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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 10:07:22 PM #1: |
Fox McCloud, Elma, the Wonderful 100, Knuckles, Mega Man, Zeratul and Eddie have challenged Archer, Ryu3, Cloud, Lightning, Lilith, Terra and Nilin to a fight! Location of the fight: The Leaking Brain - A dive located in Deep-Paris, in the structure of a boat. The boat, as well as all nearby shacks and walkways are accessible. Attackers will start by the turbine, while defenders will start behind the bar.. Which side will win?
Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. - "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting - Bold your votes (using bold HTML tags). - You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. - Leaders cannot vote for their own teams (and players from the same pool may not vote as well), but they are free to argue their case. - If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. - This match will end in 24 hours. - The following conventions are in use for match topics: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427 Knuckles is as he appears in the Sonic games, an echidna who can glide along with his trademark strength, punching, and digging abilities. He and the Wonderful 100 have all of the knowledge and experience that comes from starring in Star Fox 64, and are piloting Arwings as seen in that game as well. He has been given a Tiny Wonder Mask by the Wonderful 100. Mega Man is as seen in Mega Man Series. He has access to his Mega Buster, his Magnet Beam, all of his weapons from the mainline Mega Man series (1-10) aside from the Time Stopper, Flash Stopper, Gravity Hold, Centaur Flash and Astro Crush and his moveset from Marvel vs Capcom 2, but may only use his hypers if he has enough meter and the necessary robots are present. He also has a variety of weapons based on his defeated foes, allowing him to use Red Lightning Hose and Blade Beam. Eddie is as he appears in the mainline Mega Man series. He is carrying one E-Tank, and will attempt to remain hidden until Mega Man is low on health, at which point he will attempt to give him the E-Tank. Zeratul is as he appears in the Starcraft series and Heroes of the Storm, with all of his skills other than Void Prison. He will be permanently invisible, detectable only by the shimmer of light refracting against his cloak. Elma is as she is seen in Xenoblade Chronicles X in her mimeosome, a max level Full Metal Jaguar with all of her arts and skills fully upgraded. She has a Verus Cain skell, outfitted with its default Machine Gun, B-Claw, G Buster, SHD-Ray, Lasergun, and Grenade, along with a Beamsaber, Cracker-FL, Minigun, and Shield. Fox McCloud is as he appears in the Star Fox series, piloting the fully upgraded Arwing in all-range mode as seen in Star Fox 64 in from the nearest convenient location to his team. He has no bombs. He may leave the cockpit but will only have his Blaster from Star Fox: Assault if he does so. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 10:08:28 PM #2: |
The Wonderful 100 are as they appear in their on-foot Unlimited Form in The Wonderful 101, with Red, Blue, Green, Pink, Yellow, White, Black, Vorkken, Chewgi, Immorta, and 90 civilians that are equipped with Tiny Wonder Masks. They have all their techniques (except Hero Block), moves, upgrades, and custom blocks (except Ukemi). They don't have any additional Tiny Wonder Masks.
~VS~ Ryu is as seen in the endgame of Breath of Fire 3, equipped with the Royal Sword, Divine Helm, Laquer Shield, and Shaman's Ring, and has combined the genes of Dante, Zeratul, and Kain to create a powerful Dragon hybrid form with aspects from the three. He may freely transform between normal and dragon form, and has all abilities except for Raise Dead and Resurrect, master skills, or enemy skills. He also has a Thunder-based breath/claw attack, as well as a 105% boost to all parameters. He may cast Blood Shower as seen in Blood Omen, may access Devil Trigger for 10 seconds every 5 minutes in battle and will be permanently invisible, detectable only by the shimmer of light refracting against his cloak. Nilin is as she appears in Remember Me, fully upgraded with all of her Pressens and S-Pressens apart from Sensen RIP. She has been assigned to push Archer's wheelchair around, prioritizing the safety of the wheelchair-bound merc above all else. Cloud Strife is as seen in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, with access to the First Tsurugi and any abilities/skills granted by that equipment. He additionally has access to all magic (green) FF7 materia and his wing from Kingdom Hearts. Terra is as she appears in Dissidia and at the end of FF6A, equipped with full Genji armour, Apocalypse, a Hero Ring, and a Gold Hairpin. She has all her natural magic, as well as those gained from Unicorn and Bahamut, including Raise. She does not, however, have Arise, Teleport, Break, Graviga, or Meltdown. She can enter Trance form at any time for 30 seconds (which also grants her access to EX mode), although it will go on cooldown for 2 minutes upon ending. Archer is as seen in Fate/Stay Night's Unlimited Blade Works route. He may project Kanshou and Bakuya, Caladbolg, and his bow, as well as any other weapon seen in this fight, but may not project anything else. He may not use his Reality Marble, nor turn incorporeal and may be affected by conventional weapons despite his status as a servant. He will be confined to a wheelchair and braindead for the first minute of battle, returning to his normal self after that much time has passed. He will start the fight next to Zeratul, viciously uppercut by him. Lightning is as she appears in the endgame of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with a schemata set-up featuring a balance of her strongest physical, magical and debuffing skills and equipment, and with limited use of Curaga. She will arrive a minute and a half late to battle. She will benefit from a 50% boost to all parameters for as long as Lilith remains alive. Lilith is as she appears during the events of Borderlands 2, fully adapted to her Eridium-enhanced powers. She has fully mastered the Controller skill tree, and is equipped with the HellFire, Baby Maker and Tsunami SMGs, the Cobra, Penetrator and Lyuda sniper rifles and the Flame of the Firehawk shield, with Corrosive ammo for the Penetrator and Slag ammo for the rest. She cannot mass teleport mercs or objects. She has been given Cloud's motorcycle, Fenrir, for her to ride on. She will benefit from a 100% boost to all parameters for as long as Lightning remains alive. --- Incoming Arwing spam from the rear! Drop altitude! FIGHT! --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 10:08:44 PM #3: |
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:09:23 PM #4: |
http://www.magic4walls.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Un-born-Paris-The-leaking-brain.jpg
This is the terrain. The bar is on the boat somewhere and the turbine is the back of the boat where well the turbine would be if I am understanding the walkthrough videos I just watched correctly. Its more like a small shitty town than a dive bar like the writeup errantly suggests. So while there are some decent sniping spots for Lilith, the fleet is pretty well set up to go All-Range Mode all over the opposing teams asses. This time they all have experience flying these things as though they were Fox himself. And of course there is Fox himself. And even if the arwings get in trouble I hear tell from Ganon that the 100 are "pretty good" and even in cockpit some of their abilities - such as Wonder Blacks ability to slow down time and the various wonder abilitirs to be immune to elemental damage. Also potentially useful is Wonder Yellows ability to find hidden or obscured objects and logically people. Archer and Nilin are starting off right next to this mega team with Archer starting off disabled bound to a wheel chair and Uppercutted by Zeratul. So he's dead between warp blades and Megamans toolkit and Elmas ridiculous arsenal. So in the end you have: Normal Ryu Lilith Lightning Terra Vs 102 Arwings piloted by 102 Fox level pilots, 100 of whom are superheroes also and 101 of whom are rapping about finding their lost piece Elma in the Versus Cain who is able to buff those 102 with a lot of buffs but perhaps most importantly Ghost Factory which gives them all the ability to completely shrug off a few hits. Mega Man with unlimited Blade Beam Spam and Red Lightning Hose and an E Tank A teleporting permanently invisible ninja who will have no problem finding and ganking enemies who hide. Its pretty clear --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 10:09:30 PM #5: |
Tirofog's argument:
This match may appear to be a stomp, but it's closer than it would appear. The terrain is an indoor bar that's somehow been stretched out to fit 102 Arwings with at least 1 yard of space. That's not a lot of wiggle room, and even competent pilots would struggle to keep from crashing into each other. When a chain reaction of Arwing crashes happens, this match will come down to which side is better equipped to handle the carnage, and my team has: -Comatose Archer may be comatose, but he's still tanky! -Lilith is 100% stat boosted and able to Phasewalk away from the damage. -Ryu3 not only has Devil Trigger available to him to heal, he also has Kain's Blood Shower - an AoE life drain move. He's also stealthy and (presumably) can fly away from the crashes that are happening. -Finally, Lightning conveniently arrives a minute and a half late and avoids the carnage and also Aethers any Wonderful 100 members still left after arriving. No one on the opposing team would be able to tank that many Arwing crashes, so I think that survivability is definitely in my favor here. --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 07/20/17 10:12:01 PM #6: |
The Wonderful 100 Can Beat The Enemy Team By Themselves With No Arwings. In fact given the terrain it may actually be easier that way.
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:12:46 PM #7: |
I thought I cancelled Accession. (Knux and his team should be rapping too)
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FFDragon 07/20/17 10:13:13 PM #8: |
Yeah I feel like the optimal strategy for the 101 would actually be to eject and send all the arwings at the other team
and then just deal with lightning when she gets there I just don't know if that's feasible --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:15:46 PM #9: |
Given the way the bar has been stretched and that the rest of the boat is accessible that its not actually a disadvantage at all.
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Mewtwo59 07/20/17 10:16:24 PM #10: |
Eddv posted...
I thought I cancelled Accession. (Knux and his team should be rapping too) Zeratul's passive means you couldn't target Ryu. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GANON1025 07/20/17 10:17:46 PM #11: |
The Wonderful 100 can easily deal with Lightning. Wonder Bomb slows her to basically a standstill, and then they can just do what they want at that point.
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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 10:18:26 PM #12: |
Mewtwo59 posted...
Eddv posted...I thought I cancelled Accession. (Knux and his team should be rapping too) Dis --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:19:28 PM #13: |
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:21:29 PM #14: |
FFDragon posted...
Yeah I feel like the optimal strategy for the 101 would actually be to eject and send all the arwings at the other team I dunno what you mean by feasible but it is allowed by the nature of the writeup(ie no one here is restricted to their cocks pits) --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 07/20/17 10:23:51 PM #15: |
feasible as in it doesn't hellmurder them as well in the carnage
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greengravy294 07/20/17 10:25:47 PM #16: |
archer encountered a bad endo by reverting into shirou..................................... =[
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:26:54 PM #17: |
If you look at the picture of the terrain the whole thing is just made of like shitty wood and shipping containers, the whole thing is probably going to be swiss cheesed and fall apart pretty quickly anyway
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greengravy294 07/20/17 10:27:39 PM #18: |
dont the arwings start in a place that they wont crash by default anyway?
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HeroicGammaRay 07/20/17 10:29:02 PM #19: |
boosted out the ass ryu3 crushes this - awful terrain for the arwings
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:32:23 PM #20: |
greengravy294 posted...
dont the arwings start in a place that they wont crash by default anyway? Yup in from the nearest convenient location to his team. He has no bombs. He may leave the cockpit but will only have his Blaster from Star Fox: Assault if he does so. and again I feel like Ghost Factory bears repeating, its an AoE buff that flat out cancels hits. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Arti 07/20/17 10:37:50 PM #21: |
The Wonderful 102 Arwings
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Lopen 07/20/17 10:43:54 PM #22: |
I feel like Arwings would just smash through this terrain if they're piloting in from the nearest convenient location.
Unless the boat is like some sorta super heavy duty warship Arwings just smash the terrain to bits. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greengravy294 07/20/17 10:44:01 PM #23: |
the wonderful ONE arwing and elma........in her mech after boarding it
thankfully elma has time to get into her mech since i feel like most people could kill massive power gulf regardless. elma + arwing beats this......insane dragon imho (and whatever arwings get off the ground in the sea of 100 arwings as well) --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 07/20/17 10:44:13 PM #24: |
Ok after conferring with Kanz to confirm I am not crazy - I was right Tiro is wrong.
The leaking brain is the ship. The bar is just Nick's bar on the ship. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mewtwo59 07/20/17 10:45:06 PM #25: |
For anyone curious, eddv's team starts here: https://youtu.be/A7XmLSR6I7k?t=32m6s
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Tirofog 07/20/17 10:46:17 PM #26: |
Elma's mech has been destroyed by Lilith's Phase Strike as well.
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Drakeryn 07/20/17 10:56:41 PM #27: |
I feel like most of the arwings are not going to be useful in this situation
like, if they were all being piloted in from the nearest convenient location, they could just carpetbomb the terrain and go home. but here, they all start out parked by the turbine with a yard each of space (per the match conventions). they COULD all take off but that's just asking for a massive pileup/crash. [actually, I am not sure how arwing takeoff works. can an arwing take off straight up into the air, like a helicopter? or is it like an ordinary plane where you need a forward runway, you build up speed, and you take off at an angle? because the latter is kinda bad here] so I think the optimum is for most of them to get out of their arwings and proceed on foot, and just several of them stick to their arwings. they could figure this out in their pre-battle plan, I assume. having said all that, ryu3 is an absolute monster and I'm not entirely sure how they beat him. like he already has a boost from dragon hybrid form, and then a 105% stat boost, and then dante genez + devil trigger + permanent invisibility --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 10:57:00 PM #28: |
Heal the damage heal the extra effect
Precedent exists on this --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 07/20/17 10:59:06 PM #29: |
citation needed
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KanzarisKelshen 07/20/17 11:00:26 PM #30: |
FFDragon posted...
citation needed If the damage from Apocalypse is healed by an effect so too is the stun, similarly to how KO and injure effects won't injure if the KO is healed or prevented (7/19/2016, Week 35-E) Ruling precedent and all --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 07/20/17 11:01:05 PM #31: |
I think the arwings just smash through the turbines and the boat itself
They're 'piloting' them so they can't be outright parked-- they're already in motion. And yeah Arwing is probably more dense and durable than a boat. Basically I see the terrain utterly destroyed very quickly. Some Arwings may biff it but the forwardmost Arwings will clear space for the rear Arwings who will be piloting easier. Also Arwings can gain altitude really easily. The loop move basically goes straight up. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 07/20/17 11:02:44 PM #32: |
Drakeryn posted...
I feel like most of the arwings are not going to be useful in this situation I mean the terrain is big enough that they could probably slowly cycle out from there. I will say that while I dont think Star Fox really has animations for how they take off their vertical steering is REALLY swift and doesn't take a lot of room. https://youtu.be/8o9Czd2Z8L8?t=22s and this is without using the loop move which is of course even more directly vertical --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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greengravy294 07/20/17 11:09:16 PM #33: |
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Ruling :thinking: KanzarisKelshen posted... precedent :thinking: --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 07/20/17 11:24:45 PM #34: |
that's dumb
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Lopen 07/20/17 11:26:27 PM #35: |
Well healing in mercs isn't really like curaga. Otherwise like, using force heal on Peach who'd been hit by Great Aether ain't gonna do anything cause she's dead.
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KJH 07/21/17 12:30:47 AM #36: |
Team W100.
That's a lot of arwings they don't even need. Just hop out of them and Unite Hand to make themselves immune to fire (if the arwings are somehow exploding), and they can also Unite Sword to nullify Ryu3's electric breath attack. It's pretty easy to do either given all they need is 10 people left of their 100 to manage either one. --- You can't live without a spinal cord, son. Nothing unnatural about that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Triofrog 07/21/17 1:06:55 AM #37: |
Just curious, how tanky are each of the W100? Can they survive an Aether from (a possibly boosted) Lightning?
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Eddv 07/21/17 1:09:38 AM #38: |
Each and every one of them is a superhero.
That said that damage was also pre-healed by soul voice and doesnt appear in thebmatch writeup for that reason. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tirofog 07/21/17 11:29:55 AM #39: |
Blimp
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Johnbobb 07/21/17 11:48:44 AM #40: |
I give 100% stat boosted Lillith a LOT of respect
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StealThisSheen 07/21/17 12:06:15 PM #41: |
So many Arwings
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Gatarix 07/21/17 3:28:54 PM #42: |
Ryu3, destroyer of worlds
If the Arwings start the match in forward motion, they are going to crash and explode. The match conventions say they only have a yard of space each, which is nothing when you're moving at Arwing speed. Personally I don't think it works like that -- I think they start parked. Which is better (no immediate pileup) but still not ideal due to takeoff issues + space issues. BUT the really big deal is Ryu 3, who is absurd: - Significantly boosted just from being in dragon form - Gets a 105% stat boost to all parameters on top of that - Has Dante genez, which (imo) means Dante-style acrobatic skills - Has access to Devil Trigger - Permanently invisible I see this dude just soaring through the sky tearing up Arwings and nobody on the other team really has the power to stop him. --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X_Dante_X 07/21/17 3:34:35 PM #43: |
who uppercuts a guy in a wheelchair wtf
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-FFDragon- 07/21/17 3:39:27 PM #44: |
Okay Drak articulated my thoughts better than me, except I do see them starting in motion, which is bad news bears.
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Lopen 07/21/17 3:48:24 PM #45: |
I still feel like Arwings starting in motion should only matter if you're on a more solid terrain than this. Arwing head to head crash with a boat, Arwing should win with ease generally.
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-FFDragon- 07/21/17 3:49:50 PM #46: |
I agree. But I just see a LOT of Arwing on Arwing action here as well, and I don't see many survivors.
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Alany 07/21/17 3:59:10 PM #47: |
Ryu
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KanzarisKelshen 07/21/17 4:07:07 PM #48: |
So here's how I see things so far:
-Archer's turbodead. -There's probably an arwing pileup to start off. A solid chunk of the W100 should survive tho. -Ryu3's invisibility is being overvalued. Zeratul has psi so he can track cloaked units. -Lightning's delay kinda matters since it means it's just ryu3, Cloud, Lilith and Terra vs Elma, Zeratul, the surviving Wonderful Ones, Mega Man and maybe Fox. So the question is - guys, assume invisibility for Ryu3 doesn't matter here. Who wins that clash, and why? --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alany 07/21/17 4:16:44 PM #49: |
KanzarisKelshen posted...
So the question is - guys, assume invisibility for Ryu3 doesn't matter here. Who wins that clash, and why? W100 by far, honestly. I don't respect Lilith much, but I'm sure her +100% parameters will be more than enough to keep her alive considering her abilities. Cloud is strong and I certainly see him fighting the W100 on equal terms (until he's swarmed or defeated by attrition) until Zeratul backstabs him. Terra is a good support, but the overwhelming enemies means her staying alive is very, very doubtful. Ryu3 is the one who tips that, in my head. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Luis_Sera89 07/21/17 4:31:26 PM #50: |
Is this how the last arwing match went
Regardless, if I thought Vergil & co win that, then I think likewise of this obscene Ryu3. --- "Eet's game time..." https://soundcloud.com/luissera/intro/s-VvkMJ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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