Poll of the Day > Just finished Witcher 3

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That was fun. I was happy enough with the ending.
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Which ending did you get?

I really want to like this game but for some reason I get bored and frustrated with it.

Its wonderfully made, I can recognize that its a great game, but then I bail after an hour or two playing it. Hope to finish it someday but I have to be in the mood for it I think.
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Far-Queue posted...

I really want to like this game but for some reason I get bored and frustrated with it.

Its wonderfully made, I can recognize that its a great game, but then I bail after an hour or two playing it. Hope to finish it someday but I have to be in the mood for it I think.

My exact thing too. I don't know why either.
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Mynash posted...

Which ending did you get?

Sexed everyone, got no one. Ciri survived and took up monster hunting.
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I understand it's different in the books, but what's her face the redhead is obviously a better choice than the black haired chick.

Like, for real, that chick is actually into you. The other is a huge bitch. Why they gotta make the redhead fuck off like that?
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how does the endings work? can i get them all in one go like Metal Gear Solid V or do i have to restart the game and start all over again?
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Smarkil posted...

I understand it's different in the books, but what's her face the redhead is obviously a better choice than the black haired chick.

Like, for real, that chick is actually into you. The other is a huge bitch. Why they gotta make the redhead fuck off like that?

It's because Yennefer (The black haired chick) is more worried about saving her adopted daughter than taking the long way around, and she is willing to take responsibility for her actions. This shows especially when she reanimates a corpse using dark energy in order to extract information from it; the result is the magical garden they were in was drained of its energy, and the villagers promised revenge on both Yennefer and Geralt. But she stepped up and admitted that it was her fault and hers alone, causing the villagers to curse and reject her.

Once you rescue Ciri, Yennefer does become calmer (Not by much, I'll admit. But it's there) and shows her fun side if you choose the correct options during certain events.

But it all comes down to taste. I prefer mature women like Yennefer who know what they want in life, and others prefer Triss' girly "OMG NUUD STATUES TEE HEE" attitude. Triss does actually step up to help Ciri and does an amazing job as she puts her own life in danger, but her ultimate goal isn't Ciri as she has other concerns to worry about.

Nothing wrong with either choice, really.

ernieforss posted...

how does the endings work? can i get them all in one go like Metal Gear Solid V or do i have to restart the game and start all over again?

There are choices that affect it all throughout the game but the biggest change involving Ciri you can make a save before the first point of no return or even a little bit after it.
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ernieforss posted...

how does the endings work? can i get them all in one go like Metal Gear Solid V or do i have to restart the game and start all over again?

Eh, there are certain 'choices' you make during the game that will point you in the direction of the ending you want. You can't get them all in one game, as some endings involve getting some people killed while others survive. But you can save the game on a separate slot before making these choices, and when you're done you can reload.

I actually prefer to go for a NG+ instead of reloading. You'll get to keep all your equipment (albeit outdated), levels and skills. If you ignore the sidequests and make a beeline for the quests that will affect the endings, I'm sure it won't take too long. It won't take as long as starting all over again, I'll say.

Mynash posted...

It's because Yennefer (The black haired chick) is more worried about saving her adopted daughter than taking the long way around, and she is willing to take responsibility for her actions. This shows especially when she reanimates a corpse using dark energy in order to extract information from it; the result is the magical garden they were in was drained of its energy, and the villagers promised revenge on both Yennefer and Geralt. But she stepped up and admitted that it was her fault and hers alone, causing the villagers to curse and reject her.

Once you rescue Ciri, Yennefer does become calmer (Not by much, I'll admit. But it's there) and shows her fun side if you choose the correct options during certain events.

But it all comes down to taste. I prefer mature women like Yennefer who know what they want in life, and others prefer Triss' girly "OMG NUUD STATUES TEE HEE" attitude. Triss does actually step up to help Ciri and does an amazing job as she puts her own life in danger, but her ultimate goal isn't Ciri as she has other concerns to worry about.

Nothing wrong with either choice, really.

That only excuses her for the course of the Witcher 3 game. She doesn't even exist in Witcher 1 or 2. As far as I know, Geralt is the only one who cared about trying to find her. She couldn't have given less of a fuck about him.

Triss cares about Geralt and Ciri and overall seems like a better person. You can call her immature, but I think there's a difference between being mature and a huge asshole.
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yen was mentioned in Witcher 1, and appeared in Witcher 2 through flashbacks.
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Smarkil posted...

That only excuses her for the course of the Witcher 3 game. She doesn't even exist in Witcher 1 or 2. As far as I know, Geralt is the only one who cared about trying to find her. She couldn't have given less of a fuck about him.

Triss cares about Geralt and Ciri and overall seems like a better person. You can call her immature, but I think there's a difference between being mature and a huge asshole.

Ah, yes. Triss cares about Geralt, obviously. Enough to use a little bit of 'magic' in order to help him make up his mind to be with her. It doesn't explicitly say if the magic she used was a form of mind control (A sorceress version of Axii, perhaps?) or if she used it to make her more desirable in his eyes, but I'm guessing it's the former. Or maybe she cares about him enough to take advantage of his amnesia knowing full well he had other, more important things to do than be her lover.

Yennefer may not be the perfect woman, but Triss is no angel either.

Mynash posted...

Ah, yes. Triss cares about Geralt, obviously. Enough to use a little bit of 'magic' in order to help him make up his mind to be with her. It doesn't explicitly say if the magic she used was a form of mind control (A sorceress version of Axii, perhaps?) or if she used it to make her more desirable in his eyes, but I'm guessing it's the former. Or maybe she cares about him enough to take advantage of his amnesia knowing full well he had other, more important things to do than be her lover.

Yennefer may not be the perfect woman, but Triss is no angel either.

Is that in the games or in the books? Because if it's in the books I don't care.
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yutterh posted...

Far-Queue posted...

I really want to like this game but for some reason I get bored and frustrated with it.

My exact thing too. I don't know why either.

Is it possible that part of your issue with it was because, while it allows "choice", you don't really feel like you have all that much freedom to really define Geralt's personality in any meaningful way, and most of the choices are generally inconsequential?

Because that was probably my only real problem with the game. Giving the illusion of occasion choice just made me more aware of all the times I wasn't being given any choice at all, and that a lot of the choices I COULD make were all basically no win scenarios where every possible outcome was going to be crap no matter which choice I made.

I think it might have been worst in the Hearts of Stone DLC, where it seemed like almost everything Geralt said or did ran counter to anything I would have wanted to say or do in his situation. It became annoying, and made it harder to enjoy the overall story that was being told.



Smarkil posted...

I understand it's different in the books, but what's her face the redhead is obviously a better choice than the black haired chick.

Actually, take back what I said about only having one major problem with the game. This was probably the only other major problem I had with the game.

Because of how the story is presented, I basically felt forced into choosing Yennefer against my will, in spite of Triss being the far more worthwhile option. Yennefer and Geralt are basically the canon couple from the novels (and the entire history of their characters prior to him losing his memory at the start of the first game), and being together while raising Ciri effectively makes her Ciri's mom in the same way that Geralt is basically Ciri's dad. Plus, the game as a whole starts with you desperately trying to find Yennefer, and generally pushing her into the primary love-interest role.

So rejecting Yennefer in-game isn't just turning your back on Yennefer (who is kind of a bitch and mostly deserves it anyway), it's also breaking up what Ciri sees as her real family by divorcing her mom, and kind of shitting on continuity. Sure, you can DO it, but because the overall narrative is absolutely the most important part of any game for me, I basically feel railroaded into choosing Yennefer, and I wind up sort of resenting both Yennefer and the game for it.

Which gets even more annoying because the game basically puts the Triss section of the plot earlier (and again, you CAN do things out of order, but it's harder that way) than the Yennefer plot, meaning you have to reject Triss (and clearly break her heart) in order to keep yourself free for Yennefer (or wind up getting the worst outcome).


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Mynash posted...

It's because Yennefer (The black haired chick) is more worried about saving her adopted daughter than taking the long way around, and she is willing to take responsibility for her actions.

It's not really that at all. It's because Yennefer is incredibly stand-offish and abusive (to Geralt, who is openly supportive of her in pretty much every way), to the point where, if you have no context for their relationship outside of the game itself, there's pretty much zero reason why Geralt should EVER love her, unless he's a masochist who enjoys being treated like shit.

Nor does it help that, at no point does Yennefer ever make an effort to really look for or contact Geralt at all across multiple games, in spite of the fact that, if saving Ciri is her only goal, Geralt's help would be absolutely invaluable (and if she even remotely cares about Geralt at all, it would also be moderately considerate to tell him that Ciri was in danger in the first place). The game touches on this, but at no point is Geralt ever really as pissed as he SHOULD be about it.

There are hints that Yennefer actually does care, but they only really happen after you've already committed to her romance, or in post-game DLC. While the romance is still up in the air, she basically gives you zero reason to want to be with her at all (even Keira comes across as more affectionate, even as she's berating or betraying you). And Yennefer also has a tendency to come across as a haughty bitch to pretty much everyone, which gives the impression that she isn't a very good person. She doesn't come across like an otherwise good woman who is simply impatient or distracted because she's worried about Ciri, she comes across like a grade-A turbo c***.

On the flip-side of the coin, Triss comes across as being far more nice in general (both to Geralt AND other characters), and is clearly in love with Geralt (and has been across multiple games). And while Triss can be a bit silly and/or soppy at times, and seems to share the universal snarky sarcasm every sorceress shows in the games, it always tends to come across as much more good-willed than anything Yennefer seems capable of. Even when Yennefer is being affectionate, she's still coldly distant and kind of a bitch.

In a real world context, Triss very much comes across like the kind of person you might actually be happy in a relationship with, while Yennefer mostly comes across like the kind of person you're going to be trapped in a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship with.

Again, based solely on the games, with no outside context, and if Yennefer's relationship to Ciri is removed from the equation, there's almost no reason why anyone sane should ever want to pursue Yennefer over Triss.


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i spent hours playing that game. i beat it 3 times. good game. i sped through the dlc tho.
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Smarkil posted...

Mynash posted...

Ah, yes. Triss cares about Geralt, obviously. Enough to use a little bit of 'magic' in order to help him make up his mind to be with her. It doesn't explicitly say if the magic she used was a form of mind control (A sorceress version of Axii, perhaps?) or if she used it to make her more desirable in his eyes, but I'm guessing it's the former. Or maybe she cares about him enough to take advantage of his amnesia knowing full well he had other, more important things to do than be her lover.

Yennefer may not be the perfect woman, but Triss is no angel either.

Is that in the games or in the books? Because if it's in the books I don't care.

If I remember correctly, it's implied in the first game that Triss uses some minor magic to influence Geralt after she realizes he has amnesia, because she's been attracted to him for a while, and realized that she had a chance to maybe hook up with him now that Yennefer was essentially out of the picture. Which a lot of people might understandably be kind of skeeved out by.

On the other hand, Geralt also goes out of his way through all of the games to not be bothered by it at all, and clearly continues to be fond of Triss (either romantically or platonically) even after he's aware that she took advantage of him, so it's harder to see it as a total deal-breaker.

Then again, the entirety of Yennefer and Geralt's relationship is built on the magical manipulation of a genie's wish magic (which is addressed in Yennefer's relationship quest in Witcher 3), so it seems like most of Geralt's potential love life is rooted in being magically influenced anyway.

And that's not even getting into the fact that, if you play Geralt as a "fuck anything that moves" sort of character through the various games, he's pretty skeevy in his own right. "Oh, I have to track down Yennefer, my long-time love who I am pining for, and together we have to save our adopted daughter, but I just bumped into Keira Metz so I'm going to stop and take a break so we can bone." "Oh, I've completed the main game and finally united with my one true love (whether it be Yennefer or Triss) and we'll be together forev- oh, hey there Shani. Long time no see. Wanna fuck?" "Oh hey there random prostitute. Here's some coins, here's some coins, now let me sheathe my silver sword in your scabbard."


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

And that's not even getting into the fact that, if you play Geralt as a "fuck anything that moves" sort of character through the various games, he's pretty skeevy in his own right. "Oh, I have to track down Yennefer, my long-time love who I am pining for, and together we have to save our adopted daughter, but I just bumped into Keira Metz so I'm going to stop and take a break so we can bone." "Oh, I've completed the main game and finally united with my one true love (whether it be Yennefer or Triss) and we'll be together forev- oh, hey there Shani. Long time no see. Wanna fuck?" "Oh hey there random prostitute. Here's some coins, here's some coins, now let me sheathe my silver sword in your scabbard."

That reminds me, I should go find the tavern maid that was friends with Ciri
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's not really that at all. It's because Yennefer is incredibly stand-offish and abusive (to Geralt, who is openly supportive of her in pretty much every way), to the point where, if you have no context for their relationship outside of the game itself, there's pretty much zero reason why Geralt should EVER love her, unless he's a masochist who enjoys being treated like shit.

Nor does it help that, at no point does Yennefer ever make an effort to really look for or contact Geralt at all across multiple games, in spite of the fact that, if saving Ciri is her only goal, Geralt's help would be absolutely invaluable (and if she even remotely cares about Geralt at all, it would also be moderately considerate to tell him that Ciri was in danger in the first place). The game touches on this, but at no point is Geralt ever really as pissed as he SHOULD be about it.

There are hints that Yennefer actually does care, but they only really happen after you've already committed to her romance, or in post-game DLC. While the romance is still up in the air, she basically gives you zero reason to want to be with her at all (even Keira comes across as more affectionate, even as she's berating or betraying you). And Yennefer also has a tendency to come across as a haughty bitch to pretty much everyone, which gives the impression that she isn't a very good person. She doesn't come across like an otherwise good woman who is simply impatient or distracted because she's worried about Ciri, she comes across like a grade-A turbo c***.

On the flip-side of the coin, Triss comes across as being far more nice in general (both to Geralt AND other characters), and is clearly in love with Geralt (and has been across multiple games). And while Triss can be a bit silly and/or soppy at times, and seems to share the universal snarky sarcasm every sorceress shows in the games, it always tends to come across as much more good-willed than anything Yennefer seems capable of. Even when Yennefer is being affectionate, she's still coldly distant and kind of a bitch.

In a real world context, Triss very much comes across like the kind of person you might actually be happy in a relationship with, while Yennefer mostly comes across like the kind of person you're going to be trapped in a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship with.

Again, based solely on the games, with no outside context, and if Yennefer's relationship to Ciri is removed from the equation, there's almost no reason why anyone sane should ever want to pursue Yennefer over Triss.

Yes, all these things. That's why I was annoyed with the false dilemma between the two. The game essentially forces you to choose Yennifer despite, I would think, most people wanting to actually go with Triss as the more likeable person.

If the game hadn't coerced me into believing Yennefer was the 'true' ending then I would have picked Triss every time. But I'm a sucker for trying to play to canon I suppose.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

If I remember correctly, it's implied in the first game that Triss uses some minor magic to influence Geralt after she realizes he has amnesia, because she's been attracted to him for a while, and realized that she had a chance to maybe hook up with him now that Yennefer was essentially out of the picture. Which a lot of people might understandably be kind of skeeved out by.

I'm not sure I ever actually completed Witcher 1, so I may have missed this. I really only started with Witcher 2. In any case, her magic doesn't appear to work as you're certainly capable of completely ignoring her. So either she chose not to actually use it, or it's just very ineffective.
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I got the bad ending but the journey was worth it. I've still not played the DLC yet so perhaps I'll play through the whole game again when I get around to either buying the pass or the complete version of the game.
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Triss is actually quite manipulative, considering she took advantage of Geralt's amnesia in the first and second games. She was best friends with Yennefer, and when Geralt lost his memories of Yen, Triss took the opportunity to swoop in and woo him over without ever mentioning Yen. This is exactly why here, in the third game, she acts very shy and distant toward Geralt. With Geralt's memories back, they both know exactly what Triss was doing, and Triss even apologizes for "using" him. She doesn't force herself onto Geralt in this game, which actually makes it a more difficult choice for the player to stick with Triss. Do you stick with the woman who stuck by you during the lows, or do you return to your once-true love?

It's a much more difficult decision to make if you've played the previous games and read the books.

po just bombed this topic, I'm out
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Love the game, never had time to beat it tho, it's just too story driven. I pretty much just play bf1.

whodathunk an rpg is most story driven
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helIy posted...

whodathunk an rpg is most story driven

Most rpg's hold your hand, but tw3 makes you think so much that I need a lot of energy to play it, which sometimes I just don't have anymore. The bestiary is fun to reads tho.

witcher 3 held my hand more than any other rpg i'd ever played, what are you talking about

all you have to do is read what the quest says, follow the map marker, and usually hold left trigger.
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What I mean is, there's so much to the game to understand and comprehend that it's hard to keep track of it all.

Triss is more like a girl with a crush, Yen is more like a confident woman
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minervo posted...

What I mean is, there's so much to the game to understand and comprehend that it's hard to keep track of it all.

I mean, maybe if its your first non-Bethesda RPG. No offense but there not much that you need to understand in the Witcher 3, especially compared to the first two games.
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