Poll of the Day > Science discovers prisons legitimately don't work

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Lokarin 02/08/18 1:46:23 PM #1:	https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/7w42kd/just_3_months_in_prison_leads_to_reduced/ Which the exception of those already in prison, I say we phase out prisons for anyone not receiving a life sentence. Also: In other news: Why isn't alcohol poisoning classified as a drug overdose? Movie at 11 --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895708231] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/7w42kd/just_3_months_in_prison_leads_to_reduced/ Which the exception of those already in prison, I say we phase out prisons for anyone not receiving a life sentence. Also: In other news: Why isn't alcohol poisoning classified as a drug overdose? Movie at 11</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 02/08/18 1:48:01 PM #2:	So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue. --- I-I really needed this~~ Why does everyone think I like girls? <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:895708329] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/08/18 1:56:24 PM #3:	Sounds like an argument for changing the structure of prisons, not getting rid of prisons... --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895708880] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like an argument for changing the structure of prisons, not getting rid of prisons...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green dragon 02/08/18 1:58:00 PM #4:	Lokarin posted... Movie at 11 Isn't it"more at 11"? <cite>green dragon posted [p:895708974] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Movie at 11</quote> Isn't it"more at 11"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/08/18 2:01:42 PM #5:	LittleRoyal posted... So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue. It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895709202] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue.</quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 02/08/18 2:05:25 PM #6:	Lokarin posted... LittleRoyal posted... So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue. It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence In that case we should just make any offense over 3 months a life sentence then. Problem solved. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:895709429] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue.</quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> In that case we should just make any offense over 3 months a life sentence then. Problem solved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 02/08/18 2:13:49 PM #7:	green dragon posted... Lokarin posted... Movie at 11 Isn't it"more at 11"? No hes going to be showing a movie at 11 <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:895709888] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>green dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Movie at 11</quote> Isn't it"more at 11"?</quote> No hes going to be showing a movie at 11</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skullbone 02/08/18 2:19:41 PM #8:	Wow the prison system doesn't work? What next? Education system? THE GOVERNMENT? --- skull <cite>skullbone posted [p:895710236] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Wow the prison system doesn't work? What next? Education system? THE GOVERNMENT?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/08/18 2:21:49 PM #9:	MICHALECOLE posted... green dragon posted... Lokarin posted... Movie at 11 Isn't it"more at 11"? No hes going to be showing a movie at 11 Sweet --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:895710380] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>MICHALECOLE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>green dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>Movie at 11</quote> Isn't it"more at 11"?</quote> No hes going to be showing a movie at 11</quote> Sweet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/08/18 2:22:17 PM #10:	Lokarin posted... LittleRoyal posted... So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue. It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence The vast majority of sex offenders aren't like other prisoners in the first place. It's a crime that should be treated in a mental institution. However, compare that to murderers who, once they get out, have one of the lowest recidivism rates despite having one of the longest average sentences. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895710403] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue.</quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> The vast majority of sex offenders aren't like other prisoners in the first place. It's a crime that should be treated in a mental institution. However, compare that to murderers who, once they get out, have one of the lowest recidivism rates despite having one of the longest average sentences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 02/08/18 2:43:10 PM #11:	Smarkil posted... Lokarin posted... LittleRoyal posted... So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue. It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence In that case we should just make any offense over 3 months a life sentence then. Problem solved. This. People should be given at least 20 yeas for rape. Ruin a girls life and potential have her scarred and scared and get out in three months for good behavior And she gets a call saying hes back on the streets because the courts didnt take her pain seriously --- I-I really needed this~~ Why does everyone think I like girls? <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:895711731] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue.</quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> In that case we should just make any offense over 3 months a life sentence then. Problem solved.</quote> This. People should be given at least 20 yeas for rape. Ruin a girls life and potential have her scarred and scared and get out in three months for good behavior And she gets a call saying hes back on the streets because the courts didnt take her pain seriously</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/08/18 2:44:58 PM #12:	Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895711841] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 02/08/18 2:45:18 PM #13:	darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:895711866] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bagamak 02/08/18 2:48:28 PM #14:	I think we should take some but not all lessons from europe. no death penatly treat prisoners as more human slightly increase the comfort of the prison don't cram prisoners together so they kill each other in their cells listen to them more when they swear they are innocent and look more into evidence instead of denying appeals and laughing while evidence sits in a freezer. that last one pisses me off. I have seen countless cases where a person was finally set freet after years of asking to look at the evidence. and for years they just laughed until finally someone actually looked and realized the guy WAS innocent. <cite>Bagamak posted [p:895712056] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>I think we should take some but not all lessons from europe. no death penatly treat prisoners as more human slightly increase the comfort of the prison don't cram prisoners together so they kill each other in their cells listen to them more when they swear they are innocent and look more into evidence instead of denying appeals and laughing while evidence sits in a freezer. that last one pisses me off. I have seen countless cases where a person was finally set freet after years of asking to look at the evidence. and for years they just laughed until finally someone actually looked and realized the guy WAS innocent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/08/18 2:48:38 PM #15:	Jen0125 posted... They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. as a deterrent from getting caught again because no one wan'ts to get caught twice! --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895712066] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> as a deterrent from getting caught again because no one wan'ts to get caught twice!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/08/18 2:48:51 PM #16:	Maybe we should have two different kinds of prison One for teaching people why what they did was wrong and how to live life a better way, and one where people did truly messed up stuff and they just dont get to be part of regular society Seems like a lot of the problems come from having people that committed minor crimes cohabitate with the worst of the worst --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:895712083] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Maybe we should have two different kinds of prison One for teaching people why what they did was wrong and how to live life a better way, and one where people did truly messed up stuff and they just dont get to be part of regular society Seems like a lot of the problems come from having people that committed minor crimes cohabitate with the worst of the worst</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gravy 02/08/18 2:51:00 PM #17:	Lokarin posted... In other news: Why isn't alcohol poisoning classified as a drug overdose? Movie at 11 I always wondered about that. I think it's cus alcohol is more considered a toxin instead of drug...but at the same time, ppl develop alcohol dependencies and it's addictive so who knows <cite>gravy posted [p:895712216] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>In other news: Why isn't alcohol poisoning classified as a drug overdose? Movie at 11</quote> I always wondered about that. I think it's cus alcohol is more considered a toxin instead of drug...but at the same time, ppl develop alcohol dependencies and it's addictive so who knows</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TigerTycoon 02/08/18 2:52:12 PM #18:	Depends on what you think prison is supposed to do. If you think it's purpose is to reform inmates, anyone with any knowledge of prisons and any common sense knows it doesn't do that. People are rarely sent to jail because they were living lives where they had all the options in the world, it's often because they felt they didn't have many options other than to become criminals. Prison does nothing to change this, people who leave prison reenter the world with the same skills, or lack thereof, as before, and probably a deteriorated mentality, only knowing how to become a criminal again. If you wanted to reduce the chance for prisoners to not become criminals again, you should give them job training. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! <cite>TigerTycoon posted [p:895712269] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Depends on what you think prison is supposed to do. If you think it's purpose is to reform inmates, anyone with any knowledge of prisons and any common sense knows it doesn't do that. People are rarely sent to jail because they were living lives where they had all the options in the world, it's often because they felt they didn't have many options other than to become criminals. Prison does nothing to change this, people who leave prison reenter the world with the same skills, or lack thereof, as before, and probably a deteriorated mentality, only knowing how to become a criminal again. If you wanted to reduce the chance for prisoners to not become criminals again, you should give them job training.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 02/08/18 2:53:30 PM #19:	darcandkharg31 posted... Jen0125 posted... They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. as a deterrent from getting caught again because no one wan'ts to get caught twice! except with the way our police system, criminal justice system and prison system all work recidivism rate is out of control because there's very little rehabilitation being done in for profit prisons. which shouldn't exist. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:895712327] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> as a deterrent from getting caught again because no one wan'ts to get caught twice!</quote> except with the way our police system, criminal justice system and prison system all work recidivism rate is out of control because there's very little rehabilitation being done in for profit prisons. which shouldn't exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/08/18 2:55:32 PM #20:	TigerTycoon posted... it's often because they felt they didn't have many options other than to become criminals. I can't speak for everyone but a lot of people i know who went to jail simply because they got caught, they could work or even collect welfare but they chose to steal and rob simply because it's easy and fast money --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895712444] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>it's often because they felt they didn't have many options other than to become criminals.</quote> I can't speak for everyone but a lot of people i know who went to jail simply because they got caught, they could work or even collect welfare but they chose to steal and rob simply because it's easy and fast money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/08/18 2:56:29 PM #21:	Jen0125 posted... darcandkharg31 posted... Jen0125 posted... They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. as a deterrent from getting caught again because no one wan'ts to get caught twice! except with the way our police system, criminal justice system and prison system all work recidivism rate is out of control because there's very little rehabilitation being done in for profit prisons. which shouldn't exist. cab't go into details because we from two differen't countries so our facilities will be different --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895712491] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> as a deterrent from getting caught again because no one wan'ts to get caught twice!</quote> except with the way our police system, criminal justice system and prison system all work recidivism rate is out of control because there's very little rehabilitation being done in for profit prisons. which shouldn't exist.</quote> cab't go into details because we from two differen't countries so our facilities will be different</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/08/18 3:21:27 PM #22:	If it's supposed to be a deterrent - it's failing as it's increasing the crime rates If it's a punishment - it's failing as it's increasing the crime rates If it's rehabilitation - it's failing as it's increasing the crime rates --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895714026] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>If it's supposed to be a deterrent - it's failing as it's increasing the crime rates If it's a punishment - it's failing as it's increasing the crime rates If it's rehabilitation - it's failing as it's increasing the crime rates</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dreaming_King 02/08/18 4:12:27 PM #23:	Good luck having anything done about it. A politician trying to improve the system in anyway that is even remotely beneficial for the inmates (regardless of that being better for society in the long run) will be bad optics even if it is supported by facts. If they want votes they'll find some victim to exploit by holding their hand as they propose more "tough on crime" laws (regardless of that being worse for society in the long run). --- Nil- <cite>Dreaming_King posted [p:895717181] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Good luck having anything done about it. A politician trying to improve the system in anyway that is even remotely beneficial for the inmates (regardless of that being better for society in the long run) will be bad optics even if it is supported by facts. If they want votes they'll find some victim to exploit by holding their hand as they propose more "tough on crime" laws (regardless of that being worse for society in the long run).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/08/18 5:28:01 PM #24:	Lokarin posted... LittleRoyal posted... So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue. It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence The thing is, I would rather have a rapist in jail for 3 months not raping the people outside of prison, rather than letting them just run a round raping whoever because they decided prison won't help. If they're going to rape no matter of they go to prison or not, then at least save some of the other potential victims... But Zeus is right about them needing to go to a mental institution instead, anyway... --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895721918] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleRoyal posted...</cite> <quote>So if you dont have a life sentence instead you... Get a slap on the wrist? Sounds like an awful society especially because most people get away with rape (or only a couple years) so people could do that and have no issue.</quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> The thing is, I would rather have a rapist in jail for 3 months not raping the people outside of prison, rather than letting them just run a round raping whoever because they decided prison won't help. If they're going to rape no matter of they go to prison or not, then at least save some of the other potential victims... But Zeus is right about them needing to go to a mental institution instead, anyway...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/08/18 5:30:17 PM #25:	Lokarin posted... It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence ITP Lokarin will have rapists not go to prison because they will rape again. --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895722052] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> ITP Lokarin will have rapists not go to prison because they will rape again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 02/08/18 6:11:17 PM #26:	Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from? But anyway, I bet the actual issue is that those who are in prison for longer than 3 months have commited crimes bad enough that they'd have to be a real POS to commit them, or they become incapable of getting a job as their crime is off-putting so they're fucked in trying to start over. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:895724324] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from? But anyway, I bet the actual issue is that those who are in prison for longer than 3 months have commited crimes bad enough that they'd have to be a real POS to commit them, or they become incapable of getting a job as their crime is off-putting so they're fucked in trying to start over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleRoyal 02/08/18 6:40:14 PM #27:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from? But anyway, I bet the actual issue is that those who are in prison for longer than 3 months have commited crimes bad enough that they'd have to be a real POS to commit them, or they become incapable of getting a job as their crime is off-putting so they're fucked in trying to start over. Not true for rapists. They often get out for good behavior and while they do end up on lists, they are often able to get jobs Sometimes punishments are lighter. It is especially easy for white peoole to get away with rape with little to no jail time, and then find employment at big companies. According to the professor of policing class at least, but he was a cop for a long time so their views get tainted --- I-I really needed this~~ Why does everyone think I like girls? <cite>LittleRoyal posted [p:895725839] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from? But anyway, I bet the actual issue is that those who are in prison for longer than 3 months have commited crimes bad enough that they'd have to be a real POS to commit them, or they become incapable of getting a job as their crime is off-putting so they're fucked in trying to start over.</quote> Not true for rapists. They often get out for good behavior and while they do end up on lists, they are often able to get jobs Sometimes punishments are lighter. It is especially easy for white peoole to get away with rape with little to no jail time, and then find employment at big companies. According to the professor of policing class at least, but he was a cop for a long time so their views get tainted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/08/18 7:01:21 PM #28:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from? It makes sense. It's just that it seems to not work well. Especially in the US... Kyuubi4269 posted... they become incapable of getting a job as their crime is off-putting so they're fucked in trying to start over. This is very true. I'm mentioned that a while back when we were talking about felons and such. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895726987] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from?</quote> It makes sense. It's just that it seems to not work well. Especially in the US... <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>they become incapable of getting a job as their crime is off-putting so they're fucked in trying to start over.</quote> This is very true. I'm mentioned that a while back when we were talking about felons and such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 02/08/18 7:09:28 PM #29:	Jen0125 posted... darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:895727466] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blighboy 02/08/18 7:11:50 PM #30:	The vast majority of prisoners aren't there permanently, so the idea that everyone who has ever gone to prison can get fucked is harmful to society in the long run. --- https://i.imgur.com/ymuEJsp.gif <cite>Blighboy posted [p:895727586] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>The vast majority of prisoners aren't there permanently, so the idea that everyone who has ever gone to prison can get fucked is harmful to society in the long run.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMelodramatic 02/08/18 7:14:37 PM #31:	darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment this line of thinking is so... awful. it's supposed to make you a better person, not put you in time out. --- Proud to be EPic Texas Aggie, Class of 2018 A-Whoop! <cite>MrMelodramatic posted [p:895727728] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> this line of thinking is so... awful. it's supposed to make you a better person, not put you in time out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/08/18 7:15:24 PM #32:	MrMelodramatic posted... darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment this line of thinking is so... awful. it's supposed to make you a better person, not put you in time out. Its both? --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:895727768] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMelodramatic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> this line of thinking is so... awful. it's supposed to make you a better person, not put you in time out.</quote> Its both?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/08/18 7:19:42 PM #33:	MrMelodramatic posted... it's supposed to make you a better person not really, it's a place of confinement for breaking the law --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895728034] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrMelodramatic posted...</cite> <quote> it's supposed to make you a better person</quote> not really, it's a place of confinement for breaking the law</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/08/18 7:37:11 PM #34:	darcandkharg31 posted... Lokarin posted... It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence ITP Lokarin will have rapists not go to prison because they will rape again. not me, the scientists --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895728990] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> ITP Lokarin will have rapists not go to prison because they will rape again.</quote> not me, the scientists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 02/08/18 7:46:20 PM #35:	Jen0125 posted... darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. Rehabilitation died when labor unions became a thing. I am not even joking. Originally prison was a place where people were taught a trade, and setup with a career once they got out. However, labor unions hated the fact that skilled people where being churned out through prison. These people (who were willing to work for less money then unionized labor) were stealing jobs from union labor and therefore they passed laws preventing prisons from allowing prisoners to do manual labor, and making employers less likely to hire people with a criminal record. After that, prison just became a place to get criminals out of society. --- I am a senior software engineer. If you see me post here, I am tired of writing TPS reports. <cite>Dikitain posted [p:895729518] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> Rehabilitation died when labor unions became a thing. I am not even joking. Originally prison was a place where people were taught a trade, and setup with a career once they got out. However, labor unions hated the fact that skilled people where being churned out through prison. These people (who were willing to work for less money then unionized labor) were stealing jobs from union labor and therefore they passed laws preventing prisons from allowing prisoners to do manual labor, and making employers less likely to hire people with a criminal record. After that, prison just became a place to get criminals out of society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfernalFive 02/08/18 8:05:16 PM #36:	It's been common knowledge that prison reform has been desperately needed for many years now. Not sure why this is news for some. --- http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyfabsU4xH1qzy531o1_500.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ggCrHk8.jpg <cite>InfernalFive posted [p:895730496] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>It's been common knowledge that prison reform has been desperately needed for many years now. Not sure why this is news for some.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GunslingerGunsl 02/08/18 8:14:38 PM #37:	faramir77 posted... Jen0125 posted... darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment They're supposed to be for rehabilitation. Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation. Umm What? Yeah it is and should be focused on rehabilitation. Psychologically, punishment has been shown not to work. <cite>GunslingerGunsl posted [p:895730920] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> They're supposed to be for rehabilitation.</quote> Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation.</quote> Umm What? Yeah it is and should be focused on rehabilitation. Psychologically, punishment has been shown not to work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Syntheticon 02/08/18 9:10:37 PM #38:	Lokarin posted... https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/7w42kd/just_3_months_in_prison_leads_to_reduced/ Which the exception of those already in prison, I say we phase out prisons for anyone not receiving a life sentence. Also: In other news: Why isn't alcohol poisoning classified as a drug overdose? Movie at 11 Breaking news: water is wet! Now back to your regular programming. --- Mod me? You don't even know me! <cite>Syntheticon posted [p:895733983] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/7w42kd/just_3_months_in_prison_leads_to_reduced/ Which the exception of those already in prison, I say we phase out prisons for anyone not receiving a life sentence. Also: In other news: Why isn't alcohol poisoning classified as a drug overdose? Movie at 11</quote>Breaking news: water is wet! Now back to your regular programming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garlands_Soul 02/08/18 9:38:09 PM #39:	Why advocate for life imprisonment? Just kill them. It would just be a waste to bother keeping a bunch of people around to rot without any solace. --- "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" <cite>Garlands_Soul posted [p:895735406] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Why advocate for life imprisonment? Just kill them. It would just be a waste to bother keeping a bunch of people around to rot without any solace.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 1:04:50 AM #40:	darcandkharg31 posted... Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment Rehab isn't "self-help," it's others providing the help. Self-help rarely works because the person's self is shit. That's why you're better off seeing a therapist when you have problems, relying on structured learning instead of self-teaching, having a coach instead of just pursuing individual health improvements, etc. Kyuubi4269 posted... Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from? Technically it was always there to some degree. TigerTycoon posted... Depends on what you think prison is supposed to do. If you think it's purpose is to reform inmates, anyone with any knowledge of prisons and any common sense knows it doesn't do that. People are rarely sent to jail because they were living lives where they had all the options in the world, it's often because they felt they didn't have many options other than to become criminals. Prison does nothing to change this, people who leave prison reenter the world with the same skills, or lack thereof, as before, and probably a deteriorated mentality, only knowing how to become a criminal again. If you wanted to reduce the chance for prisoners to not become criminals again, you should give them job training. I think you're conflating issues. Clearly it's not doing what it's supposed to do, largely because we focus more on the penalty side of things than the rehab side of things. Likewise you're muddled on motives. A lot of crimes intrinsically have nothing to do with circumstance -- rape and murder being good examples -- and college kids who do have opportunity tend to engage in petty crimes like shoplifting. And most criminals don't support themselves solely through crime in the first place and, equally importantly, others in their same circumstance don't commit those same crimes. faramir77 posted... Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation. I know you're trying to paint it as fringe, but it's a relatively mainstream opinion and it's fundamentally the best approach. Honestly, even the punitive side is arguably reformatory since you're taking them out of society in the hopes that they learn not to do something again. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895745425] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote>Prisons aren't a self help program, they're punishment</quote> Rehab isn't "self-help," it's others providing the help. Self-help rarely works because the person's self is shit. That's why you're better off seeing a therapist when you have problems, relying on structured learning instead of self-teaching, having a coach instead of just pursuing individual health improvements, etc. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Where did this mad idea that prison is a rehab centre come from?</quote> Technically it was always there to some degree. <cite>TigerTycoon posted...</cite> <quote>Depends on what you think prison is supposed to do. If you think it's purpose is to reform inmates, anyone with any knowledge of prisons and any common sense knows it doesn't do that. People are rarely sent to jail because they were living lives where they had all the options in the world, it's often because they felt they didn't have many options other than to become criminals. Prison does nothing to change this, people who leave prison reenter the world with the same skills, or lack thereof, as before, and probably a deteriorated mentality, only knowing how to become a criminal again. If you wanted to reduce the chance for prisoners to not become criminals again, you should give them job training.</quote> I think you're conflating issues. Clearly it's not doing what it's supposed to do, largely because we focus more on the penalty side of things than the rehab side of things. Likewise you're muddled on motives. A lot of crimes intrinsically have nothing to do with circumstance -- rape and murder being good examples -- and college kids who do have opportunity tend to engage in petty crimes like shoplifting. And most criminals don't support themselves solely through crime in the first place and, equally importantly, others in their same circumstance don't commit those same crimes. <cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation.</quote> I know you're trying to paint it as fringe, but it's a relatively mainstream opinion and it's fundamentally the best approach. Honestly, even the punitive side is arguably reformatory since you're taking them out of society in the hopes that they learn not to do something again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/09/18 1:15:54 AM #41:	faramir77 posted... Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation. I think that was the original plan. Even if it wasn't, then I(along with several others, it seems) think it should be... Lokarin posted... darcandkharg31 posted... Lokarin posted... It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence ITP Lokarin will have rapists not go to prison because they will rape again. not me, the scientists I think the scientists just stated the facts. But I think(and would hope) that most of them would agree that rapists should go to prison. Though it seems like you think they should be free to just go around raping... Garlands_Soul posted... Why advocate for life imprisonment? Just kill them. It would just be a waste to bother keeping a bunch of people around to rot without any solace. I remember that topic... --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895745842] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe as a secondary function, but I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees that the primary purpose of prisons is, or should be, rehabilitation.</quote> I think that was the original plan. Even if it wasn't, then I(along with several others, it seems) think it should be... <cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darcandkharg31 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lokarin posted...</cite> <quote> It's been proven that the 3 months in prison will make that same person more likely to rape again. You're advocating for more ... violence</quote> ITP Lokarin will have rapists not go to prison because they will rape again.</quote> not me, the scientists</quote> I think the scientists just stated the facts. But I think(and would hope) that most of them would agree that rapists should go to prison. Though it seems like you think they should be free to just go around raping... <cite>Garlands_Soul posted...</cite> <quote>Why advocate for life imprisonment? Just kill them. It would just be a waste to bother keeping a bunch of people around to rot without any solace.</quote> I remember that topic...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/09/18 1:17:56 AM #42:	Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:895745916] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 1:31:22 AM #43:	Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895746436] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/09/18 1:33:58 AM #44:	Zeus posted... Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:895746526] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darcandkharg31 02/09/18 1:34:23 AM #45:	Zeus posted... Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> i fail to see the probz --- This is my signature, there are many others like it, but this one is mine. If you take 110% of what I say seriously then you're gonna have a bad time. <cite>darcandkharg31 posted [p:895746535] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> i fail to see the probz</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 1:35:45 AM #46:	Mead posted... Zeus posted... Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester You're asking them to go 4 years without during the peak years of their life. Who's going to take that deal? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895746581] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester</quote> You're asking them to go 4 years without during the peak years of their life. Who's going to take that deal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 02/09/18 1:36:55 AM #47:	Zeus posted... Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> Some are ok with non-hetero sex... --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:895746621] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> Some are ok with non-hetero sex...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 02/09/18 2:55:50 AM #48:	Zeus posted... Mead posted... Zeus posted... Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester You're asking them to go 4 years without during the peak years of their life. Who's going to take that deal? Im not asking shit. Go find a wall to argue with --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:895749122] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester</quote> You're asking them to go 4 years without during the peak years of their life. Who's going to take that deal?</quote> Im not asking shit. Go find a wall to argue with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 02/09/18 3:00:30 PM #50:	LinkPizza posted... I think the scientists just stated the facts. But I think(and would hope) that most of them would agree that rapists should go to prison. Though it seems like you think they should be free to just go around raping... Unfortunately, letting them free to keep going - actually prevents more. It's sad, yes, but that's the reality right now. We need a different form of punishment. --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:895776053] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote> I think the scientists just stated the facts. But I think(and would hope) that most of them would agree that rapists should go to prison. Though it seems like you think they should be free to just go around raping...</quote> Unfortunately, letting them free to keep going - actually prevents more. It's sad, yes, but that's the reality right now. We need a different form of punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 02/09/18 4:51:08 PM #51:	Mead posted... Zeus posted... Mead posted... Zeus posted... Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester You're asking them to go 4 years without during the peak years of their life. Who's going to take that deal? Im not asking shit. Go find a wall to argue with Mead posted... Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:895782351] in Science di... [t:76297628]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote> Because college students love booze and hetero sex? >_></quote> Something you can only get at a campus for 25k a semester</quote> You're asking them to go 4 years without during the peak years of their life. Who's going to take that deal?</quote> Im not asking shit. Go find a wall to argue with</quote> <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Why pay for college when you can just go to prison and get a degree </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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