Board 8 > *high fives ~25% of gamefaqs*

(+) Yeah! (+)

lmao disney star wars
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I noticed the last option is a lot higher compared to this poll:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6183-

I think the problem with today's poll is the fourth option where it's worded in a way that would exclude people who plan to watch it later on DVD or on a computer (without streaming the movie itself). The fourth option in The Force Awakens poll is much more fairly worded and doesn't exclude those people. In today's poll, the people who want to watch the movie later (not in theaters or by streaming it online) don't have an option to vote for and that could be affecting the results of the last option.
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Great comparison, thanks Luster.

There is no problem with the poll. 1/3 of immediate viewers (among this site's populace) have been lost due to disney's inadequate handling of the series. And people who've given up on the series have almost doubled. That's what happens when you inject the poison of cultural marxism into things people once loved.
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i wondered why you dislike a movie you haven't seen. of course it was going to be nonsense like "cultural marxism" or "globalism."
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We are analysing the poll's results, it's not about "like" or "dislike," nor is that important.
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Vlado posted...

There is no problem with the poll. 1/3 of immediate viewers (among this site's populace) have been lost due to disney's inadequate handling of the series. And people who've given up on the series have almost doubled. That's what happens when you inject the poison of cultural marxism into things people once loved.

The 2 polls are only separated by a period of 2 years, and it is very hard to imagine that we could have such a large change in results in just 2 years. Also, it's bit too early to draw any conclusions here since many people haven't gotten around to watching the movie in theaters yet. The first 2 options should continue increasing in percentage over the course of the day as people get around to watching it at a theater, and this increase will come at the expense of the last option.

The poll for The Force Awakens happened during the immediate aftermath of the Undertale contest, where we were probably still getting elevated vote totals due to people continuing to visit GameFAQs to check up on the final result of the contest. So that poll could possibly be tainted slightly as a result of the spillover from the Undertale rallying.
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Luster v Vlado on polling let's do it
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Vlado posted...

We are analysing the poll's results, it's not about "like" or "dislike," nor is that important.

Vlado posted...

That's what happens when you inject the poison of cultural marxism into things people once loved.

ok
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LusterSoldier posted...

Vlado posted...

There is no problem with the poll. 1/3 of immediate viewers (among this site's populace) have been lost due to disney's inadequate handling of the series. And people who've given up on the series have almost doubled. That's what happens when you inject the poison of cultural marxism into things people once loved.

The 2 polls are only separated by a period of 2 years, and it is very hard to imagine that we could have such a large change in results in just 2 years. Also, it's bit too early to draw any conclusions here since many people haven't gotten around to watching the movie in theaters yet. The first 2 options should continue increasing in percentage over the course of the day as people get around to watching it at a theater, and this increase will come at the expense of the last option.

The poll for The Force Awakens happened during the immediate aftermath of the Undertale contest, where we were probably still getting elevated vote totals due to people continuing to visit GameFAQs to check up on the final result of the contest. So that poll could possibly be tainted slightly as a result of the spillover from the Undertale rallying.

True, true. Let's discuss again when the poll ends.
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Vlado posted...

We are analysing the poll's results, it's not about "like" or "dislike," nor is that important.

Yes it is... Especially for you...
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I'm sure you know better than me what's important to me... *rolls eyes*
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So do certain people still think this is just a coincidence and that Vlado really believes everything he says and that we should therefore continue to argue back and forth with him?

Will there come a point where people recognise Vlado as deliberately creating anti-B8 opinions for himself to "have" in order to antagonise the board, and therefore trying to actually logically reason with him is utterly futile - because he has very little stake or belief in what he's saying (it's possible he vaguely believes some of the stuff, but certainly not to the zealous extent he displays) and, as a result, can shift positions or ignore points or display blatant hypocrisy however he sees fit?

(I recognise that a good deal of people who continue to enable Vlado are just trying to provoke him into another JRPG-style bout of insanity, hence the "certain people" in the first line - I disagree with doing that but I get it, at least. It's the people who are still trying to seriously debate him that I don't get and that I'm addressing here)
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i'm just arguing with vlado to waste time and because sometimes i'm curious to see what nonsense he's going to come up with. not really expecting anything out of it.
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Vlado posted...

Great comparison, thanks Luster.

There is no problem with the poll. 1/3 of immediate viewers (among this site's populace) have been lost due to disney's inadequate handling of the series. And people who've given up on the series have almost doubled. That's what happens when you inject the poison of cultural marxism into things people once loved.

I have only seen episode 7. What is the cultural Marxism in it? I'm not an alt right crazy lunatic, so stuff like that would go over my head, but I will admit I found the movie underwhelming and it just didn't have the soul of the original trilogy.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i'm just arguing with vlado to waste time and because sometimes i'm curious to see what nonsense he's going to come up with. not really expecting anything out of it.

I don't believe a single word of that post. You're arguing because you literally cannot stop yourself from arguing with any and everyone that you disagree with on any subject, regardless of if they are literally mentally ill, an obvious troll, too stubborn for it to ever be worth it, or some combination of the three.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I don't believe a single word of that post.

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I'm sorry, but what eventually amounts to "I know he's trolling, I'm just bored" is the lamest and oldest and shittiest justification.
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Sometimes you just enjoy shooting fish in a barrel.
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XIII_rocks posted...

I'm sorry, but what eventually amounts to "I know he's trolling, I'm just bored" is the lamest and oldest and shittiest justification.

Justification implies that it needs to be justified though, like it would be inherently wrong without justification. In this case, just arguing with someone who is talking bullshit is not inherently wrong. It's just a choice. Some don't want to. Some do. No justification is necessary.
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But I do believe that legitimately responding to and thus enabling Vlado is inherently wrong
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XIII, in his own topics, its fun talking him into human centipede circles.

As long as hes not polluting real topics whats the harm?
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XIII_rocks posted...

But I do believe that legitimately responding to and thus enabling Vlado is inherently wrong

Interesting. Why?
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Vlado is a rot, and engaging with him is in fact inherently wrong. Gotta agree with XIII here, he is not a legitimate person with legitimate views, he is an engineered waste of time.
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LapisLazuli posted...

he is an engineered waste of time.

Impossible. Engineering was invented in Egypt, not Bulgaria. That would be globalism
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We all know he's a secret globalist, this is just another connector pin.
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Jakyl25 posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

But I do believe that legitimately responding to and thus enabling Vlado is inherently wrong

Interesting. Why?

There's a few reasons. First, it's perpetuating a toxic falsehood, and I find that people being honest is generally preferable to lies. We're all in our 20s-40s now - we don't really need gimmicks or eating copies of FFX or whatever to keep us entertained. In that regard, Vlado, one of the few gimmick accounts left on b8, is terribly outdated, something that as a board we should have grown out of and moved on from. Second reason would be that when you enable Vlado you allow him to continue what is essentially "false discussion". It means users who are otherwise not stupid people could be having a more interesting discussion elsewhere with someone who actually believes what they are saying, and will not pull all the shit Vlado pulls when you try and debate him. That leads to an objectively better board to read since actual discussion is better than this sort of false discussion.

That's all very high-minded stuff though. The other half of it is reason 3, that I don't see the entertainment in poking him with a stick to get him to say stupid things. And then there's reason 4 - to be honest, I believe that the people who claim that they're still entertained after years of provoking him into saying stupid shit are lying, either to me or to themselves. If you know he's mostly a manufactured gimmick, you're essentially just pressing the belly of a toy to make it say stuff. How is that still entertaining after all this time? I don't believe people here still get kicks out of that, if they ever did at all. Which leads me to the possible conclusion - that people think Vlado really believes all the stuff he posts, and once people really buy into the idea that he doesn't, they might stop enabling him. That's why I made my first post here.

I guess there are three options regarding that:
1) People know Vlado isn't real, but are entertained by making this pretend person say silly things, and have been for ages. I think this is kind of dumb, and I honestly think a lot of the people who claim this are not being truthful, but some are.
2) People on some level believe Vlado really thinks this stuff, and legitimately are arguing against it, even if some of the shit he posts is absolutely stupid - again, hence my first post here.
3) People know Vlado isn't real, but just can't help themselves if they see someone post something they disagree with and just have to argue against it because they have no self-control. They then use option 1 as a justification for doing something they know isn't smart.

I prefer option 2 I guess, but option 3 is probably the case for a lot of people.
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i totally disagree that vlado is trolling. don't get me wrong, i used to think that too, but if you take a look at the youtube channels from people like stefan molyneux, lauren southern and styxhexenhammer666 you'll see people spout the exact same "GLOBALISM IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" bullshit that vlado does. the stuff he says isn't as uncommon as you might think, as terrifying as that is.

now, it's pretty obvious that vlado doesn't think for himself and just echoes what those youtubers and other alt right edgelords are saying. the other day he literally posted a molyneux meme so yeah, it's obvious where he's lifting the stuff he posts here from. but uh, that doesn't mean he doesn't believe all that alt right shit and is "just trolling."
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There is a certain way to respond to Vlado. Like you can play with a cat and even talk to it, but that obviously doesn't mean it's human or you expect a human response. Another analogy is spray painting a wall. You're not arguing with the wall, you're just displaying a message for those walking by.
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Ar the end of the day I don't think it really matters either way. Trolling, not trolling, either situation calls for the response of "completely ignore". His belief of his claims is a non facfor.
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Jakyl makes a good point. I don't really even see vlado outside of his own topics, and the best way to make him abandon them and peace out is to derail him and enable him to back himself into corners. If you just ignore him, he'll just keep bumping them and adding new stupid buzz-stories to bait people until he finally fucks up and a new link/discussion gets derailed.

The reasons I like to engage him are mostly about the fact that I enjoy getting him to 1-up himself with his looking like a fool. No matter how much he embarrasses himself, there is always something to be said or done that will provoke him into embarrassing himself more. I want to see just what it will take to get him to self-embarrassment critical mass.
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XIII, even if Vlado doesnt seriously believe this stuff (he does IMO), there are tons of people out there who honestly do

Yes, he posts his disgusting beliefs to get reactions, and we give him reactions. I get why you think thats not healthy. But its therapeutic to me at least to have the punching bag, to have a barrel full of fish to shoot.
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honestly after the initial period of disappointment, knowing that people on board 8 would literally never grow up, I've grown a bit of an appreciation for these topics. they serve a similar function to the politics containment topic in that... I really hate to imagine what the people who largely post in vlado topics would be doing if vlado wasn't around to jack them off. probably ruining the rest of the board.
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MariaTaylor posted...

probably ruining the rest of the board.

can vouch

i am an awful person and you don't want me running around making other topics.
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They would probably be posting about anime girls and shit
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does video game girls count as anime if they're from a japanese game?
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XIII_rocks posted...

So do certain people still think this is just a coincidence and that Vlado really believes everything he says and that we should therefore continue to argue back and forth with him?

Will there come a point where people recognise Vlado as deliberately creating anti-B8 opinions for himself to "have" in order to antagonise the board, and therefore trying to actually logically reason with him is utterly futile - because he has very little stake or belief in what he's saying (it's possible he vaguely believes some of the stuff, but certainly not to the zealous extent he displays) and, as a result, can shift positions or ignore points or display blatant hypocrisy however he sees fit?

(I recognise that a good deal of people who continue to enable Vlado are just trying to provoke him into another JRPG-style bout of insanity, hence the "certain people" in the first line - I disagree with doing that but I get it, at least. It's the people who are still trying to seriously debate him that I don't get and that I'm addressing here)

I think its somehwhat legit but I also wouldnt be surprised if this was all just Smurf
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XIII_rocks posted...

wall of text

Imagine being this obsessed with some guy on the internet.

lol, now I noticed there are two walls, even. Not weird at all, no sir...

Let's not make everything about me, but rather talk about the issue at hand, i.e. the growing disappointment in this once beloved series. It is but a symptom of the times, of this period of Western cultural decline, caused almost exclusively by insiders for whom the destruction of Western civilisation is more important than trying to create something of value - or even profits.
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star wars is the most beloved it's been since the 80s, what in the world are you talking about
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Okay that was such word salad that I got nothin
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Vlado posted...

True, true. Let's discuss again when the poll ends.

So the poll has ended. For reference, here are the poll updates for all 24 hours of both polls:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15dHaOBE0KtnCUBKK7-AoqOo5IrbpYv-jLLN7EUzP9LU/pub

In an effort to cut back on the column widths, I had to shorten the options down a bit (a downside of the long wording Allen uses when writing up poll options).

The 2 polls share similar trends, with both polls happening on the release day of their respective movies. The first 2 options all start out poorly as those who have seen it are mostly limited to midnight release viewers. Most of the increase for the first 2 options happens after 12:00 PM, or the final 12 hours of the poll. The third option was the least affected in terms of percentage change over the course of the poll. The fourth and fifth options both lost percentage over the course of the poll as the first 2 options gained percentage.

The fourth option is the most controversial one, since Allen changed the wording in The Last Jedi poll. I preferred the wording "No, but I'll probably watch it on TV or my computer eventually" from The Force Awakens poll, which was much more fair and very unlikely to cause voters to go with the fifth option instead. When the wording got changed to "No, I'll wait until it's available for streaming at home", the percentage for the fourth option dropped from 23.49% to 19.90%, suggesting that the voters who planned to wait until a DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital version didn't agree with the wording of the option and went for the fifth option instead. The fourth option lost 3.59% of its percentage from the wording change. Assuming that gets added to the fifth option's percentage in The Force Awakens poll (originally 13.70%), it gets bumped up to 17.29%. This is still less than the 22.17% it actually received in The Last Jedi poll.

The first 2 options combined for a release day viewership of 15.16% for The Force Awakens and only 13.22% for The Last Jedi. This is a step down from the first movie in the newest trilogy. The lower viewership for The Last Jedi could be explained by people simply being more hyped for The Force Awakens as the first movie in a brand new trilogy, so they rushed to the movie theaters in greater numbers on release day. If there was less hype for The Last Jedi, I wouldn't expect an urgent need for people to go watch it on release day, thus the lower viewership.

As for the 22.17% for the fifth option in The Last Jedi poll, it is also worth noting that the third option lost 2.94% of its percentage compared to the previous poll, which is expected to go towards the fifth option instead. Combine that with the 1.94% loss in its release day viewership, plus the 3.59% loss in the fourth option's percentage and add them to the 13.70% that the fifth option had in the previous poll, and you end up with 22.17%. I still think the fourth option was poorly worded, since it's not likely that we'll see The Last Jedi available for streaming on Netflix since Disney has been trying to sever ties with Netflix. Maybe it'll appear on their own streaming service (like they might plan to do), but appearing on Netflix seems unlikely. Allen's poor poll writing strikes again.
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Jakyl25 posted...

XIII, even if Vlado doesnt seriously believe this stuff (he does IMO), there are tons of people out there who honestly do

But that's what I'm saying. The anti-globalist stuff is possible, the pro-Trump stuff is possible, the anti-Nintendo stuff is possible, the creation and hatred of the clique is possible, the irrational approach to watching and commenting on football is possible, being anti-Star Wars is possible, but not all together.

I don't doubt that there are some people who think this way re: globalism. I just have absolutely no belief that Vlado really believes it, because him being against almost everything b8 likes over this long a period is too much of a coincidence (he admittedly likes MGS and FF7). You're not looking at the full picture. Globalism is just the latest thing in his anti-b8 repertoire. If it was just this, if it was just the globalism gimmick, I might just think he was some loon who legitimately believed this stuff. But it's not. It's too coincidental to be genuine.
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Vlado joining the #metoo crowd is the most out of character thing I have ever seen on this board and I think I agree with XIII
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XIII_rocks posted...

But it's not. It's too coincidental to be genuine.

It is a very well-trod pathway from GamerGate to Trumpism to ethno-nationalism though, as Vlado has gone down.

Those parts of the Vlado experience make sense together because that flowchart is by design by the alt-right.
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Also oh god Ive never seen Vlado in a sports thread. Do tell how he comments on football.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also oh god Ive never seen Vlado in a sports thread. Do tell how he comments on football.

Just what you'd expect - irrationality and talking in circles
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I have been a nationalist since 2005 or so. This is hardly something that we can attribute to GamerGate. It's that I've found ideologies more in-line with my own ideals. Before Trump, there was no prominent political figure like that in the US. But in Europe, we already had Jean-Marie Le Pen (suceeded by his daughter) and then Farage, for example. In Bulgaria, we've had a nationalist party with constant parliament presence for over a decade.
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LusterSoldier posted...

Vlado posted...

True, true. Let's discuss again when the poll ends.

So the poll has ended. For reference, here are the poll updates for all 24 hours of both polls:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15dHaOBE0KtnCUBKK7-AoqOo5IrbpYv-jLLN7EUzP9LU/pub

In an effort to cut back on the column widths, I had to shorten the options down a bit (a downside of the long wording Allen uses when writing up poll options).

The 2 polls share similar trends, with both polls happening on the release day of their respective movies. The first 2 options all start out poorly as those who have seen it are mostly limited to midnight release viewers. Most of the increase for the first 2 options happens after 12:00 PM, or the final 12 hours of the poll. The third option was the least affected in terms of percentage change over the course of the poll. The fourth and fifth options both lost percentage over the course of the poll as the first 2 options gained percentage.

The fourth option is the most controversial one, since Allen changed the wording in The Last Jedi poll. I preferred the wording "No, but I'll probably watch it on TV or my computer eventually" from The Force Awakens poll, which was much more fair and very unlikely to cause voters to go with the fifth option instead. When the wording got changed to "No, I'll wait until it's available for streaming at home", the percentage for the fourth option dropped from 23.49% to 19.90%, suggesting that the voters who planned to wait until a DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital version didn't agree with the wording of the option and went for the fifth option instead. The fourth option lost 3.59% of its percentage from the wording change. Assuming that gets added to the fifth option's percentage in The Force Awakens poll (originally 13.70%), it gets bumped up to 17.29%. This is still less than the 22.17% it actually received in The Last Jedi poll.

The first 2 options combined for a release day viewership of 15.16% for The Force Awakens and only 13.22% for The Last Jedi. This is a step down from the first movie in the newest trilogy. The lower viewership for The Last Jedi could be explained by people simply being more hyped for The Force Awakens as the first movie in a brand new trilogy, so they rushed to the movie theaters in greater numbers on release day. If there was less hype for The Last Jedi, I wouldn't expect an urgent need for people to go watch it on release day, thus the lower viewership.

As for the 22.17% for the fifth option in The Last Jedi poll, it is also worth noting that the third option lost 2.94% of its percentage compared to the previous poll, which is expected to go towards the fifth option instead. Combine that with the 1.94% loss in its release day viewership, plus the 3.59% loss in the fourth option's percentage and add them to the 13.70% that the fifth option had in the previous poll, and you end up with 22.17%. I still think the fourth option was poorly worded, since it's not likely that we'll see The Last Jedi available for streaming on Netflix since Disney has been trying to sever ties with Netflix. Maybe it'll appear on their own streaming service (like they might plan to do), but appearing on Netflix seems unlikely. Allen's poor poll writing strikes again.

Thanks for the spreadsheet, very interesting.

Only 15% reduction of immediate viewers, but dissatisfied people almost double. 22% vs. 13% on "I doubt I ever will" speaks clearly enough. People disgusted with disney's nonsense increase by the minute. I don't think the wording had much of an impact, to be honest. It's quite clear what the last option means, you wouldn't choose it if you DID plan to see it via another means. Fourth is much closer to that than fifth.
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XIII_rocks posted...

The anti-globalist stuff is possible, the pro-Trump stuff is possible, the anti-Nintendo stuff is possible, the creation and hatred of the clique is possible, the irrational approach to watching and commenting on football is possible, being anti-Star Wars is possible, but not all together.

as someone who also frequently dislikes things b8 likes or vice versa, i would disagree with this.
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>disappointed that disney ruined Star Wars
>anti-Star Wars

Pick one. I mean, Star Wars was never that good, but disney have run it into the ground.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

XIII_rocks posted...

The anti-globalist stuff is possible, the pro-Trump stuff is possible, the anti-Nintendo stuff is possible, the creation and hatred of the clique is possible, the irrational approach to watching and commenting on football is possible, being anti-Star Wars is possible, but not all together.

as someone who also frequently dislikes things b8 likes or vice versa, i would disagree with this.

Of course you would
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