Poll of the Day > The vocal minority sure likes to cry about gaming. Overwatch League skins.

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A vocal minority was crying and claiming lootboxes is gambling and using children as an excuse yet they don't throw a fit about physical trading cards and mystery toy boxes. This vocal minority doesn't want lootboxes in any game, period; even if it is done the right way like Blizzard does (cosmetic skins only that do NOT affect the gameplay).

This same vocal minority is crying and whining about how they should be given the option to purchase individual skins and items they want instead of getting them through lootboxes.

And guess what? Blizzard has introduced another in-game currency that can be purchased with real money and you can use it to buy any of the new Overwatch League skins you want. If I remember correctly, every League skin costs $5 which is a fair price. Believe it or not it, it costs money to make these skins. And yes, there are some quick recolors/reskins in the game, but that's unusual.

Purchasing these League skins funds the Overwatch League teams. Think of it as buying a sports jersey for your favorite team as a way to support them. It's the same idea. These League skins are not behind lootboxes. You get 100 free tokens for logging in through Feb 13 (all platforms). You can get an additional 100 free tokens for signing up to the Overwatch League newsletter. And it's been hinted that you will be awarded for watching OWL streams. Maybe the rewards will be tokens.

Anyways, Blizzard has introduced a way for gamers to buy optional, cosmetic skins that are not behind a lootbox and it looks like a lot of people are still crying, whining, and complaining. Again, they ARE optional and purely cosmetic. You don't have to buy anything. Stop complaining seriously. It's like a big fan to complain over anything online and it stirs up a lot of people for the sake of complaining. There are companies that deserve the backlash like Bungie with Destiny 2 and other companies with questionable or shady business practices. Blizzard and Overwatch does not deserve this backlash by a vocal minority.

Edit: Also, you don't HAVE to own every single skin!!! Do sports fan buy every single player jersey from their favorite team? No.
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I havent even played overwatch wah!
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Shill on brother

People are making a bigger deal about this than they should. Like no one says you have to buy anything. They gave you a free one. There will definitely be more freebies. Do you need 26 skins? Do you really play all 26 characters? Don't you have better skins than these already anyway?
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pipebomb_phil posted...

Edit: Also, you don't HAVE to own every single skin!!! Do sports fan buy every single player jersey from their favorite team? No.

Dear people with mental problems for collecting things:
Have you thought about not having mental problems?

Are these your own thoughts or someone elses?

In the most technical sense of the word it is 'gambling' so long as you consider a digital skin to be 'material good'. However there is a huge difference. Namely that these skins and lootboxes are not the focus or purpose of the game whereas other lootbox systems intentionally limit the players ability to play and progress simply for the sake of earning more cash. In FE heroes the baseline heroes are more than enough to beat the 'main story' and ample free summons are provided. A person can be reasonably expected to develop a strong team while still being f2p. Likewise, in overwatch a large amount of free boxes are given and contain nothing but cosmetic upgrades. Were this to change people would be furious and likely revolt in a similar manner to games which purposefully lock-off game changing content behind paywalls in both senses of the term (where it can be overcome with a large amount of grinding or where it simply can't be done).

Personally I consider the whole notion of gambling as a moral plight to be stupid since it, effectively, removes anything with any element of random chance involved.
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"I hate it when people spend their money on the things that I don't like!!"

Gamers are one of the worst communities of any medium/hobby.
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Wah wah wah, you don't have to buy skins even though looking good is part of what makes the game enjoyable, wah wah wah.
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Andromicus posted...

Shill on brother

It's not shilling.

ArctheLad13 posted...

People are making a bigger deal about this than they should. Like no one says you have to buy anything. They gave you a free one. There will definitely be more freebies. Do you need 26 skins? Do you really play all 26 characters? Don't you have better skins than these already anyway?

Ikr

shadowsword87 posted...

Dear people with mental problems for collecting things:
Have you thought about not having mental problems?

That is such a silly argument.

By your logic there should be absolutely nothing to collect: no sports memorabilia, trading cards, action figures, figurines, video games, stamps, shoes, etc.

You can't assume EVERY person has a mental disorder. Just like you can't assume every person has a gambling problem.

dioxxys posted...

Are these your own thoughts or someone elses?

I don't understand what you mean by this. You posted something similar yesterday for some reason. I don't know why you think I am copy and paste topics.

gravy posted...

"I hate it when people spend their money on the things that I don't like!!"

I take it you didn't read my topic? I should have mentioned I have spent a few dollars in Overwatch and have no problem with the game's microtransactions.

keyblader1985 posted...

Gamers are one of the worst communities of any medium/hobby.

I have to agree with this.

VeeVees posted...

Wah wah wah, you don't have to buy skins even though looking good is part of what makes the game enjoyable, wah wah wah.

You don't need every single one.

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@Unbridled9

It isn't gambling though since you can't cash out in Overwatch or in most games with lootboxes.
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pipebomb_phil posted...

There are companies that deserve the backlash like Bungie with Destiny 2

Spoilers: Actiblizz also published Destiny 2.
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adjl posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

There are companies that deserve the backlash like Bungie with Destiny 2

Spoilers: Actiblizz also published Destiny 2.

I'm aware. As far as I know Activision and Blizzard operate differently.
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pipebomb_phil posted...

As far as I know Activision and Blizzard operate differently.

Riiiight... We'll just ignore the time they completely gutted the core gameplay of Diablo 3 to promote the RMAH for fun and profit. Or the fact that they've put a mobile game's monetization scheme into a $60 game. Blizzard's totally not out to nickel-and-dime their consumers at the expense of their games.
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adjl posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

As far as I know Activision and Blizzard operate differently.

Riiiight... We'll just ignore the time they completely gutted the core gameplay of Diablo 3 to promote the RMAH for fun and profit. Or the fact that they've put a mobile game's monetization scheme into a $60 game. Blizzard's totally not out to nickel-and-dime their consumers at the expense of their games.

Let's not forget them using legal loopholes to avoid revealing loot box percentages in china.
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wtf would i want to fund overwatch leagues for? video games are not sports, im not going to waste time watching people play games when i could be playing games myself
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adjl posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

There are companies that deserve the backlash like Bungie with Destiny 2

Spoilers: Actiblizz also published Destiny 2.

bungie is the only thing to blame for what's happening with destiny 2. Activision owns no part of bungie or bungies ip
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

wtf would i want to fund overwatch leagues for? video games are not sports, im not going to waste time watching people play games when i could be playing games myself

You don't think it's interesting watching people who are crazy better than you play the game?

Same reason it's interesting to watch surgeons do surgery.

pipebomb_phil posted...

You can get an additional 100 free tokens for signing up to the Overwatch League newsletter.

HOWDIDINOTNOTICETHIS?!? Thank you! =D

Now I really don't know two Reaper skins to pick... do I pick where I live or one of the cooler ones... #mytears
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I'm sorry but, I personally can't justify spending $5 per RECOLOR, more uniue skins sure, but recolors?, Haha No, No thanks, Especially not in supporting the goddamn competitive scene.....
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mzsylver posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

You can get an additional 100 free tokens for signing up to the Overwatch League newsletter.

HOWDIDINOTNOTICETHIS?!? Thank you! =D

Now I really don't know two Reaper skins to pick... do I pick where I live or one of the cooler ones... #mytears

Dynasty because black and gold > others.
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mzsylver posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

You can get an additional 100 free tokens for signing up to the Overwatch League newsletter.

HOWDIDINOTNOTICETHIS?!? Thank you! =D

Now I really don't know two Reaper skins to pick... do I pick where I live or one of the cooler ones... #mytears

You're welcome!

I got an email about the newsletter. You can sign up for their OWL newsletter on the OWL site.
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Everything in the world should be lootboxes. You buy a bottle of drink, but what you get is random. It could be soda, milk, or urine. But you can't complain because bottled drinks are optional. You buy a vehicle, but can't choose the model. Could be Ferrari, Honda, or bicycle. But you shouldn't complain because driving is an optional entitlement.
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$5 is too much for a recolor. It should be $5 for all of a team's skins.

People complained about microtransactions like this long before Overwatch even existed. Not liking this isn't anything new.
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it's a gateway drug. it's hope in a box. it's like playing the lotto, hoping you get the outfit you want. if you don't get it if i just pay one more dollar it will be in the next one. maybe i should pay the hundred dollar investment in there currency to buy the most loot boxes because it's more of a guarantee that my outfit will come out.

i'm sorry but loot boxes can start addictions.
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pipebomb_phil posted...

If I remember correctly, every League skin costs $5 which is a fair price.

$5 for a skin is nowhere near a fair price.

You're vastly overestimating the amount of money that is required to create a new skin. New skins are one of the most basic updates a game can get - an amateur modder can pull one together in an afternoon.
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darkknight109 posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

If I remember correctly, every League skin costs $5 which is a fair price.

$5 for a skin is nowhere near a fair price.

You're vastly overestimating the amount of money that is required to create a new skin. New skins are one of the most basic updates a game can get - an amateur modder can pull one together in an afternoon.

I am not overestimating it.

The company has to pay the artist to make the skin.

It costs money to make skins plain and simple.
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Ya, must've taken those artists a long time to change a couple colors and slap a team logo on there.
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VeeVees posted...

Ya, must've taken those artists a long time to change a couple colors and slap a team logo on there.

Doesn't matter how long it took them. It costs money to make regardless.
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pipebomb_phil posted...

VeeVees posted...

Ya, must've taken those artists a long time to change a couple colors and slap a team logo on there.

Doesn't matter how long it took them. It costs money to make regardless.

And a billionaire company can't possibly handle that

it would be cooler if it was spray cans. so you can paint your favorite team instead. and charge everyone one for each spray.
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adjl posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

As far as I know Activision and Blizzard operate differently.

Riiiight... We'll just ignore the time they completely gutted the core gameplay of Diablo 3 to promote the RMAH for fun and profit. Or the fact that they've put a mobile game's monetization scheme into a $60 game. Blizzard's totally not out to nickel-and-dime their consumers at the expense of their games.

I didn't realize nickel-and-diming included releasing new game-play related content for free after the game came out.
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Andromicus posted...

And a billionaire company can't possibly handle that

It doesn't matter. It costs money. They have to pay their employees to create content and test it out.

They even gave Overwatch players 1 OWL skin for free. An additional one if you signed up to their OWL newsletter.

Imagine if a company kept pumping out new content for their game every month. They'd go out of business because it costs money.
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^yep they are like drug dealers. the first one is free. and if you are friends with the dealer he will give you one more free bump. imagine that.
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dioxxys posted...

Are these your own thoughts or someone elses?

If he was going off someone elses thoughts he would probably be against all dlc and micro transactions.
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Skins are superfluous.

pipebomb_phil posted...

VeeVees posted...

Ya, must've taken those artists a long time to change a couple colors and slap a team logo on there.

Doesn't matter how long it took them. It costs money to make regardless.

Yes, it does matter how long it took them. These OWL skins are just recolors. That takes a significant amount of time less than them creating a unique skin.

$5 per recolor skin is ridiculous. But I've already left Overwatch so I'll never even have to think about buying those skins!
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

VeeVees posted...

Ya, must've taken those artists a long time to change a couple colors and slap a team logo on there.

Doesn't matter how long it took them. It costs money to make regardless.

Yes, it does matter how long it took them. These OWL skins are just recolors. That takes a significant amount of time less than them creating a unique skin.

$5 per recolor skin is ridiculous. But I've already left Overwatch so I'll never even have to think about buying those skins!

You missed the point about these League skins. They fund the OWL players and events. That's why they're priced that way.

And you're missing out on OW.
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Everything to do with Overwatch causes nothing but salty tears everywhere. That's what happens with PvP games - especially those that are ultra casual.
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pipebomb_phil posted...

You missed the point about these League skins. They fund the OWL players and events. That's why they're priced that way.

Nah, I saw that. But it's not a good argument. The team skins are for every hero right? So 1 team has 1 skin per hero. Currently there's 26 heroes in the game. That's $130 if one person wants to have all of the skins for the team they like. That's too much for a game that you already had to buy to play. If Overwatch was Free to Play, then I would have no problems with that price.

pipebomb_phil posted...

And you're missing out on OW.

I'm liking Smite more than I liked OW. In fact, I'd rather play Paladins than OW since I always liked that game more.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah, I saw that. But it's not a good argument. The team skins are for every hero right? So 1 team has 1 skin per hero. Currently there's 26 heroes in the game. That's $130 if one person wants to have all of the skins for the team they like. That's too much for a game that you already had to buy to play. If Overwatch was Free to Play, then I would have no problems with that price.

But sane people don't want to buy all of them. That'd be like buying every jersey for a football team.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah, I saw that. But it's not a good argument. The team skins are for every hero right? So 1 team has 1 skin per hero. Currently there's 26 heroes in the game. That's $130 if one person wants to have all of the skins for the team they like. That's too much for a game that you already had to buy to play. If Overwatch was Free to Play, then I would have no problems with that price.

But sane people don't want to buy all of them. That'd be like buying every jersey for a football team.

I'm sure there's people out there that want to buy more jersey's than what they have available.

These skins should be $2 at the most per skin.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah, I saw that. But it's not a good argument. The team skins are for every hero right? So 1 team has 1 skin per hero. Currently there's 26 heroes in the game. That's $130 if one person wants to have all of the skins for the team they like. That's too much for a game that you already had to buy to play. If Overwatch was Free to Play, then I would have no problems with that price.

Buying all skins isn't a good argument.

It's like saying if you buy a console you have to buy all the games for it.

Or like buying all of the DLC in Rocksmith because you must have them all.

I'm glad Overwatch is not f2p because every f2p out there is usually bad and I have no desire to play them. Overwatch is a premium title with optional content that you can acquire for free without having to spend money at all.
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pipebomb_phil posted...

darkknight109 posted...

pipebomb_phil posted...

If I remember correctly, every League skin costs $5 which is a fair price.

$5 for a skin is nowhere near a fair price.

You're vastly overestimating the amount of money that is required to create a new skin. New skins are one of the most basic updates a game can get - an amateur modder can pull one together in an afternoon.

I am not overestimating it.

The company has to pay the artist to make the skin.

It costs money to make skins plain and simple.

Sure, and I never disputed that.

That being said, the costs involved are trivial - certainly not worth $5.

I mean, put it this way. A new AAA game is typically somewhere in the $50-$70 range. Do you earnestly think that it takes 7-10% of the effort required to make a full game to make a single skin for a single character?
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people saying wanting more than one skin is like wanting more than one jersey is a bit nuts

considering overwatch is centered around switching heroes depending on the situation it's stupid to believe You'd be able to play that hero you got a team skin for...without it biting you in the ass
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pipebomb_phil posted...

yet they don't throw a fit about physical trading cards and mystery toy boxes

To be fair, those physical items still have a value and can be traded/sold for something. The typical Magic the Gathering booster pack is about $2.50 to $5 maybe depending on the set but certain rare cards were worth well more than that.
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This thread comes down to "I play esports game and I am salty about playing an esports game".
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Judgmenl posted...

This thread comes down to "I play esports game and I am salty about playing an esports game".

Who?
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