Poll of the Day > This 22 y/o Blonde LIBERAL Girl was FIRED because she Supports the LGBTQ!!!

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22 y/o Ruthie Robertson from Idaho was FIRD because she refused to take down a Facebook post she wrote detailing her support for the LGBTQ community!!

She wrote on her FB to honour Pride Month on June 5th that expressed opposition to the strict religious practice of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where she is a member and teaches at Brigham Young University.

The post was set to private where only friends could view it but one of her CONSERVATIVE FRIENDS blew the whistle on her and reported it to her employer on the SAME DAY!

She was summoned to meet with administrators where they said if she didn't take it down, she would be fired and Ruthie refused and apparently ordered her to PRAY for forgiveness as well

One week later she was called in and said she was fired..she would be allowed to finish teaching her summer classes but after that her contract was over.

The University refused to comment on the matter as Ruthie was an adjunct instructor of political science, a private university closely affiliated to the LDS

Ruthie admitted feeling "out of place" as a member of the church for years and said "I felt kind of like the rug was pulled out from under me."

Ruthie said she wouldn't sacrifice her personal beliefs for the sake of her job adding she supports her gay friends as she would her straight and said "I will never support the phrase "love the sinner, hate the sin because that sin is part of who that person is. Homosexuality and transgenderism are not sins; if God made us, and those are part of who we are..then God created that as well. I realize that my views counter the current day policies of the LDS Church but i hope that over time the Church will come to see the harm these policies have. I will always and forever stand up for the equality of the LGBTQ commuity. Sexuality and gender are not binary, they are on a spectrum and that's how we are made".

Do you think Ruthie is right that the Church is WRONG about the LGBTQ community?

Ruthie - Civil Rights Activist

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Brigham University - Evil University

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Literal anti-free speech, combined with doxing.
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Lokarin posted...

Literal anti-free speech, combined with doxing.

not what freedom of speech is.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Lokarin posted...

Literal anti-free speech, combined with doxing.

not what freedom of speech is.

So you're saying people should self-censor to maintain their livlihoods when under an oppressive regime.
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The Mormon church is backwards and stupid. That isn't news.

SushiSquid posted...

The Mormon church is backwards and stupid. That isn't news.

Oh, you said something bad about the church - you can be fired now 'cuz that doesn't count as free speech
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Lokarin posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The Mormon church is backwards and stupid. That isn't news.

Oh, you said something bad about the church - you can be fired now 'cuz that doesn't count as free speech

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not sure if serious or joking anymore
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While she has the freedom of speech, Brigham-Young is a private university with the freedom to fire.

And with the way this dialogue went down: Fair, next.
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Kimbos_Egg posted...

Lokarin posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The Mormon church is backwards and stupid. That isn't news.

Oh, you said something bad about the church - you can be fired now 'cuz that doesn't count as free speech

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not sure if serious or joking anymore

Always serious, you said that's not free speech
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Given how many times conservatives have been punished in the same way, I'm inclined to say "Fair, next," even before considering the stated values of the university. The ONLY saving grace is that she meant it as a private post so it wasn't a publicly held position. That said, if I went on social and disparaged something intrinsic to my work (such as calling a client's industry a scam) then I'd be shitcanned as well so I have zero sympathy for her.

Lokarin posted...

Literal anti-free speech, combined with doxing.

Literally not how free speech works.

Lokarin posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Lokarin posted...

Literal anti-free speech, combined with doxing.

not what freedom of speech is.

So you're saying people should self-censor to maintain their livlihoods when under an oppressive regime.

Literally not under an oppressive regime either.

Lokarin posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The Mormon church is backwards and stupid. That isn't news.

Oh, you said something bad about the church - you can be fired now 'cuz that doesn't count as free speech

For a guy who lives in a nation that doesn't believe in free speech, you seem to have a lot of strong but completely wrong ideas about free speech.
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She was fired for her religion opinion - that's a felony
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Lokarin posted...

She was fired for her religion opinion - that's a felony

You're straight-up just trying to troll now. If you don't understand how something works, you're best off not talking about it.
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Zeus posted...

Lokarin posted...

She was fired for her religion opinion - that's a felony

You're straight-up just trying to troll now. If you don't understand how something works, you're best off not talking about it.

No, i'm not trolling ... do you not see the injustice here? Is your whole nation monsters?
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Lokarin posted...

Zeus posted...

Lokarin posted...

She was fired for her religion opinion - that's a felony

You're straight-up just trying to troll now. If you don't understand how something works, you're best off not talking about it.

No, i'm not trolling ... do you not see the injustice here? Is your whole nation monsters?

Injustice would be forcing an private employer to keep an employee who explicitly badmouths them and their donors which, by the way, would be violating their right to free speech.
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Not cool Mormons, not cool.
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Full Throttle posted...

Ruthie admitted feeling "out of place" as a member of the church for years and said "I felt kind of like the rug was pulled out from under me."

Fair, next.
Also she's not hot.
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Zeus posted...

Injustice would be forcing an private employer to keep an employee who explicitly badmouths them and their donors which, by the way, would be violating their right to free speech.

Being pro-LBGT is "bad mouthing"
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Zangulus posted...

Lokarin posted...

Zeus posted...

Injustice would be forcing an private employer to keep an employee who explicitly badmouths them and their donors which, by the way, would be violating their right to free speech.

Being pro-LBGT is "bad mouthing"

Swing and a miss in your simplistic bias. You still don't know what you're talking about. At all. Like the most fundamental understanding of the concept is flawed.

I'll give you a hint: Free Speech is NOT universal. Period. The end. Now can you start to learn about what you're beating your dick so hard about before you hurt yourself?

So are you for this religious discrimination, too?
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Lokarin posted...

Zeus posted...

Injustice would be forcing an private employer to keep an employee who explicitly badmouths them and their donors which, by the way, would be violating their right to free speech.

Being pro-LBGT is "bad mouthing"

Full Throttle posted...

She wrote on her FB to honour Pride Month on June 5th that expressed opposition to the strict religious practice of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where she is a member and teaches at Brigham Young University.

ie, wasn't just saying "I support gays," but also "I don't like how the LDS (our biggest donor!) and the university operates." #FairNext
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Honestly I probably wouldn't pork her.
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Zeus posted...

Given how many times conservatives have been punished in the same way,

The difference being that when conservatives are "punished in the same way," it's not punishing them simply for holding an objectionable opinion, it's for holding and acting on an opinion that causes suffering. Being pro-gay and saying the church is wrong to be so aggressively anti-gay doesn't hurt anyone. Being anti-gay and depriving gay people of services does hurt people. Ergo, the anti-gay people that have had their jimmies rustled by having somebody disagree with them should get over themselves, because no actual harm has been done except to hurt their poor wittle feelings (feelings that would not be hurt if they made a different completely voluntary decision).

It's very simple.
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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

Given how many times conservatives have been punished in the same way,

The difference being that when conservatives are "punished in the same way," it's not punishing them simply for holding an objectionable opinion, it's for holding and acting on an opinion that causes suffering. Being pro-gay and saying the church is wrong to be so aggressively anti-gay doesn't hurt anyone. Being anti-gay and depriving gay people of services does hurt people. Ergo, the anti-gay people that have had their jimmies rustled by having somebody disagree with them should get over themselves, because no actual harm has been done except to hurt their poor wittle feelings (feelings that would not be hurt if they made a different completely voluntary decision).

It's very simple.

This. ^^^
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You forgot A+, bigot.

Adjl speaking truth.
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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

Given how many times conservatives have been punished in the same way,

The difference being that when conservatives are "punished in the same way," it's not punishing them simply for holding an objectionable opinion, it's for holding and acting on an opinion that causes suffering. Being pro-gay and saying the church is wrong to be so aggressively anti-gay doesn't hurt anyone. Being anti-gay and depriving gay people of services does hurt people. Ergo, the anti-gay people that have had their jimmies rustled by having somebody disagree with them should get over themselves, because no actual harm has been done except to hurt their poor wittle feelings (feelings that would not be hurt if they made a different completely voluntary decision).

It's very simple.

Oh, don't undersell yourself! Your mental gymnastics are anything but simple! You've done flips and cartwheels, corkscrews and moonsaults! All the while tiptoing masterfully around the fact that liberals frequently hold and act on opinions which cause suffering. Truly, you've earned that Olympic medal.
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adjl if ur so right all the time then why are u always wrong
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9vs4H18dH0
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Thats what she gets for being a Mormon

She was at the wrong job. Most Christians are against people being gay though we aren't going to judge them for it. It's not our fault Romans 1 says it's wrong.
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Any time you belong to a group that isn't public, they can kick you out for creating a conflict. That doesn't mean they aren't assholes, just that it's their right.
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Full Throttle posted...

22 y/o Ruthie Robertson from Idaho was FIRD because she refused to take down a Facebook post she wrote detailing her support for the LGBTQ community!!

She wrote on her FB to honour Pride Month on June 5th that expressed opposition to the strict religious practice of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where she is a member and teaches at Brigham Young University.

One day, ppl will learn that if you work for somwhere particularly religious then you should keep your social media to yourself. Post it elsewhere where you have deniability or do it anonymously. It's your opinion, sure but there's always some busybody that just can't wait to shout about it and get you in trouble.
Is it fair? No.
Should she know better than post anti religion messages while working for somewhere very religious? Yes.
Will we care in 24hrs? No.
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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think Ruthie is right that the Church is WRONG about the LGBTQ community

Also, either there's a lot of ppl mis-reading the question (which isn't terribly well written, tbh) or there's a lot more anti-gay religious conservatives here than I'd have thought.
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Nade Duck posted...

adjl if ur so right all the time then why are u always wrong

a glitch in his programming

Zeus posted...

All the while tiptoing masterfully around the fact that liberals frequently hold and act on opinions which cause suffering.

Why would I have to tiptoe masterfully around a subject that's unrelated to the matter at hand? I would think I could just walk past that normally. My incomparable tiptoeing grace is of no use here.
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don't care.
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people

it's fine because it's not conservatives picking on gays, otherwise it would be orwelian and SJW censorship

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Syntheticon posted...

Also, either there's a lot of ppl mis-reading the question (which isn't terribly well written, tbh) or there's a lot more anti-gay religious conservatives here than I'd have thought.

It's a duckbear poll, I always pick the more offensive option just cause.
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Zeus posted...

moonsaults

Cmon. Ya act uppity educated but ya can't remember a legit somersault over a cheese WWF move? Gtfo.
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if you want to work for bigots then you have to follow bigot rules
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BUY has a strict honor code that follows the Word of Wisdom. Look it up. Athletes can be kicked off a team for having premarital sex.

Zeus posted...

Given how many times conservatives have been punished in the same way, I'm inclined to say "Fair, next," even before considering the stated values of the university. The ONLY saving grace is that she meant it as a private post so it wasn't a publicly held position. That said, if I went on social and disparaged something intrinsic to my work (such as calling a client's industry a scam) then I'd be shitcanned as well so I have zero sympathy for her.

Pretty much that, yeah. It's amusing how people think that this silly little notion of free speech suddenly entitles them to say what they want without consequences.

Yes, you can say what you want.
Yes, nobody can stop you from saying what you want.

No, you cannot stop people from reacting to it.
No, you cannot expect that everyone must agree with it.

And obviously, if you're caught behaving in a way that brings your employer's name into disrepute, you can be fired for it. It's basic employment 101.
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Zeus posted...

Lokarin posted...

Zeus posted...

Injustice would be forcing an private employer to keep an employee who explicitly badmouths them and their donors which, by the way, would be violating their right to free speech.

Being pro-LBGT is "bad mouthing"

Full Throttle posted...

She wrote on her FB to honour Pride Month on June 5th that expressed opposition to the strict religious practice of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where she is a member and teaches at Brigham Young University.

ie, wasn't just saying "I support gays," but also "I don't like how the LDS (our biggest donor!) and the university operates." #FairNext

Imagine if you worked at Walmart and were fired for posting on social media that you don't agree with some internal policy. Would you still feel the same way?
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GoldenSun3DS posted...

Zeus posted...

Lokarin posted...

Zeus posted...

Injustice would be forcing an private employer to keep an employee who explicitly badmouths them and their donors which, by the way, would be violating their right to free speech.

Being pro-LBGT is "bad mouthing"

Full Throttle posted...

She wrote on her FB to honour Pride Month on June 5th that expressed opposition to the strict religious practice of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where she is a member and teaches at Brigham Young University.

ie, wasn't just saying "I support gays," but also "I don't like how the LDS (our biggest donor!) and the university operates." #FairNext

Imagine if you worked at Walmart and were fired for posting on social media that you don't agree with some internal policy. Would you still feel the same way?

Well if they lived in my area they could just come to work at Kroger where we have a union that if you attend their meeting, they play a video about how Walmart sucks cause they treat their workers like crap cause of not being in a union.
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Lokarin posted...

Kimbos_Egg posted...

Lokarin posted...

Literal anti-free speech, combined with doxing.

not what freedom of speech is.

So you're saying people should self-censor to maintain their livlihoods when under an oppressive regime.

He's giving you the narrative from the Judicial Branch's point of view:

Freedom of Speech within the United States specifically is the inability for Congress to establish laws that abridge freedom of speech. This protection extends to public services. BYU, however, is a private school and is exempt from that protection and can establish rules such as the above (as it is no longer a public entity nor government abridging that freedom). There are several other private universities that apply similar restrictions (with varying degrees of harshness)
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She holds completely contradictory viewpoints, can she be fired for being mentally unstable? I can't imagine it being responsible to hire somebody who can do the complete opposite of what they're taught and still believe they're right.
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force_edge posted...

And obviously, if you're caught behaving in a way that brings your employer's name into disrepute, you can be fired for it. It's basic employment 101.

Do you really think BYU's potential customer base is going to think less of the university because somebody says "it's dumb that the church hates gay people so much"? Especially when it wasn't a public post?
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Yea colleges do liberal brain washing >.>

She found out that as a non-tenured faculty, she can't just go around saying whatever she wants. I guarantee her contract has clauses which prevent her from defaming her employer.