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TheCyborgNinja
11/29/17 9:04:56 PM
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Whoa.

http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/358057-ea-loses-3-billion-stock-value-battlefront-2-debacle
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TheWorstPoster
11/29/17 9:06:33 PM
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Hopefully they go nearly bankrupt, where I would be able to buy it for one dollar.
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VeeVees
11/29/17 9:07:05 PM
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good
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Mead
11/29/17 9:10:08 PM
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Maybe this will motivate Disney to partner with some half decent developers with any new Star Wars games. Id even take Ubisoft over EA as a publisher.
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Kyuubi4269
11/29/17 9:17:22 PM
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Hopefully they lose $4B more.
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_AdjI_
11/29/17 9:20:21 PM
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Mead posted...
Maybe this will motivate Disney to partner with some half decent developers with any new Star Wars games. Id even take Ubisoft over EA as a publisher.


They're contracted until 2020, and aside from this debacle, EA has definitely been making them money with the Star Wars brand. It may depend on how well they recover from this, but I doubt this alone is going to be enough to keep them from being able to renew the contract.
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joemodda
11/29/17 9:22:42 PM
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Clearly they needed to add more microtransactions to compensate for their expected loss through the backlash. They're a company after all, they just want to make money!!
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ParanoidObsessive
11/29/17 9:29:14 PM
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They'll recover, and in the long run this won't effect them much at all.

They've absorbed similar hits in the past, and it never lasts long. Especially once the spin doctoring kicks in (and it already has).


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TheCyborgNinja
11/29/17 9:39:34 PM
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joemodda posted...
Clearly they needed to add more microtransactions to compensate for their expected loss through the backlash. They're a company after all, they just want to make money!!

You jest, but that seems to be their mindset.

Well, and the fact DICE is now saying they did pay-to-win to avoid breaking SW canon (lol @ Vader and Solo playable in Episode I... nice try) theyve lost any hope of people believing anything they say ever again.

This is just embarrassing now.
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TheCyborgNinja
11/29/17 9:41:31 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
They'll recover, and in the long run this won't effect them much at all.

They've absorbed similar hits in the past, and it never lasts long. Especially once the spin doctoring kicks in (and it already has).


This wont break EA, but even the Sim City debacle never reached these heights. Theyre literally taking on the world at this point, and if things havent recovered by 2018, I bet well see some resignations.
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_AdjI_
11/29/17 10:15:20 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
joemodda posted...
Clearly they needed to add more microtransactions to compensate for their expected loss through the backlash. They're a company after all, they just want to make money!!

You jest, but that seems to be their mindset.

Well, and the fact DICE is now saying they did pay-to-win to avoid breaking SW canon (lol @ Vader and Solo playable in Episode I... nice try) theyve lost any hope of people believing anything they say ever again.

This is just embarrassing now.


Bonus points because Battlefront 2015 did have an abundance of cosmetic unlocks, so it's not like there's no precedent for it in the series (and it was done without grievously violating the canon, no less, as much as that means anything in a fanservice crossover game).
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Yopster
11/29/17 10:25:37 PM
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It's still on a downward trend I'd consider buying some when it bottoms out but it's probably going to bottom out at $100 a share. Expensive.
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TheCyborgNinja
11/29/17 10:27:16 PM
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_AdjI_ posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
joemodda posted...
Clearly they needed to add more microtransactions to compensate for their expected loss through the backlash. They're a company after all, they just want to make money!!

You jest, but that seems to be their mindset.

Well, and the fact DICE is now saying they did pay-to-win to avoid breaking SW canon (lol @ Vader and Solo playable in Episode I... nice try) theyve lost any hope of people believing anything they say ever again.

This is just embarrassing now.


Bonus points because Battlefront 2015 did have an abundance of cosmetic unlocks, so it's not like there's no precedent for it in the series (and it was done without grievously violating the canon, no less, as much as that means anything in a fanservice crossover game).

You know the dick that came up with this method to spin things thought checkmate!... Im waiting for them to exhaust all conceivable options and start referencing Hitler or something... Thats about where this arguments quality is.
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Ferarri619
11/29/17 10:37:55 PM
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Amazon took like 2 weeks after release date to FINALLY get PS4 version of The Sims 4 in stock. I wonder if this had something to do with it.
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Mead
11/29/17 10:41:14 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
They'll recover, and in the long run this won't effect them much at all.

They've absorbed similar hits in the past, and it never lasts long. Especially once the spin doctoring kicks in (and it already has).


Im not so sure. YouTube has a plethora of watchdogs calling out every bad move and social media is getting the word out about what is really going on behind the PR messages.

A few years ago would any news outlet care at all that EA was being downvoted on reddit or that Jim Sterling was routinely lambasting their new game?
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funkyfritter
11/29/17 11:12:49 PM
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To put things in perspective, the stock is still significantly higher than it ever was in 2016. It's a blow, but loot boxes have still been a net positive for their bottom line.
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TheCyborgNinja
11/30/17 12:56:32 AM
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funkyfritter posted...
To put things in perspective, the stock is still significantly higher than it ever was in 2016. It's a blow, but loot boxes have still been a net positive for their bottom line.

Yeah, it sounds more alarming than it is, but the shareholders arent going to be happy regardless, nor is Disney. As somebody pointed out in a video I saw, the industry needs to self-regulate loot boxes now. This issue is going to result in eventual government interferrnce otherwise. That sounds good, but would amount to wishing on a cursed monkeys paw.

The whole getting kids to gamble thing wont blow over. Itll keep coming up every time a major release does this. Gamers hate it because it ruins the experience, legislators see it as exploitative, and religious groups think its evil. Theres no way itll continue like this now.

Evolves failure was less high-profile and basically killed what was looking like a popular new genre beforehand. Thats a bit of a tangent, but ties back into the financial part of the decision making process. Bad PR heavily damaged sales. If EA stays the course and keeps losing money, it wont take long for them to abandon this strategy for its non-sports titles.
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Yellow
11/30/17 1:06:34 AM
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This is actually almost total bullshit clickbait.

The hit isn't even that bad when you look at their value for the last year.

But then again, the admin of that site does like to perv out random girls on the internet. I wouldn't expect integrity.
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Yellow
11/30/17 1:08:01 AM
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If you think EA is going anywhere, just remember what the mainstream did to mobile phone games.

Mainstream dgaf.
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TheCyborgNinja
11/30/17 1:24:42 AM
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Yellow,

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ernieforss
11/30/17 11:01:00 AM
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i'm so glad need for speed was a hit and didn't help them lose that $3 billion drop in stock
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InfestedAdam
11/30/17 11:26:37 AM
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the temporary removal of lootboxes/comestic/something and loss of revenue from that is why the stock took a hit and not necessary because fans are upset. At the end of the day, would stockholders even care about what the fans think so long as said game is making money?
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EvilMegas
11/30/17 11:39:56 AM
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For EA yes. But this removal is specifically because of the fans being butthurt.
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PKMNsony
11/30/17 11:47:55 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
For EA yes. But this removal is specifically because of the fans being butthurt.

That, and overall sales of the game itself is lower than expected.

Even though this didn't hurt EA too much, at least it showed them they can't just push gamers around as much as they thought they could.
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wwinterj25
11/30/17 11:52:41 AM
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Doubt they have learned a thing though.
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BlazeAndBlade
11/30/17 12:03:32 PM
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the sims 4 is also bad 35 for each expansion

sims 2 stuff where 20 or less

(and yes they've added separate expansions to the console version as well something like 30+ pounds each)

it's almost like there testing to see how far people will pay before getting mad.
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EvilMegas
11/30/17 12:06:21 PM
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BlazeAndBlade posted...
the sims 4 is also bad 35 for each expansion

sims 2 stuff where 20 or less

(and yes they've added separate expansions to the console version as well something like 30+ pounds each)

it's almost like there testing to see how far people will pay before getting mad.

Yeah, its a common business model. You find the threshold and go one notch under it
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wwinterj25
11/30/17 12:14:42 PM
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BlazeAndBlade posted...
the sims 4 is also bad 35 for each expansion

sims 2 stuff where 20 or less


Yeah this irks me but expansions have been going up in price. On the plus side on the PS4 you can get a bundle that includes a expansion, game and stuff pack for 40. That's not that bad I guess.
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VeeVees
11/30/17 12:51:27 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
Doubt they have learned a thing though.


They learn that they have to hide their scams better.
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adjl
11/30/17 12:51:52 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
_AdjI_ posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
joemodda posted...
Clearly they needed to add more microtransactions to compensate for their expected loss through the backlash. They're a company after all, they just want to make money!!

You jest, but that seems to be their mindset.

Well, and the fact DICE is now saying they did pay-to-win to avoid breaking SW canon (lol @ Vader and Solo playable in Episode I... nice try) theyve lost any hope of people believing anything they say ever again.

This is just embarrassing now.


Bonus points because Battlefront 2015 did have an abundance of cosmetic unlocks, so it's not like there's no precedent for it in the series (and it was done without grievously violating the canon, no less, as much as that means anything in a fanservice crossover game).

You know the dick that came up with this method to spin things thought checkmate!... Im waiting for them to exhaust all conceivable options and start referencing Hitler or something... Thats about where this arguments quality is.


For even more bonus points, people have been doing some datamining and found that there are additional skins and costumes lurking in the game, presumably with the intent of releasing them at a later date. It's not only a flimsy, nonsensical excuse, it's a bold-faced lie.

InfestedAdam posted...
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the temporary removal of lootboxes/comestic/something and loss of revenue from that is why the stock took a hit and not necessary because fans are upset. At the end of the day, would stockholders even care about what the fans think so long as said game is making money?


Little of column A, little of column B. The initial stock drop would have been because removing microtransactions hurt the game's earning potential, rather than in direct response to the outrage, but I could see that further loss of value might be due to the fact that the outrage is still ongoing, and EA's damage control efforts aren't doing a particularly good job of restoring the game's image. That could definitely cause more investors to jump ship, since there isn't much reason to have faith that EA will turn this around any time soon.
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Smarkil
11/30/17 12:53:20 PM
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_AdjI_ posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe this will motivate Disney to partner with some half decent developers with any new Star Wars games. Id even take Ubisoft over EA as a publisher.


They're contracted until 2020, and aside from this debacle, EA has definitely been making them money with the Star Wars brand. It may depend on how well they recover from this, but I doubt this alone is going to be enough to keep them from being able to renew the contract.


There's probably something in the contract that allows Disney to back out if EA fucks up this badly.
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adjl
11/30/17 12:56:26 PM
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Smarkil posted...
_AdjI_ posted...
Mead posted...
Maybe this will motivate Disney to partner with some half decent developers with any new Star Wars games. Id even take Ubisoft over EA as a publisher.


They're contracted until 2020, and aside from this debacle, EA has definitely been making them money with the Star Wars brand. It may depend on how well they recover from this, but I doubt this alone is going to be enough to keep them from being able to renew the contract.


There's probably something in the contract that allows Disney to back out if EA fucks up this badly.


I kind of doubt it. If EA were actually causing monetary damages to the brand as a whole, maybe, but screwing up one video game isn't grounds for breaking a contract. This whole situation is going to do nothing to SW movie or merchandise sales, just make people less willing to trust EA with future Star Wars games.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/05/17 1:09:09 AM
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Down and down it goes, where it stops, nobody knows...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn4418Tz0e8

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GanonsSpirit
12/05/17 1:20:01 AM
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There was another drop this morning.
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shadowsword87
12/05/17 1:37:21 AM
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Man, consumer confidence is not a joke, I can't imagine how many people are going to get fired from this. People completely unrelated to the loot box decision too.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/05/17 2:25:40 AM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Man, consumer confidence is not a joke, I can't imagine how many people are going to get fired from this. People completely unrelated to the loot box decision too.

Yeah, they'll just trim some mid-level fat and absorb those recovered salaries to have bigger bonuses and pat themselves on the back some more while trying to make loot boxes happen. I think it's safe to say that come 2020, Disney will not be renewing their arrangement....

I honestly don't think anything short of shareholders demanding the CEO's resignation will lead to any changes. As long as that fuckdick is still in charge, this is the path they're on.
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DeltaBladeX
12/05/17 2:59:22 AM
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VeeVees posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Doubt they have learned a thing though.


They learn that they have to hide their scams better.

No they didn't
http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/358249-ea-ufc-3-multiplayer-built-pay-win-loot-boxes
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7gp149/ea_debuts_ufc_3_beta_a_brandnew_player_can_dump/
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TheCyborgNinja
12/05/17 3:01:38 AM
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^Remember that THQ, Acclaim, and Midway were once juggernauts too. EA is still feeling invincible, but if things stay on the decline their success will hinge on their ability to adapt... which is not good for them.
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EvilMegas
12/05/17 6:18:23 AM
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DeltaBladeX posted...
VeeVees posted...
wwinterj25 posted...
Doubt they have learned a thing though.


They learn that they have to hide their scams better.

No they didn't
http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/358249-ea-ufc-3-multiplayer-built-pay-win-loot-boxes
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7gp149/ea_debuts_ufc_3_beta_a_brandnew_player_can_dump/

My god. EA is amazing, they are songle handledly killing lootboxes for everyone lol
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MoreRpgs
12/05/17 7:46:11 AM
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Well deserved
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TheCyborgNinja
12/05/17 7:53:31 AM
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Does anybody buy their UFC games anyway? It feels like theyre just sent out to die and drop to $20 in just a month or two.
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Lokarin
12/05/17 10:42:59 AM
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Dang, I missed the boat on investing in EA, the uptick already happened... yesterday! it's already rapidly trending upwards
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Gradieus
12/05/17 10:50:53 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Dang, I missed the boat on investing in EA, the uptick already happened... yesterday! it's already rapidly trending upwards


This topic is dumb anyway. It was a tech market selloff into financials due to the tax reform that caused the drop, nothing else.

Look at $TTWO down 13%, $ATVI down 10% $NTDOY down 10%.

If you're looking to invest in tech ignore EA and just go long the usual suspects like $FB or $NVDA.
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Lokarin
12/05/17 11:02:00 AM
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Gradieus posted...
If you're looking to invest in tech ignore EA and just go long the usual suspects like $FB or $NVDA.


It's not that I want to invest in tech, but that I want to invest in crashers for a quick overturn.
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Gradieus
12/05/17 11:07:34 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Gradieus posted...
If you're looking to invest in tech ignore EA and just go long the usual suspects like $FB or $NVDA.


It's not that I want to invest in tech, but that I want to invest in crashers for a quick overturn.


Just buy leaps then on things that are much more likely to go up.

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ernieforss
12/05/17 11:37:56 AM
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it wasn't just all Battlefront 2 fault.

Fifa for switch was a flop. need for speed was a flop. UFC has controversy right now.... which probably will flop. Mass Effect Flopped (even though it sold pretty well, but it didn't hit projected sales.) All there game contributed to the fall of thier stock.

they haven't made one good game this year. Putting it all on Battlefront is kind of harsh. If need for speed was the killer game that everyone bought, we would be having a different conversation and not blame everything on Battlefront fault.
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