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08/09/17 4:03:49 PM
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/40875324

Every country now has to start furiosuly training Starcraft players.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 4:04:53 PM
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I'm an esports fan and i dabble in multiple scenes, but I'd really dislike the Olympics to get involved right now. Perhaps in the future, but the scene is still too young imo.
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Regaro
08/09/17 4:07:57 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
I'm an esports fan and i dabble in multiple scenes, but I'd really dislike the Olympics to get involved right now. Perhaps in the future, but the scene is still too young imo.

^

By the time they make a decision and get something in, at least half of the current games will be irrelevant too.
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08/09/17 4:08:05 PM
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Finally Wave Race 64 in primetime.
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Xeybozn
08/09/17 4:12:11 PM
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Why would the Olympics add esports when there's still so many actual sports they could add instead?
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08/09/17 4:13:14 PM
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Xeybozn posted...
Why would the Olympics add esports when there's still so many actual sports they could add instead?


because there's more money and ratings in esports than many of the actual sports not already represented
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08/09/17 4:36:31 PM
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Do they even have Skateboarding and things at the Olympics yet? Cus I've yet to see it, and that's what I assumed this topic was about, not fucking starcraft. Albeit it's so popular due to twitch and things I g
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 4:37:46 PM
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How the fuck is skateboarding an esport
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MZero11
08/09/17 4:39:34 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
How the fuck is skateboarding an esport


extreme sport
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swordz9
08/09/17 4:40:25 PM
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Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....
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Hardcore_Adult
08/09/17 4:43:55 PM
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Fuck it.

Why not just put Sarcastaball in the Olympics?!
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KanzarisKelshen
08/09/17 4:45:31 PM
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swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.
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08/09/17 4:46:50 PM
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By 2028 the VR scene could be mad cool.

BBC comments section for this is funny,
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08/09/17 4:47:41 PM
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MZero11 posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
How the fuck is skateboarding an esport


extreme sport

That's not what esports means.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 4:48:21 PM
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MZero11 posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
How the fuck is skateboarding an esport


extreme sport

Hahaha
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Regaro
08/09/17 4:49:09 PM
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
Fuck it.

Why not just put Sarcastaball in the Olympics?!

Does that pull in hundreds of thousands of viewers?

From a purely economic perspective, I can actually understand why this is being considered.
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swordz9
08/09/17 4:53:59 PM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.

The video game part is almost nothing physical whatsoever. I think people would kind of feel the medals lost all value if they start awarding them to people sitting in a chair playing video games. The others at least have to intensely train their bodies. You can be 600 pounds and be a pro gamer
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Emeraldegg
08/09/17 4:54:07 PM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.

I would argue that "sports" such as football, basketball, tennis, etc, all require both physical and mental exertion, while esports involves just mental exertion.
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08/09/17 4:56:36 PM
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I won a gold medal (in Rocket League) with a broken freakin' neck!
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kevwaffles
08/09/17 4:56:52 PM
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And if just mental exertion were good enough for the Olympics, chess should have been in since the beginning.
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Xeybozn
08/09/17 4:57:44 PM
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Regaro posted...
Hardcore_Adult posted...
Fuck it.

Why not just put Sarcastaball in the Olympics?!

Does that pull in hundreds of thousands of viewers?

From a purely economic perspective, I can actually understand why this is being considered.

If they're just adding anything that draws lots of viewers, they should add American football. It wouldn't be too interesting to watch the US stomp everyone, but at least it's actually a sport.
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MenuWars
08/09/17 4:57:45 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
MZero11 posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
How the fuck is skateboarding an esport


extreme sport

Hahaha


This is what I meant though, funny or not. It made more sense to me than including Starcraft tournaments.
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charmander6000
08/09/17 4:57:49 PM
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Skateboarding will take place at the 2020 Olympics as one of the host sports (along with Baseball/Softball, Karate, Sport Climbing and Surfing), basically they are only guaranteed for those Olympics.
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MenuWars
08/09/17 4:58:57 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
Skateboarding will take place at the 2020 Olympics as one of the host sports (along with Baseball/Softball, Karate, Sport Climbing and Surfing), basically they are only guaranteed for only those Olympics.


Ah, okay cool.
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Hardcore_Adult
08/09/17 4:58:58 PM
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Xeybozn posted...
Regaro posted...
Hardcore_Adult posted...
Fuck it.

Why not just put Sarcastaball in the Olympics?!

Does that pull in hundreds of thousands of viewers?

From a purely economic perspective, I can actually understand why this is being considered.

If they're just adding anything that draws lots of viewers, they should add American football. It wouldn't be too interesting to watch the US stomp everyone at a sport only THEY really care about, but at least it's actually a sport.

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kevwaffles
08/09/17 5:00:32 PM
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Hardcore_Adult posted...
Xeybozn posted...
Regaro posted...
Hardcore_Adult posted...
Fuck it.

Why not just put Sarcastaball in the Olympics?!

Does that pull in hundreds of thousands of viewers?

From a purely economic perspective, I can actually understand why this is being considered.

If they're just adding anything that draws lots of viewers, they should add American football. It wouldn't be too interesting to watch the US stomp everyone at a sport only THEY really care about, but at least it's actually a sport.

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charmander6000
08/09/17 5:02:52 PM
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They have shooting at the Olympics and I don't see it being any more athletic than eSports.

The real reason why eSports won't be at the Olympics is because it is only popular in a few countries and it isn't a global sport.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 5:04:39 PM
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Xeybozn posted...
Regaro posted...
Hardcore_Adult posted...
Fuck it.

Why not just put Sarcastaball in the Olympics?!

Does that pull in hundreds of thousands of viewers?

From a purely economic perspective, I can actually understand why this is being considered.

If they're just adding anything that draws lots of viewers, they should add American football. It wouldn't be too interesting to watch the US stomp everyone, but at least it's actually a sport.

Esports has much more international interest overall and has the benefit of being internationally competitive.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 5:06:40 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
They have shooting at the Olympics and I don't see it being any more athletic than eSports.

The real reason why eSports won't be at the Olympics is because it is only popular in a few countries and it isn't a global sport.


Two things - one, don't capitalize the s; two, league and dota have competitive teams even in Brazil, Turkey, Ukraine, Taiwan, and Spain. It's not just like it's the USA, South Korea, and China.
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KamikazePotato
08/09/17 5:11:12 PM
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Emeraldegg posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.

I would argue that "sports" such as football, basketball, tennis, etc, all require both physical and mental exertion, while esports involves just mental exertion.

esports require a decent amount of physical exertion (there's a reason that competitive Melee players are slowly destroying their hands over time), and more importantly, a very large amount of physical finesse, which is more important than exhaustion when you look at what events the Olympics typically has.

Not sure amount it being in the Olympics though. It's still pretty young and I'd like to see certain games codified as esport standards first (LoL is close).
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charmander6000
08/09/17 5:14:40 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
charmander6000 posted...
They have shooting at the Olympics and I don't see it being any more athletic than eSports.

The real reason why eSports won't be at the Olympics is because it is only popular in a few countries and it isn't a global sport.


Two things - one, don't capitalize the s; two, league and dota have competitive teams even in Brazil, Turkey, Ukraine, Taiwan, and Spain. It's not just like it's the USA, South Korea, and China.


I see it spelt eSports in a lot of places. DOTA 2 is a bit of an exception...
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 5:16:49 PM
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They're wrong.
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charmander6000
08/09/17 5:22:24 PM
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Well I suggest you to take it up with the International e-Sports Federation

http://www.ie-sf.org/
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Reg
08/09/17 5:22:55 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
I see it spelt eSports in a lot of places. DOTA 2 is a bit of an exception...

DotA 2 might not even be in the top 2 esports by viewership in the West at the moment...

I don't have the numbers offhand, but I think it's League of Legends then Counterstrike.

I also don't know what numbers coming out of China are legit, which is why I specify the Western world.

So calling dota an exception is somewhat wrong I think.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 5:24:07 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
Well I suggest you to take it up with the International e-Sports Federation

http://www.ie-sf.org/

Uhhhh you know that they spell it esports right on the home page, right
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charmander6000
08/09/17 5:25:27 PM
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Peace___Frog posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Well I suggest you to take it up with the International e-Sports Federation

http://www.ie-sf.org/

Uhhhh you know that they spell it esports right on the home page, right


It literally says "International e-Sports Federation" on the top right
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KanzarisKelshen
08/09/17 5:27:31 PM
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swordz9 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.

The video game part is almost nothing physical whatsoever. I think people would kind of feel the medals lost all value if they start awarding them to people sitting in a chair playing video games. The others at least have to intensely train their bodies. You can be 600 pounds and be a pro gamer


You actually kind of can't. Pro League of Legends and Starcraft players follow exercise regimens because you need to maintain your body in top condition to play, same for fighting games. Reflexes, rapid execution of motions, broad-spectrum vision...these are all needed characteristics to thrive in ESports. You know the term APM, Actions Per Minute, right? That's fundamentally not a mental metric. It's literally how many actions you can queue physically during any given minute of a match. There's a physical requirement to keep up the pace until the match is over or you just get rolled.
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charmander6000
08/09/17 5:28:37 PM
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Reg posted...
charmander6000 posted...
I see it spelt eSports in a lot of places. DOTA 2 is a bit of an exception...

DotA 2 might not even be in the top 2 esports by viewership in the West at the moment...

I don't have the numbers offhand, but I think it's League of Legends then Counterstrike.

I also don't know what numbers coming out of China are legit, which is why I specify the Western world.

So calling dota an exception is somewhat wrong I think.


I'm going by number of countries listed at esportsearnings.com

League and Counterstrike would also make the shortlist
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 5:36:19 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Well I suggest you to take it up with the International e-Sports Federation

http://www.ie-sf.org/

Uhhhh you know that they spell it esports right on the home page, right


It literally says "International e-Sports Federation" on the top right

then they're internally inconsistent and are not any sort of authority that should be referenced
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imthestuntman
08/09/17 5:38:46 PM
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Video games are just so fundamentally different from actual sports that attempts to compare them to actual atheltic endeavors are laughable at best.

Lets all stop pretending that they are the same, because they arent. And realistically there is nofirm argument that someone isnt going to nit pick holes in that will show it. But at the end of the day video games simply dont pass the eye test. Meaning, no person could ever see a bunch of people sitting around playing video games and mistake it for an Athletic Competition. And that is a hurdle video games in their current state will never be able to get over.

Ive seen the arguments for and against video games as an athletic endeavor to know its not one worth having. There is simply a disconnect between most peoples definition of sports, and "esports" proponents' definition. And no matter how much the latter group tries to bend video games into the box that is the first groups definition, they fall miserably short.
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08/09/17 5:39:41 PM
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Didn't the Olympics use to have art competitions? I don't think allowing esports (or e-sports) is that upsetting to the ststus quo.
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swordz9
08/09/17 5:46:32 PM
#42:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.

The video game part is almost nothing physical whatsoever. I think people would kind of feel the medals lost all value if they start awarding them to people sitting in a chair playing video games. The others at least have to intensely train their bodies. You can be 600 pounds and be a pro gamer


You actually kind of can't. Pro League of Legends and Starcraft players follow exercise regimens because you need to maintain your body in top condition to play, same for fighting games. Reflexes, rapid execution of motions, broad-spectrum vision...these are all needed characteristics to thrive in ESports. You know the term APM, Actions Per Minute, right? That's fundamentally not a mental metric. It's literally how many actions you can queue physically during any given minute of a match. There's a physical requirement to keep up the pace until the match is over or you just get rolled.

There's still a colossal difference between the guy aiming to be the best Olympic swimmer and the guy who can work the keyboard and mouse fastest. I don't care about the Olympics or esports, but I think they should stay divided. "I won an Olympic gold medal at age 16 playing League of Legends (will be something different by then)" is just all kinds of odd.
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KanzarisKelshen
08/09/17 5:50:26 PM
#43:


swordz9 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
swordz9 posted...
Wha why? The Olympics should be for actual athletes....


How do you define athleticism without including mental exertion? It's kind of a big deal to know what move to make in every sport.

The video game part is almost nothing physical whatsoever. I think people would kind of feel the medals lost all value if they start awarding them to people sitting in a chair playing video games. The others at least have to intensely train their bodies. You can be 600 pounds and be a pro gamer


You actually kind of can't. Pro League of Legends and Starcraft players follow exercise regimens because you need to maintain your body in top condition to play, same for fighting games. Reflexes, rapid execution of motions, broad-spectrum vision...these are all needed characteristics to thrive in ESports. You know the term APM, Actions Per Minute, right? That's fundamentally not a mental metric. It's literally how many actions you can queue physically during any given minute of a match. There's a physical requirement to keep up the pace until the match is over or you just get rolled.

There's still a colossal difference between the guy aiming to be the best Olympic swimmer and the guy who can work the keyboard and mouse fastest. I don't care about the Olympics or esports, but I think they should stay divided. "I won an Olympic gold medal at age 16 playing League of Legends (will be something different by then)" is just all kinds of odd.


What is the colossal difference if both are practicing ten hours a day, following a regimented diet, doing tons of exercise, and studying their craft relentlessly in the pursuit of excellence? Particularly given both require physical proficiency and exertion? Is it purely the difference in swoleness?
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swordz9
08/09/17 5:53:54 PM
#44:


I'm going to say what the other guy said. Nobody is going to look at people playing video games and think of it as an actual sport or any associate any sort of athleticism with it.
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Peace___Frog
08/09/17 5:54:03 PM
#45:


swordz9 posted...
"I won an Olympic gold medal at age 16 playing League of Legends (will be something different by then)" is just all kinds of odd.

This is why i argue that the scene hasn't matured enough. But to immediately discount esports from ever being in the Olympics is ridiculous. Now is not the time, but there will be a time one day.
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foolm0r0n
08/09/17 5:57:45 PM
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swordz9 posted...
There's still a colossal difference between the guy aiming to be the best Olympic swimmer and the guy who can work the keyboard and mouse fastest. I don't care about the Olympics or esports, but I think they should stay divided. "I won an Olympic gold medal at age 16 playing League of Legends (will be something different by then)" is just all kinds of odd.

How about the difference between winning an Olympic gold at age 16 for being able to shoot an air pistol good
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swordz9
08/09/17 6:05:18 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
swordz9 posted...
There's still a colossal difference between the guy aiming to be the best Olympic swimmer and the guy who can work the keyboard and mouse fastest. I don't care about the Olympics or esports, but I think they should stay divided. "I won an Olympic gold medal at age 16 playing League of Legends (will be something different by then)" is just all kinds of odd.

How about the difference between winning an Olympic gold at age 16 for being able to shoot an air pistol good

It's difficult for me to think of that as a sport too. I don't really know the history of Olympic shooting or how long it has been around, but I'd guess they did this as an upgraded form of archery which has been around for a long time I think? I'd be less surprised at them wanting to add NASCAR racing to the Olympics than video games.
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charmander6000
08/09/17 6:09:07 PM
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Shooting was one of the original Olympic sports
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Hardcore_Adult
08/09/17 6:15:09 PM
#49:


charmander6000 posted...
Shooting was one of the original Olympic sports


This.

Also, anyone remember the Italian who threw THE biggest hissy in Beijing all 'cause he got Silver?
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Xeybozn
08/09/17 6:17:00 PM
#50:


swordz9 posted...
I'd be less surprised at them wanting to add NASCAR racing to the Olympics than video games.

No way. Maybe some kind of auto racing (probably formula), but stock car racing doesn't have much of a following outside of the US.
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