Current Events > Louisiana high school will remove players from football team if they kneel.

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Mal_Fet posted...

You're right, but they do have the right to eject kids from their football team.

They threatened them with suspensions too you dumb shit, read the fucking article. @Mal_Fet
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Imagine being a kid that just wants to play football and doesn't care about politics these days. You're making a statement if you kneel or stand. What can they do?
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Would be funny if a large percentage of the team kneeled
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lol
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Does any non-communist/dictiatorship country have as fascistic a relationship with its national anthem as America does?

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

You're right, but they do have the right to eject kids from their football team.

They threatened them with suspensions too you dumb shit, read the fucking article. @Mal_Fet

I'm not even sure Mal's statement is accurate if the basis for ejection (which is enforced by the state) has to do with freedom of speech.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Would be funny if a large percentage of the team kneeled

Was thinking this too. What happens if the whole team kneels? Or maybe even just 50+%?
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Does any non-communist/dictiatorship country have as fascistic a relationship with its national anthem as America does?

Doubt it

Best player on the team has to kneel before anyone else does.

School wouldn't dare do anything to them.
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Capn Circus posted...

Good. The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this.

Is this a private school? Because if it's public that could easily be seen as an arm of the government punishing a student for exercising a constitutional right.
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Fair, next. Stand for the flag and show some respect. Hopefully they're removed from the School as an example.

k darkfire posted...

Fair, next. Stand for the flag and show some respect. Hopefully they're removed from the School as an example.

Lol at being removed from school for literally not hurting anybody or anything.
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k darkfire posted...

Fair, next. Stand for the flag and show some respect. Hopefully they're removed from the School as an example.

Can't do that if it's a public school. The Supreme Court already ruled on something similar to this when students didn't want to recite the pledge years ago. An arm of the government (which a public school is) can't punish a student for exercising their right to free speech in that manner.
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Can't do that if it's a public school. The Supreme Court already ruled on something similar to this when students didn't want to recite the pledge years ago. An arm of the government (which a public school is) can't punish a student for exercising their right to free speech in that manner.

This. It's fucking amazing to me how many chuckle fucks don't actually understand the issues behind this and how the USSC has already ruled on these type of cases. Public schools cannot force their students to partake in these types of things under the threat of punishment. This isn't the same as an employer/employee relationship and it isn't a 1 to 1 ratio between this and the NFL protests no matter how hard people want to mash the two issues together.
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literal_garbage posted...

The schools football team is not part of or associated with the school in any way.

I don't know what you're not getting about this

Yeah, that's not true at all. Unless something is a private club which doesn't receive funding from the school, which certainly is not the case in this situation, they absolutely are associated and an arm of the school. Likewise because an athlete's actions are being threatened by punishment by the school(the principal is issuing this threat) then it's absolutely an overreach and therefore a violation.

Learn law please, because the amount of times you spout ignorant bullshit about things you don't know is astounding.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

This isn't the same as an employer/employee relationship

Actually if the employer is the government, then it is the same relationship.

You can't get fired from the White House for exercising freedom of speech. They'll need some other reason.
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The left flubbed this one pretty badly. If you want to cram you oppression olympics worlview on viewers, do it differently. Surely you can think of something. I've seen SJWs say, "b-but we aren't insulting vets. We are just saying racism racism racism! You're misunderstanding us." Well whose fault is that?

People on the other side of the aisle are blamed when others misunderstand them, even for benign things. Everything is a racist or sexist dogwhistle. Thug is supposed to be the new n-word, etc. Ok, well here is some of your own medicine. Suprise, middle America gets mad when you take a dump on the flag while making a black power hand sign, all while calling everybody else a racist.
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any "Conservative" who is supporting this high school has some serious fucking self reflection to do. you claim to support the Constitution and you claim to be against government overstep. you fear tyranny of an oppressive state, yet here you are, literally encouraging FORCED patriotism.

any "Conservative" who supports this is a total fucking hypocrite and that's an objective fact.

not to mention the SCOTUS already ruled on this and declared a public school CANNOT enforce the pledge or the anthem. learn your fucking history, dimwits.

also, stop being outraged on behalf of veterans, they can speak for themselves, thank you.
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tennisdude818 posted...

The left flubbed this one pretty badly. If you want to cram you oppression olympics worlview on viewers, do it differently. Surely you can think of something. I've seen SJWs say, "b-but we aren't insulting vets. We are just saying racism racism racism! You're misunderstanding us." Well whose fault is that?

People on the other side of the aisle are blamed when others misunderstand them, even for benign things. Everything is a racist or sexist dogwhistle. Thug is supposed to be the new n-word, etc. Ok, well here is some of your own medicine. Suprise, middle America gets mad when you take a dump on the flag while making a black power hand sign, all while calling everybody else a racist.

Nothing about what you said argued the legality of what was happened and instead used meaningless phrases and buzzwords trying to insult "THE LIBERALS!".

Why don't you try to focus on the facts instead of your boring zingers?
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^ Conservative stroking out because his brain can't process the scenario properly. @ tennisdude818
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tennisdude818 posted...

The left flubbed this one pretty badly. If you want to cram you oppression olympics worlview on viewers, do it differently. Surely you can think of something. I've seen SJWs say, "b-but we aren't insulting vets. We are just saying racism racism racism! You're misunderstanding us." Well whose fault is that?

People on the other side of the aisle are blamed when others misunderstand them, even for benign things. Everything is a racist or sexist dogwhistle. Thug is supposed to be the new n-word, etc. Ok, well here is some of your own medicine. Suprise, middle America gets mad when you take a dump on the flag while making a black power hand sign, all while calling everybody else a racist.

Lmao

The Great Muta 22 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

The left flubbed this one pretty badly. If you want to cram you oppression olympics worlview on viewers, do it differently. Surely you can think of something. I've seen SJWs say, "b-but we aren't insulting vets. We are just saying racism racism racism! You're misunderstanding us." Well whose fault is that?

People on the other side of the aisle are blamed when others misunderstand them, even for benign things. Everything is a racist or sexist dogwhistle. Thug is supposed to be the new n-word, etc. Ok, well here is some of your own medicine. Suprise, middle America gets mad when you take a dump on the flag while making a black power hand sign, all while calling everybody else a racist.

Nothing about what you said argued the legality of what was happened and instead used meaningless phrases and buzzwords trying to insult "THE LIBERALS!".

Why don't you try to focus on the facts instead of your boring zingers?

I don't think you should get suspended for refusing to participate in the anthem. Even if you are protesting a bunch of bullcrap that doesn't exist like BLM does. Happy? Being ejected from the team or game would not bother me nearly as much if at all.

Obviously this crap all rolled downhill from the NFL, so my comment was directed at the source. I don't care if professionals end up unemployed from their bubbleheaded victim antics because they are employees causing their employers to lose money.
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tennisdude818 posted...

I don't think you should get suspended for refusing to participate in the anthem. Even if you are protesting a bunch of bullcrap that doesn't exist like BLM does. Happy? Being ejected from the team or game would not bother me nearly as much if at all.

Obviously this crap all rolled downhill from the NFL, so my comment was directed at the source. I don't care if professionals end up unemployed from their bubbleheaded victim antics because they are employees causing their employers to lose money.

At least you actually acknowledged the topic at hand while using stupid buzzwords instead of simply ignoring them. But being ejected and punished by the school is still a violation, despite you hating that.

Likewise unfortunately for you the NFL employers aren't stopping and instead encouraging their employees to exercise their right. So you can go pound salt and cry about it all you want
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They should kneel with kaepernick. That should make everything clear.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

any "Conservative" who is supporting this high school has some serious fucking self reflection to do. you claim to support the Constitution and you claim to be against government overstep. you fear tyranny of an oppressive state, yet here you are, literally encouraging FORCED patriotism.

any "Conservative" who supports this is a total fucking hypocrite and that's an objective fact.

not to mention the SCOTUS already ruled on this and declared a public school CANNOT enforce the pledge or the anthem. learn your fucking history, dimwits.

also, stop being outraged on behalf of veterans, they can speak for themselves, thank you.

You seem very outraged. I don't think these kids are being water boarded to stay on the football team. They can decide to stand or get off the team. If the national anthem bothers them that much then I would suggest a sport not steeped in American tradition, like maybe badminton, that seems safe.

Liberals hate rules, it makes them mad that they can't be special.
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Asherlee10 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

It's mindblowing that some people still can't figure out the difference between government censorship and private consequences. Keep it up, free speech advocates; it just makes it more obvious that "free speech" is your racism shield.

Maybe I'm not understanding, then. This is a very specific scenario that has to do with patriotism and not wanting to participate. It isn't just your average free speech scenario.

Free speech advocates is missing quotes, he's referring to the free speech proponents that only seem to care in situations like Charlottesville. Not the leftist free speech proponents that are defending the students here.
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BarneyBosco posted...

Liberals hate rules

Do we hate rules or are we authoritarian?

Can you people stay consistent in this topic? Fuck me.
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Looking more and more like 1933
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

BarneyBosco posted...

Liberals hate rules

Do we hate rules or are we authoritarian?

Can you people stay consistent in this topic? Fuck me.

you can't expect any level of logical consistency coming from anyone on that side of this argument
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"Obama is indoctrinating our kids! This is not a dictatorship"

"I don't see anything wrong with a public institution indoctrinating children by forcing them to stand for the pledge issue. Fuck liberals"

Keep exposing your hypocrisy.

First it was "economic anxiety" when explaining away the racism that led to trumps election

Now it's about "respect the flag" when explaining how conservative entities are trying to stomp out this protest by literally threatening children.
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ninjarobot_22 posted...

sondast posted...

"Hey North Korea, how dare you force people to praise the country! Hey you football players, you better stand for the national anthem or else!"

To be fair, I think people only "care" about North Korea because NK's been working towards a viable nuclear weapons program and they've been recently threatening to use those (eventual) weapons against the US and its allies. Other than that, people in the West act upset about Kim Jong Un oppressing his people, but if you notice, nothing much was being done about it.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

BarneyBosco posted...

Liberals hate rules

Do we hate rules or are we authoritarian?

Can you people stay consistent in this topic? Fuck me.

Lol, people on all sides of society, regardless of political affiliation, will probably always want the best of both worlds. This isn't a binary situation.

For example, Conservatives want smaller government influence over business (hate rules), but a lot of them also want the government to step in and stop abortions (authoritarian). Conversely, Liberals want the government to keep out of the abortion process (hate rules), but they also want the government to strongarm businesses through taxes and deep regulations (authoritarian).
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Asherlee10 posted...

This is floating to the top of Reddit right now. Though, I dislike the difference in "abusing" and "exercising."

I agree, the language is very leading and dishonest. However, his write up was "sort-of" abuse because he was essentially calling his co-workers AA hires. Of course, that's not abusing free speech. (Which by definition, may not even be possible.)
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What is free speech?

Fuck yeah. I grew up in Louisiana and one thing I can say is that they're either the very first or the very last to adapt to things. I am so proud of my former state for doing the right thing, here.
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Also, I love how liberals are acting like we think That this is something to be voted on.

The owners. Are SCARED. Of. The PLAYERS

These people are habitual criminals. They commit murder, assault, and rape, just to name a few of their proven charges. They are not statistically even good compared to the greats and they all think they're the reincarnation of Christ.

Remember, these "role models" are showing kids that you can cut somebody's head off (ray Lewis) or cause a shootout at a nightclub after a stripper picks up money you threw in the air (pacman jones).

On top of all of this, the other message they send to kids (and adults) is that you should spend $2000 for every $1000 you get.
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--kresnik-- is seriously trying to make some moves to get on my otherwise empty ignore list.
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--kresnik-- posted...

The owners. Are SCARED. Of. The PLAYERS

not even going to touch the rest of your dumbass post

However in regards to this, there is actually a bit of this going on on with both the owners and the players. We have players like Dez Bryant citing wanting to respect the owner / not mess up the money he's getting as at least being part of the reason he himself hasn't taken a knee.

But obviously the owners are scared of the players to some degree too. They know that cutting a player over this protest will simply spark other players to kneel and a good deal of negative public reaction. And unfortunately for them, they can't simply replace their employees as easily as most other employers could. Hypothetically if a large percentage of players individually decided to kneel, what are they going to do? Cut them all and almost assuredly set their franchise back?
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What a thoughtful response to a shit tier new troll.
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--kresnik-- posted...

These people are habitual criminals. They commit murder, assault, and rape, just to name a few of their proven charges. They are not statistically even good compared to the greats and they all think they're the reincarnation of Christ.

The crime rate is LOWER for NFL player then other males in their age group.
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Asherlee10 posted...

This is floating to the top of Reddit right now. Though, I dislike the difference in "abusing" and "exercising."

If this analogy is accurate, it applies to both sides of the aisle equally. You could just as easily replace the trump hat with purple SJW hair. But I don't find the analogy to be true. NFL players protesting in this way is having a direct impact on their employers revenue.

I'm not going to argue against an employers legal right to fire people because I'm far more libertarian than the status quo. But that doesn't mean I can't hold an opinion on when hiring and firing decisions are foolish.
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thronedfire2 posted...

gonna laugh if the whole team kneels

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Fair next
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Twin3Turbo posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

The owners. Are SCARED. Of. The PLAYERS

not even going to touch the rest of your dumbass post

However in regards to this, there is actually a bit of this going on on with both the owners and the players. We have players like Dez Bryant citing wanting to respect the owner / not mess up the money he's getting as at least being part of the reason he himself hasn't taken a knee.

But obviously the owners are scared of the players to some degree too. They know that cutting a player over this protest will simply spark other players to kneel and a good deal of negative public reaction. And unfortunately for them, they can't simply replace their employees as easily as most other employers could. Hypothetically if a large percentage of players individually decided to kneel, what are they going to do? Cut them all and almost assuredly set their franchise back?

Yep. Call up some hungry prospects who want to play rather than act.
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