Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 133: Easy D's Democratic Dalliance

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Jakyl25
09/16/17 3:39:15 PM
#77:


Corrik posted...
The argument is that the sex you are born as is incontrovertibly your actual gender whether you choose to undergo changes or so on of the contrary.


Also again, this isn't an "argument." This is literally a false statement.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 3:40:02 PM
#78:


Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
However, I do believe you SHOULD use the restroom of your own sex


Why? This argument has never made any sense without an injection of transphobia.

Because I believe it is a biological fact that you are indeed the sex you were born as.


No but why should that apply to bathrooms?
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kevwaffles
09/16/17 3:41:43 PM
#79:


Corrik you would literally be better off arguing that ESPN is lying.
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Corrik
09/16/17 3:42:36 PM
#80:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
However, I do believe you SHOULD use the restroom of your own sex


Why? This argument has never made any sense without an injection of transphobia.

Because I believe it is a biological fact that you are indeed the sex you were born as.


No but why should that apply to bathrooms?

Because bathrooms have literal indications for which they are referring to.

If they make a law saying tomorrow you can use whatever you want, then so be it. Not a big deal to me. Doesn't mean I won't feel that law doesn't make sense though.
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StealThisSheen
09/16/17 3:43:07 PM
#81:


Corrik posted...
Again. What was he warned for. Can you produce these "warnings"? You have said... googling isn't hard. Then google them up, dude. Your words not mine. I want to know what he was warned for. Not asking for a lot here.


Gonna give you one more try, here:

He was warned for the same thing he was suspended for, offensive political comments/ramblings. If you want news articles on the INDIVIDUAL warnings, that's not going to happen, because ESPN didn't choose to go to the news and say "We warned Curt Schilling not to do this and he did it." There is proof of ESPN saying he had been warned prior to the suspension/firing, and there is proof of a memo they sent out on it. If you want individual, specific examples or else you're going to argue it didn't happen... That's stupid.
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Corrik
09/16/17 3:43:11 PM
#82:


kevwaffles posted...
Corrik you would literally be better off arguing that ESPN is lying.

I am not arguing anything. I want to know what posts he was warned over supposedly and compare them in content to what she and Kornheiser only deserved warnings over.
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StealThisSheen
09/16/17 3:48:54 PM
#83:


I said Google is easy because it's easy to Google and see when ESPN stated they gave him past warnings.

I didn't know you were gonna go "I need specific examples or it didn't happen" because that's not shit private companies typically make public
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 3:49:25 PM
#84:


Like, you are literally arguing that this person should use the men's room
https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/audry.jpg?w=450

and this person should use the women's room
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/survivor/images/7/7e/S33-zeke-smith.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/234?cb=20160817172046

It makes sense because bathrooms have nothing to do with sex. They have everything to do with gender in our society
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Corrik
09/16/17 3:52:19 PM
#85:


Jakyl25 posted...
Like, you are literally arguing that this person should use the men's room
https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/audry.jpg?w=450

and this person should use the women's room
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/survivor/images/7/7e/S33-zeke-smith.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/234?cb=20160817172046

It makes sense because bathrooms have nothing to do with sex. They have everything to do with gender in our society

I believe if they wish to have special rules for transgender people that they should have a third unisex bathroom as an option that can be used by anyone. But, that costs money so you know it will never happen probably.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 3:53:08 PM
#86:


On a side note, I feel like there's a lot more evidence that Trump is a white supremacist, or at the very least sympathetic to them, than there is that Obama was the worst President
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 3:54:00 PM
#87:


Corrik posted...
I believe if they wish to have special rules for transgender people that they should have a third unisex bathroom as an option that can be used by anyone. But, that costs money so you know it will never happen probably.


So let them use the bathrooms they want. If that scares you, that's YOUR problem
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Corrik
09/16/17 3:56:10 PM
#88:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
I believe if they wish to have special rules for transgender people that they should have a third unisex bathroom as an option that can be used by anyone. But, that costs money so you know it will never happen probably.


So let them use the bathrooms they want. If that scares you, that's YOUR problem

When you wish to make a choice such as that which against goes against your biological nature and the rules of society, it should be a responsibility YOU choose to undertake with that decision. Not everyone else.
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Kenri
09/16/17 3:56:46 PM
#89:


Corrik posted...
I believe if they wish to have special rules for transgender people that they should have a third unisex bathroom as an option that can be used by anyone. But, that costs money so you know it will never happen probably.

they could just make all bathrooms unisex, that would save a lot of money
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StealThisSheen
09/16/17 3:57:23 PM
#90:


For the record, Schilling and Keith Law got into a fairly aggressive argument on twitter over evolution. Schilling only received a warning, Law was suspended... Because he had received warnings before.

Funny how that works!
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 3:58:13 PM
#91:


Corrik posted...
When you wish to make a choice such as that which against goes against your biological nature and the rules of society, it should be a responsibility YOU choose to undertake with that decision. Not everyone else.


It's
Not
A
Choice
To
Be
Transgender

Please stop being factually incorrect
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Corrik
09/16/17 4:02:46 PM
#92:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik posted...
When you wish to make a choice such as that which against goes against your biological nature and the rules of society, it should be a responsibility YOU choose to undertake with that decision. Not everyone else.


It's
Not
A
Choice
To
Be
Transgender

Please stop being factually incorrect

It is. I don't see doctors pulling out babies and going oh my congrats youn have a trans-girl here!

I do believe that people are born with genetics that makes them more predisposed to making a decision like that or to find happiness in that. However, actually no... i am not going there right now...
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Corrik
09/16/17 4:04:16 PM
#93:


Kenri posted...
Corrik posted...
I believe if they wish to have special rules for transgender people that they should have a third unisex bathroom as an option that can be used by anyone. But, that costs money so you know it will never happen probably.

they could just make all bathrooms unisex, that would save a lot of money

And it may be a better solution all together. Or could just have adult unisex and family unisex for children/parents. Many places family friendly alrdy have family bathrooms in addition to the other 2.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:05:22 PM
#94:


Babies don't even have a concept of the self, let alone a gender identity.

I'm sorry you can't accept reality and that it scares and confuses you that our concept of gender is entirely a human construct.
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NFUN
09/16/17 4:06:43 PM
#95:


why the fuck are you still arguing with corrik?
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:08:12 PM
#96:


Also I would appreciate some backup and/or criticism because I am sure as hell not the authority on trans issues and after Lopen's attempted gaslighting in the other topic I'm worried I'm the one that's out of line.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:09:07 PM
#97:


NFUN posted...
why the fuck are you still arguing with corrik?


I don't want anyone to think trans-ignorance or transphobia can fly here. Silence = complicit.
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Corrik
09/16/17 4:10:41 PM
#98:


Jakyl25 posted...
Babies don't even have a concept of the self, let alone a gender identity.

I'm sorry you can't accept reality and that it scares and confuses you that our concept of gender is entirely a human construct.

Your gender is your sex. You can argue all day supposedly scientific evidence exists flr so and so yet deny biological proof in anatomy before you.

You can tell me you identify as a frog or whatever you want to. It does not change you are actually what you were born.

If you are a guy and wish to be treated as a girl, I will treat you as one. But, you are undeniably still a man and must heed to the laws and rules regarding one.
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FFDragon
09/16/17 4:16:23 PM
#99:


I am also not an authority on trans issues, but I know (in Maryland at least) that they can get updated birth certificates reflecting their new gender.

Which... at that point, shouldn't the laws and rules they follow be the one on their birth certificate?
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:16:43 PM
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kevwaffles
09/16/17 4:17:29 PM
#101:


Sex and gender have always had different technical meanings. That's not something that just happened with transgender rights becoming popularized.
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LapisLazuli
09/16/17 4:18:02 PM
#102:


Is Corrik looking more or less stupid than he did in the topic last week?
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:18:31 PM
#103:


Corrik posted...
Your gender is your sex.


No, it's not. The two words are related but not synonymous.

If you want to go tell all the other cultures with different and more numerous genders than us that they're wrong, be my guest.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:20:01 PM
#104:


kevwaffles posted...
Sex and gender have always had different technical meanings. That's not something that just happened with transgender rights becoming popularized.

But what if Corrik really really believes differently?
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:21:28 PM
#105:


It kinda reminds me of those people who would argue against gay rights with "you don't see other animals being gay!"
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:25:55 PM
#106:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ3ySiSUEAAC427.jpg:large

This is the pro-Trump rally scheduled at the same time as the Juggalo March

You might have to squint
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Not_an_Owl
09/16/17 4:28:21 PM
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:43:50 PM
#108:


Just for the topic, from that last link:

This was far from the first time Schilling crossed a line at ESPN. Two months ago, he said Hillary Clinton “should be buried under a jail somewhere.” Three months ago, Schilling joked about being fired from ESPN for his donation to Ben Carson. Seven months ago, ESPN had nothing to say about Schilling posting insane memes on Facebook. Eight months ago, Schilling tweeted a meme comparing Muslims and Nazis, and was suspended for it. Shortly after that, he emailed a long, strange rant to a blogger to clarify his thoughts about Muslims and Nazis, and was suspended for the rest of the season.

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Jakyl25
09/16/17 4:49:03 PM
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StealThisSheen
09/16/17 5:04:50 PM
#110:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Are you seeing the pattern here? The offense that got Schilling fired was very, very far from the first.


This is basically what I was getting at. If there's that much that he DID get punished for, and he was getting warned/they were sending out memos before it even got brought to attention by the media...
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 5:05:02 PM
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Reg
09/16/17 5:08:56 PM
#112:


StealThisSheen posted...
He is no longer arguing in good faith.

Holy shit dude welcome to like four months ago
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TheRock1525
09/16/17 5:10:15 PM
#113:


Wait Juggalos are classified as a gang?
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BowserCuffs
09/16/17 5:13:36 PM
#114:


I think Corrik's gone from shifting the goalposts to pretending they don't exist.
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Suprak the Stud
09/16/17 5:23:07 PM
#115:


Jakyl25 posted...
Speaking of trans people

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/16/politics/pentagon-transgender-re-enlistment/index.html

This is good, for now


I feel like I say this every topic.

But Mattis is top tier.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 5:25:53 PM
#116:


TheRock1525 posted...
Wait Juggalos are classified as a gang?


Yeah that's the whole point of the march

It's not right
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 5:26:26 PM
#117:


In the interest of fairness, some "awesome" shirts from the competing Trump rally

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ29uFKU8AAHJ-i?format=jpg&name=large
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Not_an_Owl
09/16/17 5:30:35 PM
#118:


Jakyl25 posted...
In the interest of fairness, some "awesome" shirts from the competing Trump rally

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ29uFKU8AAHJ-i?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuDx6_PLIVk

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LapisLazuli
09/16/17 5:31:03 PM
#119:


Pretty sure Corrik thinks the only reason sex and gender are two different words is because people are too prudish to say sex in front of children.

Like, gender:sex as dang:damn

Would not surprise me.
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BowserCuffs
09/16/17 5:39:20 PM
#120:


Jakyl25 posted...
In the interest of fairness, some "awesome" shirts from the competing Trump rally

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJ29uFKU8AAHJ-i?format=jpg&name=large


Why does that guy have the Celtic cross on his shirt?

I have a feeling I already know the answer to this but I don't want to answer my own question
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 5:40:14 PM
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TheRock1525
09/16/17 5:47:33 PM
#122:


Just got an alert that now Trump won't be pulling out of the Paris Agreement.
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LordoftheMorons
09/16/17 5:49:44 PM
#123:


TheRock1525 posted...
Just got an alert that now Trump won't be pulling out of the Paris Agreement.

The WH has since denied it. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean anything either.
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Jakyl25
09/16/17 5:51:50 PM
#124:


Someone must have told him Obama would have pulled out
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Corrik
09/16/17 9:14:45 PM
#125:


Jakyl25 posted...
It kinda reminds me of those people who would argue against gay rights with "you don't see other animals being gay!"

What you do in the bedroom should not matter as it does not affect anyone else. It is only when you begin to affect someone else that it does matter. It is an alternative lifestyle. It is biologically not the lifestyle you are supposed to have, but as long as it does not affect others, that shouldn't matter.
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Kenri
09/16/17 9:17:03 PM
#126:


weird because the ones "affecting someone else" in this scenario are the people making the shitty anti-trans laws but you don't seem to have an issue with them

*thinking emoji*
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