Board 8 > A Feast for Crows Mafia 12: Words are Wind

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Also leo I'm going to remind you who attacked you for the death roleblocked comment and who it was to back you and say your pov made perfect sense.

My Immortal posted...

Scare always wants me dead, that's nothing new.

I wondered why you guys shot scare n1. Thanks for sating my curiosity.

Rereading because I'm looking for a specific post but:

Red T10P188
"Also leo eased my paranoia a bit but i have to get out that han is 100% the type that will hammer a town over scum and thiink he can get away with it."

Throwing shade on VI
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Literally called it paranoia, nana.

Unless you think VI was 100% confirmed at that point. You are literally going to argue its wrong for town to ignore possibilities?

You who was literally just trying to feed us some scum psychic roleblocker or whatever the hell you were arguing.

Here we go. T10P101

Leo3L posted...
"Before today ends, everyone should make their opinion known on every other player."

Followed by my post

"MI: Scum. Too much protection.

KBM: Probably also scum based on how she's misconstruing and making stuff up. She claims that "Nana has suspected me all game and done nothing", when she's done the same thing. Claims that Puns/Shad were covering for me day 1, but that's not true when you go back and read both the games and the votals, even if I were scum.

Red: don't like how he misconstrued my statements on Leo. If KBM isn't scum, it's Red.

VI: I feel reasonably fine on VI, considering I feel he hasnt done anything. Honestly, he's a lot like MI minus the protection claim - they ended day 1 together on Dowolf, they both MLd Dowolf day 2, they both gunned for me yesterday. Meh.

Leo: I think he's probably an Indy, but that doesn't really matter because there's no reason to lynch him anyways. Having even numbers means scum can't benefit from a quick hammer and they can't shoot him.

Death and Puns im putting together - could really go either way. I liked Puns yesterday, got paranoid, like him more now. I'll buy Death 100% if we see a roleblocker flip."

Bearing in mind the following:
1) My vote at the time of this post is on MI
2) Both Red and MI follow this post within 7 posts, ~30 minutes after my post, so odds of not reading the above post are minimal.

MI has no reaction to me calling him scum and me having a vote on him. This doesn't phase Red at all who just ignores my post, despite it listing MI as scum and him as my third scumspect.

This is completely counter to this new "Nana called MI scum and MI didn't respond guys!" argument that Red seems to be making.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Literally called it paranoia, nana.

Shade in the guise of paranoia.
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And sorry im kind of restating this, but i literally asked leo to confirm with me that everyone thought VI was town so that i could trust my perspective on the game.

Leafeon13N posted...

Unless you think VI was 100% confirmed at that point. You are literally going to argue its wrong for town to ignore possibilities?

You who was literally just trying to feed us some scum psychic roleblocker or whatever the hell you were arguing.

About 80 posts prior I have VI listed as a town read.

And literally here you're saying "town should entertain possibilities", but then trash on me for "entertaining a psychic bus driver" (like, if you're going to trash on my statements, at least get them fucking right)
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Nanahara715 posted...

This is completely counter to this new "Nana called MI scum and MI didn't respond guys!" argument that Red seems to be making.

Today is a totally different scenario because a mislynch ends the game

Also pretty sure we were choosing between you and kbm yesterday.

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Unless you think VI was 100% confirmed at that point. You are literally going to argue its wrong for town to ignore possibilities?

You who was literally just trying to feed us some scum psychic roleblocker or whatever the hell you were arguing.

About 80 posts prior I have VI listed as a town read.

And literally here you're saying "town should entertain possibilities", but then trash on me for "entertaining a psychic bus driver" (like, if you're going to trash on my statements, at least get them fucking right)

Pretty sure whatever the hell you were arguing covered that nana.

Also the fact you like to fake anger as scum is duly noted.

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Unless you think VI was 100% confirmed at that point. You are literally going to argue its wrong for town to ignore possibilities?

You who was literally just trying to feed us some scum psychic roleblocker or whatever the hell you were arguing.

About 80 posts prior I have VI listed as a town read.

And literally here you're saying "town should entertain possibilities", but then trash on me for "entertaining a psychic bus driver" (like, if you're going to trash on my statements, at least get them fucking right)

Town should entertain reasonable possibilities.

And we aren't far from a game i helped win despite your CE group pushing batshit crazy conspiracy theories that could have easily cost us a game. So you should know damn well what i mean by reasonable possibilities.

Leafeon13N posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Unless you think VI was 100% confirmed at that point. You are literally going to argue its wrong for town to ignore possibilities?

You who was literally just trying to feed us some scum psychic roleblocker or whatever the hell you were arguing.

About 80 posts prior I have VI listed as a town read.

And literally here you're saying "town should entertain possibilities", but then trash on me for "entertaining a psychic bus driver" (like, if you're going to trash on my statements, at least get them fucking right)

Pretty sure whatever the hell you were arguing covered that nana.

Also the fact you like to fake anger as scum is duly noted.

And this line here is all you need to lynch Red today.
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Nana that line is literally just me saying you have faked anger a lot this game and are scum.

Leafeon13N posted...

And sorry im kind of restating this, but i literally asked leo to confirm with me that everyone thought VI was town so that i could trust my perspective on the game.

I don't think you ever were certain about it though
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Leafeon13N posted...

Nana that line is literally just me saying you have faked anger a lot this game and are scum.

the only player saying that I fake anger as scum is MI, so now you're backing him up despite declaring him scum?
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VeryInsane posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

And sorry im kind of restating this, but i literally asked leo to confirm with me that everyone thought VI was town so that i could trust my perspective on the game.

I don't think you ever were certain about it though

Definitely not. Thats why i asked for reassurance.

Leo, did you ever go back and read Crystal Chronicles last day?
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There was someone who backed Nana against KBM and their perspective on how end of Day worked out. I think it was MI but I need to look again
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Nanahara715 posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Nana that line is literally just me saying you have faked anger a lot this game and are scum.

the only player saying that I fake anger as scum is MI, so now you're backing him up despite declaring him scum?

Nana you faking anger wasnt part of my argument. It was a literal note that you faked anger a lot this game. It had 0 to do with me tjinking you are scum.

I'm going to remind people that the only faction that comez into a game certain about alignments is scum(sk games not entirely withstanding)

VeryInsane posted...

There was someone who backed Nana against KBM and their perspective on how end of Day worked out. I think it was MI but I need to look again

It was MI
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Han's refusal to vote to save himself indicates to me that his lynch was preplanned. Unlikely KBM was involved based on her late vote.

Pre-planned "Han lynch" indicates to me that VI/MI not likely involved.

Puns probably scum because he started the Han lynch. Argument there is that after a mass claim, tracker was useless.

Death probably also scum because why is gen still alive? Why kill Jeff instead of Death? Outside chance at Red here.

More opinions later because I'm baking a cinnamon bun pie. But... hmmm.

Wondering if Nana is brushing MI away here
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God that post was so bad

Let's not forget that Nana went from "I'm trusting puns to lynch Han" to "Puns is scum because Han flipped scum".
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My Immortal posted...

God that post was so bad

Let's not forget that Nana went from "I'm trusting puns to lynch Han" to "Puns is scum because Han flipped scum".

This is a gross misrepresentation - it was because Han flipped "useless scum role that would have been no longer needed."
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Leafeon13N posted...

I'm going to remind people that the only faction that comez into a game certain about alignments is scum(sk games not entirely withstanding)

Basically, what im tling you here is that nanas attempt to paint me scum for being mildly wary of VI is a load of scum shit. Town should constantly be questioning whether their reads are right or wrong, they shouldn't come in thinking they are absolutely certain unless confirmed roles dictate this.

I'm going on record AGAIN as saying that despite MI and Red being "positive"I'm scum, neither wants to put a vote down.
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It's as if neither one wants to give away what they actually want to do (which is lynch me).
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I mean, neither do Leo/Puns/I
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"But it doesn't matter because Leo blah blah", as if they can't change their votes later, as if they expect VI and Puns to swoop in and end day.
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VeryInsane posted...

I mean, neither do Leo/Puns/I

As what I'm considering a confirmed town player, making your voting intentions known is less critical.
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Why don't you think puns could be scum any longer nana?
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The thing about Nana's flip on me after han's lynch was it basically implied he wasn't reading me as town before it happened and was just calling me town.

Like, I was voting han on day 1. Shouldn't matter that he was Tracker or any role.
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Nanahara715 posted...

I'm going on record AGAIN as saying that despite MI and Red being "positive"I'm scum, neither wants to put a vote down.

Pretty sure I've gone over this, multiple times.

Day ends when leo says day ends.

Leafeon13N posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm going on record AGAIN as saying that despite MI and Red being "positive"I'm scum, neither wants to put a vote down.

Pretty sure I've gone over this, multiple times.

Day ends when leo says day ends.

Not a response.

Your vote plus MI's vote has no bearing on when Day ends, because you can't force a majority with just the two of you.

This is just an excuse to not put down a vote and make your intentions known.
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red at least feels consistent but I think he's the best scum player of the bunch so idk
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Meanwhile Nana has been all over the place and I haven't really seen MI attack anyone all game
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VeryInsane posted...

red at least feels consistent but I think he's the best scum player of the bunch so idk

Losing a game on reputation would sting immensely, i hope you know.

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm going on record AGAIN as saying that despite MI and Red being "positive"I'm scum, neither wants to put a vote down.

I've made it clear that so Leo/VI/Puns don't think I'm trying to push one of you/red for nefarious reasons, I will vote whichever of you they decide to vote for.
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VeryInsane posted...

Meanwhile Nana has been all over the place and I haven't really seen MI attack anyone all game

Really?

From just memory this game I've attacked dowolf, death, shad, leo, nana, and red
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Leo3L posted...

Why don't you think puns could be scum any longer nana?

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I want you all to know I'm sleep deprived in an unhealthy way for this game.

Same

How many confirmed town players does it take to screw in a light bulb? The answer: more than 7, apparently

POST GAME CHATS ARE ALWAYS FULL OF PEOPLE SAYING SCUM X WAS SO OBVIOUS I DON'T GET IT. Maybe that's why scum blocked me and not death. Dowolf would be too powerful.
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Do masons have more to add

Feels weird that they are so quiet
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No they are largely passive. Scare still wants to kill MI and FFD has no strong opinions. Stan said "I told you so" about KBM but I'm still unclear who he wants yo lynch and Boko fell down a well.

How does scum win if Nana is scum and gets lynched last day?
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My Immortal posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Meanwhile Nana has been all over the place and I haven't really seen MI attack anyone all game

Really?

From just memory this game I've attacked dowolf, death, shad, leo, nana, and red

Yeah but you haven't like openly attacked them, like you would switch a lot and wouldn't just grill them
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My head and gut both say Nana is a good lynch today but I've been so off that I would rather consult with you both first
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I also think scum was trying to push a death is scum idea out which I believe both Nana and red both briefly considered (Nana moreso)
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