursing is almost entirely women and yet the average pay is $72,000 with benefits according to USA News. Teaching can be quite lucrative and stable too, esp with summer months. Seems like a systemic bias against men and for women in those fields. With male unemployment and uninvolvement increasing over time, I'd expect men to settle for anything. Not convinced it's just about money. I mean do you really expect men to want to teach or nurse when the feminist-dominated culture portrays them as toxic and menacing and not to be trusted with children? Why do you think men receive much worse punishments for the same crimes? The system is biased. --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896077753] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator</quote> Nursing is almost entirely women and yet the average pay is $72,000 with benefits according to USA News. Teaching can be quite lucrative and stable too, esp with summer months. Seems like a systemic bias against men and for women in those fields. With male unemployment and uninvolvement increasing over time, I'd expect men to settle for anything. Not convinced it's just about money. I mean do you really expect men to want to teach or nurse when the feminist-dominated culture portrays them as toxic and menacing and not to be trusted with children? Why do you think men receive much worse punishments for the same crimes? The system is biased.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:13:17 PM #58:	I mean all these topics are incredibly complex and involve multiple factors: from teaching styles, recruitment and retention of teaching talent, curriculum, societal goals. To act like its some simple well clearly girls get too much encouragement and men feel bad; therefore, stop encouragement on gender is so elementary and simplistic <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896077833] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>I mean all these topics are incredibly complex and involve multiple factors: from teaching styles, recruitment and retention of teaching talent, curriculum, societal goals. To act like its some simple well clearly girls get too much encouragement and men feel bad; therefore, stop encouragement on gender is so elementary and simplistic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/14/18 2:15:32 PM #59:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Nursing is almost entirely women and yet the average pay is $72,000 with benefits according to USA News. Teaching can be quite lucrative and stable too, esp with summer months. nursing has more men in it than ever before http://academicdepartments.musc.edu/newscenter/2013/anderson.html which should be no surprise since its pay has also been rising rapidly, unlike most other jobs i try not to assume bias until all other possibilities are exhausted --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896077963] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> Nursing is almost entirely women and yet the average pay is $72,000 with benefits according to USA News. Teaching can be quite lucrative and stable too, esp with summer months. </quote> nursing has more men in it than ever before http://academicdepartments.musc.edu/newscenter/2013/anderson.html which should be no surprise since its pay has also been rising rapidly, unlike most other jobs i try not to assume bias until all other possibilities are exhausted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:16:45 PM #60:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Darkman124 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator Nursing is almost entirely women and yet the average pay is $72,000 with benefits according to USA News. Teaching can be quite lucrative and stable too, esp with summer months. Seems like a systemic bias against men and for women in those fields. With male unemployment and uninvolvement increasing over time, I'd expect men to settle for anything. Not convinced it's just about money. I mean do you really expect men to want to teach or nurse when the feminist-dominated culture portrays them as toxic and menacing and not to be trusted with children? Why do you think men receive much worse punishments for the same crimes? The system is biased. Still waiting for my answer @FLUFFYGERM. And no teaching is not mostly a lucrative career field, ESPECIALLY in low income districts that have a higher % of children behind. Moreover, is there a rate of men that go into medical field that become doctors over nurses? Seems to me you are cherry picking to make men seem woe is me. Id rather be a doctor than a nurse. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896078030] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> i mean are we actually doing that or are teaching careers such a bad ratio of hours/energy invested to cash returned in salary that men avoid it like the plague? economists often note that men generally concentrate in higher-paying fields, women in lower-paying fields. it's clear that money is a major motivator</quote> Nursing is almost entirely women and yet the average pay is $72,000 with benefits according to USA News. Teaching can be quite lucrative and stable too, esp with summer months. Seems like a systemic bias against men and for women in those fields. With male unemployment and uninvolvement increasing over time, I'd expect men to settle for anything. Not convinced it's just about money. I mean do you really expect men to want to teach or nurse when the feminist-dominated culture portrays them as toxic and menacing and not to be trusted with children? Why do you think men receive much worse punishments for the same crimes? The system is biased.</quote> Still waiting for my answer @FLUFFYGERM. And no teaching is not mostly a lucrative career field, ESPECIALLY in low income districts that have a higher % of children behind. Moreover, is there a rate of men that go into medical field that become doctors over nurses? Seems to me you are cherry picking to make men seem woe is me. Id rather be a doctor than a nurse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/14/18 2:17:47 PM #61:	id rather be a PA than a doctor fwiw ~300k entry cost to be a doc, like 30k entry cost to be a PA and they make six figures they also don't live at work --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896078101] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>id rather be a PA than a doctor fwiw ~300k entry cost to be a doc, like 30k entry cost to be a PA and they make six figures they also don't live at work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 02/14/18 2:19:38 PM #62:	FLUFFYGERM posted... MedeaLysistrata posted... i mean this is a real problem and all but what are you suggesting should be done about it? or do you think it's someone else's problem to fix? step one is to either include boys in the "empowerment" narrative or to eliminate it entirely. anti-male narrative should not be a sanctioned part of any political orthodoxy step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers i think we're better off with a paradigm that says "let people do what they're interested in". unfortunately for a lot of boys that amounts to playing video games all day. are men really being excluded from teaching careers? i don't think that's quite true. --- let's positive thinking [this post tastes like lunch] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:896078191] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MedeaLysistrata posted...</cite> <quote>i mean this is a real problem and all but what are you suggesting should be done about it? or do you think it's someone else's problem to fix?</quote> step one is to either include boys in the "empowerment" narrative or to eliminate it entirely. anti-male narrative should not be a sanctioned part of any political orthodoxy step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> i think we're better off with a paradigm that says "let people do what they're interested in". unfortunately for a lot of boys that amounts to playing video games all day. are men really being excluded from teaching careers? i don't think that's quite true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 02/14/18 2:22:55 PM #63:	I always had an interest in teaching but I'd need to be principal to make what I do now. If I had the same amount of schooling but went for education and spent the last 13 years as a teacher, I would be making less than 40% what I make now. If I had gotten a masters + 90 hours or a PhD I would be making 60% of what I make now (numbers are based on the school district I live in). So pretty much I would only go into education if I won the lottery. --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:896078379] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>I always had an interest in teaching but I'd need to be principal to make what I do now. If I had the same amount of schooling but went for education and spent the last 13 years as a teacher, I would be making less than 40% what I make now. If I had gotten a masters + 90 hours or a PhD I would be making 60% of what I make now (numbers are based on the school district I live in). So pretty much I would only go into education if I won the lottery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:25:54 PM #64:	MedeaLysistrata posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... MedeaLysistrata posted... i mean this is a real problem and all but what are you suggesting should be done about it? or do you think it's someone else's problem to fix? step one is to either include boys in the "empowerment" narrative or to eliminate it entirely. anti-male narrative should not be a sanctioned part of any political orthodoxy step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers i think we're better off with a paradigm that says "let people do what they're interested in". unfortunately for a lot of boys that amounts to playing video games all day. are men really being excluded from teaching careers? i don't think that's quite true. My cohort (that I owe $10k for one year, not even giving me the teaching credential since it takes two) was about 60/40 women to men. Really depends on the field. The social sciences and English were heavily more women in my program For science: Physics was 100% men Bio was mostly women Chem was a mix This is all obviously non-scientific and just from my experience at one teaching program <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896078584] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>MedeaLysistrata posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MedeaLysistrata posted...</cite> <quote>i mean this is a real problem and all but what are you suggesting should be done about it? or do you think it's someone else's problem to fix?</quote> step one is to either include boys in the "empowerment" narrative or to eliminate it entirely. anti-male narrative should not be a sanctioned part of any political orthodoxy step two is to stop excluding men from teaching careers</quote> i think we're better off with a paradigm that says "let people do what they're interested in". unfortunately for a lot of boys that amounts to playing video games all day. are men really being excluded from teaching careers? i don't think that's quite true.</quote> My cohort (that I owe $10k for one year, not even giving me the teaching credential since it takes two) was about 60/40 women to men. Really depends on the field. The social sciences and English were heavily more women in my program For science: Physics was 100% men Bio was mostly women Chem was a mix This is all obviously non-scientific and just from my experience at one teaching program</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacadamianNut3 02/14/18 2:27:19 PM #65:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Meanwhile, boys in many American communities dont see male role models who have been to college and succeeded What --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:896078664] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, boys in many American communities dont see male role models who have been to college and succeeded</quote> What</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
r4X0r 02/14/18 2:27:38 PM #66:	KILBOTz posted... I always had an interest in teaching but I'd need to be principal to make what I do now. If I had the same amount of schooling but went for education and spent the last 13 years as a teacher, I would be making less than 40% what I make now. If I had gotten a masters + 90 hours or a PhD I would be making 60% of what I make now (numbers are based on the school district I live in). So pretty much I would only go into education if I won the lottery. Teachers only work 180 days out of the year compared to 230-240 for most professions, if they don't have sex with a student they basically can't get fired and they have benefits for life. A M-F job in a climate controlled, indoor environment nine months out of the year. In a lot of places, being a tenured teacher practically IS winning the lottery. The teacher salaries near where I live are staggeringly generous. --- I faced it all and I stood tall- And did it my way. <cite>r4X0r posted [p:896078677] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>I always had an interest in teaching but I'd need to be principal to make what I do now. If I had the same amount of schooling but went for education and spent the last 13 years as a teacher, I would be making less than 40% what I make now. If I had gotten a masters + 90 hours or a PhD I would be making 60% of what I make now (numbers are based on the school district I live in). So pretty much I would only go into education if I won the lottery.</quote> Teachers only work 180 days out of the year compared to 230-240 for most professions, if they don't have sex with a student they basically can't get fired and they have benefits for life. A M-F job in a climate controlled, indoor environment nine months out of the year. In a lot of places, being a tenured teacher practically IS winning the lottery. The teacher salaries near where I live are staggeringly generous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 02/14/18 2:31:19 PM #67:	Anecdotal evidence sucks. But one of my old college roommates who went to school for theater is now going back to school for elementary education, and he told me he's had suicidal thoughts from being asked if he's a pedo or some shit so often. It sucks, and there's definitely bias. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:896078898] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>Anecdotal evidence sucks. But one of my old college roommates who went to school for theater is now going back to school for elementary education, and he told me he's had suicidal thoughts from being asked if he's a pedo or some shit so often. It sucks, and there's definitely bias.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/14/18 2:32:17 PM #68:	bbl after work --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896078962] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>bbl after work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/14/18 2:32:39 PM #69:	can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896078980] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:33:54 PM #70:	r4X0r posted... KILBOTz posted... I always had an interest in teaching but I'd need to be principal to make what I do now. If I had the same amount of schooling but went for education and spent the last 13 years as a teacher, I would be making less than 40% what I make now. If I had gotten a masters + 90 hours or a PhD I would be making 60% of what I make now (numbers are based on the school district I live in). So pretty much I would only go into education if I won the lottery. Teachers only work 180 days out of the year compared to 230-240 for most professions, if they don't have sex with a student they basically can't get fired and they have benefits for life. A M-F job in a climate controlled, indoor environment nine months out of the year. In a lot of places, being a tenured teacher practically IS winning the lottery. The teacher salaries near where I live are staggeringly generous. Lmao a m-f job. When do you think grading occurs? Making tests? Changing circulum? Like I said, I worked harder, much harder, as a teacher than I ever did as an engineer for way less people. Sure its easy to be a crappy teacher at a comfortable school district and just collect a paycheck. Honestly lol what kind of teachers do you guys want? Ones that just show up to babysit, than yeah keep the pay low. Thats the level of talent youll get. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896079041] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>I always had an interest in teaching but I'd need to be principal to make what I do now. If I had the same amount of schooling but went for education and spent the last 13 years as a teacher, I would be making less than 40% what I make now. If I had gotten a masters + 90 hours or a PhD I would be making 60% of what I make now (numbers are based on the school district I live in). So pretty much I would only go into education if I won the lottery.</quote> Teachers only work 180 days out of the year compared to 230-240 for most professions, if they don't have sex with a student they basically can't get fired and they have benefits for life. A M-F job in a climate controlled, indoor environment nine months out of the year. In a lot of places, being a tenured teacher practically IS winning the lottery. The teacher salaries near where I live are staggeringly generous.</quote> Lmao a m-f job. When do you think grading occurs? Making tests? Changing circulum? Like I said, I worked harder, much harder, as a teacher than I ever did as an engineer for way less people. Sure its easy to be a crappy teacher at a comfortable school district and just collect a paycheck. Honestly lol what kind of teachers do you guys want? Ones that just show up to babysit, than yeah keep the pay low. Thats the level of talent youll get.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:35:31 PM #72:	Darkman124 posted... can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education That is one thing that is harder about being a male teacher. I was very cognizant of making sure my door is open, my windows are not blocked, Im not alone with a student that could be perceived as odd/wrong. Usually female teachers wont get as many <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896079163] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education</quote> That is one thing that is harder about being a male teacher. I was very cognizant of making sure my door is open, my windows are not blocked, Im not alone with a student that could be perceived as odd/wrong. Usually female teachers wont get as many </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 02/14/18 2:37:41 PM #73:	MrPeppers posted... Darkman124 posted... Much like training a dog, training children should have clear connections between cause and effect. darkman does not like children. That's dark, man I was making a punny joke... --- http://i.imgur.com/SGkkbF0.png <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:896079288] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote> Much like training a dog, training children should have clear connections between cause and effect. darkman does not like children.</quote> That's dark, man</quote> I was making a punny joke...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 02/14/18 2:38:07 PM #74:	CruelBuffalo posted... Darkman124 posted... can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education That is one thing that is harder about being a male teacher. I was very cognizant of making sure my door is open, my windows are not blocked, Im not alone with a student that could be perceived as odd/wrong. Usually female teachers wont get as many You know it's funny, I've been thinking about stuff like that too lately for if I ever decide to teach at a university or something later on when I'm old <cite>Reis posted [p:896079316] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education</quote> That is one thing that is harder about being a male teacher. I was very cognizant of making sure my door is open, my windows are not blocked, Im not alone with a student that could be perceived as odd/wrong. Usually female teachers wont get as many </quote> You know it's funny, I've been thinking about stuff like that too lately for if I ever decide to teach at a university or something later on when I'm old</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 02/14/18 2:38:15 PM #75:	CruelBuffalo posted... Sure its easy to be a crappy teacher at a comfortable school district and just collect a paycheck. Honestly lol what kind of teachers do you guys want? Once that just show up to babysit, than yeah keep the pay low. Thats the level of talent youll get. I think you're going to get more "babysitter" teachers no matter what because education is changing for the worse. When I was kid, if someone failed a class they be punished by their parents. Now, if a kid fails a class, the parents call the teacher and blame blame them. And the parents are humored. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:896079327] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>Sure its easy to be a crappy teacher at a comfortable school district and just collect a paycheck. Honestly lol what kind of teachers do you guys want? Once that just show up to babysit, than yeah keep the pay low. Thats the level of talent youll get.</quote> I think you're going to get more "babysitter" teachers no matter what because education is changing for the worse. When I was kid, if someone failed a class they be punished by their parents. Now, if a kid fails a class, the parents call the teacher and blame blame them. And the parents are humored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/14/18 2:38:29 PM #76:	Ok so male college enrollment rates are down. I'd be interested to see if this has any effect on enrollments into trade schools and the like, and if it's effecting male income/qol much. My gut hypothesis is that college is being seen as largely unnecessary as time passes on. But idk. I'm not that invested in it since I'm already out of college fufufufu --- Story Lovers Welcome! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1443-writers-cafe http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:896079340] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>Ok so male college enrollment rates are down. I'd be interested to see if this has any effect on enrollments into trade schools and the like, and if it's effecting male income/qol much. My gut hypothesis is that college is being seen as largely unnecessary as time passes on. But idk. I'm not that invested in it since I'm already out of college fufufufu</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 2:40:22 PM #77:	Reis posted... CruelBuffalo posted... Darkman124 posted... can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education That is one thing that is harder about being a male teacher. I was very cognizant of making sure my door is open, my windows are not blocked, Im not alone with a student that could be perceived as odd/wrong. Usually female teachers wont get as many You know it's funny, I've been thinking about stuff like that too lately for if I ever decide to teach at a university or something later on when I'm old Meh at a university theyre all of age. Just dont date your own student <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896079445] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>can believe. i would be supportive of some studies into the subject area of treatment of men going into nurture-related fields like pediatrics or early childhood education</quote> That is one thing that is harder about being a male teacher. I was very cognizant of making sure my door is open, my windows are not blocked, Im not alone with a student that could be perceived as odd/wrong. Usually female teachers wont get as many </quote> You know it's funny, I've been thinking about stuff like that too lately for if I ever decide to teach at a university or something later on when I'm old</quote> Meh at a university theyre all of age. Just dont date your own student</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 02/14/18 2:42:05 PM #78:	Darkman124 posted... id rather be a PA than a doctor fwiw ~300k entry cost to be a doc, like 30k entry cost to be a PA and they make six figures they also don't live at work It will gnaw at your psyche daily. --- http://i.imgur.com/SGkkbF0.png <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:896079549] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>id rather be a PA than a doctor fwiw ~300k entry cost to be a doc, like 30k entry cost to be a PA and they make six figures they also don't live at work</quote> It will gnaw at your psyche daily.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 3:04:31 PM #79:	DifferentialEquation posted... CruelBuffalo posted... Sure its easy to be a crappy teacher at a comfortable school district and just collect a paycheck. Honestly lol what kind of teachers do you guys want? Once that just show up to babysit, than yeah keep the pay low. Thats the level of talent youll get. I think you're going to get more "babysitter" teachers no matter what because education is changing for the worse. When I was kid, if someone failed a class they be punished by their parents. Now, if a kid fails a class, the parents call the teacher and blame blame them. And the parents are humored. Sort yes and no. In terms of social promotion (promoting whether they do a good job or not) is still here and I hate it. I also hated how much our school put participation as a grade. But the standards I like. The new NGSS (next gen science standard) have moved away from reciting facts/figures and you have to have standards that force kids to show/prove ideas through experiemente. Like its no longer Students will know Newtons 3 laws of motion But will be things like Students will demonstrate through experiments that Newtons 3rd law when one body exerts a force etc etc <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896080960] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>Sure its easy to be a crappy teacher at a comfortable school district and just collect a paycheck. Honestly lol what kind of teachers do you guys want? Once that just show up to babysit, than yeah keep the pay low. Thats the level of talent youll get.</quote> I think you're going to get more "babysitter" teachers no matter what because education is changing for the worse. When I was kid, if someone failed a class they be punished by their parents. Now, if a kid fails a class, the parents call the teacher and blame blame them. And the parents are humored.</quote> Sort yes and no. In terms of social promotion (promoting whether they do a good job or not) is still here and I hate it. I also hated how much our school put participation as a grade. But the standards I like. The new NGSS (next gen science standard) have moved away from reciting facts/figures and you have to have standards that force kids to show/prove ideas through experiemente. Like its no longer Students will know Newtons 3 laws of motion But will be things like Students will demonstrate through experiments that Newtons 3rd law when one body exerts a force etc etc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 02/14/18 3:31:34 PM #80:	This topic is CE at its most cooperative --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:896082623] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>This topic is CE at its most cooperative</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/14/18 3:49:19 PM #81:	MrPeppers posted... MrPeppers posted... Darkman124 posted... Much like training a dog, training children should have clear connections between cause and effect. darkman does not like children. That's dark, man I was making a punny joke... i am what i am --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896083730] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote> Much like training a dog, training children should have clear connections between cause and effect. darkman does not like children.</quote> That's dark, man</quote> I was making a punny joke...</quote> i am what i am</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 02/14/18 5:30:08 PM #82:	Darkman124 posted... MrPeppers posted... MrPeppers posted... Darkman124 posted... Much like training a dog, training children should have clear connections between cause and effect. darkman does not like children. That's dark, man I was making a punny joke... i am what i am Youre popeye? <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:896089766] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote> Much like training a dog, training children should have clear connections between cause and effect. darkman does not like children.</quote> That's dark, man</quote> I was making a punny joke...</quote> i am what i am</quote> Youre popeye?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/14/18 6:26:24 PM #83:	sorry guys, not feeling like arguing about anything right now. the school shooting got me really depressed. just wanna curl up and cry somewhere. --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896093027] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>sorry guys, not feeling like arguing about anything right now. the school shooting got me really depressed. just wanna curl up and cry somewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 02/14/18 7:10:09 PM #84:	FLUFFYGERM posted... sorry guys, not feeling like arguing about anything right now. the school shooting got me really depressed. just wanna curl up and cry somewhere. :( --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:896095622] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>sorry guys, not feeling like arguing about anything right now. the school shooting got me really depressed. just wanna curl up and cry somewhere.</quote> :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 02/15/18 10:06:58 AM #85:	FLUFFYGERM posted... "what are you talking about, im not abrasive!!!!!111" - Giant_Aspirin just a couple weeks ago i appreciate you calling me out on this. that post was, objectively, a shitpost and i should be ashamed of it. i get upset with you for 'being partisan' and not having a genuine conversation and when you legitimately tried to ITT, i literally barged into the topic screaming. it was childish and unproductive. --- Playing: Dark Souls III (PC), Hollow Knight (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:896129140] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>"what are you talking about, im not abrasive!!!!!111" - Giant_Aspirin just a couple weeks ago</quote> i appreciate you calling me out on this. that post was, objectively, a shitpost and i should be ashamed of it. i get upset with you for 'being partisan' and not having a genuine conversation and when you legitimately tried to ITT, i literally barged into the topic screaming. it was childish and unproductive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 02/15/18 10:11:36 AM #86:	Did you just assume millions of people's gender? --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:896129342] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>Did you just assume millions of people's gender?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/15/18 10:16:12 AM #87:	Boys also develop slower than girls. Hard to compare two groups through grade school when they are at different points in their developmental trajectory. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896129536] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>Boys also develop slower than girls. Hard to compare two groups through grade school when they are at different points in their developmental trajectory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ilovuuu 02/15/18 10:17:51 AM #88:	FLUFFYGERM posted... sorry guys, not feeling like arguing about anything right now. the school shooting got me really depressed. just wanna curl up and cry somewhere. lol at thinking proudclad actually cares about other people. <cite>ilovuuu posted [p:896129603] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>sorry guys, not feeling like arguing about anything right now. the school shooting got me really depressed. just wanna curl up and cry somewhere.</quote> lol at thinking proudclad actually cares about other people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/15/18 10:18:42 AM #89:	COVxy posted... Boys also develop slower than girls. Hard to compare two groups through grade school when they are at different points in their developmental trajectory. their overall actual command of the information presented to them does not seem to be significantly less, however. the bulk of the school performance gap at early ages appears to be a result of teachers grading them for developmental differences that are not actually on classroom syllabi or otherwise communicated to the students and down the line, that gap seems likely to have created a self-fulfilling prophecy --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896129646] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Boys also develop slower than girls. Hard to compare two groups through grade school when they are at different points in their developmental trajectory.</quote> their overall actual command of the information presented to them does not seem to be significantly less, however. the bulk of the school performance gap at early ages appears to be a result of teachers grading them for developmental differences that are not actually on classroom syllabi or otherwise communicated to the students and down the line, that gap seems likely to have created a self-fulfilling prophecy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FluttershyPony 02/15/18 10:23:46 AM #90:	Men are intelligent enough to realize going 300k in debt for a piece of paper ain't all thats cracked up to be, hence why they're marketing to females who are generally easy to get scammed (plus their boyfriend/husband/sugardaddy will pay for it anyway). <cite>FluttershyPony posted [p:896129875] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote>Men are intelligent enough to realize going 300k in debt for a piece of paper ain't all thats cracked up to be, hence why they're marketing to females who are generally easy to get scammed (plus their boyfriend/husband/sugardaddy will pay for it anyway).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/15/18 10:24:01 AM #91:	Darkman124 posted... their overall actual command of the information presented to them does not seem to be significantly less, however. Potentially, though we could just be shit at measuring it. Boys may adapt different strategies to compensate, eliminating any stark obvious differences. The difference in brain development, however, is pretty stark. Seems like something we have to consider. This isn't to wave away your points, I think differential treatment is almost certainly more important. But the development aspect of things is just rarely carefully considered. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896129892] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>their overall actual command of the information presented to them does not seem to be significantly less, however. </quote> Potentially, though we could just be shit at measuring it. Boys may adapt different strategies to compensate, eliminating any stark obvious differences. The difference in brain development, however, is pretty stark. Seems like something we have to consider. This isn't to wave away your points, I think differential treatment is almost certainly more important. But the development aspect of things is just rarely carefully considered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/15/18 10:27:48 AM #92:	Darkman124 posted... CruelBuffalo posted... Thanks Ill read when Im home. Curious, where did they pull their data from? Nationally? District? State? nationwide data set came from the 1998-1999 NCES random sample K-5 they're investigating the early trends that get this ball rolling; likely later performance gaps are a result of the development of early gaps that resulted in disengagement by the older child in childhood education advocacy circles, it is well-known that your entire education is essentially determined by 3rd grade I mean that isn't literally true and it is not my specialty so I just want to be clear that I haven't done much digging into the actual research myself, but supposedly your performance on certain (esp. reading) tests predict a very large amount of the variance in educational outcomes --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896130060] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote> Thanks Ill read when Im home. Curious, where did they pull their data from? Nationally? District? State? </quote> nationwide data set came from the 1998-1999 NCES random sample K-5 they're investigating the early trends that get this ball rolling; likely later performance gaps are a result of the development of early gaps that resulted in disengagement by the older child</quote> in childhood education advocacy circles, it is well-known that your entire education is essentially determined by 3rd grade I mean that isn't literally true and it is not my specialty so I just want to be clear that I haven't done much digging into the actual research myself, but supposedly your performance on certain (esp. reading) tests predict a very large amount of the variance in educational outcomes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 02/15/18 10:32:39 AM #93:	r4X0r posted... Kid B is now a journeyman welder making wage, and earns $47.50/hr. He can charge $100/hr for off the table side work and can make more on the side on a Saturday morning than kid A earns in a whole week. He's saved his money and now has a net worth of $100,000. At 22 he can now look at buying a home and starting a family. He's "uneducated." that isn't how much welders make at all, though btw the 90th percentile for welders of all levels is more like $35/hour -- this hypothetical welder is one of the best paid in the country. Welding doesn't have a very high cap relative to starting wages so experience doesn't have as much influence as it does in most 'professional' career paths but I still really suspect a 22 year old wouldn't be that guy --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:896130287] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>r4X0r posted...</cite> <quote>Kid B is now a journeyman welder making wage, and earns $47.50/hr. He can charge $100/hr for off the table side work and can make more on the side on a Saturday morning than kid A earns in a whole week. He's saved his money and now has a net worth of $100,000. At 22 he can now look at buying a home and starting a family. He's "uneducated." </quote> that isn't how much welders make at all, though btw the 90th percentile for welders of all levels is more like $35/hour -- this hypothetical welder is one of the best paid in the country. Welding doesn't have a very high cap relative to starting wages so experience doesn't have as much influence as it does in most 'professional' career paths but I still really suspect a 22 year old wouldn't be that guy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/15/18 10:53:56 AM #94:	Balrog0 posted... in childhood education advocacy circles, it is well-known that your entire education is essentially determined by 3rd grade I mean that isn't literally true and it is not my specialty so I just want to be clear that I haven't done much digging into the actual research myself, but supposedly your performance on certain (esp. reading) tests predict a very large amount of the variance in educational outcomes i get you i think there's plenty of evidence to support the idea that a bad start creates a vicious cycle of poor performance and reduced interest as an ego response to poor performance --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896131260] in Why Men Ar... [t:76318655]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote> in childhood education advocacy circles, it is well-known that your entire education is essentially determined by 3rd grade I mean that isn't literally true and it is not my specialty so I just want to be clear that I haven't done much digging into the actual research myself, but supposedly your performance on certain (esp. reading) tests predict a very large amount of the variance in educational outcomes </quote> i get you i think there's plenty of evidence to support the idea that a bad start creates a vicious cycle of poor performance and reduced interest as an ego response to poor performance</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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