Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 134: Mars Ain't the Kind of Place to Raise Your Kids

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Jakyl25 posted...

Also all this talk about "illegal sexual deviance..."

There's really only one: non-consensual sex.

Which also covers pedophilia since children cannot legally consent to sex.

But can consent to change their gender as young as before age 5... 0.o
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what the hell is happening here

Oh god to be in Corrik's mind

"Kids shouldn't be taught that trans people exist, but I can see the arguments for public high schools covering sex with corpses."
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Paratroopa1 posted...

what the hell is happening here

Corrik is making a HARD PUSH to replace Ulti as the most hated member of B8.
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also all this talk about "illegal sexual deviance..."

There's really only one: non-consensual sex.

Which also covers pedophilia since children cannot legally consent to sex.

But can consent to change their gender as young as before age 5... 0.o

Those are two very different things
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also all this talk about "illegal sexual deviance..."

There's really only one: non-consensual sex.

Which also covers pedophilia since children cannot legally consent to sex.

But can consent to change their gender as young as before age 5... 0.o

Those are two very different things

It is choosing to do what you want with your body. I am not arguing age of consent should be lowered. I am arguing there is no way in hell I think gender changing should be going on in prepubescent children.
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Corrik posted...

It's not that simple but okay.

It's exactly that simple and that seems to be the problem you're having.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

what the hell is happening here

Corrik is making a HARD PUSH to replace Ulti as the most hated member of B8.

If you aren't a democrat or have liberal thoughts, you are already hated here. Doesn't matter. This board isn't exactly a normal representation of society.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Corrik posted...

It's not that simple but okay.

It's exactly that simple and that seems to be the problem you're having.

It's not in my opinion, but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Good thing this isn't a matter of opinion and thus yours means nothing!

Unless you wanna claim that saying the sky is hot pink is a matter of opinion.
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When things are facts it's kind of hard to have a valid opposing opinion

Now I'm sure you also have opinions on WHY transgenderism occurs. That's not in the realm of fact yet, so it's fair to have a differing opinion

What transgenderism IS, though, is outside that realm
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Here's something really strange. Corrik already acknowledges stupidity en masse exists with his rant about pushy Christians lecturing him

Yet when it comes to issues he agrees with, he doesn't see the notion that his side might be just as bullshit as those pushy Christians
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It quite rightly is your opinion whether you wish to admit it or not. And, I respect your opinions.

Stating how "simply" something is will forever be subjective and thus an opinion. What is simple to some is not as simple to others. That cannot be disputed.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Good thing this isn't a matter of opinion and thus yours means nothing!

Unless you wanna claim that saying the sky is hot pink is a matter of opinion.

http://bossfight.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/boss-fight-free-high-quality-stock-images-photos-photography-lighthouse-pink-sky.jpg
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By your logic Corrik, it will from now on be my "opinion" that you're 12. I hope you'll respect that.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Good thing this isn't a matter of opinion and thus yours means nothing!

Unless you wanna claim that saying the sky is hot pink is a matter of opinion.

http://bossfight.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/boss-fight-free-high-quality-stock-images-photos-photography-lighthouse-pink-sky.jpg

I said HOT PINK, not Pink while Hot!
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Corrik posted...

Stating how "simply" something is will forever be subjective and thus an opinion. What is simple to some is not as simple to others. That cannot be disputed.

Okay so when you say "it's not that simple," you don't mean "there's more to it than that," you mean "your definition is simple to you but I find it complicated?"

Is that right?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Here's something really strange. Corrik already acknowledges stupidity en masse exists with his rant about pushy Christians lecturing him

Yet when it comes to issues he agrees with, he doesn't see the notion that his side might be just as bullshit as those pushy Christians

I think your position more likely parallels a lot of pushy Christian arguments. You are likely in a minority position. You are acting like someone is wrong or a bad person if they do not accept your position. I think the parallels much closer strike home to your position than mine.

I am just like the person who is like heyyy this is my opinion on the matter! And then the group of pushy christians or in this case far left board 8ers gooo noooooo nom nom nom you are wrong and a bad person because your opinion is not what I think! lol

You would think my statement was like that so and so group should be taken out behind the woodshed and shot the way you guys react. Like for realll lol
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LapisLazuli posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Good thing this isn't a matter of opinion and thus yours means nothing!

Unless you wanna claim that saying the sky is hot pink is a matter of opinion.

http://bossfight.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/boss-fight-free-high-quality-stock-images-photos-photography-lighthouse-pink-sky.jpg

I said HOT PINK, not Pink while Hot!

It may be hot, but how many y/o???
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Stating how "simply" something is will forever be subjective and thus an opinion. What is simple to some is not as simple to others. That cannot be disputed.

Okay so when you say "it's not that simple," you don't mean "there's more to it than that," you mean "your definition is simple to you but I find it complicated?"

Is that right?

I believe the issue of transgender and why or how it happens is not as simple as "I was born a way but feel like the opposite sex". I believe there is more to it than that.
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LapisLazuli posted...

By your logic Corrik, it will from now on be my "opinion" that you're 12. I hope you'll respect that.

LapisLazuli posted...

By your logic Corrik, it will from now on be my "opinion" that you're 12. I hope you'll respect that.

Your opinion can be that I act like I am 12, yes.
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Corrik posted...

I am just like the person who is like heyyy this is my opinion on the matter! And then the group of pushy christians or in this case far left board 8ers gooo noooooo nom nom nom you are wrong and a bad person because your opinion is not what I think! lol

Do you think all opinions are equally valid?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I am just like the person who is like heyyy this is my opinion on the matter! And then the group of pushy christians or in this case far left board 8ers gooo noooooo nom nom nom you are wrong and a bad person because your opinion is not what I think! lol

Do you think all opinions are equally valid?

I think all opinions are equally valid to make, but that some opinions are able to reasonably be discarded.
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Naw, it's my opinion that you are actually 12, which is exactly as viable an opinion as what you claim your opinion is.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Naw, it's my opinion that you are actually 12, which is exactly as viable an opinion as what you claim your opinion is.

Okay.
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You know something, Corrik? I'm genetically male, yet I was always someone who identified with females. I liked dressing up in women's clothes and when I played make-believe with my step-brother, I liked being the female characters (strong female characters, none of that princess bullshit.) And obviously, my GameFAQs experience is defined by me taking on a female persona for over a decade. But throughout my life, I always felt different and was made to feel like an outsider for those differences. I grew up in an era when "gay" or "***" were common insults, specifically directed at guys who weren't "manly." I think I would've grown up a lot more mentally and emotionally stable had I been taught from a young age that there wasn't anything wrong with me being the way I was naturally born.
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Corrik posted...

I believe the issue of transgender and why or how it happens is not as simple as "I was born a way but feel like the opposite sex". I believe there is more to it than that.

Well of course why and how are more complicated, for any subject, than "here's what this is."

All we're advocating teaching kids is "here's what this is" with a side dose of "and that's just fine."
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And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?
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Inviso posted...

You know something, Corrik? I'm genetically male, yet I was always someone who identified with females. I liked dressing up in women's clothes and when I played make-believe with my step-brother, I liked being the female characters (strong female characters, none of that princess bullshit.) And obviously, my GameFAQs experience is defined by me taking on a female persona for over a decade. But throughout my life, I always felt different and was made to feel like an outsider for those differences. I grew up in an era when "gay" or "***" were common insults, specifically directed at guys who weren't "manly." I think I would've grown up a lot more mentally and emotionally stable had I been taught from a young age that there wasn't anything wrong with me being the way I was naturally born.

I see nothing wrong with being taught to be yourself. I don't think your parents should undergo gender change on you at a young age before you are able to fully comprehend the choices behind making such a change and make sure that is actually really what you wanted?

No one here is saying you are a bad person or should have been treated bad.

I think above all you wanted to be treated just like everyone else for how you wished to express yourself. And, that is accomplished by teaching to show compassion to all no matter what the differences that may exist in race, religion, deformity, mental capacity, personality, etc.

I am sure you just as much as wanted to be accepted for who you were that you also did not want to be singled out as someone to specifically be treated a way because of how you were either. I would assume you just wanted to be treated like everyone else as if just one of the group.
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Jakyl25 posted...

And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?

Could cause confusion in a child's mind.
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Corrik posted...

You would think my statement was like that so and so group should be taken out behind the woodshed and shot the way you guys react. Like for realll lol

I'm pretty sure no one would be talking to you if that were the case. I sure wouldn't.
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Corrik posted...

And, that is accomplished by teaching to show compassion to all no matter what the differences that may exist in race, religion, deformity, mental capacity, personality, etc.

... but this is exactly what you've been against for the last 7 pages - you don't think kids should be taught that transgender people exist and are just like anybody else
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?

Could cause confusion in a child's mind.

That's it

That's what all the fuss is about

We must shelter children from confusion???
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?

Could cause confusion in a child's mind.

Is it any more confusing than anything else we expect children to learn?

Hell, is it more confusing than expecting children to just kind of figure out on their own that their parents and all of society was lying to them about a magical man at the north pole giving them presents?
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Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?

Could cause confusion in a child's mind.

Is it any more confusing than anything else we expect children to learn?

Hell, is it more confusing than expecting children to just kind of figure out on their own that their parents and all of society was lying to them about a magical man at the north pole giving them presents?

Yeah I think it is more confusing. Lol
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"It's confusing"?

THAT'S WHAT EDUCATION IS FOR.
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Corrik, you are a straight, white guy. You have never lived in a time or place in history where you were outside the "normal". It's very easy to say "well we should teach people to be accepting of everyone" when you're not at risk of every being the outsider. People gravitate towards like personalities. People gravitate towards similar-looking people. When you STILL have people like you, who call homosexuality and transgenderism abnormal and unnatural, how can you NOT see that homosexuals and transgender individuals face the consequences of that attitude? Kids in school look for any reason to single out one of their classmates, but if you normalize homosexuality/transgenderism and teach kids "Hey, there's nothing wrong with this...it's completely natural" then you create an atmosphere of acceptance for the kids who are actually at risk of exclusion.
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Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?

Could cause confusion in a child's mind.

Is it any more confusing than anything else we expect children to learn?

Hell, is it more confusing than expecting children to just kind of figure out on their own that their parents and all of society was lying to them about a magical man at the north pole giving them presents?

Yeah I think it is more confusing. Lol

It seems pretty simple to everyone else. It's clearly less confusing than the Santa myth undermining kids belief in everything they're taught!
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Corrik posted...

Yeah I think it is more confusing. Lol

Well obviously YOU think it's more confusing, you've admited you don't fucking get it at all!

Don't punish children for YOUR inadequacies!
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Is that what this has boiled down to? Corrik doesn't understand it and he's afraid of children learning things he doesn't know? Is this his ego trip??
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Corrik posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

And you've still never answered my question

What are you concerned will happen if you teach a kid that trans people exist and the kid can't fully grasp it?

Could cause confusion in a child's mind.

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Inviso posted...

Corrik, you are a straight, white guy. You have never lived in a time or place in history where you were outside the "normal". It's very easy to say "well we should teach people to be accepting of everyone" when you're not at risk of every being the outsider. People gravitate towards like personalities. People gravitate towards similar-looking people. When you STILL have people like you, who call homosexuality and transgenderism abnormal and unnatural, how can you NOT see that homosexuals and transgender individuals face the consequences of that attitude? Kids in school look for any reason to single out one of their classmates, but if you normalize homosexuality/transgenderism and teach kids "Hey, there's nothing wrong with this...it's completely natural" then you create an atmosphere of acceptance for the kids who are actually at risk of exclusion.

I do not believe it actually is normal or natural, however. And, I think that is on line with lying or misleading, which I assume the other dude is going with the idea that lying or misleading in this case is okay for the end means or something.

I think that is a serious issue which can affect the rest of a persons life, and it should be treated seriously.

I do not think we should be saying something along those lines is natural and normal when I feel they aren't. I feel we should be teaching someone to not judge people at all for thei differences.

Everyone no matter the difference has a worth in life and something they bring to the table and should be treated with respect until they have done something to show they do not deserve that. Having an abormal lifestyle or sexual life should have no bearing at all on that. And, singling out respective differences, lifestyle, and so on is something I do not think should be done. People should be taught to respect because everyone deserves it. Not taught to respect someone because they fall into this subset.

It doesn't matter why you are transgender. It or anything else. When someone sees you, they should be taught to just see another person. No different than the rest. There are thousands of oddities or abnormalities that people have or take a shape in their life. That shouldn't change how you are treated as a person.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Corrik posted...

Yeah I think it is more confusing. Lol

Well obviously YOU think it's more confusing, you've admited you don't fucking get it at all!

Don't punish children for YOUR inadequacies!

I feel safe to say my stance is quite rightly where I want it and that my child won't feel "punished".
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Corrik posted...

I do not believe it actually is normal or natural

Yes, we know you're a piece of shit, no need to keep repeating it.
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Corrik posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Corrik posted...

Yeah I think it is more confusing. Lol

Well obviously YOU think it's more confusing, you've admited you don't fucking get it at all!

Don't punish children for YOUR inadequacies!

I feel safe to say my stance is quite rightly where I want it and that my child won't feel "punished".

Can I ask specifically what age do you think they should/could be taught about homosexuality and transgender people?

What happens if you're in public, and they see two men holding hands and ask about it? What will you say?
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Yeah, don't teach kids, who might be dealing with the hardship of living life in fear of cowardly assholes like you, that there's nothing wrong with them the way they are. Your mindset is utterly disgusting and it has nothing to do with "difference of opinion". It has to do with you thinking entire swaths of people are unnatural freaks of nature, people who already deal with a lot of bias and prejudice every day of their life. YOU are disgusting.
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Corrik posted...

No different than the rest. There are thousands of oddities or abnormalities that people have or take a shape in their life.

So basically literally no one is normal

Congratulations you've made the word worthless
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I know this is uncalled for and I doubt I'll have many join in, but I want to put forth the possibily of a pact to agree en masse to put Corrik on ignore. He's proven he has nothing of value to contribute to....anything.
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Corrik posted...

I do not think we should be saying something along those lines is natural and normal when I feel they aren't. I feel we should be teaching someone to not judge people at all for thei differences.

Don't judge people for their differences

But do declare they are unnatural and abnormal because you personally define those terms a certain way, and make sure that schools don't go acknowledging the existence of these people until an older age than the people themselves are already aware of their naturally occurring feelings.

You do realize you can't just dictate people's thoughts to them, right? Whether you think it's natural or not is irrelevant; the people who actually *are* gay (or transgender) feel a certain way without any real control over it. It arose naturally for them. To suggest otherwise is essentially saying that gay and transgender people are incapable of recognizing their own first hand experiences as well as you can at second hand, which is basically calling them emotionally defective. Which is clearly the kind of judgment you don't approve of. How do you reconcile your beliefs about acceptance with your refusal to accept what these people actually tell you about their lives?
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LapisLazuli posted...

I know this is uncalled for ans I doubt I'll have many join in, but I want to put forth the possibily of a pact to agree en masse to put Corrik on ignore. He's proven he has nothing of value to contribute to....anything.

Can't do it yourself? Lol
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