Poll of the Day > Indiana bill would force Colts to issue refunds to fans offended by kneeling

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/366722-indiana-bill-would-force-colts-to-offer-refunds-to-fans

You might say certain people got triggered when certain people criticised the government. Now certain governments are getting triggered by disrespect, and therefore need a safe space.

No, people are getting triggered, because other certain people criticized the government, and they now want the government to crack down on criticism. Forget free speech, they hurt my feelings.
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Sounds like a nice way to see a free game

That's a nice name, Indiana
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Didn't somebody already post this? At any rate, introducing a bill is basically meaningless. There are countless bills each year which never even come up for a vote and this will likely be one of them, particularly since I'm pretty sure they can't legally do that. It's political theater, just like that one bill which would have forced men to swear on a Bible that they're only buying Viagra to have sex with their wife.
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Just dont go?
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MICHALECOLE posted...

Sounds like a nice way to see a free game

I'm guessing you'd have to leave the game by the end of the 1st quarter to get the refund.
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EvilMegas posted...

Just dont go?

Or go and get free tickets
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Remember when Pence when to a football game just to throw a fit.
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Its ironically funny (and sad) when the right calls liberals snowflakes, yet get offended when people exercise their freedom of speech and act like snowflakes themselves.....
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TyVulpine posted...

Its ironically funny (and sad) when the right calls liberals snowflakes, yet get offended when people exercise their freedom of speech and act like snowflakes themselves.....

And then the left gets offended by people on the right peacefully protesting the NFL by boycotting it. It's almost like both sides are giant hypocrites or something

OhhhJa posted...

And then the left gets offended by people on the right peacefully protesting the NFL by boycotting it.

I wouldn't say it's being offended so much as it is being thoroughly amused by how thin-skinned they are. That, and this particular avenue of protesting would allow the protestors to take away the income of those against whom they are protesting, when all they're protesting is that their handegg experience has been made slightly suboptimal.
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OhhhJa posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Its ironically funny (and sad) when the right calls liberals snowflakes, yet get offended when people exercise their freedom of speech and act like snowflakes themselves.....

And then the left gets offended by people on the right peacefully protesting the NFL by boycotting it. It's almost like both sides are giant hypocrites or something

No one cares about them getting butthurt, it's the fact they are trying to bend the law to support their butthurt.
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Blighboy posted...

Remember when Pence when to a football game just to throw a fit.

Yea I remember when he wasted my money in a racist gesture.

Zeus posted...

just like that one bill which would have forced men to swear on a Bible that they're only buying Viagra to have sex with their wife

Source, please.

TyVulpine posted...

Its ironically funny (and sad) when the right calls liberals snowflakes, yet get offended when people exercise their freedom of speech and act like snowflakes themselves.....

It's like being an asshole doesn't have a political orientation or something.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Zeus posted...

just like that one bill which would have forced men to swear on a Bible that they're only buying Viagra to have sex with their wife

Source, please.

It seems it was a democrat protesting an abortion bill.

http://time.com/4224832/kentucky-viagra-bill/

BlackScythe0 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Zeus posted...

just like that one bill which would have forced men to swear on a Bible that they're only buying Viagra to have sex with their wife

Source, please.

It seems it was a democrat protesting an abortion bill.

http://time.com/4224832/kentucky-viagra-bill/

Oh, so "joke" legislation then.

Questionmarktarius posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Zeus posted...

just like that one bill which would have forced men to swear on a Bible that they're only buying Viagra to have sex with their wife

Source, please.

It seems it was a democrat protesting an abortion bill.

http://time.com/4224832/kentucky-viagra-bill/

Oh, so "joke" legislation then.

Much the way this bill is.

Relying on the law/government to solve your issues is always detrimental in the long term.
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ah so snowflakes need a safe space
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Is this like the conservative version of virtue-signaling? Like they know nothing will ever come of it but they get to feel good about themselves that they made it known that theyre against the kneeling?
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Blighboy posted...

Remember when Pence when to a football game just to throw a fit.

Not really "throwing a fit," but this bill would have saved the taxpayers a little money... assuming he paid for the tickets in the first place.

TyVulpine posted...

Its ironically funny (and sad) when the right calls liberals snowflakes, yet get offended when people exercise their freedom of speech and act like snowflakes themselves.....

"Complaining about our complaining makes you a snowflake!" is ironic, considering that SJWs previously had their whole "We don't have to tolerate your intolerance" routine.

Questionmarktarius posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Zeus posted...

just like that one bill which would have forced men to swear on a Bible that they're only buying Viagra to have sex with their wife

Source, please.

It seems it was a democrat protesting an abortion bill.

http://time.com/4224832/kentucky-viagra-bill/

Oh, so "joke" legislation then.

Same as this, just grandstanding to send a political/social message. Surprised you knew nothing about it.
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That's fucking ridiculous. There is way too much "I'm offended" nowadays.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

That's fucking ridiculous. There is way too much "I'm offended" nowadays.

You mean like letting people kneel when they should be doing their damn jobs? If anybody else symbolically protested on a daily basis at their job because something offended them, they'd likely be shown the door.
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Zeus posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

That's fucking ridiculous. There is way too much "I'm offended" nowadays.

You mean like letting people kneel when they should be doing their damn jobs? If anybody else symbolically protested on a daily basis at their job because something offended them, they'd likely be shown the door.

Why do people keep saying they arent doing their jobs? They still play the whole game, its not like theyre kneeling and then sitting on the bench and refusing to play.

And at most jobs they dont play the national anthem to begin with. I guarantee you that you wouldnt get fired at work if you were protesting in a way that didnt break company rules and didnt actually prevent you from doing your job effectively.
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Zeus posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

That's fucking ridiculous. There is way too much "I'm offended" nowadays.

You mean like letting people kneel when they should be doing their damn jobs? If anybody else symbolically protested on a daily basis at their job because something offended them, they'd likely be shown the door.

Aww, are you offended by people exercising their first amendment rights in a way that in no way actually affects your personal life?
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I live in Indiana and I fucking welcome this bill. Not because I Am offended by sports teams kneeling during the national anthem. But because I find the idea that a NFL player who gets paid millions each game and basically gets to play sports for a living somehow thinks they get to complain about "oppression."

The whole thing is asinine.
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Chr0noid posted...

I live in Indiana and I fucking welcome this bill. Not because I Am offended by sports teams kneeling during the national anthem. But because I find the idea that a NFL player who gets paid millions each game and basically gets to play sports for a living somehow thinks they get to complain about "oppression."

The whole thing is asinine.

People with an audience are some of the best ones to speak up for those that otherwise wouldnt be heard. Im not sure why you think someones standing in life somehow disqualifies them from having a position on the issue. A lot of these players came from bad neighborhoods and most likely witnessed exactly what theyre protesting by kneeling.
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Chr0noid posted...

Not because I Am offended by sports teams kneeling during the national anthem. But because I find the idea that a NFL player who gets paid millions each game and basically gets to play sports for a living somehow thinks they get to complain about "oppression."

So in other words you actually are offended by it

Also, nobody in the NFL make "millions" per game. Only a small percentage of players even make a million per game. The average salary in the NFL is $1.9 million annually, which is low six figures per game, and the minimum salary in the NFL is about $30,000 per game. Still a lot more money than the average person makes, but we need to stop perpetuating this myth that every pro athlete is filthy rich.

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Chr0noid posted...

I live in Indiana and I fucking welcome this bill. Not because I Am offended by sports teams kneeling during the national anthem. But because I find the idea that a NFL player who gets paid millions each game and basically gets to play sports for a living somehow thinks they get to complain about "oppression."

The whole thing is asinine.

People with an audience are some of the best ones to speak up for those that otherwise wouldnt be heard. Im not sure why you think someones standing in life somehow disqualifies them from having a position on the issue. A lot of these players came from bad neighborhoods and most likely witnessed exactly what theyre protesting by kneeling.

yeah b-but they make more money than me right now which means they aren't allowed to advocate for shit!! spoiled brats!!
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SteamedHams posted...

Also, nobody in the NFL make "millions" per game. Only a small percentage of players even make a million per game. The average salary in the NFL is $1.9 million annually, which is low six figures per game, and the minimum salary in the NFL is about $30,000 per game. Still a lot more money than the average person makes, but we need to stop perpetuating this myth that every pro athlete is filthy rich.

And the average sports career is only 3-4 years, so thats about $6-$8 million total they would make, and thats just the pros. Most athletes (especially baseball players) never make it out of the minors.
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TyVulpine posted...

SteamedHams posted...

Also, nobody in the NFL make "millions" per game. Only a small percentage of players even make a million per game. The average salary in the NFL is $1.9 million annually, which is low six figures per game, and the minimum salary in the NFL is about $30,000 per game. Still a lot more money than the average person makes, but we need to stop perpetuating this myth that every pro athlete is filthy rich.

And the average sports career is only 3-4 years, so thats about $6-$8 million total they would make, and thats just the pros. Most athletes (especially baseball players) never make it out of the minors.

What does how much they make have to do with anything? Nothing? Oh, ok.
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EvilMegas posted...

TyVulpine posted...

SteamedHams posted...

Also, nobody in the NFL make "millions" per game. Only a small percentage of players even make a million per game. The average salary in the NFL is $1.9 million annually, which is low six figures per game, and the minimum salary in the NFL is about $30,000 per game. Still a lot more money than the average person makes, but we need to stop perpetuating this myth that every pro athlete is filthy rich.

And the average sports career is only 3-4 years, so thats about $6-$8 million total they would make, and thats just the pros. Most athletes (especially baseball players) never make it out of the minors.

What does how much they make have to do with anything? Nothing? Oh, ok.

Ask SteamedHams, he brought it up.
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People go to see football.

Not political or social propaganda.

Players can express their views on their own personal time.
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

People go to see football.

Not political or social propaganda.

Players can express their views on their own personal time.

Thats for the company they work for to decide when its time to negotiate a new CBA. Lawmakers shouldnt be getting involved at all, these players have broken no laws by kneeling. If the NFL wants to issue refunds to butthurt fans who allow 60 seconds of kneeling to ruin their day thats on the NFL, but the politicians need to stay out of it.
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EvilMegas posted...

What does how much they make have to do with anything? Nothing? Oh, ok.

Calm damn, we weren't the ones doing the whole "THEY MAKE MILLIONS SO THEY SHOULD SHUT UP" spiel.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

People go to see football.

Not political or social propaganda.

Players can express their views on their own personal time.

Theyre doing it during the National Anthem, so its not like theyre delaying the game or anything.
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It wasn't geared toward anyone, it was toward the argument itself
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Fair enough. The way you quoted it just made it seem like Ty was somehow at fault even though he's pointing out another reason why it's a stupid argument

That was my bad, I do that alot of the time.
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When you're at work, that's company time. Meaning you can't publicise personal political opinions while on duty without the employers approval.

You want to bring awareness to a cause? You make a PSA on your own time, just like other celebrities do.
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Strictly speaking, they aren't publicizing any opinions while on duty. They explain what it's about outside of the game, and on actual game days it's just a nonverbal gesture.

Is there even any requirement stating they have to stand for the anthem? If there is, you know it's just a technicality and that's not the real reason you disapprove of it. I'm sure there are lots of minor things people violate about their jobs regularly that you don't bat an eye at. They can try to make them stand but you and I both know that these guys don't earn their checks for their ability to stand during a song.

Amuseum posted...

When you're at work, that's company time. Meaning you can't publicise personal political opinions while on duty without the employers approval.

You want to bring awareness to a cause? You make a PSA on your own time, just like other celebrities do.

Except its not a political opinion, the kneeling is about social injustices.
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Ty
you forget. all this bs was to mask the social injustices and make it about trump and the gop. these protest were on going the year before and no big huff untill the child in chief tweeted about it. then the sheepish population ate it up. americans are truly stupid.
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SteamedHams posted...

Strictly speaking, they aren't publicizing any opinions while on duty. They explain what it's about outside of the game, and on actual game days it's just a nonverbal gesture.

Is there even any requirement stating they have to stand for the anthem? If there is, you know it's just a technicality and that's not the real reason you disapprove of it. I'm sure there are lots of minor things people violate about their jobs regularly that you don't bat an eye at. They can try to make them stand but you and I both know that these guys don't earn their checks for their ability to stand during a song.

Thats just it, they arent required by the league to stand. Its encouraged but they dont have to so they arent violating any codes of conduct or anything by kneeling. If the NFL feels that theyre taking enough of a hit from a financial standpoint to actually try to make it mandatory theyll have to try when they negotiate a new deal with the players.
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

SteamedHams posted...

Strictly speaking, they aren't publicizing any opinions while on duty. They explain what it's about outside of the game, and on actual game days it's just a nonverbal gesture.

Is there even any requirement stating they have to stand for the anthem? If there is, you know it's just a technicality and that's not the real reason you disapprove of it. I'm sure there are lots of minor things people violate about their jobs regularly that you don't bat an eye at. They can try to make them stand but you and I both know that these guys don't earn their checks for their ability to stand during a song.

Thats just it, they arent required by the league to stand. Its encouraged but they dont have to so they arent violating any codes of conduct or anything by kneeling. If the NFL feels that theyre taking enough of a hit from a financial standpoint to actually try to make it mandatory theyll have to try when they negotiate a new deal with the players.

But the NFLPA could sue on the grounds of it violating the first amendment and thus be unconstitutional.
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TyVulpine posted...

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

SteamedHams posted...

Strictly speaking, they aren't publicizing any opinions while on duty. They explain what it's about outside of the game, and on actual game days it's just a nonverbal gesture.

Is there even any requirement stating they have to stand for the anthem? If there is, you know it's just a technicality and that's not the real reason you disapprove of it. I'm sure there are lots of minor things people violate about their jobs regularly that you don't bat an eye at. They can try to make them stand but you and I both know that these guys don't earn their checks for their ability to stand during a song.

Thats just it, they arent required by the league to stand. Its encouraged but they dont have to so they arent violating any codes of conduct or anything by kneeling. If the NFL feels that theyre taking enough of a hit from a financial standpoint to actually try to make it mandatory theyll have to try when they negotiate a new deal with the players.

But the NFLPA could sue on the grounds of it violating the first amendment and thus be unconstitutional.

True. I dont personally think the NFL is taking that much of a financial hit behind the kneeling (despite what some sources would claim) so I dont even think the owners will bring it up. But if they wanted to that would be the place to do it, at the negotiating table. Its not for some attention hungry politician to waste time on.
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In the Midwest, where all the poor whites who thought trump would fight for them (lolz) and actually believe that the kneeling is a protest against the military (fyi: it isn't), they are actively not watching football.

It really is a shame how rampant ignorance is in America. It's also a shame that the government (aka, our corporate overlords (see corporate oligarchy)) is using the media to dumb down society and use outright lies to further remove freedoms.
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