Poll of the Day > Women in Ohio are now BANNED from an ABORTION if their child has DOWN SYNDROME!

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Republican Governor and former 2016 Presidential Candidate, John Kasich has BANNED women from wanting an abortion based on a diagnosis of DOWN SYNDROME!!

Ohio joins other sttes with strict legislation on abortion that cleared the GOP led legislature with some Republican opposition and now it is CRIMINAL for a doctor to terminate a pregnancy based on Down Syndrome.

Down Syndrome is a genetic abnormality that causes developmental ddelays and medical conditions such as heart defects and respiratory and hearing problems.

If a doctor performs the procedure, they will face a 4th year felony and a doctor's license is revoked but pregnant women won't be penalized

His actions was a victory for anti-abortion group Ohio Right To Life which argued which will prevent discrimination based on "misinformation" as Mike Gonidakis said "Now that the Down Syndrome Non-Discrimination Act is law, unborn babies prenatally diagnosed with Down Syndrome are given a shot at life"

Abortion groups said this was another blow to women's constitutional right to legal abortion as Pro-Choice Ohio, Kellie Copeland said it does nothing to support families taking care of loved ones with Down Syndrome but exploits them as part of a larger anti-choice strategy to make all abortion illegal.

North Dakota and Indiana passed similar restrictions

Do you think women should be allowed to have an abortion if their unborn child has down syndrome?

John Kasich - Pro-Life Loon

http://tinyurl.com/y9r62kof

Abortion Clinic -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/22/19/4786B1DA00000578-5206685-image-a-34_1513972345646.jpg
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I voted for him
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Girl, drive to another state. I hate this country and its stupid fight over abortion laws.
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Just what we need, a bunch of down syndrome babies in the foster care system that Republicans will do everything in their power to avoid paying for.

That's among the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I live there. Lol. Won't stop me from driving somewhere else. It just screws over teen girls even more.
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LtCommanderData posted...

Just what we need, a bunch of down syndrome babies in the foster care system that Republicans will do everything in their power to avoid paying for.

Seriously. I read a bunch of articles about how Down Syndrome is essentially eradicated in Iceland because pretty much every woman that gets tested with a Down Syndrome positive result gets an abortion.

Now, I know that some people with Down Syndrome can live almost independent lives with little assistance but some are totally disabled and dependent on others for care until they die. There's a big range between. And you don't know the severity until it's born.

I don't see why if your baby has a potentially totally disabling disease or syndrome you would want to subject them to that. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Apparently, on the opposite spectrum, Iceland has nearly eliminated Down Syndrome in their country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

Edit: Dammit, Jen. You beat me to it.

I have a different perspective on this since I have a mental disorder I was born with. Some parents would have aborted me if they had known. I can't help but sympathize with the unborn

Snuggletoof posted...

Apparently, on the opposite spectrum, Iceland has nearly eliminated Down Syndrome in their country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

Edit: Dammit, Jen. You beat me to it.

Sorry but you posted a source so we tag teamed it!
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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think women should be allowed to have an abortion if their unborn child has down syndrome?

Duh.

Snuggletoof posted...

Apparently, on the opposite spectrum, Iceland has nearly eliminated Down Syndrome in their country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/down-syndrome-iceland/

Edit: Dammit, Jen. You beat me to it.

Yes, they're also big on infanticide rather than just abortion. Given that it might not show on a test, the extra (arguably barbaric) measure really helps to cut down on the overall number.
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Yellow posted...

It just screws over teen girls even more.

Serves them right for being dirty sex-havers!

</GOPlogic>
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Zeus posted...

Yes, they're also big on infanticide

I Googled this and didn't come up with any sources that appeared close to credible.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/233969

https://www.arkansasbaptist.org/read/iceland-embraces-infanticide-and-eugenics

Can you please provide your source?
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Also Zeus may have me ignored.
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Jen0125 posted...

LtCommanderData posted...

Just what we need, a bunch of down syndrome babies in the foster care system that Republicans will do everything in their power to avoid paying for.

Seriously. I read a bunch of articles about how Down Syndrome is essentially eradicated in Iceland because pretty much every woman that gets tested with a Down Syndrome positive result gets an abortion.

Yeah, Hitler had a good method for eradicating Jews too.
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

LtCommanderData posted...

Just what we need, a bunch of down syndrome babies in the foster care system that Republicans will do everything in their power to avoid paying for.

Seriously. I read a bunch of articles about how Down Syndrome is essentially eradicated in Iceland because pretty much every woman that gets tested with a Down Syndrome positive result gets an abortion.

Yeah, Hitler had a good method for eradicating Jews too.

Jewish people aren't mentally handicapped or physically disabled to the point of total assistance simply because they're Jewish. This comparison is so off base and offensive.
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Jen0125 posted...

Metal_Mario99 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

LtCommanderData posted...

Just what we need, a bunch of down syndrome babies in the foster care system that Republicans will do everything in their power to avoid paying for.

Seriously. I read a bunch of articles about how Down Syndrome is essentially eradicated in Iceland because pretty much every woman that gets tested with a Down Syndrome positive result gets an abortion.

Yeah, Hitler had a good method for eradicating Jews too.

Jewish people aren't mentally handicapped or physically disabled to the point of total assistance simply because they're Jewish. This comparison is so off base and offensive.

Killing unborn babies is off base and offensive.
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That's your opinion. Just because Donald Trump has banned the word "fetus" from the CDC doesn't change the fact that a fetus is not a baby and most abortions take place in early pregnancy.
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Jen0125 posted...

That's your opinion. Just because Donald Trump has banned the word "fetus" from the CDC doesn't change the fact that a fetus is not a baby and most abortions take place in early pregnancy.

Democrats say the Republicans are the anti-science party, but it's the Democrats who believe that unborn babies aren't alive, a man can become a woman by putting on a wig, and the world is going to end because Al Gore says so.
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Metal_Mario probably sympathizes with fetuses because they have about the same IQ.
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No one says they aren't alive. Of course they're alive. The argument is whether they have independent rights before birth. They aren't even sentient. They aren't able to live independently without a host body until late in pregnancy. The debate is whether their rights supercede the mother's rights.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

Metal_Mario probably sympathizes with fetuses because they have about the same IQ.

I sympathize with fetuses because they can't defend themselves against people who murder them and then sell off their pieces.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

Metal_Mario probably sympathizes with fetuses because they have about the same IQ.

That seems way too generous.
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

GanonsSpirit posted...

Metal_Mario probably sympathizes with fetuses because they have about the same IQ.

I sympathize with fetuses because they can't defend themselves against people who murder them and then sell off their pieces.

Fetal stem cells are vital for scientific research for a lot of potential medical breakthroughs. If we already have the necessary evil (evil to some) of abortion, why shouldn't make something positive out of it? Is it the profit motive that bothers you? Because I can agree that if that happens and is proven that it could be questionable.
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adjl posted...

Yellow posted...

It just screws over teen girls even more.

Serves them right for being dirty sex-havers!

</GOPlogic>

Women are basically incubators to them.

I see "Choose life" signs everywhere. Pretty damn misleading, choosing life would be pro-choice.
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Jen0125 posted...

Jewish people aren't mentally handicapped or physically disabled to the point of total assistance simply because they're Jewish.

Eh, you could actually argue in favour of aborting Jewish pregnancies in Nazi Germany based on the exceedingly poor quality of life they'd be expected to face, which is fundamentally the same justification typically used for aborting fetuses with serious genetic diseases.

Yellow posted...

I see "Choose life" signs everywhere. Pretty damn misleading, choosing life would be pro-choice.

That's largely an effort to get away from the logical extension of the title "pro-choice," which would be that those with an opposing viewpoint are anti-choice. Both pro-life and pro-choice were so named for the implications they had for anyone that opposed them (anti-life and anti-choice), since people prefer underhanded emotional appeals to well-reasoned arguments.
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The better solution isn't banning abortion of Down Syndrome babies, but to help parents raise such children. Help change society so that people with Down Syndrome aren't seen as burdens, so that parents wouldn't want to abort for that reason. Banning abortion doesn't fix the root of that problem.
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the majority said yes
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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think women should be allowed to have an abortion if their unborn child has down syndrome?

Yes. It's probably better for the soon to be child too.
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Golden Road posted...

The better solution isn't banning abortion of Down Syndrome babies, but to help parents raise such children. Help change society so that people with Down Syndrome aren't seen as burdens, so that parents wouldn't want to abort for that reason. Banning abortion doesn't fix the root of that problem.

You've got to remember that most pro-lifers don't actually give a crap about the life that baby has once it's born. "Pro-birth" would be a more apt title.
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Yellow posted...

It just screws over teen girls even more.

No it doesn't, teen girls should be getting an abortion without a check on its health status.
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Their needs to be a defined time that life begins that is officially recognized by the federal government

This nonsense is gonna go around and around in circles until that happens
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Metal_Mario99 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

LtCommanderData posted...

Just what we need, a bunch of down syndrome babies in the foster care system that Republicans will do everything in their power to avoid paying for.

Seriously. I read a bunch of articles about how Down Syndrome is essentially eradicated in Iceland because pretty much every woman that gets tested with a Down Syndrome positive result gets an abortion.

Yeah, Hitler had a good method for eradicating Jews too.

You continually remind me why I tagged you as, Bigot.
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Yellow posted...

I see "Choose life" signs everywhere. Pretty damn misleading, choosing life would be pro-choice.

..what?
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"Pro-choice" is a misnomer. You'd think by looking at it that it means you have the ability to make your own choice, but it means only that you're making one choice that's in line with typical Conservative thought.
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I'm in support of willy-nilly abortion, so ... ya
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Entity13 posted...

"Pro-choice" is a misnomer. You'd think by looking at it that it means you have the ability to make your own choice, but it means only that you're making one choice that's in line with typical Conservative thought.

Uhh... Let me rephrase this now that I'm fully awake and not suffering from a massive headache.

"Pro-choice" and "Pro-life" are both poor terms. The latter is the misnomer I explained in my original post, whereas the former is believed by Conservatives to mean "Totally getting an abortion when I have the chance," not to mention that the Supreme Court case everyone likes to point toward mainly actually said that abortions should be an option to those whose health is at risk.

What you need to look at, and I forget the name of THIS case, is the one that defined Health as also involving social and spiritual well-being in addition to physical, mental, and emotional health.
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Sounds unconstitutional to me.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Sounds unconstitutional to me.

If so, or not, then this would be a matter of 9th vs 10th Amendments, I believe.
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Entity13 posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

Sounds unconstitutional to me.

If so, or not, then this would be a matter of 9th vs 10th Amendments, I believe.

Courts have already ruled that abortion is a constitutional right.

baby mist be born
fight mother and child for assistance
take away tax break for medical expenses
makes insurance impossible to get cause its pre existing or super expensive

Sounds like the party of the people
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Entity13 posted...

Entity13 posted...

"Pro-choice" is a misnomer. You'd think by looking at it that it means you have the ability to make your own choice, but it means only that you're making one choice that's in line with typical Conservative thought.

Uhh... Let me rephrase this now that I'm fully awake and not suffering from a massive headache.

"Pro-choice" and "Pro-life" are both poor terms. The latter is the misnomer I explained in my original post, whereas the former is believed by Conservatives to mean "Totally getting an abortion when I have the chance," not to mention that the Supreme Court case everyone likes to point toward mainly actually said that abortions should be an option to those whose health is at risk.

What you need to look at, and I forget the name of THIS case, is the one that defined Health as also involving social and spiritual well-being in addition to physical, mental, and emotional health.

"Pro-Choice" and "Pro-Life" are just terms used by their respective followers to make their philosophy sound morally superior.

Pro-Life: We support life, unlike those "baby killers"...

Pro-Choice: A woman's body is HERS to choose what to do with. No one else's!

In reality, it's more accurate just to call it Pro-Abortion and Anti-Abortion. The only thing up for debate is at what point you consider an unborn child to be human and deserving of human rights.