Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Knights of the Frozen Throne

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New Druid Card

10 mana spell
Deal 5 damage
Draw 5 cards
Gain 5 armor
Summon a 5/5 Ghoul

what in the fucking fuck is this card
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The Rogue card kinda strikes me as a win more card unless you absolutely just need to survive that 1 more turn. 9 mana to do nothing to the current board is a lot.

hearthstone is such a weird game
surviving to 10 mana against aggro decks is not always easy, first of all
secondly this card is only GREAT if you're in a situation where
you need to cleanly deal 5 damage to something
you need to draw 5 cards
armor is always good to be fair
and putting a 5/5 ghoul on the board will actually make a difference
so yeah barring armor, meeting all three of those other conditions on the same turn when you also have 10 mana and haven't already lost or already won the game
seems like it'll be pretty rare
so you'll almost never get the full value out of it

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It's essentially Ice Block + gain 5 for Rogue. Then the hero power sets you up for massive value plays. A grindy Rogue deck probably wants that effect, the question is if that deck will ever be good enough to exist. But you can do things like stealth on 9 and C'thun/N'zoth on 10. You can play double removal or healing (in Wild you have Antique Healbot), or two threats (seems really good with Jade cards. It's probably an Anub'arak scenario where the card is great but the deck isn't there, but the effects seem strong if the Rogue can just not die, and the card kind of helps with that.
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Big ez druid gets ezier?
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Also I wonder if this helps Kun make a comeback. All that plus another 7/7

If you don't lose the game by then, it's pretty hard to lose from that position.
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trdl23 posted...

Chaeix posted...

Yeah Lilian is quite literally a rogue in WoW so I don't getting how that she flavour fail

Flavor fail in WoW then. Lili in MtG is a necromancer that specializes in death magic and curses. She's as Warlock as you can get.

what if they're just different characters and the name is an allusion instead of an homage
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Ice block would be a significantly worse card if it cost 9 mana, to be fair. I'm neutral on the Rogue legend myself, if only because Miracle Rogue needs a bonus turn after it goes crazy and fills the board, but I think you're underselling it.

As for the druid card, I can easily imagine a world where I go:
T1: coin->Wild Growth
T2: Jade Blossom
T3: Nourish for mana
T4: Innervate -> the 10-mana spell
T5: Die to pirates

>_>

While that is a little nutty, the point is, druid has a lot of ramp. Just having a giant hand restock after all that ramp is pretty darn good. The fact that it can also get you the board is kind of insane. I can't imagine not picking it in arena, at the very least.
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Yeah that card is insane. Druids already throw away entire turns just to play nourish for cards, but this is a ton of tempo and gives even more cards.....
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I look forward to having a druid play this new card against me on turn 6.
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Did I miss the Valeera the hollow talk?


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I guess worth mentioning that "draw 5 cards" could be unplayable if you're in or near fatigue?

But yeah pretty great value.
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Drop C'thun to clear, the board. Opponent has to sacrifice some or all of his mana to deal with it. Drop the reflected C'thun the next turn.
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Wedge Antilles posted...

Drop C'thun to clear, the board. Opponent has to sacrifice some or all of his mana to deal with it. Drop the reflected C'thun the next turn.

Pretty sure I read somewhere the transformation only lasts until the end of your turn, so you can only double up on five mana or less. Also that you can only have one reflector in hand at a time.
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VeryInsane posted...

Shadow reflection leaves your hand at the end of your turn, so it only works on 5 mana cards or less.


Still, lots of combo potential, including Arcane Giants, Edwin Van Cleef, Double Pack if you have a nearly empty hand. Also stolen cards from Hallucination/Shaku can create some crazy combos.

If this sees play expect you know who to complain about it

The italics was what I read from a blizzard guy on reddit
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JonThePenguin posted...

Wedge Antilles posted...

Drop C'thun to clear, the board. Opponent has to sacrifice some or all of his mana to deal with it. Drop the reflected C'thun the next turn.

Pretty sure I read somewhere the transformation only lasts until the end of your turn, so you can only double up on five mana or less. Also that you can only have one reflector in hand at a time.

I would think it would say "until end of turn" on the card if that we're true.
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In the reveal video he explains that the card leaves your hand at end of turn so it only works to double up 5 mana or less, barring cost reduction or whatever.

The hero power says "during your turn" which I guess is how they communicate that.
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I'm on my at least fifth straight 7+ win run in arena right now

this free win for each run is great
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y'all are a bunch of liars. You said the legendary pity timer worked for all of you. I actually dropped gold on Un'goro packs after my arena run to get up to my 10th pack and...nothing.
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It worked for nearly all of us tbqh
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I got the paladin and rogue secret from it
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MariaTaylor posted...

I just opened an Un'Goro pack and did not get a legendary.

hm.

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The latest theory I saw was that it wasn't exactly ten packs, which started because now when you start opening a set you've never opened a pack for before you're guaranteed a legendary in the first ten packs, but that they just increased the odds for everything. Would make sense why people are also saying they were getting more epics and golden cards than usual. I wasn't paying attention to how many epics I got but in the 23? packs I got four golden cards.
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MariaTaylor posted...

MariaTaylor posted...

I just opened an Un'Goro pack and did not get a legendary.

hm.

Yes, but that's ONE pack. The announcement said you'd get the legendary in your first ten.
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I got 3 legendaries in about 30 packs of Un'Goro.

So the upped rate theory makes more sense to me.

But of course, all of us are simply random data points giving anecdotal evidence -- always be wary of nonscientific polling!
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I got 2 in 10 maybe one of those packs was stolen by me
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I also drafted Tirion for the first time in Arena. Here's hoping it's a good run!

(My last few have been pretty meh)
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https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hearthstone/topic/20758425996

Kind of wish I was already subscribed to the mailing list so I could see what kind of stats they would cherry pick to try and make me look good.
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Stone hill is like probably the best card from the expansion, but it can still dud sometimes so i think on average tirion is a better card.
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nah, not even close.

he's not even the best neutral 3-mana minion!
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Fledgling and Tar Creeper too good
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I'm really tempted to buy 10 of each pack, but iv seen a scattering of reports of some people who *arent* getting a legendary after 10 packs... It seems like it genuinely is real but for some reason doesnt apply to a few people.... what if I'm one of the few =x
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azuarc posted...

Yes, but that's ONE pack. The announcement said you'd get the legendary in your first ten.

I then posted that I was only going to open my free packs I got from arena and not spend any gold. this was all while ShatteredElysium was saying that the pity timer thing DID NOT work for him. so no, we are not all liars who said that the pity timer thing worked. at least one person reported that it did not work (SE), and at least one person was at least smarter than you and didn't waste gold on packs to check (me).
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Got 10 wins with the most recent arena. Players at the start were pretty bad but got the normal line of like golden mages and rogues later on. I was a rogue and had some enjoyable games. One of the most amazing things was some guy dropping deathwing and me using BGH on it.

Also, lately I've been getting a LOT of epics and even a couple of recent legendaries. I still don't play a lot (Like an arena every other day) but I have like 5K dust. woo.
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Opened the rogue quest in my 5th-ish un'goro pack
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To further test the pack theory, I was going to see how many Old Gods packs it would take for me to get a legendary because I haven't opened OG packs since MSoG came out.

Spent 100 gold. First pack - Mukla, Tyrant of the Vale.

lol
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http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3162-new-card-revealed-skulking-geist

holy shit they weren't kidding

rip fucking jade

(and secret paladin in wild)
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Wow, get fucked Jade Druid and to a lesser extent a few other decks but mainly Jade Druid.
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Priest actually gets wrecked too.

Inner Fire, Potion of Madness, and Power Word Shield.

Who knew that the execute nerf was actually a buff though?

Also explore un'goro went from unplayable to literally worthless lmao
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That card just seems dumb. Like it's such an easy include in a lot of decks and just wreaks so much havoc.... and actually gives you a decent body. wtf.
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Holy shit I just played this mage in arena who played like 10 secrets. He got a few of them from Cabal Tomes but near the end he just kept top decking secrets over and over.

So stressful to deal with.
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That card makes me feel dirty to look at. I understand that decks should have counters but that effect is SO gross.
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MariaTaylor posted...

azuarc posted...

Yes, but that's ONE pack. The announcement said you'd get the legendary in your first ten.

I then posted that I was only going to open my free packs I got from arena and not spend any gold. this was all while ShatteredElysium was saying that the pity timer thing DID NOT work for him. so no, we are not all liars who said that the pity timer thing worked. at least one person reported that it did not work (SE), and at least one person was at least smarter than you and didn't waste gold on packs to check (me).

Holy shit, dude, stop being so damn sensitive. Not every disagreement is a personal assault or accusation.
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Yeah, I don't like that card really.
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