Current Events > Just to be clear on the whole NFL kneeling thing

(+) Yeah! (+)

That's where the line is drawn I guess?
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That appears to be the case.
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Out of sight, out of mind. The kneeling thing was in plain sight and was intended to provoke discussion.
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So you're saying the kneeling thing and its message is not all negated because of those claims? Got it.
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It's not particularly surprising considering Republicans were willing to handwave child molestation (i.e. Roger Moore). Anything that attacks their brainless patriotism matters more to them than these things.
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Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!
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Resolution posted...

It's not particularly surprising considering Republicans were willing to handwave child molestation (i.e. Roger Moore).

I hope James Bond wasn't a child molester.
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K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

Sadly.

Antifar posted...

I hope James Bond wasn't a child molester.

Or a women beater.
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K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

Right on the money
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K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

I don't think it's odd to say that most people don't like protests against things they like in general and don't want protesters period, but still prefer one evil over another.
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"Grrr. Silent observe our "protest" with no objections you idiots!"
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

I don't think it's odd to say that most people don't like protests against things they like in general and don't want protesters period, but still prefer one evil over another.

The trouble is when they start complaining about the act of protesting and not what is being protested about. There is literally no more polite way to protest than this but people will still tell you that it's inappropriate and should be banned.
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Pretty much just as discussed here. If these people raped or beat their SO in the middle of the game and on camera itd be the most widely discussed incident in ages. If these people complained about civil rights in their bedroom with only one person present and was treated as a secret (just like these peoples actions) nobody would give a flying fuck.

Its almost like people seem to forget that the kneeling is done EXCLUSIVELY to bring attention to an issue, and then they complain that its getting attention. And if people were to kneel and no one noticed or cared, theyd still claim that them being ignored has something to do with racism.

Whatever reaction the attention whores get, they can spin it in their favor. Its that simple. Genius really.
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

"Grrr. Silent observe our "protest" with no objections you idiots!"

You tried oh so desperately
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2SweetforTurtle posted...

Pretty much just as discussed here. If these people raped or beat their SO in the middle of the game and on camera itd be the most widely discussed incident in ages. If these people complained about civil rights in their bedroom with only one person present and was treated as a secret (just like these peoples actions) nobody would give a flying fuck.

Its almost like people seem to forget that the kneeling is done EXCLUSIVELY to bring attention to an issue, and then they complain that its getting attention. And if people were to kneel an no one notice or care, theyd still claim that them being ignored has something to do with racism.

Whatever reaction the attention whores get, they can spin it in their favor. Its that simple. Genius really.

The trouble is when they start complaining about the act of protesting and not what is being protested about. There is literally no more polite way to protest than this but people will still tell you that it's inappropriate and should be banned.

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pinky0926 posted...

That's where the line is drawn I guess?

Blue_Inigo posted...

K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

Right on the money

Pretty much.

NFL players committing crimes? No problem. NFL players speaking out against white police officers' ability to beat up, shoot, or kill black people without facing legal consequences? Grab the torches and pitchforks. The fans boycotting and the owners trying to shut down the anthem protests are all hypocrites, and likely racists too. They just want to watch the modern-day equivalent of gladiator combat from their high horse without caring about the safety and rights (including free speech) of the competitors. Then they try to change the argument into "disrespecting the flag" to skirt around the actual issues at hand, police brutality and non-white people being treated unfairly.
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pinky0926 posted...

2SweetforTurtle posted...

Pretty much just as discussed here. If these people raped or beat their SO in the middle of the game and on camera itd be the most widely discussed incident in ages. If these people complained about civil rights in their bedroom with only one person present and was treated as a secret (just like these peoples actions) nobody would give a flying fuck.

Its almost like people seem to forget that the kneeling is done EXCLUSIVELY to bring attention to an issue, and then they complain that its getting attention. And if people were to kneel an no one notice or care, theyd still claim that them being ignored has something to do with racism.

Whatever reaction the attention whores get, they can spin it in their favor. Its that simple. Genius really.

The trouble is when they start complaining about the act of protesting and not what is being protested about. There is literally no more polite way to protest than this but people will still tell you that it's inappropriate and should be banned.

And I both agree and disagree with this too. I understand the issue of people complaining about how the protesting is occurring and that most people dont acknowledge the issues at hand. But in the end of the day, thats Kapernicks fault.

When Lebron James and D wade chose to speak their mind on the issue, they did it while they were on stage and had an audience. They spoke for a minute about the injustices many people face today. Their message was simple and clear, and did not offend anyone, perhaps unless they were racist.

On the other hand, Colin knew he sucked at his sport and had no opportunity to try to use his own influence like Lebron had, having been called upon to be a presenter or host at an event or something like that. Therefore he chose to do it during the anthem because thats one of the few times hed be able to reach many at once. The problem is that the anthem will ALWAYS be a touchy subject for many Americans. He had zero regard for those hed upset, not because of his message (because people being upset with his message is a good thing), but for the time he chose to protest.

I myself am a minority and agree that there are issues at hand that need addressing, but I will never side with Kapernicks actions. There are a billion other ways to protest, and not offend those who you have no need to offend. He didnt do it to bring attention to the issue, he did it to bring attention to himself.
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The kneeling thing was shown on TV over and over and over, every game, every week. If the other stuff was shown before every single game then people would talk about it.
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pinky0926 posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

I don't think it's odd to say that most people don't like protests against things they like in general and don't want protesters period, but still prefer one evil over another.

The trouble is when they start complaining about the act of protesting and not what is being protested about. There is literally no more polite way to protest than this but people will still tell you that it's inappropriate and should be banned.

I don't know about "polite". It's an extreme disrespect to the nation to protest something like the anthem all because of one issue that happens to occur within the country. You don't protest the entire country you live in unless you're trying to start a revolution. He sees the country itself as a symbol of oppression and that's what people take issue with.
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pinky0926 posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

I don't think it's odd to say that most people don't like protests against things they like in general and don't want protesters period, but still prefer one evil over another.

The trouble is when they start complaining about the act of protesting and not what is being protested about. There is literally no more polite way to protest than this but people will still tell you that it's inappropriate and should be banned.

What is being protested?
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's an extreme disrespect to the nation to protest something like the anthem all because of one issue that happens to occur within the country.

Exercising your rights during the national anthem? Seems rather appropriate to me. That's exactly what our nation's veterans fought for.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

What is being protested?

Originally it was playing time that was being protested. And then it turned into a half white guy that lived a pretty damn good life complaining about how black people are treated.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Originally it was playing time that was being protested.

What
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

a half white guy

People who say things like this (usually about Obama) willingly ignore the context of how race exists in American society.
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Random Twitter idiot logic.

People most certainly said things about all of those when they happened while the player was active. In the second case, Josh Brown was fired and blacklisted from the NFL.
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StridentArremer posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It's an extreme disrespect to the nation to protest something like the anthem all because of one issue that happens to occur within the country.

Exercising your rights during the national anthem? Seems rather appropriate to me. That's exactly what our nation's veterans fought for.

You don't protest the country itself unless you're intending to start a revolution.

The founding fathers gave us the tools to revolt if the country becomes tyrannical. That doesn't mean they'd always side with those revolutionaries.
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Antifar posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

a half white guy

People who say things like this (usually about Obama) willingly ignore the context of how race exists in American society.

Most people without prior knowledge think he's just Mediterranean or something. That's why he grew out his afro after the protests.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

You don't protest the country itself

They aren't protesting the country itself
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Given the optics of seemingly protesting the flag, the target of his protest was a poor tactical choice. If you notice, all anyone seems to talk about is whether it's disrespectful or not. He should have anticipated that. It's obscured his message. People hold the flag and anthem in a very special and sensitive regard. Perhaps I could be persuaded otherwise, but it doesn't look like this form of protest was necessarily well thought out.
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On the other hand, Colin knew he sucked at his sport and had no opportunity to try to use his own influence like Lebron had, having been called upon to be a presenter or host at an event or something like that. Therefore he chose to do it during the anthem because thats one of the few times hed be able to reach many at once.

Are you fucking kidding me? Kaep sacrificed at least tens of millions of dollars by protesting. He doesnt suck at his sport and he would have a job if he wasnt blackballed. You are pathetic.
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Conceivably, he could've protested in a way that would've engendered sympathy instead of offense.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

revolutionaries

Weak.

Kaepernick wasn't even protesting originally. He sat on the bench during the anthem because he was pissy that he lost his starting job to Gabbert. This happened for a few weeks without him saying a word until a reporter asked why he wasn't standing with the rest of his team. He made up some shit about "issues in America" as an excuse when he got called out, then went with this as a social justice movement as he started getting attention.
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Donomark posted...

Given the optics of seemingly protesting the flag, the target of his protest was a poor tactical choice. If you notice, all anyone seems to talk about is whether it's disrespectful or not. He should have anticipated that. It's obscured his message. People hold the flag and anthem in a very special and sensitive regard. Perhaps I could be persuaded otherwise, but it doesn't look like this form of protest was necessarily well thought out.

You realize how horrible it is to have rules for protest right. That's some dictator level shit.
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The Admiral posted...

He sat on the bench during the anthem because he was pissy that he lost his starting job to Gabbert.

Source?
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Resolution posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

"Grrr. Silent observe our "protest" with no objections you idiots!"

You tried oh so desperately

Resolution posted...

It's not particularly surprising considering Republicans were willing to handwave child molestation (i.e. Roger Moore). Anything that attacks their brainless patriotism matters more to them than these things.

You were saying?

And he isn't wrong. Why shouldn't protests be criticized?

Funny how the NFL didn't care with Colin practiced with socks depicting cops as pigs yet denied Dallas using decal to honor the fallen police officers that were killed during the BLM protest.

Its Called conservative fascism TC
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CableZL posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

You don't protest the country itself

They aren't protesting the country itself

They are. That's what protesting the national anthem represents, regardless of their intentions.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

They are.

They aren't
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The Admiral posted...

Kaepernick wasn't even protesting originally. He sat on the bench during the anthem because he was pissy that he lost his starting job to Gabbert. This happened for a few weeks without him saying a word until a reporter asked why he wasn't standing with the rest of his team. He made up some shit about "issues in America" as an excuse when he got called out, then went with this as a social justice movement as he started getting attention.

Kaepernick did not lose his job to Gabbert. He was hurt.

The narrative is trash.
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3khc posted...

Donomark posted...

Given the optics of seemingly protesting the flag, the target of his protest was a poor tactical choice. If you notice, all anyone seems to talk about is whether it's disrespectful or not. He should have anticipated that. It's obscured his message. People hold the flag and anthem in a very special and sensitive regard. Perhaps I could be persuaded otherwise, but it doesn't look like this form of protest was necessarily well thought out.

You realize how horrible it is to have rules for protest right. That's some dictator level shit.

If the rules were codified it would indeed be horrendous. That said, I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that, from the perspective of implementing tactics for a movement, this generates too much poor PR and obscures its intended message. During the Civil Rights Movement, Dr. King was very disciplined and focused with respect to how he came off and how protests were communicated to the public. I think he demonstrated savvy that Kaepernick lacks and could learn from.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kaepernick wasn't even protesting originally. He sat on the bench during the anthem because he was pissy that he lost his starting job to Gabbert. This happened for a few weeks without him saying a word until a reporter asked why he wasn't standing with the rest of his team. He made up some shit about "issues in America" as an excuse when he got called out, then went with this as a social justice movement as he started getting attention.

Kaepernick did not lose his job to Gabbert. He was hurt.

The narrative is trash.

Admiral is known trash
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That's a really disturbing but necessary and beautiful image in the OP. Thanks for posting it :\
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they are disrespecting the troops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If an NFL player beat his wife on the field before the game, I'm pretty sure there'd be a stronger reaction than what we're seeing to kneeling. It's not surprising that people get pissy about something that happens during a game on TV vs. something that some random player did on his own time. If Colin Kaepernick took a knee before we went to bed at night no one would give a shit.

That said, I agree with K181 posted...

Idiots: Protest in a non-violent way that doesn't inconvenience others!
NFL players: *quietly takes a knee*
Idiots: No! Not like that!

Getting upset about this was stupid.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

They are. That's what protesting the national anthem represents, regardless of their intentions.

YIKES
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People care more about a flag and their country's supposed image more than murder and abuse by the police or the mass corruption by our current government and all the non-rich people getting fucked over by said government.

Gullible idiots get roped into this nationalistic mindset and have an idealistic view of authority. The government uses this tactic to stifle criticism and change. How does it feel to be useful idiots (again) right wingers?
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There are all these laws about disrespecting the flag and standing for the national anthem is not one of them
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

The Admiral posted...

Kaepernick wasn't even protesting originally. He sat on the bench during the anthem because he was pissy that he lost his starting job to Gabbert. This happened for a few weeks without him saying a word until a reporter asked why he wasn't standing with the rest of his team. He made up some shit about "issues in America" as an excuse when he got called out, then went with this as a social justice movement as he started getting attention.

Kaepernick did not lose his job to Gabbert. He was hurt.

The narrative is trash.

Wrong:
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/49ers-colin-kaepernick-loses-starting-qb-job/

He lost it at the end of 2015 while he was healthy because his performance was shit. Gabbert kept the job into 2016, when Kaepernick had his tantrum.
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