Poll of the Day > Broke Christians LOSE and Must Pay $135,000 to LESBIANS for being HOMOPHOBIC!!!

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NightShift
12/29/17 2:55:30 PM
#51:


oh and a business can be privately owned but if its open to the public they cant discriminate. dont like gays shopping there? require membership and close it to the public. or yall want blacks... err... gay only bathrooms and waterfountains too?
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 2:57:30 PM
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NightShift posted...
yall would be cool for me refusing service to christians and conservatives just for being who they are? just wanna make sure there's no hypocrisy here. like in the story about a store refusing service to those in maga hats?

You could refuse me service personally because I am me, that's your right, I'll just think you're a dick.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 3:04:03 PM
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NightShift posted...
oh and a business can be privately owned but if its open to the public they cant discriminate. dont like gays shopping there? require membership and close it to the public. or yall want blacks... err... gay only bathrooms and waterfountains too?

If somebody wants to do that then I doubt they'd get much service, but if they did then they would be in business because of democracy and the area doesn't actually approve of homosexuals.

If a place wants to be a bunch of racist, sexist, homophobic, bible-thumping hicks then that's their right, we don't agree with them but it's not the government's responsibility to suppress them, it's our job to help the poor bastards see how wrong they are.
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Zeus
12/29/17 3:08:23 PM
#54:


NightShift posted...
yall would be cool for me refusing service to christians and conservatives just for being who they are? just wanna make sure there's no hypocrisy here. like in the story about a store refusing service to those in maga hats?


You could legally do it right now, afaik. And the people who refused service to a maga hat wearer didn't get sued into the ground. But sure, if these laws were consistent, either they would be sued or nobody would be sued.

NightShift posted...
oh and a business can be privately owned but if its open to the public they cant discriminate. dont like gays shopping there? require membership and close it to the public. or yall want blacks... err... gay only bathrooms and waterfountains too?


lolwut? Do you not understand how any of that works? In one breath, you're saying, "Well, discrimination should be illegal!" and in the next you're suggesting that businesses do something which is literally illegal and essentially the same thing you said they shouldn't be able to do.
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Andromicus
12/29/17 3:17:38 PM
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You say they could go to another shop as it's the free market, yatta yatta, but how many shops could turn them away before it does become a problem?
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 3:33:46 PM
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Andromicus posted...
You say they could go to another shop as it's the free market, yatta yatta, but how many shops could turn them away before it does become a problem?

Not to be a dick, but if your area disapproves of your life so consistently you have difficulty getting services, maybe it's time to move? I can't imagine women choosing to live in SAE because the people should be reasonable and decent.
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Troll_Police_
12/29/17 3:42:04 PM
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NightShift posted...
yall would be cool for me refusing service to christians and conservatives just for being who they are? just wanna make sure there's no hypocrisy here. like in the story about a store refusing service to those in maga hats?


abso-fucking-lutely

i have exactly 0 interest in doing business with a business that has 0 interest in doing business with me. id much rather take my money to a shop that DOESNT discriminate and just let the free market take care of it instead of crying to big daddy government every time.
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Troll_Police_
12/29/17 3:43:43 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Andromicus posted...
You say they could go to another shop as it's the free market, yatta yatta, but how many shops could turn them away before it does become a problem?

Not to be a dick, but if your area disapproves of your life so consistently you have difficulty getting services, maybe it's time to move? I can't imagine women choosing to live in SAE because the people should be reasonable and decent.


or you could even bust your ass and start your own business and try to edge the offending party out of the market like a driven person.

it requires effort though, and liberals all just want something for nothing.
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Nightengale
12/29/17 3:45:27 PM
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or like, accessing a service doesn't mean you want to start providing that service... weird i know
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Troll_Police_
12/29/17 3:49:16 PM
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Nightengale posted...
or like, accessing a service doesn't mean you want to start providing that service... weird i know


hey, if you feel strongly enough to start a lawsuit over it every time you get your feelings hurt then evidently its pretty important to you.

but youre right, its best to just sue and force people to do business with you. sounds great. sounds like liberty.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 3:51:15 PM
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Nightengale posted...
or like, accessing a service doesn't mean you want to start providing that service... weird i know

If you don't want to put the effort in to help your own that's fine, but it doesn't put you on strong footing to complain that other people don't support your group either.
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Mead
12/29/17 3:54:51 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Also, isn't being forced to work ... slavery?


A slave is property and has no rights of their own

Being mandated to work is not slavery. They are being paid, the money is just going toward the debt they owe. Maybe the time they spend collecting cans will give them plenty of time to consider the whole unconditional love thing that Christ talked about.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 3:59:12 PM
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Mead posted...
Maybe the time they spend collecting cans will give them plenty of time to consider the whole unconditional love thing that Christ talked about.

They didn't attack the lesbians, they simply made clear they didn't want to engage in something that appears to be a sin. They served the girls before with no issue because they love the people, they just also hate the sin.

Jesus befriended a hooker, he didn't agree to help her get clients though.
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benbeverfaqs
12/29/17 8:35:56 PM
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These bakers have religious freedom. And they don't appreciate it.
They live in a great country. They are free to believe what they want. They are free to read what they want, pray how they want to, attend a church of choice, even build their own church. Most people in the world are not so lucky.

If they are ever in danger, police/firemen/paramedics will come to their aid. Without refusing them for their skin colour, gender or political views.
If they are hungry they can buy any food they want wherever they want. Without being rejected based on their hair color or on their choice of partner in life.

I have a really hard time understanding why people who live in a system like that can be hateful and start discriminating other people based on how they were born or on their life choices.
I mean, I don't want to marry a guy, but if some other guy does, then who am I to refuse him his happiness? I don't want to be forced in my choices, so why should I force other people?

These bakers are making a mockery of "religious freedom". They were just asked to bake a cake and not be discriminatory about it. If you start allowing discrimination for simple things (like refusing to sell a cake) then it'll start to turn ugly really quick. First the guy couple is refused a cake, a bit later they're refused food and drinks in lots of shops. And after the gay couple it's other groups turn. No cake and good food for people with the wrong religion etc. That path can only lead to hatred and apartheid.
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Kyuubi4269
12/29/17 8:43:20 PM
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benbeverfaqs posted...
If they are ever in danger, police/firemen/paramedics will come to their aid. Without refusing them for their skin colour, gender or political views.

Here's where you don't understand the controversy at all. Christianity doesn't promote endangering sinners, all life is equally valued and any service available to a devout Christian is available to all people as it doesn't go against their beliefs. The issue is that the bakers don't want to help the set up of a lesbian marriage as it goes against their religious beliefs. The bakers don't want to defy God's wishes and that is basically the main point of religion; if you make them defy their God then they mustn't have religious freedom.

Edit: Let's also note that people are allowed to refuse other people business indiscriminately, they normally don't have to make wedding cakes for anybody. The suing only takes place because protected classes trump religious freedom.
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SkynyrdRocker
12/29/17 10:04:04 PM
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So where are we on one of you guys doing this to me so I can make a quick buck?
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Troll_Police_
12/30/17 12:25:24 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
benbeverfaqs posted...
If they are ever in danger, police/firemen/paramedics will come to their aid. Without refusing them for their skin colour, gender or political views.

Here's where you don't understand the controversy at all. Christianity doesn't promote endangering sinners, all life is equally valued and any service available to a devout Christian is available to all people as it doesn't go against their beliefs. The issue is that the bakers don't want to help the set up of a lesbian marriage as it goes against their religious beliefs. The bakers don't want to defy God's wishes and that is basically the main point of religion; if you make them defy their God then they mustn't have religious freedom.

Edit: Let's also note that people are allowed to refuse other people business indiscriminately, they normally don't have to make wedding cakes for anybody. The suing only takes place because protected classes trump religious freedom.


the idea of protected classes is fucking ludicrous bigotry at its finest
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SushiSquid
12/30/17 1:33:41 AM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
the idea of protected classes is fucking ludicrous bigotry at its finest

100% chance you are white, male, and heterosexual (which, for the record, so am I). You not realizing the importance doesn't mean it isn't there. Protected classes are an unfortunate necessity of our culture. In a perfect system, protected classes would be silly. Humans do not make perfect systems.

Now, the huge penalty against those business owners does seem too far. I don't want to see the place go under for a stupid move. They just also shouldn't be hateful bigots who refuse to serve people. Justifying hate with religion is bull shit.
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Noop_Noop
12/30/17 1:44:39 AM
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Sasamichan posted...
If you serve the public, you serve the public. That couple has done nothing wrong to warrant denial of service. What if I refused service to a veteran cause my religious belief is anti-war?


Then people will stop paying for your services and you'll go out of business they way capitalism intended
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Troll_Police_
12/30/17 1:54:18 AM
#71:


SushiSquid posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
the idea of protected classes is fucking ludicrous bigotry at its finest

100% chance you are white, male, and heterosexual (which, for the record, so am I). You not realizing the importance doesn't mean it isn't there. Protected classes are an unfortunate necessity of our culture. In a perfect system, protected classes would be silly. Humans do not make perfect systems.

Now, the huge penalty against those business owners does seem too far. I don't want to see the place go under for a stupid move. They just also shouldn't be hateful bigots who refuse to serve people. Justifying hate with religion is bull shit.


I am, but I'm also disabled, so I'm legally protected from people hurting my feelings. Maybe I should find a gay bakery and go in there asking for a cake with a Westboro Baptist logo and then sue when they refuse and claim emotional distress.
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adjl
12/30/17 2:40:41 AM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
I am, but I'm also disabled, so I'm legally protected from people hurting my feelings.


On the basis of your disability? Yes, actually. On any other basis? Not so much. Nobody is saying you can't refuse to bake a cake for a gay person. You just can't do so on the basis of their sexuality. Don't like it? Take it up with the assholes that made gays a disadvantaged class in the first place, because it's mitigating that damage that necessitates protecting them against further damages. Don't blame the people who just want a cake for what's supposed to be the happiest day of their lives.
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Nightengale
12/30/17 2:54:24 AM
#73:


Troll_Police_ posted...
Maybe I should find a gay bakery and go in there asking for a cake with a Westboro Baptist logo and then sue when they refuse and claim emotional distress.

please do this and update us. i mean it's easy money right? why isn't everyone doing this?
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BrutonGaster
12/30/17 6:18:15 AM
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This world is just getting worse and worse every day. I hope the Kleins manage to get back on their feet.
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Roy_Turkey
12/30/17 7:14:43 AM
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I'd support a Religious Freedom War.

Now excuse me I have to go have a look at my Stocks...

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goooooBills
12/30/17 12:31:16 PM
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A lot of the arguments excusing the bakery owners seem a little off. We aren't living in a truly capitalist society for starters. There are countless regulations and laws that you need to follow. If you want to refuse someone service, fine, but your reasoning can't be based on discrimination.

Trying to protect yourself by making it a religious issue is ludicrous. Would they refuse a cake to someone getting married for the 2nd or 3rd time? I'm fairly certain that divorce is against the "rules" in most christian religions.

What ever happened to hate the sin, but love the sinner? Religious people are so hypocritical it makes my brain hurt.
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wwinterj25
12/30/17 12:48:32 PM
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Somewhat relevant:
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LinkPizza
12/30/17 1:33:47 PM
#78:


Zeus posted...
slacker03150 posted...
Iirc they were regular customers there, the owners just didnt want to make a wedding cake.


If they were regular customers who liked the business, they wouldn't have tried to fuck them like that. It's a safe bet they did that shit knowing that there'd be a payday. Weddings are expensive, after all.

Actually, I would probably be more mad if it was a place I regularly went to...

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Andromicus posted...
You say they could go to another shop as it's the free market, yatta yatta, but how many shops could turn them away before it does become a problem?

Not to be a dick, but if your area disapproves of your life so consistently you have difficulty getting services, maybe it's time to move? I can't imagine women choosing to live in SAE because the people should be reasonable and decent.

Not everyone can just move. They could be stuck there because they have a house that they're trying to sell, or because of work. Or any number of reasons.

Troll_Police_ posted...
Nightengale posted...
or like, accessing a service doesn't mean you want to start providing that service... weird i know


hey, if you feel strongly enough to start a lawsuit over it every time you get your feelings hurt then evidently its pretty important to you.

but youre right, its best to just sue and force people to do business with you. sounds great. sounds like liberty.

Not really. Buying a wedding cake isn't something you have to do everyday. It's important for a very short amount of time. Haha. And they might not be in a position to just quit their jobs to start a business that might not even pick up.
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LinkPizza
12/30/17 1:33:53 PM
#79:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe the time they spend collecting cans will give them plenty of time to consider the whole unconditional love thing that Christ talked about.

They didn't attack the lesbians, they simply made clear they didn't want to engage in something that appears to be a sin. They served the girls before with no issue because they love the people, they just also hate the sin.

Jesus befriended a hooker, he didn't agree to help her get clients though.

Or they served them because they didn't know. That seems more likely. Since they thought that there was a groom involved.
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Roy_Turkey
12/31/17 5:14:21 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Somewhat relevant:
I0OoGMK


Fuck the animation LMFAO!

This reminds me of EA.
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