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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

There is no evidence of god

Not true.

Show me undisputable evidence of gods existence

All evidence is disputable.

Hence scientific theory.

Science has never nor will ever prove anything. So why do atheist who f***ing love science, demand this proof?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof

Fine, show me evidence that proves gods existence beyind reasonable doubt
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Rika_Furude posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

There is no evidence of god

Not true.

Show me undisputable evidence of gods existence

All evidence is disputable.

Hence scientific theory.

Science has never nor will ever prove anything. So why do atheist who f***ing love science, demand this proof?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof

Fine, show me evidence that proves gods existence beyind reasonable doubt

Beyond doubt? Faith.

lol
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

There is no evidence of god

Not true.

Show me undisputable evidence of gods existence

All evidence is disputable.

Hence scientific theory.

Science has never nor will ever prove anything. So why do atheist who f***ing love science, demand this proof?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof

Fine, show me evidence that proves gods existence beyind reasonable doubt

Beyond doubt? Faith.

lol

I asked for evidence beyond reasonable doubt
The fact that some people have faith in gods existence is not evidence beyond reasonable doubt that god exists
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With proof there can be no faith, lucky for God...
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Let's talk about how the accepted scientific theories are established by a popularity vote tho.

Logic and reason at its finest. Because the truth and facts are established by a democracy.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Let's talk about how the accepted scientific theories are established by a popularity vote tho.

Logic and reason at its finest. Because the truth and facts are established by a democracy.

what the actual fuck are you talking about?
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I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.
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No, how about we talk about this "evidence" that god exists first, and where it can be seen. Nobody has presented this evidence, and i can tell you now you never will and will instead keep dodging.
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Rika_Furude posted...

No, how about we talk about this "evidence" that god exists first, and where it can be seen. Nobody has presented this evidence, and i can tell you now you never will and will instead keep dodging.

The Bible LOL
Checkmate xD

On my napkin i wrote that god doesnt exist. Bingo
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

With proof there can be no faith, lucky for God...

Proof exists in the field of mathematics.

One cannot solve for God, because God is not a problem. Much less a variable. God and the truth are one. This pattern is fixed, while variables don't have fixed pattern.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.
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do you have anything to contribute that isn't batshit? you've kinda gone off the deep end here.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.

Like I said, no said empty sophistry
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It only appears to be insane because you're not religious.
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Medussa posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Let's talk about how the accepted scientific theories are established by a popularity vote tho.

Logic and reason at its finest. Because the truth and facts are established by a democracy.

what the actual fuck are you talking about?

How does the scientific community agree on accepted theories then? Is it not by popular agreement?
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Medussa posted...

do you have anything to contribute that isn't batshit? you've kinda gone off the deep end here.

can you try to say something, preferably intelligent rather than question everything like a non cognitively functioning person that can't hold himself together when ideas become bigger.. and better.

Maybe you should contribute.
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SuperBaller posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

No, how about we talk about this "evidence" that god exists first, and where it can be seen. Nobody has presented this evidence, and i can tell you now you never will and will instead keep dodging.

The Bible LOL
Checkmate xD

I like how the bible is a collection of books, yet people dismiss it as one.

To be truely scientific you'd have to debunk each book individually rather than dismiss the collection based on one passage of one book. And then still, you have the whole interpretation debate.
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Pretty sure the JohnLennon accounts and TC are alts of Hoth. Hence the trolling.

It's sad when you want Proudclad to come back with legit conviction of faith. Instead of this garabage.

Also for the record for concept to become a scientific theory it has to go through a very strict process where everything is tested and retested consistently by many different people. Its the highest form of scientific knowledge. I know I'm talking to the wall but atleast I put it out there
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Why are people bothering to argue with this shit?

It looks like all you're going to get is shit like "God proves God's existence", or "prove that he doesn't exist". It's really pointless.
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shnangyboos posted...

Why are people bothering to argue with this shit?

It looks like all you're going to get is shit like "God proves God's existence", or "prove that he doesn't exist". It's really pointless.

The bait was obvious from the start but it's so brazen at this point that I can't feel sympathy for anyone still falling for it.

I regret getting pulled in for the bit I did earlier, but it's fun to watch.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

SuperBaller posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

No, how about we talk about this "evidence" that god exists first, and where it can be seen. Nobody has presented this evidence, and i can tell you now you never will and will instead keep dodging.

The Bible LOL
Checkmate xD

I like how the bible is a collection of books, yet people dismiss it as one.

To be truely scientific you'd have to debunk each book individually rather than dismiss the collection based on one passage of one book. And then still, you have the whole interpretation debate.

theres nothing to "debunk" since christians never put forth a viable argument that supports gods existence

a typical argument involves putting forth a case and presenting evidence to back it up
christians have only done half of this, therefore they have not presented an argument to begin with. god does not exist, and you can't say that he does unless you provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt.
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Rika_Furude posted...

a typical argument involves putting forth a case and presenting evidence to back it up
christians have only done half of this, therefore they have not presented an argument to begin with. god does not exist, and you can't say that he does unless you provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

But God does exist. Just like Slenderman, Cthulhu, Martians, Freddy Krueger and my waifu. You can't prove they don't exist so they must be real. And I have books about all of them too, so that's even more proof.
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The weird shit about religious people to me is that they know people believe in lies. They know religions are just lies people are mostly indoctrinated into as a child.

That lack of self awareness is amazing...
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

How does the scientific community agree on accepted theories then? Is it not by popular agreement?

...lol.

I wonder how you envision this? Do people gather and all vote once a year, or once every 4 like the presidential election?

In reality, people within the field judge theories based on the available evidence within the literature.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

So each person's heaven is different? If I tell someone about my heaven, and they think my heaven is better than their heaven, does my heaven become their heaven? If someone, for whatever reason, thinks hell seems like a great place to be, does hell
become their heaven?

If someone thinks hell is a great place than they can never get in to heaven.

Neither are places. I've explained this.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.

No. This is just describing the psychosomatic effect.
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Asherlee10 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

The weird shit about religious people to me is that they know people believe in lies. They know religions are just lies people are mostly indoctrinated into as a child.

That lack of self awareness is amazing...

I don't think they think their religion is based on information that are untruths.

You don't?

Do they believe Zeus throws lightning bolts at us when he's angry?
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Asherlee10 posted...

My belief sets don't really matter to other people's belief sets. Just because I choose to not believe something doesn't mean other people do.

Right. But if you believe in A, and B directly contracts A, then you MUST, by definition, think anyone who believes in B is believing in a lie.

That's just how reality functions. To believe in any religion is to accept all other religions are lies and all other religious people were either liars or believing in lies.
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The difference between the theist and the atheist is just one religion...
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.

No. This is just describing the psychosomatic effect.

I don't give a fuck what your terms of disagreement are.
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The Deadpool posted...

The difference between the theist and the atheist is just one religion...

Definition of theism. : belief in the existence of a god

This doesn't require religion. At all.

Personally, I'm a panentheist. It for the strangest reason makes atheists arguments cave in on their own logic. Most atheists are biased, uneducated, and seem to repeat key points that haven't been mentally thought through to support their position.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

in Mexico, the mayans, they were religions

They were predominately in El Salvador and Honduras, actually.

darkphoenix181 posted...

These are distinct peoples that separated long ago. Even if their fathers were religious, they could have easily said, "chopping off a dudes head and playing soccer with it doesn't actually give us more grain this year"

You are actually mixing up a lot of different things here. Firstly, that's a legend about the Aztec. They've tested it, and it's pretty much impossible to play the game they played (which is almost more similar to basketball) with a head. It was also not done for grain harvests.

darkphoenix181 posted...

it is not like these societies didn't have revolutions and overthrow the power such that the one dude who said "I am a God!" was never questioned

Divine Right Monarchy is actually a pretty tricky subject. In fact, the Chinese actually had their own versions (Mandate of Heaven) that stated that if the country started going poorly, the leader had lost divine favor and therefore needed to be replaced with the next rightful leader. Fact is, it's pretty easy to rectify anything if you try.

darkphoenix181 posted...

even with what you say about Historic revision, if a religious society conquered an atheist one, we would see in their records
"these heathen atheists were defeated thanks to our God!"
so you can't just say they existed but the religious people blotted them out

I agree with that. There weren't atheist societies.

darkphoenix181 posted...

now, I am not saying this means you should believe in God or be religious
what I am saying is you cannot compare making up your own stupid myth about a cosmic firefly with believing in a God since very smart ancient societies seemingly with no interactions with each other for some reason believed in this higher power

Atheism doesn't claim anything, though. There is no myth.

The idea that 'smart societies' believed in religion is spurious at best. Intelligence is not measured in a single direction. For example, 14th century Europe had developed absolutely amazing engineering techniques for castle building, but had primitive medical technology when the Black Plague hit. The idea is also a clear adaptation of the logical fallacy of appeal to popularity.

Now why did dissparate societies all believe in religion? Well, there are a few things to consider. One, some of those disparate societies had a common ancestry. For example, some theories make a link between the ancient Celt and the Indus Valley, since both the religious traditions from those areas share a lot of common hallmarks. Second, you are using your language's definition of religion to apply to something long after it was created. Yes, most cultures believed in the supernatural. Yet, their ideas are so irreconcilably different that it bears mention. For example, the Norse said the world was created when Odin slayed a the giant Ymir and shaped the world out of his body. The Finnish said it was a sky woman who got pregnant with the sea and the world was created when a bird laid golden and iron eggs on her outstretched knee, which fell into the ocean when she convulsed. Thirdly, humans naturally want to explain everything, and when you have a limited reference pool, that is going to end with some similarities (but way, way more disparity).

You know shockingly little of other religions for someone advocating them, honestly.

VaniIIa Coke posted...

This doesn't require religion. At all

And yet, one generally follows.

You can replace religion with "belief in supernatural" if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that everyone knows that everyone else is believing in bullshit. The atheist just takes it one step further.

VaniIIa Coke posted...

It for the strangest reason makes atheists arguments cave in on their own logic.

Does it? Funny. I find that my atheism makes panentheist look exactly as silly as every other theist...
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The Deadpool posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

This doesn't require religion. At all

And yet, one generally follows.

You can replace religion with "belief in supernatural" if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that everyone knows that everyone else is believing in bullshit. The atheist just takes it one step further.

VaniIIa Coke posted...

It for the strangest reason makes atheists arguments cave in on their own logic.

Does it? Funny. I find that my atheism makes panentheist look exactly as silly as every other theist...

Siller observer, things aren't always as they seem. What makes you so trustworthy?

Replacing religion with belief.

No tricks here? Listen up chump.

Words have meaning, that's the truth. Stop lying to yourself. You may situationally replace x with y, but you're only fooling yourself. Your hypotheticals switches are what's bullshit. They don't demonstrate logic, reason, nor sentience. It's just stupidity.
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Step up, atheist.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

Personally, I'm a panentheist. It for the strangest reason makes atheists arguments cave in on their own logic. Most atheists are biased, uneducated, and seem to repeat key points that haven't been mentally thought through to support their position.

There's no more reason to think there exists divinity as an outside force acting on our universe than there is to think there exists divinity as some pervading element of our universe and beyond.
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>bash the opposition for being generally uneducated and dumb
>be the only person in the thread to say "shut up" and unable to finish a thought without double posting

What a class act.

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Your hypotheticals switches are what's bullshit.

So you believe Zeus throws lightning at people?
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.

No. This is just describing the psychosomatic effect.

I don't give a fuck what your terms of disagreement are.

No, you're thinking about it wrong. If search for "god" expecting to find "god," I will end up attributing something to "god" out of anticipation of it. It's like when someone anticipates getting sick and assumes it will happen and then they end up making themselves sick. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy only in actual legit psychological form. It's not my term and it is something that psychologically occurs in people, so you giving a fuck or not giving a fuck doesn't change the fact that the phenomenon is a real thing that happens.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.

No. This is just describing the psychosomatic effect.

I don't give a fuck what your terms of disagreement are.

No, you're thinking about it wrong. If search for "god" expecting to find "god," I will end up attributing something to "god" out of anticipation of it. It's like when someone anticipates getting sick and assumes it will happen and then they end up making themselves sick. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy only in actual legit psychological form. It's not my term and it is something that psychologically occurs in people, so you giving a fuck or not giving a fuck doesn't change the fact that the phenomenon is a real thing that happens.

nope lol

according to the psychosomatic effect, me not giving a fuck does actually change the fact. xD

It literally means you can't even prove it exists, because of course I'll be rejecting anyones supporting claims.

That's how this works, right?

The Deadpool posted...

The weird shit about religious people to me is that they know people believe in lies. They know religions are just lies people are mostly indoctrinated into as a child.

That lack of self awareness is amazing...

Agreed, about both of you.

How are you going to claim to understand peoples beliefs to detail they believe lies.. That's knowing decieving yourself. While the curtail of atheism is to not just omit but reject these same peoples values, beliefs, claims and understanding.

If you don't share in their understanding, how the fuck are you going to claim you know what and how they believe?

You must be claiming to be psychic, or more likely just revealing how your religious attempts failed.
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If you don't share in their understanding, how the f*** are you going to claim you know what and how they believe?

Because their beliefs are laid down in writing for everyone to read?

VaniIIa Coke posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

I don't demand absolute 100% proof (as if such a thing actually exists).

I simply will not accept a claim on insufficient evidence and poor reasoning. No amount of empty sophistry can change that. This isn't just for gods, btw. I will not accept any claims on those grounds; and if I discover that I do believe something on those grounds, I correct my thinking.

God is the very proof atheists seek. So seek the truth above all else, fixate on the truth, and there you will find God.

No. This is just describing the psychosomatic effect.

I don't give a fuck what your terms of disagreement are.

No, you're thinking about it wrong. If search for "god" expecting to find "god," I will end up attributing something to "god" out of anticipation of it. It's like when someone anticipates getting sick and assumes it will happen and then they end up making themselves sick. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy only in actual legit psychological form. It's not my term and it is something that psychologically occurs in people, so you giving a fuck or not giving a fuck doesn't change the fact that the phenomenon is a real thing that happens.

nope lol

according to the psychosomatic effect, me not giving a fuck does actually change the fact. xD

It literally means you can't even prove it exists, because of course I'll be rejecting anyones supporting claims.

That's how this works, right?

Prove what exists? How what works? What are you on about? You're just senselessly rambling here and I can't follow whatever you are attempting to convey.
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VaniIIa Coke posted...

How are you going to claim to understand peoples beliefs to detail they believe lies..

Communication.

Do you believe Zeus throws lightning bolts?
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The Deadpool posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

How are you going to claim to understand peoples beliefs to detail they believe lies..

Communication.

Do you believe Zeus throws lightning bolts?

That's not in the bible.
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JohnLennon6 posted...

The Deadpool posted...

VaniIIa Coke posted...

How are you going to claim to understand peoples beliefs to detail they believe lies..

Communication.

Do you believe Zeus throws lightning bolts?

That's not in the bible.

Ooooooh! Them's fightin' words
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Why do people believe in the bible? Not trying to be an a** or anything.. just wondering.
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