Board 8 > Board 8 Ranks the Gen VII Pokemon, Part Three: The Top 10

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I hope my #1 wins, but who knows...
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Raka_Putra posted...

I hope my #1 wins

well... yeah
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Glad you agree with me!
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I think that Decidueye wins. Most people can agree that he's either awesome or at least kind of cool. Whereas the others will get bit by apathy (Lycanroc), haters (Mimikyu), or the cons of being an Alola form (Marowak).
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I think it's between Decidueye and Marowak.
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Teaser bump
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5. Lycanroc
Score: 1095
Average Ranking: 26.07 (Standard Deviation: 24.2)
Rock rank: 1/7

Fully Evolved rank: 4/60
Sexy pics courtesy of Brayze_II:
(Steiner note: thanks brayze for actually finding one on imgur already)

1 - Ermine
1 - starfox2245
1 - arti
1 - Steiner
2 - red13n
2 - Inviso
3 - Drakeryn
3 - ScepterOfLove
4 - PrinceKaro
4 - cody11533
6 - TexWolf_1729
7 - mcflubbin
7 - FrostHarpy
9 - VeryInsane
11 - XIII
12 - swirldude
13 - JONALEON1
13 - IHateThisCPU
14 - ecksgem
15 - swordz9
16 - StifledSilence
19 - Cybat
23 - Terastodon
28 - Dragon66116
29 - Raka_Putra
29 - hotdogturtle
32 - xx521xx
32 - eddv
34 - pyresword
34 - Anagram
40 - Luster Soldier
41 - NFUN
42 - ctes
43 - mnkboy907
49 - OrangeCrush
57 - MrSmartGuy
57 - Brayze_II
58 - Whiskey Nick
59 - profDEADPOOL
67 - Paratroopa1
80 - Xuxon
97 - th3l3fty

Ermine: Both forms are amazing. One of the best lines to date in all of Pokemon.

Inviso: It's a real shame that we have to rank Lycanroc as a collective pair, because it would EASILY have topped this list if I were ranking based solely on Midday. Unfortunately, Midnight Lycanroc looks like a wannabe and a tryhard punk with a weak color scheme that ultimately renders it unappealing. Not enough to drop Lycanroc down TOO much, but let me put it this way: if I were ranking Midday Lycanroc as a singular entity...it would rank second behind Espeon in terms of my overall list. In a lot of ways, my reasons for liking Midday are very similar to why I like Espeon. With Espeon, she stands out because Psychic types have a tendency to be these ugly monstrosities that either look disturbingly humanoid, or alien in nature. By bucking the trend and lookign beautiful, Espeon stands out, and manages to boost my appreciation with formidable battle prowess. Midday is the same deal. Rock-types tend to be bulky and jagged and angular, and there's a tendency to be these hulking beasts that walk on two legs (Rhydon/Rhyperior, Armaldo, Aggron, Tyranitar, Regirock, Tyrantrum, Carracosta.) Midday is a Rock-type that LOOKS lean and fit and FAST (which is not a trait often used to describe Rock-types.) It has the speed and the unique priority move to be useful and battle, and honestly? It stands out given how rare mono-type Rock Pokemon are. I just wish they didn't do the dumb split evolution thing for Rockruff, because Midnight really does hold Midday back.

Drakeryn: "Sometimes there are no choices. Sometimes it's history decides. Just have to hope history doesn't get it wrong." - Judah Low (Iron Council) (also, I am just ranking day form)

PrinceKaro: Daytime form is superior.

swordz9: Midday > Night

StifledSilence: Both forms are pretty cool. I approve.

Cybat: I really wanted to like this guy more, but neither of his designs appeal to me that much. And seriously, they gave a signature move to one form but not the other one? Rude.

Raka_Putra: Awesome! Which forme is better?

hotdogturtle: You know how people on the internet always swoon over all the dog and cat Pokemon? I'm the opposite way, those Pokemon turn me off for being boring. That's why Midday form is my less favorite of the two; it's TOO much like a normal wolf (yeah, it's made of rock but you can barely even tell). Midnight form has a cooler design for me since it's at least based on a more ficticious monster. They're both underwhelming though. Midday has an exclusive Rock-type priority move but it's still not worth using.

Luster Soldier: Ranking this Pokemon is tough because it has 2 different forms. My idea to rank this Pokemon was to figure out where each form would have been on my list if the 2 forms had to be ranked separately and then average out their placements. While I think the Midday form is far superior, the Midnight form design doesn't really impress me at all. The Midday form feels like the natural evolution to Rockruff and the Midnight form is too different and unnatural looking. Midday form also has better speed, which is helpful when playing through the game.

ctes: It feels super weird to rank these two together. They're basically two different Pokemon with the same name. And very different too. It's stupid they're not two different Pokemon. It'll just be an annoying mechanic for completing the Pokedex in any future games (except Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon of course). This gets to be somewhat of an average ranking of the two as a result. The midnight version, while having a pleasing speed stat compared to everything else in the game almost, looks pretty bad honestly. I don't really like it. Basically looks like someone woke up the cool form in the morning and it's just too tired to do anything. That form alone would've finished quite low for such a disappointing evolution to a cool Pokemon. The midnight form however, is just what Rockruff needed to turn into. It's super cool. They manages to not just make it bland and give it something cool and unique so that it's not just a bigger, less cute, but stronger looking evolution. Great job there. While not too close to the top, it would've finished higher if these two weren't ranked together.

mnkboy907: Midnight forme sucks, and Midday forme is underwhelming compared to Rockruff. Oh well. It's decent.

Paratroopa1: well lycanroc is kind of really like two different pokemon so I sorta had to split the difference. lycanroc part 1 is a cool but sort of boring wolf. lycanroc part 2 reminds me too much of some kind of terrible sonic character or some shit. one would probably be about 50 and one would probably be about 90 so I met somewhere in the middle. and now because I'm thinking of wolves PART 3 is where I link to WOLF: THE ANIMATED FEATURE and you watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWawc5wOdtY

Too low
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Haha, Rowlet is the only non-Ghost left.
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oh whew, i was worried we were gonna have another houndoom situation. at least i somewhat like everything left now.
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good riddance
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Espeon posted...

Haha, Rowlet is the only non-Ghost left.

Are you surprised? B8 has a super hard on for Ghost and Dark types.
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noooooooooooooo lycanroc
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Midnight form da best
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I was sure I would use Rockruff when it was revealed, but Lycanroc was a disappointment in comparison. Midday just looks malnourished or something.
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I was worried when Rockruff was revealed that his evos wouldn't be that great. Thankfully both of them are completely amazing. Hands down the best line in all of Pokemon :D

I got and used both Midday AND Midnight on my team. Super awesome pokes.
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well i guess decidueye wins
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PrinceKaro posted...

well i guess decidueye wins

You really thought Lycanroc was going to win?

Steiner also told me he thought Lycanroc was going to win on the podcast but I promptly told him it wasn't going to happen.
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ya go my Marowak
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Surprised Rowlet beat out Litten line. Hoping it and Marowak are out next, but yeah rowlet being this high makes me think Decidueye won especially since Ermine ranked Mimikyu really low I think

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

noooooooooooooo lycanroc

http://imgur.com/a/jIFvt

Literally has stone edge
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Zigzagoon posted...

Are you surprised? B8 has a super hard on for Ghost and Dark types.

And yet that didn't seem to save Lunala here and help put it above Solgaleo.
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Brayze_II posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

noooooooooooooo lycanroc

http://imgur.com/a/jIFvt

Literally has stone edge

oh fuck yea
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

oh fuck yea

Credit where credit's due, initial impressions have scarfed rock slide that can't miss causing more chaos than I thought it would. I mean it's not good now, but if it ever gets some coverage like dynamic punch or something then it might have its uses.
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STElNER posted...

Paratroopa1: well lycanroc is kind of really like two different pokemon so I sorta had to split the difference. lycanroc part 1 is a cool but sort of boring wolf. lycanroc part 2 reminds me too much of some kind of terrible sonic character or some shit. one would probably be about 50 and one would probably be about 90 so I met somewhere in the middle. and now because I'm thinking of wolves PART 3 is where I link to WOLF: THE ANIMATED FEATURE and you watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWawc5wOdtY

Midday form would be like 20 on my list and Midnight form about 60 instead. Average those out, and that's how I have Lycanroc at 40 on my list.
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4. Rowlet
Score: 1090
Average Ranking: 25.95 (Standard Deviation: 18.9)
Grass rank: 2/14
Flying rank: 1/8
Not Fully Evolved rank: 1/39
Sexy pics courtesy of Brayze_II:

1 - cody11533
1 - Raka_Putra
2 - mnkboy907
4 - profDEADPOOL
5 - VeryInsane
5 - ecksgem
7 - arti
7 - Dragon66116
7 - pyresword
8 - ctes
8 - Paratroopa1
9 - starfox2245
9 - TexWolf_1729
14 - Inviso
14 - swirldude
15 - NFUN
16 - JONALEON1
16 - Brayze_II
19 - Luster Soldier
22 - Anagram
24 - swordz9
26 - OrangeCrush
28 - ScepterOfLove
28 - Whiskey Nick
30 - Ermine
31 - red13n
32 - Drakeryn
33 - Cybat
34 - xx521xx
35 - IHateThisCPU
36 - StifledSilence
37 - th3l3fty
40 - MrSmartGuy
41 - FrostHarpy
42 - eddv
43 - Terastodon
44 - Xuxon
46 - mcflubbin
53 - Steiner
64 - XIII
73 - hotdogturtle
81 - PrinceKaro

Raka_Putra: Ah yes, the most adorable starter Pokemon to ever start. Rowlet is just so precious with its little leaf bowtie and its very round body. OMG. I just want to cuddle one for the rest of my life.
mnkboy907: Adorable little Grass owl. Loved it from the very beginning

profDEADPOOL: Owliver Queen best starter family

ctes: Rowlet is the best gen 7 NFE there is. (Steiner note: tru) It's super loveable and while the anime has little impact this ranking because so little of it is out, Rowlet is where it gets to have influence. I love Ash's Rowlet. It's hillarious. Rowlet really is a perfect NFE in general.

Paratroopa1: it was the moment that they announced that there would be an owl starter that I knew sun and moon was going to be the best pokemon game ever, and lo and behold, it was, and nobody was surprised, except for all of the wrong people who don't think it's the best pokemon game ever

Inviso: It's an absolutely adorable owl that actually made me want to choose the Grass starter for the first time in forever. Not bad at all.

Luster Soldier: In the past, Grass starters in each generation have faced a serious uphill battle to receive majority support for their respective generation. Back in Gen I, the starter battle was between Charmander and Squirtle, with Bulbasaur being a distant third place (sorry Bulbasaur fans). There is a sizable minority that always pick the Fire starter since their first starter was Charmander, or those who always pick Water since their first starter was Squirtle. Because of this, future Grass starters were at a disadvantage because their ""guaranteed"" fanbase was much smaller than the Fire and Water starters.

For a Grass starter to get the majority support for a specific generation, it comes down to 2 main factors - a Grass starter with a great design, plus the other 2 starters being a disappointment upon reveal to win the support of people who have no specific preference for any starter type. The reveal of Rowlet was the first time this trend would be defied. Some people made their choice immediately upon reveal, which is why it's a good thing that Rowlet impressed people upon the initial reveal. The later reveals of the evolutions also helped out Rowlet's cause, since the official reveal of Incineroar didn't really impress too many people on the Fire side and the same for Brionne/Primarina on the Water side for being too feminine.

swordz9: Adorable little owl

Cybat: Oh hey, owls are cute.

StifledSilence: Reasonably cute owl.

PrinceKaro: Though useless in most other ways, Rowlet will give you 3 experience points if you brutally kick it between two upright poles.

PrinceKaro: Though useless in most other ways, Rowlet will give you 3 experience points if you brutally kick it between two upright poles.

Okay *what did the owl do to you*? O_O'
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Wow, great top 3. Go team.
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STElNER posted...

Luster Soldier: In the past, Grass starters in each generation have faced a serious uphill battle to receive majority support for their respective generation. Back in Gen I, the starter battle was between Charmander and Squirtle, with Bulbasaur being a distant third place (sorry Bulbasaur fans). There is a sizable minority that always pick the Fire starter since their first starter was Charmander, or those who always pick Water since their first starter was Squirtle. Because of this, future Grass starters were at a disadvantage because their ""guaranteed"" fanbase was much smaller than the Fire and Water starters.

For a Grass starter to get the majority support for a specific generation, it comes down to 2 main factors - a Grass starter with a great design, plus the other 2 starters being a disappointment upon reveal to win the support of people who have no specific preference for any starter type. The reveal of Rowlet was the first time this trend would be defied. Some people made their choice immediately upon reveal, which is why it's a good thing that Rowlet impressed people upon the initial reveal. The later reveals of the evolutions also helped out Rowlet's cause, since the official reveal of Incineroar didn't really impress too many people on the Fire side and the same for Brionne/Primarina on the Water side for being too feminine.

There's a mistake in my write-up. I only intended for one set of quotation marks to be placed around the word "guaranteed", not two sets of quotation marks. I'm guessing a second set of quotation marks might have been added as a result of Steiner copying the write-up from my spreadsheet submission and pasting it into the post message area (or somewhere else like Notepad or another program).
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This is a critical mistake, Steiner. I hope you can live with what you've done.
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Only one chance at a spot-on ranking left for me. Also, all-ghost final three. Not the HUGEST fan of Alola Marowak, but it IS a definite improvement over the original design at least.
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My remaining Pokemon:

26
29
55


STElNER posted...

PrinceKaro: Though useless in most other ways, Rowlet will give you 3 experience points if you brutally kick it between two upright poles.

Oh no, Karo. I'm really disappointed you put Rowlet so low on your list because it's cute and you generally like cute stuff just like I do.
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I'm very surprised Alolan Marowak is so high.

Cubone still better.
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Karo has always hated birds
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2, 3, 28

I am very happy with this top 3.
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2, 6, and 23. Not bad.
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1, 4, 18

C'mon 1 and 4!
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Xuxon posted...

Karo has always hated birds

I don't think that's true, because Karo had Oricorio high on his list.
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So many ctes writeups are very similar to my own thoughts.
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1, 15, 16

Good top 3. Though I'm still hoping for my #1 to come through.
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5, 22, 40-something I think. Come on 5!
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29, 57, 65

oh well

1, ?, 58

All I can tell from my phone since I still can't look myself up. My 1 and 58 should be obvious, but I can't remember where I ranked the other.
Probably top 5-10 though

15, 29, 38

kind of expected
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24, 31, 39

Drab
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I'm predicting Mimikyu is out next. I just see it having too much potential for hate compared to the other two (especially since it's still Ermine's 97 or something, so that's a huge chunk of the score already.)
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Inviso posted...

I'm predicting Mimikyu is out next. I just see it having too much potential for hate compared to the other two (especially since it's still Ermine's 97 or something, so that's a huge chunk of the score already.)

Mimikyu will also be very low on Nick's list as well.
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I want Mimikyu to win, but pretty sure Decidueye is winning so hopefully Marowak-A is out next at least

Bleh, Mimikyu is probably going to lose because of the Pokecast hosts then...
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