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Microelectrode 07/09/17 2:11:55 PM #1:	I heard recently that gender neutral pronouns (ze, zim, etc.) are supposed to replace gender binary ones What happens when these students learn European languages? Our classical ancestors embraced binary gender so much that literally every noun is assigned a gender. Do they just not learn it? <cite>Microelectrode posted [p:882603395] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>I heard recently that gender neutral pronouns (ze, zim, etc.) are supposed to replace gender binary ones What happens when these students learn European languages? Our classical ancestors embraced binary gender so much that literally every noun is assigned a gender. Do they just not learn it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patty_Fleur 07/09/17 2:13:33 PM #2:	We are not replacing them anytime soon. We just voted Trump. People are getting tired of Liberals real fast so much so that Trump is President. --- Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead. <cite>Patty_Fleur posted [p:882603472] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>We are not replacing them anytime soon. We just voted Trump. People are getting tired of Liberals real fast so much so that Trump is President.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
reeekt 07/09/17 2:14:47 PM #3:	Basically, people are going to refuse to accept this. A small community will try to use it, but everybody will just say "no." --- ALL lives matter. <cite>reeekt posted [p:882603523] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Basically, people are going to refuse to accept this. A small community will try to use it, but everybody will just say "no."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sylph 07/09/17 2:15:43 PM #4:	I only use the following gender neutral pronoun: Foolish Mortal --- ZSB: We look so much better in a dress than you. I wouldn't mind being alone if I could stand my own company. <cite>Sylph posted [p:882603564] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>I only use the following gender neutral pronoun: Foolish Mortal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/09/17 2:32:12 PM #5:	Gender neutral/alternative pronouns dehumanize people and I will vehemently oppose using them for as long as I live. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:882604345] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Gender neutral/alternative pronouns dehumanize people and I will vehemently oppose using them for as long as I live.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 07/09/17 2:39:45 PM #6:	Microelectrode posted... I heard recently that gender neutral pronouns (ze, zim, etc.) are supposed to replace gender binary ones You're full of shit or whoever you heard it from is full of shit. Microelectrode posted... What happens when these students learn European languages? Like... English? Annihilated posted... Gender neutral/alternative pronouns dehumanize people ...no. using 'it' instead of 'them' does. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:882604697] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Microelectrode posted...</cite> <quote>I heard recently that gender neutral pronouns (ze, zim, etc.) are supposed to replace gender binary ones</quote> You're full of shit or whoever you heard it from is full of shit. <cite>Microelectrode posted...</cite> <quote>What happens when these students learn European languages?</quote> Like... English? <cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>Gender neutral/alternative pronouns dehumanize people </quote> ...no. using 'it' instead of 'them' does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 07/09/17 2:41:55 PM #7:	Sir Will posted... ...no. using 'it' instead of 'them' does. No, it makes them some other imaginary non human species where conventional biology does not apply. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:882604789] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sir Will posted...</cite> <quote>...no. using 'it' instead of 'them' does.</quote> No, it makes them some other imaginary non human species where conventional biology does not apply.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 07/09/17 2:43:12 PM #8:	No. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:882604859] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 07/09/17 2:46:18 PM #9:	"They" has been in common use as a gender neutral pronoun since Chaucer. There's no need to replace it. --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:882604996] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>"They" has been in common use as a gender neutral pronoun since Chaucer. There's no need to replace it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 07/09/17 2:53:36 PM #10:	"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." Now how stupid does that sound? And can you truly tell who I'm referring to when I say, "They didn't want to hang out with them"? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:882605347] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." Now how stupid does that sound? And can you truly tell who I'm referring to when I say, "They didn't want to hang out with them"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 07/09/17 2:56:08 PM #11:	Capn Circus posted... "They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." Now how stupid does that sound? And can you truly tell who I'm referring to when I say, "They didn't want to hang out with them"? They were Their Third sentence sounds fine. --- http://i.imgur.com/BGbZK.gif <cite>Funkydog posted [p:882605482] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." Now how stupid does that sound? And can you truly tell who I'm referring to when I say, "They didn't want to hang out with them"?</quote> They were Their Third sentence sounds fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 07/09/17 2:57:56 PM #12:	"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." They were going to throw a party, but their parents decided not to go out of town. Their friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them. --- The poster formerly known as Kakarot181: July 2, 2002 - March 14, 2012. Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:882605591] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><quote>"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them."</quote> They were going to throw a party, but their parents decided not to go out of town. Their friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 07/09/17 2:59:56 PM #13:	CircleOfManias posted... "They" has been in common use as a gender neutral pronoun since Chaucer. There's no need to replace it. This lol --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:882605703] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>"They" has been in common use as a gender neutral pronoun since Chaucer. There's no need to replace it.</quote> This lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/09/17 3:01:51 PM #14:	Comrade is a good gender neutral term. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:882605777] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Comrade is a good gender neutral term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/09/17 3:05:25 PM #15:	"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882605959] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/09/17 3:06:03 PM #16:	Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:882605983] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/09/17 3:06:48 PM #17:	hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882606013] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/09/17 3:06:48 PM #18:	Capn Circus posted... "They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." Now how stupid does that sound? And can you truly tell who I'm referring to when I say, "They didn't want to hang out with them"? sorry, but I trust the guy that wrote The Canterbury Tales more than I do some random dude on a message board --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882606014] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." Now how stupid does that sound? And can you truly tell who I'm referring to when I say, "They didn't want to hang out with them"?</quote> sorry, but I trust the guy that wrote The Canterbury Tales more than I do some random dude on a message board</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/09/17 3:07:23 PM #19:	Antifar posted... Comrade is a good gender neutral term. the two genders....... Comrade and Foe --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882606051] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Comrade is a good gender neutral term.</quote> the two genders....... Comrade and Foe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/09/17 3:08:06 PM #20:	Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" That isn't gender neutral --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:882606086] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> That isn't gender neutral</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 07/09/17 3:08:06 PM #21:	Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect strictly speaking, sure but just like the word "literally" being used as an intensifier, language evolves both examples here have been used since before we were born with their alternative function, so not really a good argument --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:882606087] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> strictly speaking, sure but just like the word "literally" being used as an intensifier, language evolves both examples here have been used since before we were born with their alternative function, so not really a good argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 07/09/17 3:08:30 PM #22:	K181 posted... "They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them." They were going to throw a party, but their parents decided not to go out of town. Their friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them. Who doesn't want to hang out with "them" (the friends)? Is it Kelleys friends that don't want to hang out? Or the person that wants to be called "they"? It's hard to know. Hard to read. Stupid concept in general. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:882606110] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>K181 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>"They was going to throw a party, but they's parents decided not to go out of town. They's friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them."</quote> They were going to throw a party, but their parents decided not to go out of town. Their friend, Kelley, decided to ask their friends what they were doing. They said they didn't want to hang out with them.</quote> Who doesn't want to hang out with "them" (the friends)? Is it Kelleys friends that don't want to hang out? Or the person that wants to be called "they"? It's hard to know. Hard to read. Stupid concept in general.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/09/17 3:09:51 PM #23:	Microelectrode posted... I heard recently that gender neutral pronouns (ze, zim, etc.) are supposed to replace gender binary ones No you didn't --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:882606174] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Microelectrode posted...</cite> <quote>I heard recently that gender neutral pronouns (ze, zim, etc.) are supposed to replace gender binary ones</quote> No you didn't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/09/17 3:10:34 PM #24:	Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:882606206] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/09/17 3:10:49 PM #25:	hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" That isn't gender neutral He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882606217] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> That isn't gender neutral</quote> He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 07/09/17 3:11:16 PM #26:	Absolute lunacy --- Oda break tracker 2017- 5 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:882606238] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Absolute lunacy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/09/17 3:12:44 PM #27:	Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" That isn't gender neutral He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun. So is they and has been for centuries. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:882606307] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> That isn't gender neutral</quote> He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun.</quote> So is they and has been for centuries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/09/17 3:15:18 PM #28:	The correct answer is to refuse to use pronouns entirely. "That person needs to shut up" "Chris put on a hat" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:882606417] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>The correct answer is to refuse to use pronouns entirely. "That person needs to shut up" "Chris put on a hat"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 07/09/17 3:16:23 PM #29:	Questionmarktarius posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat" Rofl.. imagine that actually becoming a thing. Sounds ridiculous. Person 1: "Tina is in the restroom putting on their makeup." Person 2: "Oh, who else is over?" Person 1: "Just Tina and I." Person 2: "...." --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:882606466] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat"</quote> Rofl.. imagine that actually becoming a thing. Sounds ridiculous. Person 1: "Tina is in the restroom putting on their makeup." Person 2: "Oh, who else is over?" Person 1: "Just Tina and I." Person 2: "...."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 07/09/17 3:17:21 PM #30:	Questionmarktarius posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat" It's funny you use Chris as the example because, as a unisex name, I really would have used "their" if I don't actually know if it's a male or female. But I've also used singular they for a long time. It's not very often, but at times it's just convenient. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:882606520] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote> "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat"</quote> It's funny you use Chris as the example because, as a unisex name, I really would have used "their" if I don't actually know if it's a male or female. But I've also used singular they for a long time. It's not very often, but at times it's just convenient.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/09/17 3:18:00 PM #31:	hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" That isn't gender neutral He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun. So is they and has been for centuries. But he is correct as a singular pronoun, they isn't --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:882606559] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> That isn't gender neutral</quote> He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun.</quote> So is they and has been for centuries.</quote> But he is correct as a singular pronoun, they isn't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/09/17 3:18:52 PM #32:	Capn Circus posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat" Rofl.. imagine that actually becoming a thing. Sounds ridiculous. Person 1: "Tina is in the restroom putting on their makeup." Person 2: "Oh, who else is over?" Person 1: "Just Tina and I." Person 2: "...." did you really just make a grammatical error while criticizing the use of a perfectly legitimate singular pronoun that has been in use for hundreds of years? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882606597] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> It's almost acceptable when the subject is vague, and even more so when the number of subjects is unknown: "They built a sandcastle" It's awkward and stupid when referring to a known, singular subject: "Chris put on their hat"</quote> Rofl.. imagine that actually becoming a thing. Sounds ridiculous. Person 1: "Tina is in the restroom putting on their makeup." Person 2: "Oh, who else is over?" Person 1: "Just Tina and I." Person 2: "...."</quote> did you really just make a grammatical error while criticizing the use of a perfectly legitimate singular pronoun that has been in use for hundreds of years?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/09/17 3:19:17 PM #33:	Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" That isn't gender neutral He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun. So is they and has been for centuries. But he is correct as a singular pronoun, they isn't Chaucer disagrees so does Jane Austen --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:882606613] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> That isn't gender neutral</quote> He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun.</quote> So is they and has been for centuries.</quote> But he is correct as a singular pronoun, they isn't</quote> Chaucer disagrees so does Jane Austen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/09/17 3:20:34 PM #34:	Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... hockeybub89 posted... Damn_Underscore posted... "They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect So what is the correct one? "That person needs to shut his mouth" That isn't gender neutral He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun. So is they and has been for centuries. But he is correct as a singular pronoun, they isn't Centuries of usage would dispute that unless you think English grammar is a static fact of life that the grammar gods all decided on before the dawn of man. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:882606672] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>"They" used as a gender neutral pronoun is often incorrect grammar For example: "That person needs to shut their mouth" is incorrect</quote> So what is the correct one?</quote> "That person needs to shut his mouth"</quote> That isn't gender neutral</quote> He is used as a gender-neutral pronoun.</quote> So is they and has been for centuries.</quote> But he is correct as a singular pronoun, they isn't</quote> Centuries of usage would dispute that unless you think English grammar is a static fact of life that the grammar gods all decided on before the dawn of man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/09/17 3:20:57 PM #35:	SGT_Conti posted... It's funny you use Chris as the example because, as a unisex name, I really would have used "their" if I don't actually know if it's a male or female. Referring to someone by name usually means a familiarity, or some other sort of knowledge of who that person is. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:882606692] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>SGT_Conti posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny you use Chris as the example because, as a unisex name, I really would have used "their" if I don't actually know if it's a male or female. </quote> Referring to someone by name usually means a familiarity, or some other sort of knowledge of who that person is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 07/09/17 3:33:39 PM #36:	Singular they has existed for centuries. It is pretty funny that people are still complaining about it. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:882607250] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Singular they has existed for centuries. It is pretty funny that people are still complaining about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 07/09/17 3:36:25 PM #37:	uwnim posted... Singular they has existed for centuries. It is pretty funny that people are still complaining about it. It's not exactly a coincidence the users that are arguing against it. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:882607388] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote>Singular they has existed for centuries. It is pretty funny that people are still complaining about it.</quote> It's not exactly a coincidence the users that are arguing against it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Microelectrode 07/09/17 9:08:00 PM #38:	I appreciate the discussion about "they" as a singular, although I do want to remind my fellow posters that I'm also interested in how gender neutrality is possible in languages such as Italian, French, and Spanish. When learning such a language, I especially enjoy that each noun is assigned a gender: an apple, a tree, the earth, the sea, a cloud, etc. It gives me pleasure to visualize my ancestors, learning about their world, ascribing a male essence or spirit, a female essence or spirit, or even a true neutral, to everything they encountered. To me, it's poetic. I believe that "preferred pronouns" should evolve through language naturally (e.g. as the word "they" seems to have done), rather than enforced through legislation. I also hope that transgendered people will limit their pronoun preference only to those pronouns that affect themselves, and not take offense to languages which since antiquity have ascribed binary gender to every noun. It's my every intention to respect the trans community and I'm simply expressing my wish that language neutrality does not spill into existing language. For example, I think Italian should still have male and female nouns, and not "rewritten for the new age" as Class 1 and Class 2 nouns. Not that I hear that happening; I'm just thinking out loud. <cite>Microelectrode posted [p:882624267] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>I appreciate the discussion about "they" as a singular, although I do want to remind my fellow posters that I'm also interested in how gender neutrality is possible in languages such as Italian, French, and Spanish. When learning such a language, I especially enjoy that each noun is assigned a gender: an apple, a tree, the earth, the sea, a cloud, etc. It gives me pleasure to visualize my ancestors, learning about their world, ascribing a male essence or spirit, a female essence or spirit, or even a true neutral, to everything they encountered. To me, it's poetic. I believe that "preferred pronouns" should evolve through language naturally (e.g. as the word "they" seems to have done), rather than enforced through legislation. I also hope that transgendered people will limit their pronoun preference only to those pronouns that affect themselves, and not take offense to languages which since antiquity have ascribed binary gender to every noun. It's my every intention to respect the trans community and I'm simply expressing my wish that language neutrality does not spill into existing language. For example, I think Italian should still have male and female nouns, and not "rewritten for the new age" as Class 1 and Class 2 nouns. Not that I hear that happening; I'm just thinking out loud.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocileOrangeCup 07/09/17 9:09:33 PM #39:	the only ones that should exist are he she they --- https://i.imgtc.com/usDFlRA.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/GSrk8Nh.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/yo9VSX9.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/Sh3lG7g.jpg http://gamefaqs.com/boards/1377 <cite>DocileOrangeCup posted [p:882624352] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>the only ones that should exist are he she they</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 07/10/17 8:25:51 AM #41:	He and she is fine I hate it when people try to change everything. Just let us speak fucking english. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:882646425] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>He and she is fine I hate it when people try to change everything. Just let us speak fucking english.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 07/10/17 8:38:08 AM #42:	Singular they is acceptable. For instance if I want to tell somebody about an event and the subjects gender is irrelevant to the situation. Eg Did so and so tell you about the new header for the TPS reports? No they didn't mention that to me. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:882646733] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Singular they is acceptable. For instance if I want to tell somebody about an event and the subjects gender is irrelevant to the situation. Eg Did so and so tell you about the new header for the TPS reports? No they didn't mention that to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faizan_faizan 07/10/17 8:53:41 AM #43:	I don't understand why there is even a need for gender neutral pronouns. What's wrong with the way we've been speaking English all this time? --- Allergic to bull****. <cite>faizan_faizan posted [p:882647184] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand why there is even a need for gender neutral pronouns. What's wrong with the way we've been speaking English all this time?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 07/10/17 8:58:46 AM #44:	I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they." --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:882647367] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kakkeron 07/10/17 9:02:34 AM #45:	Gather all of the weirdo's together and execute them. <cite>Kakkeron posted [p:882647483] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote>Gather all of the weirdo's together and execute them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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faizan_faizan 07/10/17 9:17:08 AM #47:	Nomadic View posted... I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they." What's wrong with 'she'/'he'? --- Allergic to bull****. <cite>faizan_faizan posted [p:882647984] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they."</quote> What's wrong with 'she'/'he'?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 07/10/17 9:43:19 AM #48:	Nomadic View posted... I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they." Maybe but the english language is what it is --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:882648987] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they."</quote> Maybe but the english language is what it is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 07/10/17 12:56:05 PM #49:	faizan_faizan posted... Nomadic View posted... I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they." What's wrong with 'she'/'he'? I think it really breaks apart the fluidity of the sentence. "s/he" is not a real word. It is a concept, substitute, or place holder for a gender neutral word that doesn't exist. When it is read out loud the person will say "he or she" or some other similar variant, and that is not what the sentence says. The "word" is "s/he" which cannot even be pronounced. So, of course, "he or she" is interjected as a substitute. If three words are necessary to identify a single concept or noun, then I believe it would be in society's best interest to consolidate that phrase into a single word. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:882658191] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>faizan_faizan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they."</quote> What's wrong with 'she'/'he'?</quote> I think it really breaks apart the fluidity of the sentence. "s/he" is not a real word. It is a concept, substitute, or place holder for a gender neutral word that doesn't exist. When it is read out loud the person will say "he or she" or some other similar variant, and that is not what the sentence says. The "word" is "s/he" which cannot even be pronounced. So, of course, "he or she" is interjected as a substitute. If three words are necessary to identify a single concept or noun, then I believe it would be in society's best interest to consolidate that phrase into a single word.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/10/17 12:58:18 PM #50:	Nomadic View posted... faizan_faizan posted... Nomadic View posted... I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they." What's wrong with 'she'/'he'? I think it really breaks apart the fluidity of the sentence. "s/he" is not a real word. It is a concept, substitute, or place holder for a gender neutral word that doesn't exist. That replacement? Singular they, as it has been for centuries --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:882658326] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>faizan_faizan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>I think the English language could use gender neutral pronouns. Not because someone identifies as some some unusual entity, but because when explaining something in a general context that applies to an individual using a gender neutral pronoun would feel less clumsy than picking a specific gender, using "s/he", or the worst offender, using a plural form such as "they."</quote> What's wrong with 'she'/'he'?</quote> I think it really breaks apart the fluidity of the sentence. "s/he" is not a real word. It is a concept, substitute, or place holder for a gender neutral word that doesn't exist.</quote> That replacement? Singular they, as it has been for centuries</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/10/17 1:03:54 PM #51:	hockeybub89 posted... That replacement? Singular they, as it has been for centuries Destigmatize "it". <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:882658608] in Gender neu... [t:75547344]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>That replacement? Singular they, as it has been for centuries</quote> Destigmatize "it".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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