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Zeeak4444 08/07/17 10:19:30 PM #305: |
kewldude475 posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...kewldude475 posted...Zeeak4444 posted...kewldude475 posted...Anyways, I'm out. Have fun atheists. @kewldude475 "I'm st00pd and don't know anything but I'm also too arrogant and ignorant to learn it myself" --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/07/17 10:20:02 PM #306: |
The Deadpool posted...
kewldude475 posted...I'll believe that a deity that always existed He doesn't understand that... --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/07/17 10:31:40 PM #309: |
Lol willful ignorance is the worst.
Enjoy telling people how the Big Bang is magic turning nothing into rocks through a big explosion lmao. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexagon 08/07/17 10:42:44 PM #312: |
Something existing without being created seems pretty magical, god-like even. Why does this belief continue to exist. Do people not realize that the only things that they know to have a "creator" only exist on earth like reproduction of organisms, cars, buildings, etc. But leaves literally the entire universe except a couple of things you've seen on earth to either not have a creator or you don't know. It's entirely rational that everything doesn't have a creator except people, cars, tin cans, watches, and fidget spinners. Unless you believe in a god, there are literally more things in the universe that don't have a creator, then those that do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hexagon 08/07/17 10:53:07 PM #314: |
kewldude475 posted...
Hexagon posted...Something existing without being created seems pretty magical, god-like even. Why do you care I thought you were done in this thread? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Deadpool 08/07/17 11:24:08 PM #318: |
kewldude475 posted...
Something existing without being created seems pretty magical, Why? Have you ever witnessed anything being created ever? Something being created is magical. Something always existing should be the most normal thing ever... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 08/07/17 11:31:21 PM #319: |
All that we have ever witnessed, all that exists in this universe, is simply the rearrangement of parts that were already there. It's not farfetched to consider that the parts were always there to begin with.
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Dragonblade01 08/07/17 11:34:08 PM #320: |
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...However you choose to define god: I'm asking you what "god" means to you and why anyone else should go along with it. --- PSN: kazukifafner ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/08/17 12:29:55 PM #321: |
kewldude475 posted...
Hexagon posted...@kewldude475 posted...I don't believe matter, planets, and living organisms can come from nothing, much less a giant, random explosion, so atheism is totally out of the question for me lol. I'll believe in a god long before ever believing explosions can create matter and life out of literally nothing What you're describing has nothing to do with accepted theories and you're showing a serious lack of understanding of how it is said to have happened. This is what causes religion in the first place. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lathissamus 08/08/17 12:31:03 PM #322: |
Don't know. The new thing is gender arguments.
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/08/17 12:33:41 PM #323: |
kewldude475 posted...
Hexagon posted...kewldude475 posted...Okay, explain how I don't know what I'm talking about since you're apparently an expert on the Big Bang Theory. Oh wait, you're just attempting to disparage me without actually coming up with a half-decent argument. It's 2017 bro, do better, nobody is dumb enough to fall for that tactic lmao You're misusing the word nothing. Science actually literally rejects the idea that "things can come from nothing" and even the very notion of nothing itself. Again, the only argument you are making is the argument that you don't understand the subject you are arguing against. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/08/17 12:36:52 PM #324: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
kewldude475 posted...Hexagon posted...@kewldude475 posted...I don't believe matter, planets, and living organisms can come from nothing, much less a giant, random explosion, so atheism is totally out of the question for me lol. I'll believe in a god long before ever believing explosions can create matter and life out of literally nothing That's all I was trying to say to him as well. It would be smart to learn about the subject if he wanted to argue against it. Instead he just said "if you don't teach me then you're wrong" which is about the most childish and ignorant thing you can do. Best part is the victim complex that were attacking him because he's religious... --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordZangetsu_LZ 08/08/17 2:55:42 PM #325: |
So basically this thread has been reduced to "my stupid theory is less stupid than your stupid theory so you're wrong."
alrighty then --- "The Bible has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies." -Mark Twain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MysticMismagius 08/08/17 5:50:19 PM #326: |
@ImTheMacheteGuy
Bro, you've been telling this dude "You don't understand how the Big Bang theory" works for quite a while now. I get that you're trying to point out the personal incredulity fallacy, but if you want an effective discussion about this you either need to explain it to him, or present some sources that can explain it to him. That way, we can get past the part where he doesn't understand what it means and reach the part where he argues against it from an informed position. --- I'm not very good at this... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GameofWheels 08/08/17 6:12:12 PM #327: |
According to the theories of physics, if we were to look at the Universe one second after the Big Bang, what we would see is a 10-billion degree sea of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos. Then, as time went on, we would see the Universe cool, the neutrons either decaying into protons and electrons or combining with protons to make deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). As it continued to cool, it would eventually reach the temperature where electrons combined with nuclei to form neutral atoms. Before this "recombination" occurred, the Universe would have been opaque because the free electrons would have caused light (photons) to scatter the way sunlight scatters from the water droplets in clouds. But when the free electrons were absorbed to form neutral atoms, the Universe suddenly became transparent. Those same photons - the afterglow of the Big Bang known as cosmic background radiation - can be observed today. https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang Astronomers think that the Universe started with the Big Bang. As with all science, this is based on evidence; so what is the evidence for the Big Bang theory? Very early in its history, the whole Universe was very hot. As it expanded, this heat left behind a "glow" that fills the entire Universe. The Big Bang theory not only predicts that this glow should exist, but that it should be visible as microwaves - part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum. http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/learn/astro/cosmos/bigbang/bb_evid And here's a video from PBS https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/ess05.sci.ess.eiu.microwave/evidence-for-the-big-bang-theory/ Since no one else is explaining anything --- I'm Gameofwheels. Not Gameofchills. FC: 3196 5348 2859 PSN: Gameofwheels ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/08/17 6:14:25 PM #328: |
MysticMismagius posted...
@ImTheMacheteGuy I'm on my phone and at work. He has more convenient access to Wikipedia at this point than I do probably. If he doesn't trust what's on there, he can click on the sources at the bottom of the article(s). --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/08/17 6:28:30 PM #329: |
GameofWheels posted...
According to the theories of physics, if we were to look at the Universe one second after the Big Bang, what we would see is a 10-billion degree sea of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos. Then, as time went on, we would see the Universe cool, the neutrons either decaying into protons and electrons or combining with protons to make deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). As it continued to cool, it would eventually reach the temperature where electrons combined with nuclei to form neutral atoms. Before this "recombination" occurred, the Universe would have been opaque because the free electrons would have caused light (photons) to scatter the way sunlight scatters from the water droplets in clouds. But when the free electrons were absorbed to form neutral atoms, the Universe suddenly became transparent. Those same photons - the afterglow of the Big Bang known as cosmic background radiation - can be observed today. Much appreciated. Here you go @kewldude475 I fully admit I approached the situation poorly. When I first mentioned cosmic microwave background and he told me to explain it in detail to him I felt it would be useless. If he cared to actually read about it to structure a better argument he would have took the 10 seconds to plug it into google himself. I applaud you though, I'm far too cynical towards the willful ignorance CE displays these days. I'm fully aware that's a terrible mindset and I'm part of the problem though. @GameofWheels --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GameofWheels 08/08/17 7:20:51 PM #330: |
I just got tired of the back and forth that was going nowhere and was bored at work. Trust me this too nothing out of my day lol @Zeeak4444
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JohnLennon6 08/08/17 10:02:19 PM #331: |
Dragonblade01 posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...Dragonblade01 posted...However you choose to define god: Because we have faith. --- Blue Lives Matter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/08/17 10:04:57 PM #332: |
GameofWheels posted...
I just got tired of the back and forth that was going nowhere and was bored at work. Trust me this too nothing out of my day lol @Zeeak4444 I know exactly what you mean on both points haha, still appreciated though. Here's hoping that will lead to some interesting counterpoints/arguments. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hear_ye 08/08/17 10:07:29 PM #333: |
No not really, atheism was popular so people could 'stand out'. Now, all you have to do to stand out is believe a child should have a father and mother or something like that.
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JohnLennon6 08/08/17 10:13:28 PM #334: |
hear_ye posted...
No not really, atheism was popular so people could 'stand out'. Now, all you have to do to stand out is believe a child should have a father and mother or something like that. Or insist that there are only 2 genders. --- Blue Lives Matter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GameofWheels 08/08/17 11:22:07 PM #335: |
hear_ye posted...
No not really, atheism was popular so people could 'stand out'. Now, all you have to do to stand out is believe a child should have a father and mother or something like that. Or being a complete loser who completely deletes thousands of years of history of a religious belief. --- I'm Gameofwheels. Not Gameofchills. FC: 3196 5348 2859 PSN: Gameofwheels ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/09/17 10:17:24 AM #336: |
JohnLennon6 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...VaniIIa Coke posted...Dragonblade01 posted...However you choose to define god: Hahahahahha this user --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShadowElite86 08/09/17 11:00:20 AM #337: |
God is real. God isn't real. Who the fuck cares?
I'm Catholic and my wife is Atheist. She respects my beliefs and I respect hers. Why can't others do the same? --- GT: ShadowElite86 FFBE: 411,656,473 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Deadpool 08/09/17 11:46:58 AM #338: |
ShadowElite86 posted...
God is real. God isn't real. Who the fuck cares? I don't remember anyone talking about respecting your beliefs or not. We are simply talking about it being correct or incorrect. --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 08/09/17 12:07:43 PM #339: |
ShadowElite86 posted...
God is real. God isn't real. Who the fuck cares? It can make a pretty big difference in how we organize our society and the sorts of things that we value. --- PSN: kazukifafner ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VaniIIa Coke 08/09/17 9:39:48 PM #340: |
Hexagon posted...
@kewldude475so atheism is totally out of the question for me lol. I'll believe in a god long before ever believing explosions can create matter and life out of literally nothingMatter coming from nothing seems just as magical as a diety existing, to me. There's at least equal chance of a god existing to me atheism or game. pick one. xD --- ~Reward your curiosity~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VaniIIa Coke 08/09/17 10:25:47 PM #341: |
GameofWheels posted...
According to the theories of physics, if we were to look at the Universe one second after the Big Bang, what we would see is a 10-billion degree sea of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos. Then, as time went on, we would see the Universe cool, the neutrons either decaying into protons and electrons or combining with protons to make deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). As it continued to cool, it would eventually reach the temperature where electrons combined with nuclei to form neutral atoms. Before this "recombination" occurred, the Universe would have been opaque because the free electrons would have caused light (photons) to scatter the way sunlight scatters from the water droplets in clouds. But when the free electrons were absorbed to form neutral atoms, the Universe suddenly became transparent. Those same photons - the afterglow of the Big Bang known as cosmic background radiation - can be observed today. What's the cause tho? Everyone agrees with the initial event of creation. The cause is what came before. Your answer in willful ignorance: Nothing. Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. --- ~Reward your curiosity~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Deadpool 08/09/17 10:33:51 PM #342: |
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. As opposed to magic Man. Although the question is why do think there's a cause? --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GameofWheels 08/09/17 10:34:24 PM #343: |
Magic Rocks He says unironically believing in an invisible man in the sky. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but now I know that you're just an idiot. --- I'm Gameofwheels. Not Gameofchills. FC: 3196 5348 2859 PSN: Gameofwheels ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeeak4444 08/09/17 10:34:55 PM #344: |
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. He's gotta be trolling. There was no reason to bump the topic. We should just let it die. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 08/10/17 2:06:37 AM #345: |
"Magic rocks" is literally fake news. Out of 7.5ish billion people on the planet, from violent militant atheistic anarchist psychopaths to the far right of religious extremes like westboro and what Isis claims to be...
Literally 0 of said ~7.5billion people believe "magic rocks" vanilla coke more like peppermint dog food mtn. dew... equally as real. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dash_Harber 08/10/17 2:17:56 AM #346: |
Is this still going on? What is there left to argue.
Some people (like myself) don't agree with any particular religion and don't see any evidence of a deity. Some people do. That's okay too, so long as they don't push it on others. What the hell else should we talk about? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 08/10/17 6:21:30 AM #347: |
Dash_Harber posted...
Is this still going on? What is there left to argue. Vanilla Coke acting like he has all the answers and as if his arbitrary definition of god is the correct one, yet at this point can't even be arsed to explain himself --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VaniIIa Coke 08/10/17 8:15:37 AM #348: |
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. Lmao magic man? God is not man. God is God. Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God? --- ~Reward your curiosity~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Deadpool 08/10/17 9:07:39 AM #349: |
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God? I don't assume cause for things that don't exist. Why do you assume cause for matter and energy? We already know matter and energy can't be created nor destroyed... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordZangetsu_LZ 08/10/17 12:23:57 PM #350: |
VaniIIa Coke posted...
The Deadpool posted...VaniIIa Coke posted...Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. God is God. Wow. That explains it. --- "The Bible has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies." -Mark Twain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Twin3Turbo 08/10/17 12:39:24 PM #351: |
LordZangetsu_LZ posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...The Deadpool posted...VaniIIa Coke posted...Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. Man he cleared that age old question up just like that! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VaniIIa Coke 08/10/17 7:49:23 PM #352: |
LordZangetsu_LZ posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...The Deadpool posted...VaniIIa Coke posted...Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. God is something besides God, pshh that's a lie. Have some common sense you dolt. --- ~Reward your curiosity~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VaniIIa Coke 08/10/17 7:50:32 PM #353: |
Twin3Turbo posted...
LordZangetsu_LZ posted...VaniIIa Coke posted...The Deadpool posted...VaniIIa Coke posted...Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid. You are a genius too. --- ~Reward your curiosity~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VaniIIa Coke 08/10/17 8:06:19 PM #354: |
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God? So you treat energy like God? This is why I have absolutely no respect for atheists. They complain about shit, and then do the same shit with a different label. Difference being I'm not complaining about what I'm doing. Athiests bitch about what I do then utilize the same logic while cherry picking subtraction of God. In an infinite universe, I keep open all possibilities that the ambiguity of God holds true and honest to. --- ~Reward your curiosity~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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