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Zeeak4444
08/07/17 10:19:30 PM
#305:


kewldude475 posted...
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Anyways, I'm out. Have fun atheists.


Sorry you're too simple to partake in the discussion.

That would be you, buddy. you're the one with no counterargument. try harder, please, I'm getting bored


disprove cosmic microwave background..

Hell describe it to me. Do that and I'll concede every post I made.

@kewldude475 I'll wait.

How about you just explain it to me, and how it makes something come from nothing. I'll wait. you're the one who brought it up, so you explain it. You got the game backwards little dude. I won't be back for a while so take as much time as you need.


@kewldude475

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Zeeak4444
08/07/17 10:20:02 PM
#306:


The Deadpool posted...
kewldude475 posted...
I'll believe that a deity that always existed


If you accept that something can exist without being created, what's wrong with matter and energy always existing?

As far as we can tell matter and energy can neither be destroyed nor created, it just changes form. Why shouldn't it just have always been like that?


He doesn't understand that...
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Zeeak4444
08/07/17 10:31:40 PM
#309:


Lol willful ignorance is the worst.

Enjoy telling people how the Big Bang is magic turning nothing into rocks through a big explosion lmao.
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Hexagon
08/07/17 10:42:44 PM
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Something existing without being created seems pretty magical, god-like even.


Why does this belief continue to exist. Do people not realize that the only things that they know to have a "creator" only exist on earth like reproduction of organisms, cars, buildings, etc. But leaves literally the entire universe except a couple of things you've seen on earth to either not have a creator or you don't know. It's entirely rational that everything doesn't have a creator except people, cars, tin cans, watches, and fidget spinners. Unless you believe in a god, there are literally more things in the universe that don't have a creator, then those that do.
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Hexagon
08/07/17 10:53:07 PM
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kewldude475 posted...
Hexagon posted...
Something existing without being created seems pretty magical, god-like even.


Why does this belief continue to exist. Do people not realize that the only things that they know to have a "creator" only exist on earth like reproduction of organisms, cars, buildings, etc. But leaves literally the entire universe except a couple of things you've seen on earth to either not have a creator or you don't know. It's entirely rational that everything doesn't have a creator except people, cars, tin cans, watches, and fidget spinners. Unless you believe in a god, there are literally more things in the universe that don't have a creator, then those that do.

Things like what? What are the "things in the universe that don't have a creator" you speak of?


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The Deadpool
08/07/17 11:24:08 PM
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kewldude475 posted...
Something existing without being created seems pretty magical,


Why? Have you ever witnessed anything being created ever?

Something being created is magical. Something always existing should be the most normal thing ever...
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Dragonblade01
08/07/17 11:31:21 PM
#319:


All that we have ever witnessed, all that exists in this universe, is simply the rearrangement of parts that were already there. It's not farfetched to consider that the parts were always there to begin with.
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Dragonblade01
08/07/17 11:34:08 PM
#320:


VaniIIa Coke posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
However you choose to define god:

Why should we believe that god exists?

And why should we use that definition?


If you think the value of God is irrelevant, I want to know what the hell you are actually trying to understand.

On that note, how are you asking an honest question while using a variable. Variables are liable to change.

I'm asking you what "god" means to you and why anyone else should go along with it.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/08/17 12:29:55 PM
#321:


kewldude475 posted...
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@kewldude475 posted...
I don't believe matter, planets, and living organisms can come from nothing, much less a giant, random explosion, so atheism is totally out of the question for me lol. I'll believe in a god long before ever believing explosions can create matter and life out of literally nothing


But you'd rather believe in a deity that came from nothing? Oh what's that? There's more to it? God didn't really come from nothing? Well good, nothing you said is true of atheism either.


I'll believe that a deity that always existed, or that doesn't exist inside our perception and definition of time created the universe before I believe rocks can literally appear out of thin air for no reason. Or better yet, things being created by an explosion (lol). Yeah not gunna happen. Seems more plausible to me than planets capable of sustaining life being created randomly by an explosion. I'm sorry bro I just can't believe rocks can appear out of thin air (or better yet no air since it was in space) and that everything we have now is all random.


What you're describing has nothing to do with accepted theories and you're showing a serious lack of understanding of how it is said to have happened. This is what causes religion in the first place.
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Lathissamus
08/08/17 12:31:03 PM
#322:


Don't know. The new thing is gender arguments.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/08/17 12:33:41 PM
#323:


kewldude475 posted...
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kewldude475 posted...
Okay, explain how I don't know what I'm talking about since you're apparently an expert on the Big Bang Theory. Oh wait, you're just attempting to disparage me without actually coming up with a half-decent argument. It's 2017 bro, do better, nobody is dumb enough to fall for that tactic lmao


Imagine being this ignorant and thinking that you're not an atheist unless you believe in the big bang theory.

Okay, in which case, I don't believe something, much less matter, complex life forms, and planets, come from nothing, and I'd place my bet on intelligent design, personally.


You're misusing the word nothing. Science actually literally rejects the idea that "things can come from nothing" and even the very notion of nothing itself. Again, the only argument you are making is the argument that you don't understand the subject you are arguing against.
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Zeeak4444
08/08/17 12:36:52 PM
#324:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
kewldude475 posted...
Hexagon posted...
@kewldude475 posted...
I don't believe matter, planets, and living organisms can come from nothing, much less a giant, random explosion, so atheism is totally out of the question for me lol. I'll believe in a god long before ever believing explosions can create matter and life out of literally nothing


But you'd rather believe in a deity that came from nothing? Oh what's that? There's more to it? God didn't really come from nothing? Well good, nothing you said is true of atheism either.


I'll believe that a deity that always existed, or that doesn't exist inside our perception and definition of time created the universe before I believe rocks can literally appear out of thin air for no reason. Or better yet, things being created by an explosion (lol). Yeah not gunna happen. Seems more plausible to me than planets capable of sustaining life being created randomly by an explosion. I'm sorry bro I just can't believe rocks can appear out of thin air (or better yet no air since it was in space) and that everything we have now is all random.


What you're describing has nothing to do with accepted theories and you're showing a serious lack of understanding of how it is said to have happened. This is what causes religion in the first place.


That's all I was trying to say to him as well.

It would be smart to learn about the subject if he wanted to argue against it.

Instead he just said "if you don't teach me then you're wrong" which is about the most childish and ignorant thing you can do.

Best part is the victim complex that were attacking him because he's religious...
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LordZangetsu_LZ
08/08/17 2:55:42 PM
#325:


So basically this thread has been reduced to "my stupid theory is less stupid than your stupid theory so you're wrong."


alrighty then
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MysticMismagius
08/08/17 5:50:19 PM
#326:


@ImTheMacheteGuy

Bro, you've been telling this dude "You don't understand how the Big Bang theory" works for quite a while now. I get that you're trying to point out the personal incredulity fallacy, but if you want an effective discussion about this you either need to explain it to him, or present some sources that can explain it to him. That way, we can get past the part where he doesn't understand what it means and reach the part where he argues against it from an informed position.
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GameofWheels
08/08/17 6:12:12 PM
#327:


According to the theories of physics, if we were to look at the Universe one second after the Big Bang, what we would see is a 10-billion degree sea of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos. Then, as time went on, we would see the Universe cool, the neutrons either decaying into protons and electrons or combining with protons to make deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). As it continued to cool, it would eventually reach the temperature where electrons combined with nuclei to form neutral atoms. Before this "recombination" occurred, the Universe would have been opaque because the free electrons would have caused light (photons) to scatter the way sunlight scatters from the water droplets in clouds. But when the free electrons were absorbed to form neutral atoms, the Universe suddenly became transparent. Those same photons - the afterglow of the Big Bang known as cosmic background radiation - can be observed today.

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang
Astronomers think that the Universe started with the Big Bang. As with all science, this is based on evidence; so what is the evidence for the Big Bang theory? Very early in its history, the whole Universe was very hot. As it expanded, this heat left behind a "glow" that fills the entire Universe. The Big Bang theory not only predicts that this glow should exist, but that it should be visible as microwaves - part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum.

This is the Cosmic Microwave Background which has been accurately measured by orbiting detectors, and is very good evidence that the Big Bang theory is correct.

http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/learn/astro/cosmos/bigbang/bb_evid

And here's a video from PBS
https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/ess05.sci.ess.eiu.microwave/evidence-for-the-big-bang-theory/

Since no one else is explaining anything
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/08/17 6:14:25 PM
#328:


MysticMismagius posted...
@ImTheMacheteGuy

Bro, you've been telling this dude "You don't understand how the Big Bang theory" works for quite a while now. I get that you're trying to point out the personal incredulity fallacy, but if you want an effective discussion about this you either need to explain it to him, or present some sources that can explain it to him. That way, we can get past the part where he doesn't understand what it means and reach the part where he argues against it from an informed position.


I'm on my phone and at work. He has more convenient access to Wikipedia at this point than I do probably. If he doesn't trust what's on there, he can click on the sources at the bottom of the article(s).
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Zeeak4444
08/08/17 6:28:30 PM
#329:


GameofWheels posted...
According to the theories of physics, if we were to look at the Universe one second after the Big Bang, what we would see is a 10-billion degree sea of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos. Then, as time went on, we would see the Universe cool, the neutrons either decaying into protons and electrons or combining with protons to make deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). As it continued to cool, it would eventually reach the temperature where electrons combined with nuclei to form neutral atoms. Before this "recombination" occurred, the Universe would have been opaque because the free electrons would have caused light (photons) to scatter the way sunlight scatters from the water droplets in clouds. But when the free electrons were absorbed to form neutral atoms, the Universe suddenly became transparent. Those same photons - the afterglow of the Big Bang known as cosmic background radiation - can be observed today.

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang
Astronomers think that the Universe started with the Big Bang. As with all science, this is based on evidence; so what is the evidence for the Big Bang theory? Very early in its history, the whole Universe was very hot. As it expanded, this heat left behind a "glow" that fills the entire Universe. The Big Bang theory not only predicts that this glow should exist, but that it should be visible as microwaves - part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum.

This is the Cosmic Microwave Background which has been accurately measured by orbiting detectors, and is very good evidence that the Big Bang theory is correct.

http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/learn/astro/cosmos/bigbang/bb_evid

And here's a video from PBS
https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/ess05.sci.ess.eiu.microwave/evidence-for-the-big-bang-theory/

Since no one else is explaining anything


Much appreciated. Here you go @kewldude475

I fully admit I approached the situation poorly.

When I first mentioned cosmic microwave background and he told me to explain it in detail to him I felt it would be useless. If he cared to actually read about it to structure a better argument he would have took the 10 seconds to plug it into google himself.

I applaud you though, I'm far too cynical towards the willful ignorance CE displays these days. I'm fully aware that's a terrible mindset and I'm part of the problem though.

@GameofWheels
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GameofWheels
08/08/17 7:20:51 PM
#330:


I just got tired of the back and forth that was going nowhere and was bored at work. Trust me this too nothing out of my day lol @Zeeak4444
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JohnLennon6
08/08/17 10:02:19 PM
#331:


Dragonblade01 posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
However you choose to define god:

Why should we believe that god exists?

And why should we use that definition?


If you think the value of God is irrelevant, I want to know what the hell you are actually trying to understand.

On that note, how are you asking an honest question while using a variable. Variables are liable to change.

I'm asking you what "god" means to you and why anyone else should go along with it.

Because we have faith.
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Zeeak4444
08/08/17 10:04:57 PM
#332:


GameofWheels posted...
I just got tired of the back and forth that was going nowhere and was bored at work. Trust me this too nothing out of my day lol @Zeeak4444


I know exactly what you mean on both points haha, still appreciated though.

Here's hoping that will lead to some interesting counterpoints/arguments.
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hear_ye
08/08/17 10:07:29 PM
#333:


No not really, atheism was popular so people could 'stand out'. Now, all you have to do to stand out is believe a child should have a father and mother or something like that.
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JohnLennon6
08/08/17 10:13:28 PM
#334:


hear_ye posted...
No not really, atheism was popular so people could 'stand out'. Now, all you have to do to stand out is believe a child should have a father and mother or something like that.

Or insist that there are only 2 genders.
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GameofWheels
08/08/17 11:22:07 PM
#335:


hear_ye posted...
No not really, atheism was popular so people could 'stand out'. Now, all you have to do to stand out is believe a child should have a father and mother or something like that.

Or being a complete loser who completely deletes thousands of years of history of a religious belief.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/09/17 10:17:24 AM
#336:


JohnLennon6 posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
However you choose to define god:

Why should we believe that god exists?

And why should we use that definition?


If you think the value of God is irrelevant, I want to know what the hell you are actually trying to understand.

On that note, how are you asking an honest question while using a variable. Variables are liable to change.

I'm asking you what "god" means to you and why anyone else should go along with it.

Because we have faith.


Hahahahahha this user
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ShadowElite86
08/09/17 11:00:20 AM
#337:


God is real. God isn't real. Who the fuck cares?

I'm Catholic and my wife is Atheist. She respects my beliefs and I respect hers.

Why can't others do the same?
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The Deadpool
08/09/17 11:46:58 AM
#338:


ShadowElite86 posted...
God is real. God isn't real. Who the fuck cares?

I'm Catholic and my wife is Atheist. She respects my beliefs and I respect hers.

Why can't others do the same?


I don't remember anyone talking about respecting your beliefs or not.

We are simply talking about it being correct or incorrect.
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Dragonblade01
08/09/17 12:07:43 PM
#339:


ShadowElite86 posted...
God is real. God isn't real. Who the fuck cares?

I'm Catholic and my wife is Atheist. She respects my beliefs and I respect hers.

Why can't others do the same?

It can make a pretty big difference in how we organize our society and the sorts of things that we value.
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VaniIIa Coke
08/09/17 9:39:48 PM
#340:


Hexagon posted...
@kewldude475

so atheism is totally out of the question for me lol. I'll believe in a god long before ever believing explosions can create matter and life out of literally nothing


Matter coming from nothing seems just as magical as a diety existing, to me. There's at least equal chance of a god existing to me


You just contradicted yourself pretty quickly. I honestly expected more game from you.


atheism or game. pick one.

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VaniIIa Coke
08/09/17 10:25:47 PM
#341:


GameofWheels posted...
According to the theories of physics, if we were to look at the Universe one second after the Big Bang, what we would see is a 10-billion degree sea of neutrons, protons, electrons, anti-electrons (positrons), photons, and neutrinos. Then, as time went on, we would see the Universe cool, the neutrons either decaying into protons and electrons or combining with protons to make deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). As it continued to cool, it would eventually reach the temperature where electrons combined with nuclei to form neutral atoms. Before this "recombination" occurred, the Universe would have been opaque because the free electrons would have caused light (photons) to scatter the way sunlight scatters from the water droplets in clouds. But when the free electrons were absorbed to form neutral atoms, the Universe suddenly became transparent. Those same photons - the afterglow of the Big Bang known as cosmic background radiation - can be observed today.

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-powered-the-big-bang
Astronomers think that the Universe started with the Big Bang. As with all science, this is based on evidence; so what is the evidence for the Big Bang theory? Very early in its history, the whole Universe was very hot. As it expanded, this heat left behind a "glow" that fills the entire Universe. The Big Bang theory not only predicts that this glow should exist, but that it should be visible as microwaves - part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum.

This is the Cosmic Microwave Background which has been accurately measured by orbiting detectors, and is very good evidence that the Big Bang theory is correct.

http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/learn/astro/cosmos/bigbang/bb_evid

And here's a video from PBS
https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/ess05.sci.ess.eiu.microwave/evidence-for-the-big-bang-theory/

Since no one else is explaining anything


What's the cause tho? Everyone agrees with the initial event of creation. The cause is what came before.

Your answer in willful ignorance: Nothing.

Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.
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The Deadpool
08/09/17 10:33:51 PM
#342:


VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?
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GameofWheels
08/09/17 10:34:24 PM
#343:


Magic Rocks

He says unironically believing in an invisible man in the sky. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but now I know that you're just an idiot.
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Zeeak4444
08/09/17 10:34:55 PM
#344:


The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?


He's gotta be trolling.

There was no reason to bump the topic.

We should just let it die.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/10/17 2:06:37 AM
#345:


"Magic rocks" is literally fake news. Out of 7.5ish billion people on the planet, from violent militant atheistic anarchist psychopaths to the far right of religious extremes like westboro and what Isis claims to be...

Literally 0 of said ~7.5billion people believe "magic rocks"

vanilla coke more like peppermint dog food mtn. dew... equally as real.
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Dash_Harber
08/10/17 2:17:56 AM
#346:


Is this still going on? What is there left to argue.

Some people (like myself) don't agree with any particular religion and don't see any evidence of a deity. Some people do. That's okay too, so long as they don't push it on others. What the hell else should we talk about?
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Twin3Turbo
08/10/17 6:21:30 AM
#347:


Dash_Harber posted...
Is this still going on? What is there left to argue.

Some people (like myself) don't agree with any particular religion and don't see any evidence of a deity. Some people do. That's okay too, so long as they don't push it on others. What the hell else should we talk about?

Vanilla Coke acting like he has all the answers and as if his arbitrary definition of god is the correct one, yet at this point can't even be arsed to explain himself
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VaniIIa Coke
08/10/17 8:15:37 AM
#348:


The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?


Lmao magic man?

God is not man. God is God.

Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?
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The Deadpool
08/10/17 9:07:39 AM
#349:


VaniIIa Coke posted...
Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?


I don't assume cause for things that don't exist.

Why do you assume cause for matter and energy? We already know matter and energy can't be created nor destroyed...
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LordZangetsu_LZ
08/10/17 12:23:57 PM
#350:


VaniIIa Coke posted...
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?


Lmao magic man?

God is not man. God is God.

Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?

God is God. Wow. That explains it.
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Twin3Turbo
08/10/17 12:39:24 PM
#351:


LordZangetsu_LZ posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?


Lmao magic man?

God is not man. God is God.

Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?

God is God. Wow. That explains it.

Man he cleared that age old question up just like that!
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VaniIIa Coke
08/10/17 7:49:23 PM
#352:


LordZangetsu_LZ posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?


Lmao magic man?

God is not man. God is God.

Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?

God is God. Wow. That explains it.


God is something besides God, pshh that's a lie. Have some common sense you dolt.
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VaniIIa Coke
08/10/17 7:50:32 PM
#353:


Twin3Turbo posted...
LordZangetsu_LZ posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
The Deadpool posted...
VaniIIa Coke posted...
Great explaination lmao. Magic rocks, this is laughably stupid.


As opposed to magic Man.

Although the question is why do think there's a cause?


Lmao magic man?

God is not man. God is God.

Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?

God is God. Wow. That explains it.

Man he cleared that age old question up just like that!


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VaniIIa Coke
08/10/17 8:06:19 PM
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Why do you no cause for an explosion, but assume cause for God?


I don't assume cause for things that don't exist.

Why do you assume cause for matter and energy? We already know matter and energy can't be created nor destroyed...


So you treat energy like God? This is why I have absolutely no respect for atheists. They complain about shit, and then do the same shit with a different label. Difference being I'm not complaining about what I'm doing.

Athiests bitch about what I do then utilize the same logic while cherry picking subtraction of God. In an infinite universe, I keep open all possibilities that the ambiguity of God holds true and honest to.
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