Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 110: Cleveland Steamer

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ImTheMacheteGuy 07/06/17 5:29:57 PM #1:	I was waiting for someone to make a new topic and use a clever title, but I got bored... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:882448895] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>I was waiting for someone to make a new topic and use a clever title, but I got bored...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 07/06/17 5:39:27 PM #2:	https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/6/15928782/trump-accessory-after-the-fact Again, Trump literally admitting Russia interfered with the election. Ulti, we await your apology. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:882449441] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/6/15928782/trump-accessory-after-the-fact Again, Trump literally admitting Russia interfered with the election. Ulti, we await your apology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 07/06/17 5:40:47 PM #3:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/6/15928782/trump-accessory-after-the-fact Again, Trump literally admitting Russia interfered with the election. Ulti, we await your apology. He'll just say Trump is trolling. --- Corrik: Ive made th stupidest post possib Wang: Hold my beer. <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:882449520] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/6/15928782/trump-accessory-after-the-fact Again, Trump literally admitting Russia interfered with the election. Ulti, we await your apology.</quote> He'll just say Trump is trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/06/17 5:43:06 PM #4:	trump is playing 4D chess --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:882449670] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>trump is playing 4D chess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/06/17 5:52:27 PM #5:	do you guys want to talk about CNN some more --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:882450222] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>do you guys want to talk about CNN some more</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/06/17 5:57:52 PM #6:	what were the four conditions again --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:882450508] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>what were the four conditions again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 07/06/17 5:58:40 PM #7:	MoogleKupo141 posted... do you guys want to talk about CNN some more Yeah I just want to say that Wang's stance on this has slowly transformed from 'wrong' to 'disgusting'. Recent posts on CNN deserving death threats or whatever is gross. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:882450567] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>do you guys want to talk about CNN some more</quote> Yeah I just want to say that Wang's stance on this has slowly transformed from 'wrong' to 'disgusting'. Recent posts on CNN deserving death threats or whatever is gross.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/06/17 6:00:38 PM #8:	Mr Lasastryke posted... what were the four conditions again 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. 4. Don't post racist shit --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:882450676] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>what were the four conditions again</quote> 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. 4. Don't post racist shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 07/06/17 6:01:46 PM #9:	KamikazePotato posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... do you guys want to talk about CNN some more Yeah I just want to say that Wang's stance on this has slowly transformed from 'wrong' to 'disgusting'. Recent posts on CNN deserving death threats or whatever is gross. Wait did he actually say this? I blocked him last night an commented half jokingly that I expected him to do so, but guess I was too late? --- Corrik: Ive made th stupidest post possib Wang: Hold my beer. <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:882450730] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote>do you guys want to talk about CNN some more</quote> Yeah I just want to say that Wang's stance on this has slowly transformed from 'wrong' to 'disgusting'. Recent posts on CNN deserving death threats or whatever is gross.</quote> Wait did he actually say this? I blocked him last night an commented half jokingly that I expected him to do so, but guess I was too late?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/06/17 6:03:29 PM #10:	http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/06/mitch-mcconnell-health-care-bill-fix-it-240270 I hope McConnell is actually giving up and just goes for a bipartisan fix, but I'd never count on it. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:882450836] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/06/mitch-mcconnell-health-care-bill-fix-it-240270 I hope McConnell is actually giving up and just goes for a bipartisan fix, but I'd never count on it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 07/06/17 6:05:04 PM #11:	Speaking of CNN and blackmail https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/media/jeffrey-zucker-cnn-trump.html White House advisers have discussed a potential point of leverage over their adversary, a senior administration official said: a pending merger between CNN’s parent company, Time Warner, and AT&T. Mr. Trump’s Justice Department will decide whether to approve the merger, and while analysts say there is little to stop the deal from moving forward, the president’s animus toward CNN remains a wild card. Looks to me like Trump is literally trying/wanting to blackmail CNN (Using the Time Warner/AT&T merger to get CNN to quit covering him negatively) xfd --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:882450933] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>Speaking of CNN and blackmail https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/business/media/jeffrey-zucker-cnn-trump.html <quote>White House advisers have discussed a potential point of leverage over their adversary, a senior administration official said: a pending merger between CNN’s parent company, Time Warner, and AT&T. Mr. Trump’s Justice Department will decide whether to approve the merger, and while analysts say there is little to stop the deal from moving forward, the president’s animus toward CNN remains a wild card.</quote> Looks to me like Trump is literally trying/wanting to blackmail CNN (Using the Time Warner/AT&T merger to get CNN to quit covering him negatively) xfd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 07/06/17 6:05:10 PM #12:	MoogleKupo141 posted... Mr Lasastryke posted... what were the four conditions again 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. 4. Don't post racist shit This is a good post --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:882450937] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>what were the four conditions again</quote> 1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. 2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. 3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. 4. Don't post racist shit</quote> This is a good post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 07/06/17 6:11:46 PM #13:	The Illinois general assembly just voted to override our idiot governor's veto of a budget bill. For the first time since 2015, my state will have a budget. Hallelujah, holy shit, where's the Tylenol. https://apnews.com/ca9978d693874a6bb91b48fc165462ef/The-Latest:-Illinois-House-OKs-budget,-ends-historic-impasse It's worth noting that it took a couple dozen Republicans breaking ranks to vote with the Democratic majorities in both chambers to pass the budget - Dems run the general assembly but don't have a veto-proof majority in either house. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:882451315] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>The Illinois general assembly just voted to override our idiot governor's veto of a budget bill. For the first time since 2015, my state will have a budget. Hallelujah, holy shit, where's the Tylenol. https://apnews.com/ca9978d693874a6bb91b48fc165462ef/The-Latest:-Illinois-House-OKs-budget,-ends-historic-impasse It's worth noting that it took a couple dozen Republicans breaking ranks to vote with the Democratic majorities in both chambers to pass the budget - Dems run the general assembly but don't have a veto-proof majority in either house.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 6:15:27 PM #14:	KamikazePotato posted... Recent posts on CNN deserving death threats or whatever is a lie. which i literally called that someone would say is what i'm saying because they didn't read a damn thing. not justifying or approving the behavior so don't put words in my mouth there, just that this is absolutely expected. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882451535] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote>Recent posts on CNN deserving death threats or whatever is</quote> a lie. which i literally called that someone would say is what i'm saying because they didn't read a damn thing. <quote>not justifying or approving the behavior so don't put words in my mouth there, just that this is absolutely expected. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 6:17:26 PM #15:	Reg posted... Looks to me like Trump is literally trying/wanting to blackmail CNN (Using the Time Warner/AT&T merger to get CNN to quit covering him negatively) xfd said it in the end of the last topic too but this is a field that isn't just being explored by CNN. plenty of people who are pissed are trying to see how to ruin the merger too. don't know what impact they can have but do expect people to try. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882451662] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote> Looks to me like Trump is literally trying/wanting to blackmail CNN (Using the Time Warner/AT&T merger to get CNN to quit covering him negatively) xfd</quote> said it in the end of the last topic too but this is a field that isn't just being explored by CNN. plenty of people who are pissed are trying to see how to ruin the merger too. don't know what impact they can have but do expect people to try.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/17 6:18:20 PM #16:	To be fair, your post was kinda justifying it. You may not mean to, of course, but it comes off that way. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882451723] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>To be fair, your post was kinda justifying it. You may not mean to, of course, but it comes off that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 6:20:43 PM #17:	how is literally saying "i'm not justifying this" saying that i'm justifying it. once you saw the reaction of course it's something you could expect. you'd be foolish not to. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882451870] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>how is literally saying "i'm not justifying this" saying that i'm justifying it. once you saw the reaction of course it's something you could expect. you'd be foolish not to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/17 6:23:35 PM #18:	Well, when you more or less are going "Well, of course people are doing X, so-and-so did Y," you're getting into justification territory. It's like "Of course Adam got mad, Dan punched him in the face." It's the tone. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882452011] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>Well, when you more or less are going "Well, of course people are doing X, so-and-so did Y," you're getting into justification territory. It's like "Of course Adam got mad, Dan punched him in the face." It's the tone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/17 6:24:14 PM #19:	I'm not saying you ARE justifying it, obviously. Just that the tone of your post can be taken that way. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882452046] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>I'm not saying you ARE justifying it, obviously. Just that the tone of your post can be taken that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/06/17 6:27:36 PM #20:	Wanglicious posted... literally i'm justifying it. you'd be foolish not to. >_> J/K --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:882452235] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>literally i'm justifying it. you'd be foolish not to.</quote> >_> J/K</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 07/06/17 6:27:43 PM #21:	"I'm not justifying it, but I am saying that when you falsely accuse someone of blackmail, just like I have, you should expect people who believe that story to send them death threats." --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:882452243] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>"I'm not justifying it, but I am saying that when you falsely accuse someone of blackmail, just like I have, you should expect people who believe that story to send them death threats."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 07/06/17 6:29:13 PM #22:	So is the deal here that he basically justified is and then covered his ass saying "but I'm not justifying it"? Sounds right. Like saying someone deserves to be punched and then saying "but I'm not advocating punching someone". --- Corrik: Ive made th stupidest post possib Wang: Hold my beer. <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:882452332] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>So is the deal here that he basically justified is and then covered his ass saying "but I'm not justifying it"? Sounds right. Like saying someone deserves to be punched and then saying "but I'm not advocating punching someone".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 07/06/17 6:31:22 PM #23:	It's an "I'm not racist, but inuits are all pig people" type post --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:882452440] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>It's an "I'm not racist, but inuits are all pig people" type post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 6:32:23 PM #24:	StealThisSheen posted... Well, when you more or less are going "Well, of course people are doing X, so-and-so did Y," you're getting into justification territory. It's like "Of course Adam got mad, Dan punched him in the face." It's the tone. that's an explanation, not a justification. you don't have to agree with it, you aren't trying to justify it, you're explaining what happened and why it happened. using your example yeah, that explains why Adam got mad. and you can say he's justified by it or not depending on the circumstances (e.g., "but he told Dan to do it so he doesn't have much ground to stand on"). if you're confusing basic explanations with justification you're making a major mistake. if you still get confused by that somehow then the least i'd expect is for you to keep reading what's actually written. which in this case has me literally saying that it's not justifying or approving anything so don't put words in my mouth. which KP immediately did after. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882452496] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Well, when you more or less are going "Well, of course people are doing X, so-and-so did Y," you're getting into justification territory. It's like "Of course Adam got mad, Dan punched him in the face." It's the tone.</quote> that's an explanation, not a justification. you don't have to agree with it, you aren't trying to justify it, you're explaining what happened and why it happened. using your example yeah, that explains why Adam got mad. and you can say he's justified by it or not depending on the circumstances (e.g., "but he told Dan to do it so he doesn't have much ground to stand on"). if you're confusing basic explanations with justification you're making a major mistake. if you still get confused by that somehow then the least i'd expect is for you to keep reading what's actually written. which in this case has me literally saying that it's not justifying or approving anything so don't put words in my mouth. which KP immediately did after.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/06/17 6:32:30 PM #25:	Surprise surprise, when the President refuses to punish Russia for unprecedented interference in our elections (or even definitively acknowledge that said interference happened) it emboldens them to step up their spying: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/06/politics/russia-steps-up-spying-efforts-after-election/index.html?sr=twCNN070617russia-steps-up-spying-efforts-after-election0610PMStory --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:882452499] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>Surprise surprise, when the President refuses to punish Russia for unprecedented interference in our elections (or even definitively acknowledge that said interference happened) it emboldens them to step up their spying: http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/06/politics/russia-steps-up-spying-efforts-after-election/index.html?sr=twCNN070617russia-steps-up-spying-efforts-after-election0610PMStory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/17 6:35:42 PM #26:	To be fair to Wang, I think he's a good guy, despite our differences. Passionate arguer to a fault? Absolutely. Bit of a disconnect in how clear he thinks something he's saying is, compared to how it's actually coming off? Yes. But I honestly don't think Wang ever tries to be disingenuous or anything, and I don't think he's as bad as he comes off at times. He's just very stubborn and will argue his point to the end... Even if the point sometimes gets clouded by other things. Like, he's clearly not at all actually saying people at CNN deserve to be attacked... But he's not gonna back down from thinking what they did is scummy, either, which obviously complicates things a bit as details progress. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882452694] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>To be fair to Wang, I think he's a good guy, despite our differences. Passionate arguer to a fault? Absolutely. Bit of a disconnect in how clear he thinks something he's saying is, compared to how it's actually coming off? Yes. But I honestly don't think Wang ever tries to be disingenuous or anything, and I don't think he's as bad as he comes off at times. He's just very stubborn and will argue his point to the end... Even if the point sometimes gets clouded by other things. Like, he's clearly not at all actually saying people at CNN deserve to be attacked... But he's not gonna back down from thinking what they did is scummy, either, which obviously complicates things a bit as details progress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/17 6:39:44 PM #27:	Wanglicious posted... StealThisSheen posted... Well, when you more or less are going "Well, of course people are doing X, so-and-so did Y," you're getting into justification territory. It's like "Of course Adam got mad, Dan punched him in the face." It's the tone. that's an explanation, not a justification. you don't have to agree with it, you aren't trying to justify it, you're explaining what happened and why it happened. using your example yeah, that explains why Adam got mad. and you can say he's justified by it or not depending on the circumstances (e.g., "but he told Dan to do it so he doesn't have much ground to stand on"). if you're confusing basic explanations with justification you're making a major mistake. if you still get confused by that somehow then the least i'd expect is for you to keep reading what's actually written. which in this case has me literally saying that it's not justifying or approving anything so don't put words in my mouth. which KP immediately did after. Eh, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think saying that something is an expected reaction is basically saying it's a justified reaction, because you shouldn't EXPECT unjustified reactions. Like, that's where the "It's just an animal/baby/etc." thing comes in. You expect a dog to bite if you keep poking it in the face, and that's basically justifying it by saying "Well, yeah, it's just an animal." Again, I'm NOT putting words in your mouth because I am NOT saying you are justifying it. You are not. But the tone and language you used can certainly come off that way to people. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882452949] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Well, when you more or less are going "Well, of course people are doing X, so-and-so did Y," you're getting into justification territory. It's like "Of course Adam got mad, Dan punched him in the face." It's the tone.</quote> that's an explanation, not a justification. you don't have to agree with it, you aren't trying to justify it, you're explaining what happened and why it happened. using your example yeah, that explains why Adam got mad. and you can say he's justified by it or not depending on the circumstances (e.g., "but he told Dan to do it so he doesn't have much ground to stand on"). if you're confusing basic explanations with justification you're making a major mistake. if you still get confused by that somehow then the least i'd expect is for you to keep reading what's actually written. which in this case has me literally saying that it's not justifying or approving anything so don't put words in my mouth. which KP immediately did after.</quote> Eh, I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I think saying that something is an expected reaction is basically saying it's a justified reaction, because you shouldn't EXPECT unjustified reactions. Like, that's where the "It's just an animal/baby/etc." thing comes in. You expect a dog to bite if you keep poking it in the face, and that's basically justifying it by saying "Well, yeah, it's just an animal." Again, I'm NOT putting words in your mouth because I am NOT saying you are justifying it. You are not. But the tone and language you used can certainly come off that way to people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 07/06/17 6:42:54 PM #28:	StealThisSheen posted... But he's not gonna back down from thinking what they did is scummy, either, which obviously complicates things a bit as details progress. doesn't everyone think this (except perhaps LTM i guess)? shouldn't be a controversial stance to have. perhaps he was exaggerating a bit when he said "CNN is acting like the mafia" or whatever but yeah. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:882453131] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>But he's not gonna back down from thinking what they did is scummy, either, which obviously complicates things a bit as details progress.</quote> doesn't everyone think this (except perhaps LTM i guess)? shouldn't be a controversial stance to have. perhaps he was exaggerating a bit when he said "CNN is acting like the mafia" or whatever but yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 6:43:53 PM #29:	well yeah, obviously they don't deserve to be attacked. but if you aren't able to talk about where that's coming from, what the people attacking are thinking, why they're doing it, or any of that without getting accused of justifying or approving it, then you are purposefully locking yourself into a bubble and will never even be capable of understanding what's going on. i don't get why some of you can't figure that out. i know jakyl's tried it a ton so it's definitely not all of you but some of you just forget your view is not the only one, the only "right" one, and the difference between explanation and literally anything else is huge. explaining something from a view you disagree with is going to mean that whatever you think is "right" will be completely irrelevant because it's not what the other side does. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882453195] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>well yeah, obviously they don't deserve to be attacked. but if you aren't able to talk about where that's coming from, what the people attacking are thinking, why they're doing it, or any of that without getting accused of justifying or approving it, then you are purposefully locking yourself into a bubble and will never even be capable of understanding what's going on. i don't get why some of you can't figure that out. i know jakyl's tried it a ton so it's definitely not all of you but some of you just forget your view is not the only one, the only "right" one, and the difference between explanation and literally anything else is huge. explaining something from a view you disagree with is going to mean that whatever you think is "right" will be completely irrelevant because it's not what the other side does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 07/06/17 6:46:17 PM #30:	How many times have we had people talking about the feelings behind riots in here while still calling them unjustified? EDIT: I know it's not quite the same thing because of the direct connection to the victim's actions, but still/ --- JeffRaze, for all your random spellcasting needs <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:882453352] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>How many times have we had people talking about the feelings behind riots in here while still calling them unjustified? EDIT: I know it's not quite the same thing because of the direct connection to the victim's actions, but still/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 6:53:51 PM #31:	StealThisSheen posted... I think saying that something is an expected reaction is basically saying it's a justified reaction, because you shouldn't EXPECT unjustified reactions. eh? why shouldn't you? you can totally expect unjustified actions. people who are overly emotional, people who are behaving irrationally, or in this case, following a wider pattern of behavior. even if you knew no specifics about this event but knew the way controversy works, the second that thing blew up into issues of doxing and blackmail, there is no way the person who wrote that won't be getting doxed and harassed. zero chance of avoiding that. even if you knew nothing except the hashtag that trended, that's an expected result. there's no justification in that either way, that's just following the pattern. like are we just not using the same definition here or something? http://www.dictionary.com/browse/justified 1 - to show (an act, claim, statement, etc.) to be just or right: 2- to defend or uphold as warranted or well-grounded: you can explain something without saying it's warranted, well-grounded, right, reasonable, or any of that. explanations of people's actions do not have to care for that. the explanation needs to simply be internally consistent. nothing in it needs to justify somebody's behavior because you can explain it, expect it, and still say it's not warranted, unreasonable, and wrong. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882453844] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote> I think saying that something is an expected reaction is basically saying it's a justified reaction, because you shouldn't EXPECT unjustified reactions.</quote> eh? why shouldn't you? you can totally expect unjustified actions. people who are overly emotional, people who are behaving irrationally, or in this case, following a wider pattern of behavior. even if you knew no specifics about this event but knew the way controversy works, the second that thing blew up into issues of doxing and blackmail, there is no way the person who wrote that won't be getting doxed and harassed. zero chance of avoiding that. even if you knew nothing except the hashtag that trended, that's an expected result. there's no justification in that either way, that's just following the pattern. like are we just not using the same definition here or something? http://www.dictionary.com/browse/justified 1 - to show (an act, claim, statement, etc.) to be just or right: 2- to defend or uphold as warranted or well-grounded: you can explain something without saying it's warranted, well-grounded, right, reasonable, or any of that. explanations of people's actions do not have to care for that. the explanation needs to simply be internally consistent. nothing in it needs to justify somebody's behavior because you can explain it, expect it, and still say it's not warranted, unreasonable, and wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 07/06/17 7:00:25 PM #32:	https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:882454183] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 7:04:08 PM #33:	JeffreyRaze posted... How many times have we had people talking about the feelings behind riots in here while still calling them unjustified? EDIT: I know it's not quite the same thing because of the direct connection to the victim's actions, but still/ still the same idea really. you can apply it to many a murder case too, plenty of high profile shooters would fit this mold. hell, we have entire industries and techniques used by both police and psychologists that revolve around the idea of explanation is not justification. your therapist is not there to help you justify your feelings, he's there to help you be able to explain them so you can understand why you feel what you feel. if somebody is under major stress, you totally can expect them to at one point just snap and take it out on somebody. you can explain that but you ain't gonna justify it, and that's how profiles on people work. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882454397] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>JeffreyRaze posted...</cite> <quote>How many times have we had people talking about the feelings behind riots in here while still calling them unjustified? EDIT: I know it's not quite the same thing because of the direct connection to the victim's actions, but still/</quote> still the same idea really. you can apply it to many a murder case too, plenty of high profile shooters would fit this mold. hell, we have entire industries and techniques used by both police and psychologists that revolve around the idea of explanation is not justification. your therapist is not there to help you justify your feelings, he's there to help you be able to explain them so you can understand why you feel what you feel. if somebody is under major stress, you totally can expect them to at one point just snap and take it out on somebody. you can explain that but you ain't gonna justify it, and that's how profiles on people work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 07/06/17 7:07:30 PM #34:	Explaining actions isn't really the same as saying that actions were expected Explaining that Joe Schmoe shot a guy because he felt disrespected isn't the same as going "Well, of course Joe shot him. He disrespected him." Again, it's all about tone. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882454601] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>Explaining actions isn't really the same as saying that actions were expected Explaining that Joe Schmoe shot a guy because he felt disrespected isn't the same as going "Well, of course Joe shot him. He disrespected him." Again, it's all about tone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 7:08:15 PM #35:	HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs yeah... that one's a pretty expected thing really, congress and business go hand in hand unfortunately. there honestly should just be a freeze on you or your direct family buying stocks while you're in office. but this is one of the reasons why it just so happens that congressman became a lot richer once they leave. it's way more than the paycheck they get. it's not just them either, part of the market's surge has been due to these kind of actions against health care. the trump bubble we're in will be terrifying once it crashes. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882454658] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> yeah... that one's a pretty expected thing really, congress and business go hand in hand unfortunately. there honestly should just be a freeze on you or your direct family buying stocks while you're in office. but this is one of the reasons why it just so happens that congressman became a lot richer once they leave. it's way more than the paycheck they get. it's not just them either, part of the market's surge has been due to these kind of actions against health care. the trump bubble we're in will be terrifying once it crashes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 07/06/17 7:09:16 PM #36:	HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs Why isn't this insider trading <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:882454718] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> Why isn't this insider trading</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 07/06/17 7:34:43 PM #37:	Paratroopa1 posted... HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs Why isn't this insider trading The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:882456097] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> Why isn't this insider trading</quote> The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 07/06/17 7:36:25 PM #38:	TX House Speaker blocked the state's bathroom bill btw https://www.texastribune.org/2017/07/05/lawrence-wright-straus-bathroom-bill-comment/ The Governor and Lt. Governor are both scum of the highest order, so I'm thrilled to see somebody relevant standing up to them. --- Congratulations to BKSheikah, winner of the BYIG Guru Contest <cite>Reg posted [p:882456175] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>TX House Speaker blocked the state's bathroom bill btw https://www.texastribune.org/2017/07/05/lawrence-wright-straus-bathroom-bill-comment/ The Governor and Lt. Governor are both scum of the highest order, so I'm thrilled to see somebody relevant standing up to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
woodman 07/06/17 7:43:56 PM #39:	JonThePenguin posted... Paratroopa1 posted... HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs Why isn't this insider trading The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'. It's closer to shorting stocks. ~~i think~~ --- NFUN nice <cite>woodman posted [p:882456555] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>JonThePenguin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> Why isn't this insider trading</quote> The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'.</quote> It's closer to shorting stocks. i think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/06/17 8:11:46 PM #40:	StealThisSheen posted... Explaining actions isn't really the same as saying that actions were expected Explaining that Joe Schmoe shot a guy because he felt disrespected isn't the same as going "Well, of course Joe shot him. He disrespected him." Again, it's all about tone. This is a good post. I was completely lost trying to interpret where Wang was going in this argument and I'm not going back and reading every post leading up to the accusation that he was justifying something, but if it is a matter of tone just like in this example, I can definitely see why people are getting that impression of Wang and also why Wang is not getting that impression of Wang >_> --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:882458068] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Explaining actions isn't really the same as saying that actions were expected Explaining that Joe Schmoe shot a guy because he felt disrespected isn't the same as going "Well, of course Joe shot him. He disrespected him." Again, it's all about tone.</quote> This is a good post. I was completely lost trying to interpret where Wang was going in this argument and I'm not going back and reading every post leading up to the accusation that he was justifying something, but if it is a matter of tone just like in this example, I can definitely see why people are getting that impression of Wang and also why Wang is not getting that impression of Wang >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 8:18:02 PM #41:	what are you even lost on or trying to interpret. expectations aren't justifications, explanations aren't justifications, and if you somehow cross the two despite it literally being told to you that it's not a justification, then you're just plain being disingenuous. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882458399] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>what are you even lost on or trying to interpret. expectations aren't justifications, explanations aren't justifications, and if you somehow cross the two despite it literally being told to you that it's not a justification, then you're just plain being disingenuous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 07/06/17 8:25:33 PM #42:	woodman posted... JonThePenguin posted... Paratroopa1 posted... HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs Why isn't this insider trading The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'. It's closer to shorting stocks. ~~i think~~ What it is is a conflict of interest. How can Conaway be expected to vote for whats best for the public when whats best for himself is determined by his investment in United Health. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:882458770] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>woodman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JonThePenguin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> Why isn't this insider trading</quote> The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'.</quote> It's closer to shorting stocks. i think</quote> What it is is a conflict of interest. How can Conaway be expected to vote for whats best for the public when whats best for himself is determined by his investment in United Health.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 8:28:46 PM #43:	no need to worry about an ethics committee stopping them now though! --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882458929] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>no need to worry about an ethics committee stopping them now though!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 07/06/17 8:31:12 PM #44:	woodman posted... JonThePenguin posted... Paratroopa1 posted... HaRRicH posted... https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs Why isn't this insider trading The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'. It's closer to shorting stocks. ~~i think~~ Negative. --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:882459043] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>woodman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JonThePenguin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Paratroopa1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/883084674087751683 Holy shit. Republicans are buying stocks to profit from their plan to kill hundreds of thousands of poor Americans. https://t.co/WW7iVkLjAI https://t.co/7SN2t4wvUs</quote> Why isn't this insider trading</quote> The vote was public knowledge, not really 'insider'.</quote> It's closer to shorting stocks. i think</quote> Negative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 8:42:06 PM #45:	anybody who's been shorting stocks has gone bankrupt. i mean somebody will win that eventually once the bubble pops. but this bubble is near impossible to predict. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882459588] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>anybody who's been shorting stocks has gone bankrupt. i mean somebody will win that eventually once the bubble pops. but this bubble is near impossible to predict.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/06/17 8:42:33 PM #46:	Wanglicious posted... what are you even lost on or trying to interpret. expectations aren't justifications, explanations aren't justifications, and if you somehow cross the two despite it literally being told to you that it's not a justification, then you're just plain being disingenuous. Did you ever try to turn your television to channels that you didn't get and they were all scrambled (back in the day, like we're talking 20 years ago or so)? When I read other peoples' posts in response to you, it's like the channel comes in perfectly clear. When I read your posts, it's scrambled. If you were a radio broadcast, I wouldn't have access to the frequency you broadcast on. I don't know how to better put it. --- This is literally the answer to every argument or debate in the history of humankind... http://imgur.com/a/8xUjQ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:882459611] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>what are you even lost on or trying to interpret. expectations aren't justifications, explanations aren't justifications, and if you somehow cross the two despite it literally being told to you that it's not a justification, then you're just plain being disingenuous.</quote> Did you ever try to turn your television to channels that you didn't get and they were all scrambled (back in the day, like we're talking 20 years ago or so)? When I read other peoples' posts in response to you, it's like the channel comes in perfectly clear. When I read your posts, it's scrambled. If you were a radio broadcast, I wouldn't have access to the frequency you broadcast on. I don't know how to better put it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 8:49:00 PM #47:	what about it is scrambled to you. like what in particular are you confused on from this page? example, this isn't pretty straightforward: Wanglicious posted... how is literally saying "i'm not justifying this" saying that i'm justifying it. once you saw the reaction of course it's something you could expect. you'd be foolish not to. as is anything before that, saying KP's a liar is direct. what is it that you don't seem to get? the stuff with SEP? what specifically confuses you? --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882459899] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>what about it is scrambled to you. like what in particular are you confused on from this page? example, this isn't pretty straightforward: <cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>how is literally saying "i'm not justifying this" saying that i'm justifying it. once you saw the reaction of course it's something you could expect. you'd be foolish not to.</quote> as is anything before that, saying KP's a liar is direct. what is it that you don't seem to get? the stuff with SEP? what specifically confuses you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 07/06/17 8:52:13 PM #48:	Conflict of Interest. Something nobody seems to give two fucks about anymore. "Oh, you own a savings and loan company. Is this a conflict of interest in voting for regulations on savings and loan companies?" "No." "Well then. It's not a conflict of interest. So go ahead and regulate them the way you see fit. Surely you can be trusted not to fuck things up, and do something that might benefit you. That would make you a right asshole." "I'm okay with that." "With not fucking things up, or being a right asshole?" "Being a right asshole." --- Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool." <cite>Ashethan posted [p:882460052] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>Conflict of Interest. Something nobody seems to give two fucks about anymore. "Oh, you own a savings and loan company. Is this a conflict of interest in voting for regulations on savings and loan companies?" "No." "Well then. It's not a conflict of interest. So go ahead and regulate them the way you see fit. Surely you can be trusted not to fuck things up, and do something that might benefit you. That would make you a right asshole." "I'm okay with that." "With not fucking things up, or being a right asshole?" "Being a right asshole."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 07/06/17 8:59:36 PM #49:	Wanglicious posted... anybody who's been shorting stocks has gone bankrupt. i mean somebody will win that eventually once the bubble pops. but this bubble is near impossible to predict. It doesn't take a company full on collapsing to make money on a short sale, despite that always being the context in fiction. A short sale is essentially a short term loan equivalent to the amount you would make from the sale of stock in a company if you had it. Like a loan and unlike a normal stock, you have to pay interest on it. You just need it to drop enough in the limited time you have it to cover that interest to make some money of off it. I mean it's a gamble for sure (as is the market in general) but it doesn't take a full bubble collapse for a particular company to temporarily lose value. For example, if you had shorted Tesla this week you'd have made money, but Tesla isn't going to fold anytime soon. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:882460379] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>anybody who's been shorting stocks has gone bankrupt. i mean somebody will win that eventually once the bubble pops. but this bubble is near impossible to predict.</quote> It doesn't take a company full on collapsing to make money on a short sale, despite that always being the context in fiction. A short sale is essentially a short term loan equivalent to the amount you would make from the sale of stock in a company if you had it. Like a loan and unlike a normal stock, you have to pay interest on it. You just need it to drop enough in the limited time you have it to cover that interest to make some money of off it. I mean it's a gamble for sure (as is the market in general) but it doesn't take a full bubble collapse for a particular company to temporarily lose value. For example, if you had shorted Tesla this week you'd have made money, but Tesla isn't going to fold anytime soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 07/06/17 9:06:23 PM #50:	nono, i know shorts. investment ain't a field i'm ignorant on and i'm pretty close to a guy who's done this for a living for 30+ years, loving shorts. the market just has had a rocket strapped to its back since Trump won and there's no end in sight. investors who were playing shorts got creamed months ago, any new guy doing it is hoping he doesn't get fucked like they did too. certainly, if you're zeroed in on a company it may be something you can work with (this is me) but picking the losers has been incredibly painful because while you might get one, three others just went up 5%. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:882460718] in Politics C... [t:75538117]...</cite> <quote>nono, i know shorts. investment ain't a field i'm ignorant on and i'm pretty close to a guy who's done this for a living for 30+ years, loving shorts. the market just has had a rocket strapped to its back since Trump won and there's no end in sight. investors who were playing shorts got creamed months ago, any new guy doing it is hoping he doesn't get fucked like they did too. certainly, if you're zeroed in on a company it may be something you can work with (this is me) but picking the losers has been incredibly painful because while you might get one, three others just went up 5%.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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