Current Events > Does anyone still unironically advocate atheism?

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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

@Villain

Proof?

To take a page from the religious posters here, prove he's wrong.

Strawman.

You shouldn't bother posting anything else other than that from now on
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Axiom posted...

The Deadpool posted...

Darmik posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Darmik posted...

Would you rather live in a world where Jesus watches you masturbate with a disapproval or a world where nobody knows you're masturbating and Jesus is a dead guy who crumbled to dust long ago.

First option.

Are you saying you wouldn't want heaven to exist?

With the current rules you need to follow to get in? No.

That's another JohnLennon alt. Just ignore it. It never says anything of substance.

inb4 he posts something along the lines of "The same could be said of you" or "Aren't you a known troll" and then mentions you multiple times

Fucking lol

Nah he'll just say "Strawman"
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So you guys would rather be engulfed in darkness and deafening silence in an absence of existence until the end of time?

I'm not saying you have to be religious, but saying you hope heaven doesn't exist is just plain edgy.

No one advocates for theism; its a null position. You advocate unironically against theism, and that is common.

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

So you guys would rather be engulfed in darkness and deafening silence in an absence of existence until the end of time?

I'm not saying you have to be religious, but saying you hope heaven doesn't exist is just plain edgy.

Does wanting something to be true make it true or even reasonable to believe?

And I wouldn't mind going to a super awesome place after I die. It's simply that the heaven described in the Bible doesn't seem like a super awesome place.

As an aside, I imagine that death without an afterlife would feel like it was over in a split second.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

So you guys would rather be engulfed in darkness and deafening silence in an absence of existence until the end of time?

That isn't remotely what the concept of death atheists hold is. (Well - maybe a few fringe ones do.)

Your consciousness is terminated completely. There is no darkness, no silence, no absence of existence. You don't experience anything because that part of you is gone. There's nothing edgy about that.
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LinksLiege posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

So you guys would rather be engulfed in darkness and deafening silence in an absence of existence until the end of time?

That isn't remotely what the concept of death atheists hold is. (Well - maybe a few fringe ones do.)

Your consciousness is terminated completely. There is no darkness, no silence, no absence of existence. You don't experience anything because that part of you is gone. There's nothing edgy about that.

It's not edgy to believe in that, it's edgy to say that you would prefer that to going to heaven.

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

LinksLiege posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

So you guys would rather be engulfed in darkness and deafening silence in an absence of existence until the end of time?

That isn't remotely what the concept of death atheists hold is. (Well - maybe a few fringe ones do.)

Your consciousness is terminated completely. There is no darkness, no silence, no absence of existence. You don't experience anything because that part of you is gone. There's nothing edgy about that.

It's not edgy to believe in that, it's edgy to say that you would prefer that to going to heaven.

I would prefer nothing to a place I would not want to be in based on its description, yes. That's not an edgy thing to say.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

LinksLiege posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

So you guys would rather be engulfed in darkness and deafening silence in an absence of existence until the end of time?

That isn't remotely what the concept of death atheists hold is. (Well - maybe a few fringe ones do.)

Your consciousness is terminated completely. There is no darkness, no silence, no absence of existence. You don't experience anything because that part of you is gone. There's nothing edgy about that.

It's not edgy to believe in that, it's edgy to say that you would prefer that to going to heaven.

I would prefer nothing to a place I would not want to be in based on its description, yes. That's not an edgy thing to say.

There's no evidence that the Christian heaven is what it is actually like. There are many different religions for a reason.

I think George Harrison actually said it best

All religions are branches of one big tree. It doesn't matter what you call Him just as long as you call.

If heaven wasn't perfect than it wouldn't be heaven. There is nothing to fear.

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

It's not edgy to believe in that, it's edgy to say that you would prefer that to going to heaven.

And it's stupid of you to assume the motivation behind why someone advocates such a position.

There are many reasons why I have less of a problem with the atheist view of death than I do the idea of any kind of afterlife. "lol so edgy" isn't one of them.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

There's no evidence that the Christian heaven is what it is actually like. There are many different religions for a reason.

There's no evidence that heaven exists.

But you're free to give me a description of heaven, and I can totally tell you if it's a place I would like to go should it exist.
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JohnLennon with interesting things to say here. No time to address now at work. Hopefully I will remember to come back to this later.
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Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Now saying "There is sufficient proof of God's existence" makes more sense because the Universe, as massive and expanding as it is, probably might never be 100% explored

fixed
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Now saying "There is sufficient proof of God's existence" makes more sense because the Universe, as massive and expanding as it is, probably might never be 100% explored

fixed

lmao
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Militant Atheists are just as bad as crazy religious God believing people.
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Veggeta X posted...

Militant Atheists are just as bad as crazy religious God believing people.

Sure, but worse for the bejigidy.. blame you for what I'm doing, thing.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Militant Atheists are just as bad as crazy religious God believing people.

Sure, but worse for the bejiggidy.. blame you for what I'm doing, thing.

The fuck?
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Veggeta X posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Militant Atheists are just as bad as crazy religious God believing people.

Sure, but worse for the bejiggidy.. blame you for what I'm doing, thing.

The fuck?

Do you have a question? Because that's why people use question marks.
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Oh I apologize for not properly using the English language to convey what I literally and technically mean. "The fuck?" is something of a slang for "I do not understand what you are saying".
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Veggeta X posted...

Oh I apologize for not properly using the English language to convey what I literally and technically mean. "The fuck?" is something of a slang for "I do not understand what you are saying".

I'm not responsible for what you understand.

Keep on truckin'
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Veggeta X posted...

Militant Atheists are just as bad as crazy religious God believing people.

Militant Atheists have never started massive wars and genocides pushing "I'm an atheist you're not you should be"
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TrevorBlack79 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.

Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.

Except in reality, where existence is infinite and that needs no proof. The universe is infinite, and we don't see more because it's that f***ing big.
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So it's wrong for me not to properly explain myself but it's okay for you not to properly explain yourself, gotcha.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.

Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.

Except in reality, where existence is infinite and that needs no proof. The universe is infinite, and we don't see more because it's that f***ing big.

There's a 9000mile long dragon that flies through space at the speed of light and eats planets like Galactus


I mean you can't say there isn't right
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.

Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.

Except in reality, where existence is infinite and that needs no proof. The universe is infinite, and we don't see more because it's that f***ing big.

We have evidence of the universe existing and being vast. We have no evidence of God being real
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We don't know if the universe is finite or infinite actually.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.

Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.

Except in reality, where existence is infinite and that needs no proof. The universe is infinite, and we don't see more because it's that f***ing big.

That's not how it works. Existence claims require evidence, and without evidence no one is obligated to entertain your claim. Particularly when your claim hinges on the supernatural.
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Does anyone advocate for religion who wasn't brainwashed into it as a child?
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There's a lot of things we don't know. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not so foolish as to believe, "Well I can't see God and there's NO (despite the intricacies of the world and known/unknown universe) evidence of his existence so far so there's NO God."

Not saying that's every atheists argument but it is one I've heard more than once.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

There's a lot of things we don't know. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not so foolish as to believe, "Well I can't see God and there's NO (despite the intricacies of the world and known/unknown universe) evidence of his existence so far so there's NO God."

Not saying that's every atheists argument but it is one I've heard more than once.

Well how about a counter-example? You don't know the intricacies of the universe yet you probably don't go to sleep assuming it could be your last day alive because a meteor reaches your house between the time you fell asleep. You probably have never described yourself as "possibly having a tumour developing", that's unconfirmed by a doctor. Because that's how common sense and practicality works. There may be proof a meteor is crashing down on your house while you're sleep, you may have something wrong going on in your body, but as long as you don't know you probably fell asleep soundly and you think you are perfectly healthy. Why should theism be an excuse to this? Unless there is proof otherwise, its perfectly reasonable to say there is no deity from what is presented even though the universe is very large.

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

There's a lot of things we don't know. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not so foolish as to believe, "Well I can't see God and there's NO (despite the intricacies of the world and known/unknown universe) evidence of his existence so far so there's NO God."

Not saying that's every atheists argument but it is one I've heard more than once.

This is where the agnostic/gnostic spectrum comes into play.

Most atheists don't claim to "know" there is no God. They simply aren't convinced by the arguments theists put forth. Agnostic Atheism and Gnostic Atheism (or "weak atheism" and "strong atheism," as they're sometimes referred to) are different things - the latter is the "I know there is no god" position, while the former doesn't claim to know it for a fact.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

There's no evidence that the Christian heaven is what it is actually like. There are many different religions for a reason.

There's no evidence that heaven exists.

But you're free to give me a description of heaven, and I can totally tell you if it's a place I would like to go should it exist.

Heaven is a perfect place.

People still unironically make topics like this?
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

There's no evidence that the Christian heaven is what it is actually like. There are many different religions for a reason.

There's no evidence that heaven exists.

But you're free to give me a description of heaven, and I can totally tell you if it's a place I would like to go should it exist.

Heaven is a perfect place.

That's not a useful description. It tells me nothing about what any proposed heaven would actually be like. You might as well be asking me: "Would you like to go to a place that you would like to go to?" Sure, the answer is yes, but tautologies like that aren't actually useful in discussion.
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Hexagon posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

There's a lot of things we don't know. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not so foolish as to believe, "Well I can't see God and there's NO (despite the intricacies of the world and known/unknown universe) evidence of his existence so far so there's NO God."

Not saying that's every atheists argument but it is one I've heard more than once.

Well how about a counter-example? You don't know the intricacies of the universe yet you probably don't go to sleep assuming it could be your last day alive because a meteor reaches your house between the time you fell asleep. You probably have never described yourself as "possibly having a tumour developing", that's unconfirmed by a doctor. Because that's how common sense and practicality works. There may be proof a meteor is crashing down on your house while you're sleep, you may have something wrong going on in your body, but as long as you don't know you probably fell asleep soundly and you think you are perfectly healthy. Why should theism be an excuse to this? Unless there is proof otherwise, its perfectly reasonable to say there is no deity from what is presented even though the universe is very large.

You know its true that's why nobody's posting.

Dragonblade01 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

There's no evidence that the Christian heaven is what it is actually like. There are many different religions for a reason.

There's no evidence that heaven exists.

But you're free to give me a description of heaven, and I can totally tell you if it's a place I would like to go should it exist.

Heaven is a perfect place.

That's not a useful description. It tells me nothing about what any proposed heaven would actually be like. You might as well be asking me: "Would you like to go to a place that you would like to go to?" Sure, the answer is yes, but tautologies like that aren't actually useful in discussion.

But that's what heaven is.

thronedfire2 posted...

Does anyone advocate for religion who wasn't brainwashed into it as a child?

Yes. People who were brainwashed into it as adults.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

There's no evidence that the Christian heaven is what it is actually like. There are many different religions for a reason.

There's no evidence that heaven exists.

But you're free to give me a description of heaven, and I can totally tell you if it's a place I would like to go should it exist.

Heaven is a perfect place.

There is no such place. The experience of the dying mind reflects the life lived. Heaven and hell are essentially hyper-lucid dreams with time perception stretched possibly infinitely. The nature of the experience is a reflection of the individual, their psyche and what exists in their levels of conscious and subconscious.
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We still do not know what happens when you die, so it is very possible that heaven exists.

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

We still do not know what happens when you die, so it is very possible that heaven exists.

The origin of the idea is likely rooted slightly in wishful thinking but primarily in near death experiences, which are temporary trips, whereas death would be a permatrip. DMT is a helluva drug...
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

We still do not know what happens when you die, so it is very possible that heaven exists.

We do what happens when you die; your body starts decomposing faster than your body can repair itself and irreversible damage occurs, synapses break down and the complex electrical circuit that was responsible for your thoughts, feelings, and memory is gone. Then you cease to exist as a person.

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

We still do not know what happens when you die, so it is very possible that heaven exists.

Or a million other things. Or nothing.

Do you believe everything that hasn't been proven irretuably impossible? In other words, do you believe in everything because there is always the possibility anything could exist? That seems like an insane way to live.
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@KiwiTerraRizing posted...

The truth doesn't need to be advocated, it's still the truth.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life

so what you said is correct

wonder why many refuse to accept the truth

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:6
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TimePharaoh posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.

Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.

Except in reality, where existence is infinite and that needs no proof. The universe is infinite, and we don't see more because it's that f***ing big.

There's a 9000mile long dragon that flies through space at the speed of light and eats planets like Galactus


I mean you can't say there isn't right

If all the ancient civilizations had different versions and stories of this dragonfly, then it should give you pause.
It is interesting how modern atheism is. If God isn't real, do we really believe ancient man was so stupid he couldn't figure it out? I mean, back in b.c. they figured out the circumference of the earth using shadows of the sun and still believed in Gods. Why do you think that is; beyond that they were just stupid but we today are smart?
Was there even an ancient atheist society? You would think that should exist if God is not real.
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Hexagon posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

We still do not know what happens when you die, so it is very possible that heaven exists.

We do what happens when you die; your body starts decomposing faster than your body can repair itself and irreversible damage occurs, synapses break down and the complex electrical circuit that was responsible for your thoughts, feelings, and memory is gone. Then you cease to exist as a person.

Well also dmt.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

TimePharaoh posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

TrevorBlack79 posted...

Volkswagen_Bros posted...

Saying "There isn't evidence of God's existence" isn't a valid argument.

Yes it is. Existence claims need to be supported with evidence, otherwise they can be summarily dismissed.

Except in reality, where existence is infinite and that needs no proof. The universe is infinite, and we don't see more because it's that f***ing big.

There's a 9000mile long dragon that flies through space at the speed of light and eats planets like Galactus


I mean you can't say there isn't right

If all the ancient civilizations had different versions and stories of this dragonfly, then it should give you pause.
It is interesting how modern atheism is. If God isn't real, do we really believe ancient man was so stupid he couldn't figure it out? I mean, back in b.c. they figured out the circumference of the earth using shadows of the sun and still believed in Gods. Why do you think that is; beyond that they were just stupid but we today are smart?
Was there even an ancient atheist society? You would think that should exist if God is not real.

History is written by those in power. That's generally been religious people. This is why we don't hear much about atheism in earlier times.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

@KiwiTerraRizing posted...

The truth doesn't need to be advocated, it's still the truth.

Jesus is the way the truth and the life

so what you said is correct

wonder why many refuse to accept the truth

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:6

XD
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darkphoenix181 posted...

If all the ancient civilizations had different versions and stories of this dragonfly, then it should give you pause.

Much like how all the ancient civilizations had different versions and stories of God(s).
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Personally, yes, I do find myself lending more and more towards atheism, as opposed to being agnostic before.

If other people want to believe otherwise, that's their business, I'm not trying to advocate or preach anything.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

History is written by those in power. That's generally been religious people. This is why we don't hear much about atheism in earlier times.

the question is

in Egypt, they were religious

in Japan, they were religious

in Mexico, the mayans, they were religions

why?

These are distinct peoples that separated long ago. Even if their fathers were religious, they could have easily said, "chopping off a dudes head and playing soccer with it doesn't actually give us more grain this year"

it is not like these societies didn't have revolutions and overthrow the power such that the one dude who said "I am a God!" was never questioned


even with what you say about Historic revision, if a religious society conquered an atheist one, we would see in their records
"these heathen atheists were defeated thanks to our God!"
so you can't just say they existed but the religious people blotted them out


now, I am not saying this means you should believe in God or be religious
what I am saying is you cannot compare making up your own stupid myth about a cosmic firefly with believing in a God since very smart ancient societies seemingly with no interactions with each other for some reason believed in this higher power
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