Poll of the Day > People are protesting HBO's Confederate show 2 years before it airs

(+) Yeah! (+)

The show is about the South winning the Civil war, and slavery persisting until now because of it. And people are already saying it glorifies slavery and ignores today's racial problems.

Jesus Christ, guys. The show hasn't even entered production yet and they're already freaking out over it.
---

Well the plot is pretty questionable.
Slavery of blacks in 2017?


Who would have the audacity to produce such a thing?

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success....


Hell, that would be even MORE controversial and would probably cause a global incident.

You can't be against someone like Trump, who publicly says that anything against him has no value, and then go and debase a show years before it airs simply because you hate the premise

If the show is bad, it'll get awful ratings. But it's completely antithetical to the people on the left who (justly) want a more equal society to bitch about a show that 1) will definitely not paint slavery in a good light, and 2) is almost guaranteed to have a great deal of modern social commentary to go along with the plot.
---

I'd at least like for it to air before it's cancelled. Any topic can be handled if the people writing the story tell it considerately enough. Give these people that chance.
---

PK_Spam posted...

You can't be against someone like Trump, who publicly says that anything against him has no value, and then go and debase a show years before it airs simply because you hate the premise

If the show is bad, it'll get awful ratings. But it's completely antithetical to the people on the left who (justly) want a more equal society to bitch about a show that 1) will definitely not paint slavery in a good light, and 2) is almost guaranteed to have a great deal of modern social commentary to go along with the plot.

What is this bullshit about "people on the left".

Are you just trying to troll? Stop making baseless assumptions about political affiliation.

https://mic.com/articles/183197/everybody-hates-hbos-confederate-show-idea-even-southern-heritage-advocates#.NkdgNdVGN


These are conservatives who find the idea that the South would keep slaves 200+ years into the future post succession insulting and demeaning.



Its a completely moronic premise that insults everyone

People in general dont like movies or stories where the bad guy wins.


People REALLY dont like when the bad guy wins in a historical re-enaction of a real event... and that goes for anything. If someone made a movie where US was conquered by Japan or Nazi Germany conquered Europe, or probably the absolute worst... where ISIS Muslims took over the United States(hell this might earn CIA agents at the producers house) people would be outraged..

You cant do crap like this and expect people not to be pissed....thats just childish

That actually sounds like it could be a good show.

OmegaTomHank posted...

People in general dont like movies or stories where the bad guy wins.


People REALLY dont like when the bad guy wins in a historical re-enaction of a real event... and that goes for anything. If someone made a movie where US was conquered by Japan or Nazi Germany conquered Europe, or probably the absolute worst... where ISIS Muslims took over the United States(hell this might earn CIA agents at the producers house) people would be outraged..

You cant do crap like this and expect people not to be pissed....thats just childish

The Man in the High Castle is one of Amazon's highest rated and watched original series about Japanese and German rule over the US because the Allies lost WWII.
---

Steven010702 posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

People in general dont like movies or stories where the bad guy wins.


People REALLY dont like when the bad guy wins in a historical re-enaction of a real event... and that goes for anything. If someone made a movie where US was conquered by Japan or Nazi Germany conquered Europe, or probably the absolute worst... where ISIS Muslims took over the United States(hell this might earn CIA agents at the producers house) people would be outraged..

You cant do crap like this and expect people not to be pissed....thats just childish

The Man in the High Castle is one of Amazon's highest rated and watched original series about Japanese and German rule over the US because the Allies lost WWII.

Dude...

I'm boycotting it before it releases
---

Sensitive people getting offended by thoughts isn't anything new. As long as the show isn't explicitly advocating slavery or discrimination I don't see what the problem is.
---

I'll get modded for this but, slavery was abolished 157 years ago, get the fuck over it already. The holocaust was much more recent and we have lots of media depicting an alternate history based on that. Like someone else said as long as it isn't advocating slavery it might be a great show
---

OmegaTomHank posted...

Well the plot is pretty questionable.
Slavery of blacks in 2017?


Who would have the audacity to produce such a thing?

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success....


Hell, that would be even MORE controversial and would probably cause a global incident.

You just described Wolfenstein. You know, that really popular franchise?
---

Nightwish posted...

I'll get modded for this but, slavery was abolished 157 years ago, get the fuck over it already. The holocaust was much more recent and we have lots of media depicting an alternate history based on that. Like someone else said as long as it isn't advocating slavery it might be a great show

Shut the hell up

I bet you think black people go to college for free and are always the aggressor when a cop shots then 20+ times.
---

Such fragile people...Can't handle anything. People these days are such cry babies about everything
---

PK_Spam posted...

I bet you think black people go to college for free

To be fair, they do get an effective boost to their SAT score of over 200 for marking that they're black, in terms of admissions.
---

Lightning Bolt posted...

To be fair, they do get an effective boost to their SAT score of over 200 for marking that they're black, in terms of admissions.

Is this true?
---

Steven010702 posted...

The Man in the High Castle is one of Amazon's highest rated and watched original series about Japanese and German rule over the US because the Allies lost WWII.

The way this is written implies there are several Amazon original series about this specific scenario.

PK_Spam posted...

The show is about the South winning the Civil war, and slavery persisting until now because of it.

Interesting premise.

But it sounds lazy. Like OmegaTomHank pointed out, I highly doubt slavery would persist that long if the South had won. Maybe if it was set in the years following the Civil War I could buy into it.

Suspension of disbelief can only carry a show so far. They could do a lot of interesting stuff with me that basic idea, but what they've presented so far doesn't seem all that great.

It's still very early, though. Plenty of time for them to tweak it.

PK_Spam posted...

Nightwish posted...

I'll get modded for this but, slavery was abolished 157 years ago, get the fuck over it already. The holocaust was much more recent and we have lots of media depicting an alternate history based on that. Like someone else said as long as it isn't advocating slavery it might be a great show

Shut the hell up

I bet you think black people go to college for free and are always the aggressor when a cop shots then 20+ times.

No, I think black people are just people. I just think it's weak to act like something that's ancient history should be completely taboo to discuss or create a show about or whatever.
---

OmegaTomHank posted...

Well the plot is pretty questionable.
Slavery of blacks in 2017?


Who would have the audacity to produce such a thing?

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success....


Hell, that would be even MORE controversial and would probably cause a global incident.

And I say waaaaaaah

Slavery only had a few years left in it anyway without the war. The economics just didn't work any more

That was why southern land owners started the war in the first place. Get everyone all riled up under the guise of nationalism as a last desperate atempt to hang on to their economic position.

It's likely that even if the South had won slavery would still have been abolished.
---

Peterass posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

To be fair, they do get an effective boost to their SAT score of over 200 for marking that they're black, in terms of admissions.

Is this true?

According to a Princeton study, African Americans were admitted into colleges as though their SAT scores were ~230 points higher than they actually were.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html
---

Lightning Bolt posted...

Peterass posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

To be fair, they do get an effective boost to their SAT score of over 200 for marking that they're black, in terms of admissions.



Is this true?


According to a Princeton study, African Americans were admitted into colleges as though their SAT scores were ~230 points higher than they actually were.

Blatent racism.. Here's another example.

My friend has been trying to get into the FDNY.. Scored very high on all tests but was passed over for someone with lower scores because he was not the correct race. Diversity is fine, but racial diversity for the sake of diversity is very unfair.
---

OmegaTomHank posted...

People in general dont like movies or stories where the bad guy wins.


People REALLY dont like when the bad guy wins in a historical re-enaction of a real event... and that goes for anything. If someone made a movie where US was conquered by Japan or Nazi Germany conquered Europe, or probably the absolute worst... where ISIS Muslims took over the United States(hell this might earn CIA agents at the producers house) people would be outraged..

You cant do crap like this and expect people not to be pissed....thats just childish

Getting all flustered at the mere existence of a show, no matter the subject matter, seems childish
---

Peterass posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

Peterass posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

To be fair, they do get an effective boost to their SAT score of over 200 for marking that they're black, in terms of admissions.



Is this true?


According to a Princeton study, African Americans were admitted into colleges as though their SAT scores were ~230 points higher than they actually were.

Blatent racism.. Here's another example.

My friend has been trying to get into the FDNY.. Scored very high on all tests but was passed over for someone with lower scores because he was not the correct race. Diversity is fine, but racial diversity for the sake of diversity is very unfair.

Diversity does seem to translate to 'less white people' a lot of the time
---

PK_Spam posted...

If the show is bad, it'll get awful ratings

So... Capitalism works then? We can stop having the government interfere with businesses based on who they choose to do business with?
---

I think it could be an interesting premise but it depends how the show is written. Good writers can make anything compelling, and I like the idea of taking issues that we've never had to deal with on that level and bringing them to the modern day.

As far as it being disrespectful or whatever, I'm pretty sure the slaves are going to be the "good guys" in this scenario and the slave owners will get their comeuppance. It's not going to be all about how we love slavery and still wished it existed, like it's a fantasy show for racists or something.

I wouldn't boycott it, but the idea that the South would still have slavery like 150 years after the war ended is hilariously ignorant and US-centric.

Nearly every other developed country on the planet had abolished slavery before the 1860s. Civil rights improved over time in those countries independent of what was happening in the US. I would have been amazed if the CSA still had slavery even by World War I. Economic sanctions would have crippled their economy. They probably eventually would have rejoined with the US. Canada likely would have taken most of western North America for themselves, given the weakened and threatened USA.
---

>Wolfenstein the New Order
---

There's gonna be a show about black people get reparations after slavery ended. They were given four southern states. The dude that made the boondocks is working on it and some other guy who is supposed to be good.
---

Really, the idea that slavery would've continued for 150 years after the civil war is ridiculous? Slavery had already been going for hundreds of years. It wasn't some fluke occurrence. Hell, slavery still exists in the world TODAY.
---

Pretty much everyone in the South knew that slavery had to go eventually, they just weren't ready yet.
---

OmegaTomHank posted...

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success

the man in the high castle

that's the show you're referring to

spiderman88mill posted...

Really, the idea that slavery would've continued for 150 years after the civil war is ridiculous? Slavery had already been going for hundreds of years. It wasn't some fluke occurrence. Hell, slavery still exists in the world TODAY.

Yes, but typically not in developed, progressive cultures. Even in the late 1800s slavery was becoming increasingly unpopular in the US. I mean, maybe they could write it in as such that the Civil War so ravaged the US that it set us back 200 years?

OmegaTomHank posted...

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success....

So the plot of the latest Wolfenstein reboot then?
---

secret-racist posted...

spiderman88mill posted...

Really, the idea that slavery would've continued for 150 years after the civil war is ridiculous? Slavery had already been going for hundreds of years. It wasn't some fluke occurrence. Hell, slavery still exists in the world TODAY.


Yes, but typically not in developed, progressive cultures. Even in the late 1800s slavery was becoming increasingly unpopular in the US. I mean, maybe they could write it in as such that the Civil War so ravaged the US that it set us back 200 years?

Slavery still exists in 2017. In fact, there are more slaves now then there were 150 year ago
---

Zareth posted...

Pretty much everyone in the South knew that slavery had to go eventually, they just weren't ready yet.

Very true, something that gets lost in history. The main reason the north didn't have slavery while the south did wasn't some moral thing or humans rights issue, it was that the north simply was industrialized and it was cheaper to replace slaves with machines. The south just wasn't there yet.

Had the civil war never happened, it is very possible that slavery would have gone away within 20 years or less. Even though slavery was "free labor" it was very expensive to maintain.
---

Peterass posted...

secret-racist posted...

spiderman88mill posted...

Really, the idea that slavery would've continued for 150 years after the civil war is ridiculous? Slavery had already been going for hundreds of years. It wasn't some fluke occurrence. Hell, slavery still exists in the world TODAY.


Yes, but typically not in developed, progressive cultures. Even in the late 1800s slavery was becoming increasingly unpopular in the US. I mean, maybe they could write it in as such that the Civil War so ravaged the US that it set us back 200 years?

Slavery still exists in 2017. In fact, there are more slaves now then there were 150 year ago

Miss this part?

Yes, but typically not in developed, progressive cultures

I don't get why there is such a fuss over this but not The Man in the High Castle. It's just a show. Don't they realize it's still likely going to show African American rebellion of slavery?
---

Jen0125 posted...

I don't get why there is such a fuss over this but not The Man in the High Castle. It's just a show. Don't they realize it's still likely going to show African American rebellion of slavery?

If anyone thinks the show will glorify whites in 2017, they haven't been paying attention

PK_Spam posted...

You can't be against someone like Trump, who publicly says that anything against him has no value, and then go and debase a show years before it airs simply because you hate the premise

This is one of the most nonsensical connections I've seen anyone try to make in a spell o_O
---

green dragon posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success

the man in the high castle

that's the show you're referring to

This. I just can't bring myself to have a problem with this new show. People do alternative history stuff all the time, The Man in High Castle is a perfect example. A show that explores what life might be like if the Nazis won WWII. Not really seeing how this is any different. It's just fiction.
---

ChaoticKnuckles posted...

green dragon posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success

the man in the high castle

that's the show you're referring to

This. I just can't bring myself to have a problem with this new show. People do alternative history stuff all the time, The Man in High Castle is a perfect example. A show that explores what life might be like if the Nazis won WWII. Not really seeing how this is any different. It's just fiction.

when i first heard this of show i pretty much assumed they just ripped off man in a high castle and repurposed it with a different historical event
---

Gotta get your outrage in early so you can get it canceled before it airs.

OmegaTomHank posted...

Its a completely moronic premise that insults everyone

Yes, it's universally stupid. Plus we *already* had a film that did just this -- also rather badly -- not that long ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America

OmegaTomHank posted...

People in general dont like movies or stories where the bad guy wins.

People REALLY dont like when the bad guy wins in a historical re-enaction of a real event... and that goes for anything. If someone made a movie where US was conquered by Japan or Nazi Germany conquered Europe, or probably the absolute worst... where ISIS Muslims took over the United States(hell this might earn CIA agents at the producers house) people would be outraged..

You cant do crap like this and expect people not to be pissed....thats just childish

Contrary to your black & white history, the CSA the "the bad guys" because history isn't that cut & dry. Nor was the north acting for any virtuous reasons; they didn't care about blacks, they just wanted to keep the nation together to maintain American power and prosperity (particularly since the south was tremendously wealthy at that point)

And, honestly, the fact that the CSA was more average American than pure evil makes them a somewhat boring subject (unlike fascists taking controlling the world) and, because the premise is infeasible, it's a weak study in alternative history.

faramir77 posted...

I wouldn't boycott it, but the idea that the South would still have slavery like 150 years after the war ended is hilariously ignorant and US-centric.

Nearly every other developed country on the planet had abolished slavery before the 1860s. Civil rights improved over time in those countries independent of what was happening in the US. I would have been amazed if the CSA still had slavery even by World War I. Economic sanctions would have crippled their economy. They probably eventually would have rejoined with the US. Canada likely would have taken most of western North America for themselves, given the weakened and threatened USA.

This pretty much, except for the idea of Canadian expansion. Granted, Canada *did* favor the CSA since it would have broken up American power into 2-3 countries.
---

OmegaTomHank posted...

Well the plot is pretty questionable.
Slavery of blacks in 2017?


Who would have the audacity to produce such a thing?

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success....


Hell, that would be even MORE controversial and would probably cause a global incident.

You mean The Man in the High Castle?
---

Making a show about killing and beating blacks unfairly during a time when blacks are being killed and beat unfairly seems stupid.

The Nazi comparison kinda works but they aren't really out there killing Jews still. Ib4itsnotlikethatinamericaeither
---

EvilMegas posted...

Making a show about killing and beating blacks unfairly during a time when blacks are being killed and beat unfairly seems stupid.

The Nazi comparison kinda works but they aren't really out there killing Jews still. Ib4itsnotlikethatinamericaeither

That's one way to look at it I guess
---

OmegaTomHank posted...

It would literally be like making a show casting the Nazis as winning the war and conquering Europe. Then showing the utter extermination of the Jewish people in Europe while Hitler beams with success....

Oh, like Man in the High Castle?

Edit: I see I'm far from the first person to mention this
---

BTW I'm not outraged. I would watch it but since all TV is horrible the show will be undoubtedly horrible
---