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Capn Circus 09/28/17 11:30:15 PM #51:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Capn Circus posted... We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values. Earlier . . . Capn Circus posted... Good. So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship? Nah, I only said "Good" due to many people on the left's view of free speech, particularly on CE. I hear all the time, "Well technically they can be silenced and fired, the government isn't throwing them in jail" or "The University chose to not invite them so they shouldn't be there" I'm all for free speech, honestly. And 30-40 years ago, people could pretty much say whatever the hell they wanted to. At work, in public, among friends---and there wasn't some big outrage trying to get the next person fired or trying to get the next group from speaking on a public campus. With the current climate, due to leftists, I'm okay with this. Take a dose of their own medicine and, I guess, let the courts battle it out if it comes to that. That's what our country has become. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:887486028] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values.</quote> Earlier . . . <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Good. </quote> So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship?</quote> Nah, I only said "Good" due to many people on the left's view of free speech, particularly on CE. I hear all the time, "Well technically they can be silenced and fired, the government isn't throwing them in jail" or "The University chose to not invite them so they shouldn't be there" I'm all for free speech, honestly. And 30-40 years ago, people could pretty much say whatever the hell they wanted to. At work, in public, among friends---and there wasn't some big outrage trying to get the next person fired or trying to get the next group from speaking on a public campus. With the current climate, due to leftists, I'm okay with this. Take a dose of their own medicine and, I guess, let the courts battle it out if it comes to that. That's what our country has become.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Syntheticon 09/28/17 11:30:35 PM #52:	And if they all decide to kneel? That rule will get forgotten pretty quick and opinion will swing their way, just like all populism. --- Mod me? You don't even know me! <cite>Syntheticon posted [p:887486048] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>And if they all decide to kneel? That rule will get forgotten pretty quick and opinion will swing their way, just like all populism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aristoph 09/28/17 11:31:41 PM #54:	Hate speech should have consequences. That's why all the people walking around carrying Nazi flags and giving the Heil salute deserve the repercussions for espousing their bigotry and hatred. They are allowed to say whatever they want. And private individuals and companies are allowed to react to them any way they want. A peaceful protest against hatred and bigotry is not the same thing. --- PSN ID: Aristoph http://www.youtube.com/user/SotCRules <cite>Aristoph posted [p:887486110] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>Hate speech should have consequences. That's why all the people walking around carrying Nazi flags and giving the Heil salute deserve the repercussions for espousing their bigotry and hatred. They are allowed to say whatever they want. And private individuals and companies are allowed to react to them any way they want. A peaceful protest against hatred and bigotry is not the same thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EternalDivide 09/28/17 11:32:39 PM #55:	Manocheese posted... Skye Reynolds posted... Good. --- FFVII Remake: A disaster in the making. I'll laugh at whatever I find funny whether you like it or not. <cite>EternalDivide posted [p:887486173] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>Good.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 09/28/17 11:37:05 PM #56:	The left was loving it when schools were trying to stop students from wearing Trump t-shirts and hats. Why the change of heart? I thought they'd once again be behind the school telling the students what opinions they can express. --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:887486451] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>The left was loving it when schools were trying to stop students from wearing Trump t-shirts and hats. Why the change of heart? I thought they'd once again be behind the school telling the students what opinions they can express.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/28/17 11:37:48 PM #57:	conservatives sure hate the constitution that they claim to love. --- When a girl has sex with a bunch of guys, they call her a slut, but when a guy does it, they call him gay. ~ Antifar <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:887486491] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>conservatives sure hate the constitution that they claim to love.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
0AbsoluteZero0 09/28/17 11:40:01 PM #58:	Capn Circus posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Capn Circus posted... We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values. Earlier . . . Capn Circus posted... Good. So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship? Nah, I only said "Good" due to many people on the left's view of free speech, particularly on CE. I hear all the time, "Well technically they can be silenced and fired, the government isn't throwing them in jail" or "The University chose to not invite them so they shouldn't be there" I'm all for free speech, honestly. And 30-40 years ago, people could pretty much say whatever the hell they wanted to. At work, in public, among friends---and there wasn't some big outrage trying to get the next person fired or trying to get the next group from speaking on a public campus. With the current climate, due to leftists, I'm okay with this. Take a dose of their own medicine and, I guess, let the courts battle it out if it comes to that. That's what our country has become. So since liberals are doing wrong in your eyes (which is a completely ridiculous notion when your examples are not government related), your solution is to say well they got away with it, so we're going to do it too? All while purporting to be an advocate for free speech? Your mental gymnastics are astounding, Capn. You're literally supporting a public school coercing students into a nationalistic display under threat of removal from the team. What a clown. --- -The Admirable <cite>0AbsoluteZero0 posted [p:887486620] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values.</quote> Earlier . . . <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Good. </quote> So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship?</quote> Nah, I only said "Good" due to many people on the left's view of free speech, particularly on CE. I hear all the time, "Well technically they can be silenced and fired, the government isn't throwing them in jail" or "The University chose to not invite them so they shouldn't be there" I'm all for free speech, honestly. And 30-40 years ago, people could pretty much say whatever the hell they wanted to. At work, in public, among friends---and there wasn't some big outrage trying to get the next person fired or trying to get the next group from speaking on a public campus. With the current climate, due to leftists, I'm okay with this. Take a dose of their own medicine and, I guess, let the courts battle it out if it comes to that. That's what our country has become.</quote> So since liberals are doing wrong in your eyes (which is a completely ridiculous notion when your examples are not government related), your solution is to say well they got away with it, so we're going to do it too? All while purporting to be an advocate for free speech? Your mental gymnastics are astounding, Capn. You're literally supporting a public school coercing students into a nationalistic display under threat of removal from the team. What a clown.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/29/17 12:08:54 AM #59:	0AbsoluteZero0 posted... Capn Circus posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Capn Circus posted... We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values. Earlier . . . Capn Circus posted... Good. So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship? Nah, I only said "Good" due to many people on the left's view of free speech, particularly on CE. I hear all the time, "Well technically they can be silenced and fired, the government isn't throwing them in jail" or "The University chose to not invite them so they shouldn't be there" I'm all for free speech, honestly. And 30-40 years ago, people could pretty much say whatever the hell they wanted to. At work, in public, among friends---and there wasn't some big outrage trying to get the next person fired or trying to get the next group from speaking on a public campus. With the current climate, due to leftists, I'm okay with this. Take a dose of their own medicine and, I guess, let the courts battle it out if it comes to that. That's what our country has become. So since liberals are doing wrong in your eyes (which is a completely ridiculous notion when your examples are not government related), your solution is to say well they got away with it, so we're going to do it too? All while purporting to be an advocate for free speech? Your mental gymnastics are astounding, Capn. You're literally supporting a public school coercing students into a nationalistic display under threat of removal from the team. What a clown. Yeah, my examples were government related---the universities received government funding and are public universities. Are all of you leftists suddenly going to come together and say Milo and others should be hosted on a campus that accepts government funding? Other conservative groups to stop being hassled on campus due to the speakers they choose to invite? I doubt it, we see what's going on with that. The only point I'm making is if some of you are outraged by this event or action you should be equally as outraged by other events being silenced and denied. Which, most of you aren't. I can guarantee this topic would be receiving a lot of "Fair, next" if a student decided to bring a confederate flag to hold during the anthem (or something to that degree). And it's beyond this school, take the NFL for example, which isn't funded by the government---Leftists are outraged at the thought any of them should face consequences for kneeling. What happened to "The employer decides your free speech" in those cases? It's not about free speech to many leftists. It's only acceptable if you exercise your "free speech" while holding a particular belief --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:887488170] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>0AbsoluteZero0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values.</quote> Earlier . . . <cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Good. </quote> So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship?</quote> Nah, I only said "Good" due to many people on the left's view of free speech, particularly on CE. I hear all the time, "Well technically they can be silenced and fired, the government isn't throwing them in jail" or "The University chose to not invite them so they shouldn't be there" I'm all for free speech, honestly. And 30-40 years ago, people could pretty much say whatever the hell they wanted to. At work, in public, among friends---and there wasn't some big outrage trying to get the next person fired or trying to get the next group from speaking on a public campus. With the current climate, due to leftists, I'm okay with this. Take a dose of their own medicine and, I guess, let the courts battle it out if it comes to that. That's what our country has become.</quote> So since liberals are doing wrong in your eyes (which is a completely ridiculous notion when your examples are not government related), your solution is to say well they got away with it, so we're going to do it too? All while purporting to be an advocate for free speech? Your mental gymnastics are astounding, Capn. You're literally supporting a public school coercing students into a nationalistic display under threat of removal from the team. What a clown.</quote> Yeah, my examples were government related---the universities received government funding and are public universities. Are all of you leftists suddenly going to come together and say Milo and others should be hosted on a campus that accepts government funding? Other conservative groups to stop being hassled on campus due to the speakers they choose to invite? I doubt it, we see what's going on with that. The only point I'm making is if some of you are outraged by this event or action you should be equally as outraged by other events being silenced and denied. Which, most of you aren't. I can guarantee this topic would be receiving a lot of "Fair, next" if a student decided to bring a confederate flag to hold during the anthem (or something to that degree). And it's beyond this school, take the NFL for example, which isn't funded by the government---Leftists are outraged at the thought any of them should face consequences for kneeling. What happened to "The employer decides your free speech" in those cases? It's not about free speech to many leftists. It's only acceptable if you exercise your "free speech" while holding a particular belief</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DreamwaIker 09/29/17 12:09:12 AM #60:	I just clicked on this topic to see if it was my old high school. It's not. --- "I noticed tonight that the world has been turning while I've been stuck here withering away." Someday I will keep up with time and do better. <cite>DreamwaIker posted [p:887488181] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>I just clicked on this topic to see if it was my old high school. It's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/29/17 1:01:27 AM #61:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette This is absolutely not going to fly in court. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:887490387] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette This is absolutely not going to fly in court.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninjarobot_22 09/29/17 1:04:07 AM #62:	sondast posted... "Hey North Korea, how dare you force people to praise the country! Hey you football players, you better stand for the national anthem or else!" <cite>ninjarobot_22 posted [p:887490480] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>sondast posted...</cite> <quote>"Hey North Korea, how dare you force people to praise the country! Hey you football players, you better stand for the national anthem or else!"</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Synbios459 09/29/17 1:18:57 AM #63:	Good --- ...... <cite>Synbios459 posted [p:887491013] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>Good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 09/29/17 1:29:43 AM #64:	Manocheese posted... Skye Reynolds posted... Good. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:887491435] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>Good.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 09/29/17 2:10:28 AM #65:	Good, kneeling during the national anthem is fucking disrespectful. --- Currently Playing: Resident Evil 6 Mercenaries Mode. <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:887492701] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>Good, kneeling during the national anthem is fucking disrespectful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aristoph 09/29/17 3:26:38 AM #66:	Mr_Karate_II posted... Good, kneeling during the national anthem is fucking disrespectful. I hope you don't go to church, then. Would be horrible if you were to disrespect God in such a way. --- PSN ID: Aristoph http://www.youtube.com/user/SotCRules <cite>Aristoph posted [p:887494805] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Karate_II posted...</cite> <quote>Good, kneeling during the national anthem is fucking disrespectful.</quote> I hope you don't go to church, then. Would be horrible if you were to disrespect God in such a way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 09/29/17 3:54:34 AM #67:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... This hardly seems legal, scotus already ruled on making students recite the pledge, this seems to be along the same lines. It most likely isn't. The NFL teams can fire players for kneeling, but the NFL is a private institution, so any consequences would be private party. As a public school however.... --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:887495527] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>This hardly seems legal, scotus already ruled on making students recite the pledge, this seems to be along the same lines.</quote> It most likely isn't. The NFL teams can fire players for kneeling, but the NFL is a private institution, so any consequences would be private party. As a public school however....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blablablax17 09/29/17 3:59:48 AM #68:	Good topic with some good points. But also keep in mind that Minors basically have no rights. --- Derp <cite>blablablax17 posted [p:887495658] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>Good topic with some good points. But also keep in mind that Minors basically have no rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/29/17 4:22:32 AM #69:	Tough but fair. Students who don't participate in certain activities aren't allowed to participate in other activities all the time. legendary_zell posted... If you defend this, I BETTER not see you talking about defending what the flag stands for, history, law and order, free speech etc. Defending this proves you don't care about any of those values and proves you are what you project liberals to be: a vindictive person who wants to see those with opinions you don't like punished.Even when they are peacefully expressed, and even including children. Given that BLM has rejected free speech and the move rejects American values, they should be okay with having their free speech restricted. If nothing else, it'll teach them to value the flag. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887496224] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>Tough but fair. Students who don't participate in certain activities aren't allowed to participate in other activities all the time. <cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>If you defend this, I BETTER not see you talking about defending what the flag stands for, history, law and order, free speech etc. Defending this proves you don't care about any of those values and proves you are what you project liberals to be: a vindictive person who wants to see those with opinions you don't like punished.Even when they are peacefully expressed, and even including children.</quote> Given that BLM has rejected free speech and the move rejects American values, they should be okay with having their free speech restricted. If nothing else, it'll teach them to value the flag.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpreadManning 09/29/17 4:23:52 AM #70:	Nomadic View posted... Manocheese posted... Skye Reynolds posted... Good. <cite>SpreadManning posted [p:887496258] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Manocheese posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>Good.</quote></quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 09/29/17 4:31:30 AM #71:	Butterfiles posted... lmao it's like a fucking cult high school/college football are actually frighteningly similar to cults --- http://i.imgur.com/5UL2v5u.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:887496413] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Butterfiles posted...</cite> <quote>lmao it's like a fucking cult</quote> high school/college football are actually frighteningly similar to cults</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 4:38:10 AM #72:	Capn Circus posted... The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887496549] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 09/29/17 4:40:15 AM #73:	Mal_Fet posted... Capn Circus posted... The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this. They say this in regards to nazis and bigots. There's a huge difference. This is just like north korea's patriotism. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:887496597] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this.</quote></quote> They say this in regards to nazis and bigots. There's a huge difference. This is just like north korea's patriotism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 4:43:52 AM #74:	LightningAce11 posted... They say this in regards to nazis and bigots. There's a huge difference. No there isn't. LightningAce11 posted... This is just like north korea's patriotism. You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887496663] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>They say this in regards to nazis and bigots. There's a huge difference.</quote> No there isn't. <cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>This is just like north korea's patriotism.</quote> You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 09/29/17 4:45:35 AM #75:	Mal_Fet posted... No there isn't. How do you figure? Most sane people would be for nazis and bigots getting their comeuppance. Mal_Fet posted... You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? Getting kicked off solely because they refuse to stand for the anthem is forced nationalism. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:887496682] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>No there isn't.</quote> How do you figure? Most sane people would be for nazis and bigots getting their comeuppance. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this?</quote> Getting kicked off solely because they refuse to stand for the anthem is forced nationalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/29/17 4:48:25 AM #76:	Mal_Fet posted... You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:887496726] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this?</quote> There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 4:48:43 AM #77:	LightningAce11 posted... How do you figure? Most sane people would be for nazis and bigots getting their comeuppance. You cant support consequences for one type of speech and then cry foul when it happens to you. That's not how the law works, son. LightningAce11 posted... Getting kicked off solely because they refuse to stand for the anthem is forced nationalism. Again, you could get kicked off a football team for saying a ton of things. Like badmouthing the coach, for example. Or would that be "omg forced respect" --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887496730] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? Most sane people would be for nazis and bigots getting their comeuppance.</quote> You cant support consequences for one type of speech and then cry foul when it happens to you. That's not how the law works, son. <cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote> Getting kicked off solely because they refuse to stand for the anthem is forced nationalism.</quote> Again, you could get kicked off a football team for saying a ton of things. Like badmouthing the coach, for example. Or would that be "omg forced respect"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 4:50:21 AM #78:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Mal_Fet posted... You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional. Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887496764] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this?</quote> There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional.</quote> Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 09/29/17 4:51:03 AM #79:	Mal_Fet posted... You cant support consequences for one type of speech and then cry foul when it happens to you. That's not how the law works, son. I mean, one type is objectively bad while this is mixed at worst. Mal_Fet posted... Again, you could get kicked off a football team for saying a ton of things. Like badmouthing the coach, for example. Or would that be "omg forced respect" This is comepletely different from kneeling for the anthem. One is a person and the other is song. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:887496773] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>You cant support consequences for one type of speech and then cry foul when it happens to you. That's not how the law works, son.</quote> I mean, one type is objectively bad while this is mixed at worst. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Again, you could get kicked off a football team for saying a ton of things. Like badmouthing the coach, for example. Or would that be "omg forced respect"</quote> This is comepletely different from kneeling for the anthem. One is a person and the other is song.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 09/29/17 4:54:23 AM #80:	Mal_Fet posted... UnholyMudcrab posted... Mal_Fet posted... You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional. Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:887496835] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this?</quote> There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional.</quote> Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this?</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/29/17 4:55:13 AM #81:	Mal_Fet posted... UnholyMudcrab posted... Mal_Fet posted... You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional. Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this? The school doesn't have the right to compel them to stand for the anthem. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:887496850] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? </quote> There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional.</quote> Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this?</quote> The school doesn't have the right to compel them to stand for the anthem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 4:56:22 AM #82:	LightningAce11 posted... I mean, one type is objectively bad while this is mixed at worst. Free speech isn't tempered on how bad the speech is. That's why it's called free speech. LightningAce11 posted... This is comepletely different from kneeling for the anthem. One is a person and the other is song. Your distinction is irrelevant. It's always been possible to kick kids off a football team for disrespectful behavior. Don't act like it's an injustice all of a sudden when your cause-du-jour becomes part of it. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887496875] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, one type is objectively bad while this is mixed at worst.</quote> Free speech isn't tempered on how bad the speech is. That's why it's called free speech. <cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>This is comepletely different from kneeling for the anthem. One is a person and the other is song.</quote> Your distinction is irrelevant. It's always been possible to kick kids off a football team for disrespectful behavior. Don't act like it's an injustice all of a sudden when your cause-du-jour becomes part of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 4:57:00 AM #83:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Mal_Fet posted... UnholyMudcrab posted... Mal_Fet posted... You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional. Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this? The school doesn't have the right to compel them to stand for the anthem. You're right, but they do have the right to eject kids from their football team. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887496882] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> You can get kicked off a high school football team for a variety of types of speech. Why is it suddenly a problem with this? </quote> There's a problem with this because it's very likely unconstitutional.</quote> Lol. You don't have a right to play on a high school football team. Are you serious with this?</quote> The school doesn't have the right to compel them to stand for the anthem.</quote> You're right, but they do have the right to eject kids from their football team.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/29/17 5:00:57 AM #84:	And when they eject kids from the football team as plan B because compelling them to stand for the anthem didn't work, we run into a problem. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:887496947] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>And when they eject kids from the football team as plan B because compelling them to stand for the anthem didn't work, we run into a problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 09/29/17 5:01:02 AM #85:	Capn Circus posted... Good. The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this. Consequence of following a monarch rule? Respect the crown? Not a liberal. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:887496949] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Good. The same liberals who say "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence" should be behind this.</quote> Consequence of following a monarch rule? Respect the crown? Not a liberal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 09/29/17 5:03:02 AM #86:	Mal_Fet posted... Free speech isn't tempered on how bad the speech is. That's why it's called free speech. Except it isnt bad. Just a cult on some delusion that the only way to love your country is by making a cult or monarch rule that everyone should worship a flag and song. If you dont, some delusion you hate America. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:887496987] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Free speech isn't tempered on how bad the speech is. That's why it's called free speech. </quote> Except it isnt bad. Just a cult on some delusion that the only way to love your country is by making a cult or monarch rule that everyone should worship a flag and song. If you dont, some delusion you hate America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 5:04:13 AM #87:	UnholyMudcrab posted... And when they eject kids from the football team as plan B because compelling them to stand for the anthem didn't work, we run into a problem. No we don't. A school's football team is not the school. You don't have a right to be a part of it. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887497012] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote>And when they eject kids from the football team as plan B because compelling them to stand for the anthem didn't work, we run into a problem.</quote> No we don't. A school's football team is not the school. You don't have a right to be a part of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/29/17 5:07:01 AM #88:	I can already tell this isn't going to lead to anything remotely productive. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:887497060] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>I can already tell this isn't going to lead to anything remotely productive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 09/29/17 5:18:46 AM #89:	UnholyMudcrab posted... I can already tell this isn't going to lead to anything remotely productive. The schools football team is not part of or associated with the school in any way. I don't know what you're not getting about this --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:887497278] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnholyMudcrab posted...</cite> <quote>I can already tell this isn't going to lead to anything remotely productive.</quote> The schools football team is not part of or associated with the school in any way. I don't know what you're not getting about this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 09/29/17 5:19:43 AM #90:	This is fucking fascism. But then, they're kids so of course forcing them to do stuff and trouncing on their freedom of expression is to be expected in k-12. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:887497300] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>This is fucking fascism. But then, they're kids so of course forcing them to do stuff and trouncing on their freedom of expression is to be expected in k-12.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 09/29/17 5:22:34 AM #91:	I'd pull my kid out of the school. Teaching kids they can't exercise rights without persecution is wrong. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:887497352] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>I'd pull my kid out of the school. Teaching kids they can't exercise rights without persecution is wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 5:24:15 AM #92:	gunplagirl posted... This is fucking fascism. But then, they're kids so of course forcing them to do stuff and trouncing on their freedom of expression is to be expected in k-12. I like how you believe it's "fascism" to have a standard of conduct for a high school football team, but not fascism to assault people who say things that offend you. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887497379] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>This is fucking fascism. But then, they're kids so of course forcing them to do stuff and trouncing on their freedom of expression is to be expected in k-12.</quote> I like how you believe it's "fascism" to have a standard of conduct for a high school football team, but not fascism to assault people who say things that offend you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 09/29/17 6:29:11 AM #93:	Mal_Fet posted... gunplagirl posted... This is fucking fascism. But then, they're kids so of course forcing them to do stuff and trouncing on their freedom of expression is to be expected in k-12. I like how you believe it's "fascism" to have a standard of conduct for a high school football team, but not fascism to assault people who say things that offend you. Mal doesn't think people with guns saying they want to kill minorities are at all a threat That's... What's the opposite of adorable? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:887498530] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>This is fucking fascism. But then, they're kids so of course forcing them to do stuff and trouncing on their freedom of expression is to be expected in k-12.</quote> I like how you believe it's "fascism" to have a standard of conduct for a high school football team, but not fascism to assault people who say things that offend you.</quote> Mal doesn't think people with guns saying they want to kill minorities are at all a threat That's... What's the opposite of adorable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 6:34:24 AM #94:	gunplagirl posted... Mal doesn't think people with guns saying they want to kill minorities are at all a threat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg ^ Look how "threatening" those "fascists" are!! --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887498638] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Mal doesn't think people with guns saying they want to kill minorities are at all a threat</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg ^ Look how "threatening" those "fascists" are!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 09/29/17 6:35:47 AM #95:	Such straw man --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:887498665] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>Such straw man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 09/29/17 6:39:43 AM #96:	I'm not entirely sure this would be legal. Prior cases have gone to court over this exact issue and the ruling is generally favored per the first amendment, and Parkway is a public high school, meaning they don't have the luxury of being a private entity in this regard. I'm not sure if there's an exact ruling over this particular scenario (kneeling) but the school (in this case, the state) punishing a student for exercising their first amendment right could easily be ruled unconstitutional. I definitely think it should be, but it's interesting that a lot of free speech advocates in this topic are more concerned with liberals than they are active attempts to suppress the most important aspect of our country. --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:887498738] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>I'm not entirely sure this would be legal. Prior cases have gone to court over this exact issue and the ruling is generally favored per the first amendment, and Parkway is a public high school, meaning they don't have the luxury of being a private entity in this regard. I'm not sure if there's an exact ruling over this particular scenario (kneeling) but the school (in this case, the state) punishing a student for exercising their first amendment right could easily be ruled unconstitutional. I definitely think it should be, but it's interesting that a lot of free speech advocates in this topic are more concerned with liberals than they are active attempts to suppress the most important aspect of our country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 09/29/17 6:42:49 AM #97:	Zero_Destroyer posted... I'm not entirely sure this would be legal. Prior cases have gone to court over this exact issue and the ruling is generally favored per the first amendment, and Parkway is a public high school, meaning they don't have the luxury of being a private entity in this regard. I'm not sure if there's an exact ruling over this particular issue but the school (in this case, the state) punishing a student for exercising their first amendment right could easily be ruled unconstitutional. I definitely think it should be, but it's interesting that a lot of free speech advocates in this topic are more concerned with liberals than they are active attempts to suppress the most important aspect of our country. All of this --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:887498798] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zero_Destroyer posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not entirely sure this would be legal. Prior cases have gone to court over this exact issue and the ruling is generally favored per the first amendment, and Parkway is a public high school, meaning they don't have the luxury of being a private entity in this regard. I'm not sure if there's an exact ruling over this particular issue but the school (in this case, the state) punishing a student for exercising their first amendment right could easily be ruled unconstitutional. I definitely think it should be, but it's interesting that a lot of free speech advocates in this topic are more concerned with liberals than they are active attempts to suppress the most important aspect of our country.</quote> All of this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 09/29/17 6:48:30 AM #98:	The LHSAA left it at the discretion of the individual schools to decide how to handle these so called "protests." So for those of you who have their underwear twisted over this, just know that many schools will allow the kneeling to continue. Ours won't because our football coach, a black man, refuses to let kids disrespect the flag. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:887498906] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote>The LHSAA left it at the discretion of the individual schools to decide how to handle these so called "protests." So for those of you who have their underwear twisted over this, just know that many schools will allow the kneeling to continue. Ours won't because our football coach, a black man, refuses to let kids disrespect the flag.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/29/17 6:50:20 AM #99:	gunplagirl posted... Such straw man I don't think you know what a strawman is. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:887498936] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such straw man</quote> I don't think you know what a strawman is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 09/29/17 6:59:24 AM #100:	Mal_Fet posted... gunplagirl posted... Such straw man I don't think you know what a strawman is. stares at the camera as the definition scrolls by underneath >.> --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:887499109] in Louisiana ... [t:75825090]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Such straw man</quote> I don't think you know what a strawman is.</quote> stares at the camera as the definition scrolls by underneath >.></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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