Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 147: Banned From The Mall

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Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:40:03 PM #151:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... FFDragon posted... if marriage didn't confer extra benefits from the government, I'd agree with that lol but it does It's a right to receive extra governmental benefits? Rights are literally created by governments Natural rights arent real Ok so your argument is contrary to our nation's founding documents and principles. Gay marriage proponents in a nutshell. Yes Believe it or not, equal rights are more important than the existence of America Marriage =/= a right Marriage is merely a formal recognition of a union between entities. Everyone has a right to be together, but there is no right to force a state or governing body to recognize their union. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399264] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>if marriage didn't confer extra benefits from the government, I'd agree with that lol but it does</quote> It's a right to receive extra governmental benefits?</quote> Rights are literally created by governments Natural rights arent real</quote> Ok so your argument is contrary to our nation's founding documents and principles. Gay marriage proponents in a nutshell.</quote> Yes Believe it or not, equal rights are more important than the existence of America</quote> Marriage =/= a right Marriage is merely a formal recognition of a union between entities. Everyone has a right to be together, but there is no right to force a state or governing body to recognize their union.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:40:35 PM #152:	SSJBGenkiDama posted... Jakyl25 posted... SSJBGenkiDama posted... Cause one is naturally leading to the continuing of the human race... You need a health class dude. You dont impregnate a woman by putting a ring on her finger Marriage isn't official till consummation.... So someone with severe erectile dysfunction pre-Viagra cant ever be married? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399296] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote> Cause one is naturally leading to the continuing of the human race... </quote> You need a health class dude. You dont impregnate a woman by putting a ring on her finger</quote> Marriage isn't official till consummation....</quote> So someone with severe erectile dysfunction pre-Viagra cant ever be married?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:40:59 PM #153:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away. Can you explain where natural rights come from without religion? Nature, dummy. Do you think Thomas Jefferson was religious? --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399319] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away.</quote> Can you explain where natural rights come from without religion?</quote> Nature, dummy. Do you think Thomas Jefferson was religious?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/14/17 7:41:16 PM #154:	Jakyl25 posted... SSJBGenkiDama posted... family (maybe family) Guess what two people become when they get married Not bigger than America. <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:890399337] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote>family (maybe family)</quote> Guess what two people become when they get married</quote> Not bigger than America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 11/14/17 7:41:54 PM #155:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away. This is literally just a meaningless semantic argument. Whether you think rights are some magic thing that exist out there in the ether or are a concept that should be applied but isn't always amounts to the exact same thing - you think the government should follow those principles, but you recognize it's possible for a government to ignore or subvert them --- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:890399380] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away.</quote> This is literally just a meaningless semantic argument. Whether you think rights are some magic thing that exist out there in the ether or are a concept that should be applied but isn't always amounts to the exact same thing - you think the government should follow those principles, but you recognize it's possible for a government to ignore or subvert them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:42:19 PM #156:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... FFDragon posted... if marriage didn't confer extra benefits from the government, I'd agree with that lol but it does It's a right to receive extra governmental benefits? Rights are literally created by governments Natural rights arent real Ok so your argument is contrary to our nation's founding documents and principles. Gay marriage proponents in a nutshell. Yes Believe it or not, equal rights are more important than the existence of America Marriage =/= a right Marriage is merely a formal recognition of a union between entities. Everyone has a right to be together, but there is no right to force a state or governing body to recognize their union. Once a government has started doing it for SOME unions though, then it becomes a right No matter what they like to claim, governments are the agencies that decide what rights we have. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399406] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>if marriage didn't confer extra benefits from the government, I'd agree with that lol but it does</quote> It's a right to receive extra governmental benefits?</quote> Rights are literally created by governments Natural rights arent real</quote> Ok so your argument is contrary to our nation's founding documents and principles. Gay marriage proponents in a nutshell.</quote> Yes Believe it or not, equal rights are more important than the existence of America</quote> Marriage =/= a right Marriage is merely a formal recognition of a union between entities. Everyone has a right to be together, but there is no right to force a state or governing body to recognize their union.</quote> Once a government has started doing it for SOME unions though, then it becomes a right No matter what they like to claim, governments are the agencies that decide what rights we have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:43:07 PM #157:	Panthera posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away. This is literally just a meaningless semantic argument. Whether you think rights are some magic thing that exist out there in the ether or are a concept that should be applied but isn't always amounts to the exact same thing - you think the government should follow those principles, but you recognize it's possible for a government to ignore or subvert them The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399443] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away.</quote> This is literally just a meaningless semantic argument. Whether you think rights are some magic thing that exist out there in the ether or are a concept that should be applied but isn't always amounts to the exact same thing - you think the government should follow those principles, but you recognize it's possible for a government to ignore or subvert them</quote> The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:43:27 PM #158:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away. Can you explain where natural rights come from without religion? Nature, dummy. Do you think Thomas Jefferson was religious? Nature being a creature with agency? That sounds spiritual to me. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399466] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away.</quote> Can you explain where natural rights come from without religion?</quote> Nature, dummy. Do you think Thomas Jefferson was religious?</quote> Nature being a creature with agency? That sounds spiritual to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:45:22 PM #159:	Jakyl25 posted... Once a government has started doing it for SOME unions though, then it becomes a right No matter what they like to claim, governments are the agencies that decide what rights we have. 1. If the government is selective, then it is by definition not considered a universal right 2. I'm arguing that said agency should be determined by the legislative processes in our government (like Australia is doing), not subverted through a radicalized judiciary --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399583] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Once a government has started doing it for SOME unions though, then it becomes a right No matter what they like to claim, governments are the agencies that decide what rights we have.</quote> 1. If the government is selective, then it is by definition not considered a universal right 2. I'm arguing that said agency should be determined by the legislative processes in our government (like Australia is doing), not subverted through a radicalized judiciary</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:45:30 PM #160:	Nelson_Mandela posted... The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399590] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right </quote> The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:45:58 PM #161:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away. Can you explain where natural rights come from without religion? Nature, dummy. Do you think Thomas Jefferson was religious? Nature being a creature with agency? That sounds spiritual to me. Well now we're getting philosophical --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399620] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Can we just pause and reflect on what a blaspheme jakyl is being right now. "natural rights aren't real" This is the ANTITHESES of the single founding American ideal. We do have natural, inalienable rights and the purpose of government is to secure them, not grant them. To grant a natural right means that government is God. We have a duty to destroy any government that believes it can give or take those rights away.</quote> Can you explain where natural rights come from without religion?</quote> Nature, dummy. Do you think Thomas Jefferson was religious?</quote> Nature being a creature with agency? That sounds spiritual to me.</quote> Well now we're getting philosophical</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/14/17 7:46:14 PM #162:	how does a right come from nature what --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:890399625] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>how does a right come from nature what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:46:30 PM #163:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry. The judicial branch has and I'm saying that's bad --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399641] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right </quote> The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry.</quote> The judicial branch has and I'm saying that's bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:47:01 PM #164:	Nelson_Mandela posted... 1. If the government is selective, then it is by definition not considered a universal right Correct. But the point is not to ask for universal rights, but to ask for equal rights. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399674] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> 1. If the government is selective, then it is by definition not considered a universal right</quote> Correct. But the point is not to ask for universal rights, but to ask for equal rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:47:14 PM #165:	GuessMyUserName posted... how does a right come from nature what You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399685] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>how does a right come from nature what</quote> You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 7:47:21 PM #166:	GuessMyUserName posted... how does a right come from nature what i believe this was covered in esteemed historical documentary metal gear rising: revengeance RULES OF NATURE --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890399695] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>how does a right come from nature what</quote> i believe this was covered in esteemed historical documentary metal gear rising: revengeance RULES OF NATURE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/14/17 7:48:38 PM #167:	jefferson is from the 1700s, there was a lot we know now that we didn't then --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:890399766] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>jefferson is from the 1700s, there was a lot we know now that we didn't then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 11/14/17 7:48:39 PM #168:	Nelson_Mandela posted... GuessMyUserName posted... how does a right come from nature what You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him. That's even dumber than an appeal to authority --- Thus is our treaty written, thus is our agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given; the price is paid. ARF <cite>NFUN posted [p:890399767] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>how does a right come from nature what</quote> You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him.</quote> That's even dumber than an appeal to authority</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:48:45 PM #169:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Well now we're getting philosophical If you dont fundamentally understand why you believe what you believe, youre doing it wrong. Because Thomas Jefferson said so isnt good enough for me --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399770] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Well now we're getting philosophical</quote> If you dont fundamentally understand why you believe what you believe, youre doing it wrong. Because Thomas Jefferson said so isnt good enough for me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:49:48 PM #170:	Nelson_Mandela posted... GuessMyUserName posted... how does a right come from nature what You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him. I bet every single one of us knows more about the nature of reality than even the brightest mind of that age --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890399833] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>how does a right come from nature what</quote> You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him.</quote> I bet every single one of us knows more about the nature of reality than even the brightest mind of that age</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seginustemple 11/14/17 7:50:27 PM #171:	The natural rights as Locke saw them were god-given, I'd love to know Jefferson's take on their origin <cite>Seginustemple posted [p:890399880] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>The natural rights as Locke saw them were god-given, I'd love to know Jefferson's take on their origin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 11/14/17 7:51:28 PM #172:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Well now we're getting philosophical If you dont fundamentally understand why you believe what you believe, youre doing it wrong. Because Thomas Jefferson said so isnt good enough for me It's impossible to win a philosophical debate. Why would I rehash an argument that's been raging for millennia? I side with Jefferson, whose vision created the nation that has done more good for the world than any entity in the history of civilization. I'll take that company over the Marx/Hitler/Stalin/Jakyl perspective. --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:890399927] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Well now we're getting philosophical</quote> If you dont fundamentally understand why you believe what you believe, youre doing it wrong. Because Thomas Jefferson said so isnt good enough for me</quote> It's impossible to win a philosophical debate. Why would I rehash an argument that's been raging for millennia? I side with Jefferson, whose vision created the nation that has done more good for the world than any entity in the history of civilization. I'll take that company over the Marx/Hitler/Stalin/Jakyl perspective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 7:53:19 PM #173:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry. The judicial branch has and I'm saying that's bad Why don't you side with the founders and the system they set up anymore? =( The Judicial Branch was created to decide questions of law. And that's what they did. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890400011] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right </quote> The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry.</quote> The judicial branch has and I'm saying that's bad</quote> Why don't you side with the founders and the system they set up anymore? =( The Judicial Branch was created to decide questions of law. And that's what they did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 11/14/17 7:54:07 PM #174:	Nelson_Mandela posted... GuessMyUserName posted... how does a right come from nature what You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him. Psh, some of these people probably think nuclear weapons exist too. Jefferson didn't, and we all know he knew what was what --- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:890400059] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>how does a right come from nature what</quote> You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him.</quote> Psh, some of these people probably think nuclear weapons exist too. Jefferson didn't, and we all know he knew what was what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/14/17 7:54:11 PM #175:	Nelson_Mandela posted... You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority edit: oh ninja'd --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890400063] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>You're literally arguing against Jefferson, not me. But I'm sure you're just as smart as him.</quote> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority edit: oh ninja'd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/14/17 7:54:40 PM #176:	Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Well now we're getting philosophical If you dont fundamentally understand why you believe what you believe, youre doing it wrong. Because Thomas Jefferson said so isnt good enough for me But it should be. Potentially the most important man in American history, and debatably the best President... <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:890400097] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Well now we're getting philosophical</quote> If you dont fundamentally understand why you believe what you believe, youre doing it wrong. Because Thomas Jefferson said so isnt good enough for me</quote> But it should be. Potentially the most important man in American history, and debatably the best President...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 7:55:44 PM #177:	SSJBGenkiDama posted... But it should be. Are you arguing he's infallible? Because it sounds like the two of you are going that route. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890400162] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote>But it should be.</quote> Are you arguing he's infallible? Because it sounds like the two of you are going that route.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/14/17 7:56:04 PM #178:	xp1337 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry. The judicial branch has and I'm saying that's bad Why don't you side with the founders and the system they set up anymore? =( The Judicial Branch was created to decide questions of law. And that's what they did. The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened... <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:890400185] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> The entire point is that marriage is not an inalienable right </quote> The United States government has deemed it to be so. Sorry.</quote> The judicial branch has and I'm saying that's bad</quote> Why don't you side with the founders and the system they set up anymore? =( The Judicial Branch was created to decide questions of law. And that's what they did.</quote> The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 7:57:33 PM #179:	SSJBGenkiDama posted... The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened... That's odd because SCOTUS determines questions of Constitutionality. And in their judgment this is not what happened. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890400265] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote>The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened...</quote> That's odd because SCOTUS determines questions of Constitutionality. And in their judgment this is not what happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/14/17 7:57:46 PM #180:	Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? This topic is never gonna learn. --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:890400276] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? This topic is never gonna learn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 7:58:32 PM #181:	Nelson_Mandela posted... I'll take that company over the Marx/Hitler/Stalin/Jakyl perspective. Yet you value my perspective so much that you carry my endorsement in your signature --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890400321] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I'll take that company over the Marx/Hitler/Stalin/Jakyl perspective.</quote> Yet you value my perspective so much that you carry my endorsement in your signature</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 7:59:51 PM #182:	LapisLazuli posted... This topic is never gonna learn. correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you fairly recently get into an absurdly protracted argument that derailed this topic for like 500 posts --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890400392] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is never gonna learn.</quote> correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you fairly recently get into an absurdly protracted argument that derailed this topic for like 500 posts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 8:00:16 PM #183:	xp1337 posted... SSJBGenkiDama posted... The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened... That's odd because SCOTUS determines questions of Constitutionality. And in their judgment this is not what happened. And guess what? There even is a Constitutionally approved check on their judgment, via an Amendment to the document Its tough but it exists, if you believe their judgment has egregiously erred! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890400413] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote>The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened...</quote> That's odd because SCOTUS determines questions of Constitutionality. And in their judgment this is not what happened.</quote> And guess what? There even is a Constitutionally approved check on their judgment, via an Amendment to the document Its tough but it exists, if you believe their judgment has egregiously erred!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/14/17 8:00:30 PM #184:	seriously though, it's par for the course for MWC to have a stance like "___ is true because it was said by thomas jefferson and every single word thomas jefferson said was automatically 100% correct" but i expected more from sephy. even when he's trolling (i.e. almost always in this topic) his stuff is usually more interesting to read than... that. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890400427] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>seriously though, it's par for the course for MWC to have a stance like "___ is true because it was said by thomas jefferson and every single word thomas jefferson said was automatically 100% correct" but i expected more from sephy. even when he's trolling (i.e. almost always in this topic) his stuff is usually more interesting to read than... that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/14/17 8:02:14 PM #185:	LapisLazuli posted... Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? i'm just killing time. normally i wouldn't engage MWC but since half the regulars here constantly engage him i'm like "who cares." --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890400538] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day?</quote> i'm just killing time. normally i wouldn't engage MWC but since half the regulars here constantly engage him i'm like "who cares."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/14/17 8:02:37 PM #186:	xp1337 posted... SSJBGenkiDama posted... The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened... That's odd because SCOTUS determines questions of Constitutionality. And in their judgment this is not what happened. Most of the people on that Supreme Court were led completely by their political bias and not remotely the law... it would be hard to come up with someone in the history of our country who committed more political misgivings than RBG <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:890400555] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote>The judicial branch was not created to circumvent the 10th Amendment. Which is exactly what happened...</quote> That's odd because SCOTUS determines questions of Constitutionality. And in their judgment this is not what happened.</quote> Most of the people on that Supreme Court were led completely by their political bias and not remotely the law... it would be hard to come up with someone in the history of our country who committed more political misgivings than RBG</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 8:02:48 PM #187:	Really? This is consistent with him. I recall a long time ago discussing... I want to say the Electoral College... and back then he also seemed to hold the ideas of the founders to an infallible level. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890400572] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>Really? This is consistent with him. I recall a long time ago discussing... I want to say the Electoral College... and back then he also seemed to hold the ideas of the founders to an infallible level.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/14/17 8:03:06 PM #188:	xp1337 posted... LapisLazuli posted... This topic is never gonna learn. correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you fairly recently get into an absurdly protracted argument that derailed this topic for like 500 posts There was a Lopen argument that lasted for over 500 posts but I only got in on the tail end of that, and Lopen is not just another troll. He brought my name up a lot while I wasn't posting, might be what got you confused! --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:890400598] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is never gonna learn.</quote> correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you fairly recently get into an absurdly protracted argument that derailed this topic for like 500 posts</quote> There was a Lopen argument that lasted for over 500 posts but I only got in on the tail end of that, and Lopen is not just another troll. He brought my name up a lot while I wasn't posting, might be what got you confused!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/14/17 8:03:17 PM #189:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Marx/Hitler/Stalin/Jakyl perspective. I have to call this bullshit out too. None of these 4 have anything but a modicum of similarity in that Hitler and Stalin used the word "communist/socialist" in the same way North Korea uses "democratic" and "republic." Not that Marx's ideas were anything close to a good idea (their naivety is astounding even by today's standards) but come on. Well, except Jakyl, who is obviously the worst of each of them. ~~<3 ya dude~~ --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:890400607] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Marx/Hitler/Stalin/Jakyl perspective.</quote> I have to call this bullshit out too. None of these 4 have anything but a modicum of similarity in that Hitler and Stalin used the word "communist/socialist" in the same way North Korea uses "democratic" and "republic." Not that Marx's ideas were anything close to a good idea (their naivety is astounding even by today's standards) but come on. Well, except Jakyl, who is obviously the worst of each of them. <3 ya dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 8:03:58 PM #190:	This is a good philosophical discussion to have. Like I said, your beliefs only mean something if youve worked through the fundamental reasons why you believe them Seph, being philosophically lazy, stops at appeal to authority and can explain his beliefs no further --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890400658] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>This is a good philosophical discussion to have. Like I said, your beliefs only mean something if youve worked through the fundamental reasons why you believe them Seph, being philosophically lazy, stops at appeal to authority and can explain his beliefs no further</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 8:05:11 PM #191:	LapisLazuli posted... xp1337 posted... LapisLazuli posted... This topic is never gonna learn. correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you fairly recently get into an absurdly protracted argument that derailed this topic for like 500 posts There was a Lopen argument that lasted for over 500 posts but I only got in on the tail end of that, and Lopen is not just another troll. He brought my name up a lot while I wasn't posting, might be what got you confused! Could be! And yes, I didn't mean to imply Lopen was a troll. That discussion was entirely off the rails though is what I meant. This one is at least on philosophy of rights and politics. Between the two I think this is far more preferable. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890400739] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>This topic is never gonna learn.</quote> correct me if i'm wrong but didn't you fairly recently get into an absurdly protracted argument that derailed this topic for like 500 posts</quote> There was a Lopen argument that lasted for over 500 posts but I only got in on the tail end of that, and Lopen is not just another troll. He brought my name up a lot while I wasn't posting, might be what got you confused!</quote> Could be! And yes, I didn't mean to imply Lopen was a troll. That discussion was entirely off the rails though is what I meant. This one is at least on philosophy of rights and politics. Between the two I think this is far more preferable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 11/14/17 8:06:47 PM #192:	Stalin was a communist. He was a total douchebag and an evil motherfucker, but Stalinism is branched off from Marxism, and isn't a complete perversion of the philosophy. --- Thus is our treaty written, thus is our agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given; the price is paid. ARF <cite>NFUN posted [p:890400832] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>Stalin was a communist. He was a total douchebag and an evil motherfucker, but Stalinism is branched off from Marxism, and isn't a complete perversion of the philosophy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 11/14/17 8:07:50 PM #193:	LapisLazuli posted... Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? This topic is never gonna learn. If people listened to every "omg why u talk to dat guy" post these topics would consist of Jakyl posting links about Trump being an idiot, a few people saying "yep, Trump sucks" and that would be that --- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:890400894] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? This topic is never gonna learn.</quote> If people listened to every "omg why u talk to dat guy" post these topics would consist of Jakyl posting links about Trump being an idiot, a few people saying "yep, Trump sucks" and that would be that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/14/17 8:08:52 PM #194:	Panthera posted... If people listened to every "omg why u talk to dat guy" post these topics would consist of Jakyl posting links about Trump being an idiot, a few people saying "yep, Trump sucks" and that would be that that would be a lot better. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:890400955] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote>If people listened to every "omg why u talk to dat guy" post these topics would consist of Jakyl posting links about Trump being an idiot, a few people saying "yep, Trump sucks" and that would be that</quote> that would be a lot better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJBGenkiDama 11/14/17 8:09:19 PM #195:	xp1337 posted... SSJBGenkiDama posted... But it should be. Are you arguing he's infallible? Because it sounds like the two of you are going that route. I'm arguing he is as close to infallible as any human ever born except Christ. And that if anyone is too argue with his political and country thoughts they had better have been to college and LITERALLY studied this shit, otherwise he supersedes them every time. <cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted [p:890400981] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote>But it should be.</quote> Are you arguing he's infallible? Because it sounds like the two of you are going that route.</quote> I'm arguing he is as close to infallible as any human ever born except Christ. And that if anyone is too argue with his political and country thoughts they had better have been to college and LITERALLY studied this shit, otherwise he supersedes them every time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 8:09:21 PM #196:	Panthera posted... LapisLazuli posted... Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? This topic is never gonna learn. If people listened to every "omg why u talk to dat guy" post these topics would consist of Jakyl posting links about Trump being an idiot, a few people saying "yep, Trump sucks" and that would be that Sometimes I post links about Hannity --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890400983] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>Why are you giving these two fucks the time of day? This topic is never gonna learn.</quote> If people listened to every "omg why u talk to dat guy" post these topics would consist of Jakyl posting links about Trump being an idiot, a few people saying "yep, Trump sucks" and that would be that</quote> Sometimes I post links about Hannity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/14/17 8:10:01 PM #197:	Real talk though, I'm contributing to this discussion because I find it at least theoretically interesting. I ignore discussions that I think aren't. Whether I have high hopes of the discussion being productive is another thing altogether but if nothing else it lets me work on reflecting on my own thoughts some. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:890401025] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>Real talk though, I'm contributing to this discussion because I find it at least theoretically interesting. I ignore discussions that I think aren't. Whether I have high hopes of the discussion being productive is another thing altogether but if nothing else it lets me work on reflecting on my own thoughts some.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 11/14/17 8:10:51 PM #198:	Sounds like a better topic. Fortunately, as much as the Cons would like to claim otherwise, the liberals in this topic actually do disagree on several issues which end up being debated. Just look at the lawyer dog mess. We don't need 3-5 pages of dump in every topic to justify it's existence --- H E Y W A S S H I L E T S E N J O Y K A G A W A L I F E <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:890401069] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like a better topic. Fortunately, as much as the Cons would like to claim otherwise, the liberals in this topic actually do disagree on several issues which end up being debated. Just look at the lawyer dog mess. We don't need 3-5 pages of dump in every topic to justify it's existence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/14/17 8:11:14 PM #199:	SSJBGenkiDama posted... I'm arguing he is as close to infallible as any human ever born except Christ. What sells him short? The interracial sex? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:890401098] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJBGenkiDama posted...</cite> <quote> I'm arguing he is as close to infallible as any human ever born except Christ.</quote> What sells him short? The interracial sex?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 11/14/17 8:12:03 PM #200:	NFUN posted... Stalin was a communist. He was a total douchebag and an evil motherfucker, but Stalinism is branched off from Marxism, and isn't a complete perversion of the philosophy. I disagree with the last part. Communism, as I've read about it, is fundamentally at odds with dictatorship since it's supposed to be governed by, uh, the community. The problem was that Lenin fucked everything up by trying to go right from feudalism to communism without going through capitalism first, creating a working class that would then have the opportunity to rise up. (I investigated this pretty thoroughly in university for a history course.) When you take a monarchy from people who know only monarchy, of course they're going to go for the strongman who acts like a monarch ere long. Marxist communism would have sucked too, possibly more since it would lead to a hilariously weak central government as well, but let's go a little deeper than "there's a sickle and hammer so he embodies Marx." --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:890401144] in Politics C... [t:75989942]...</cite> <quote><cite>NFUN posted...</cite> <quote>Stalin was a communist. He was a total douchebag and an evil motherfucker, but Stalinism is branched off from Marxism, and isn't a complete perversion of the philosophy.</quote> I disagree with the last part. Communism, as I've read about it, is fundamentally at odds with dictatorship since it's supposed to be governed by, uh, the community. The problem was that Lenin fucked everything up by trying to go right from feudalism to communism without going through capitalism first, creating a working class that would then have the opportunity to rise up. (I investigated this pretty thoroughly in university for a history course.) When you take a monarchy from people who know only monarchy, of course they're going to go for the strongman who acts like a monarch ere long. Marxist communism would have sucked too, possibly more since it would lead to a hilariously weak central government as well, but let's go a little deeper than "there's a sickle and hammer so he embodies Marx."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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