Board 8 > A Feast for Crows Mafia 12: Words are Wind

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Preserved (6):
1) bng_mmmk
8) Leafeon13N
9) Leo3L
11) My_Immortal
13) Nanahara715
17) VeryInsane

Consumed:
LD1: FFD - The High Sparrow, TOWN Bulletproof
KN1: Scare - Brienne of Tarth, TOWN Double Voting Protector
KN1: Stan - Doran Martell, TOWN Ninja Cop
LD2: dowolf - Osney Kettleblack, TOWN Vanilla
KN2: MajinZidane - Marillion, TOWN Bodyguard
KN2: DoomTheGyarados - Victarion Greyjoy, GREYJOY Persistant Strongman Vigilante
LD3: Shaduln - Theon Greyjoy, GREYJOY Ninja Godfather
LD4: Han - Asha Greyjoy, GREYJOY Tracker
KN4: Jeff_Zero - Lady Stoneheart, TOWN One-shot Vigilante
LD5: Vengeful_KBM - Randyll Tarly, TOWN Vanilla
KN5: Death - Rorge, TOWN Thief

With 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch! Day ends on Monday at 9 PM!

Current and past votals in my next post.
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Tag
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Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

I mean, "you can't control scum being more worried about me than Death and you" ?

That seems pretty damn achievable!

'Oh I have a track, a watch and a bus drive"

"I can stop Death from being roleblocked tonight so we'll get off one scan guaranteed teehee"

you get the idea. That's the one thing in your scenario you can control.

In my mind that would be transparent - why claim the watch if that's what I have.

It's a skill I openly admit I need to develop.

Oh I guess I just thought of another bluff, when I was a jack in Hamilton and only claimed gambler then you claimed Jack and I countered you.

That's just one example.

You could have gone full super saiyan just to make scum want to shoot you. Instead, you just...slunk around.

I want to know why you didn't do more to draw a kill, even if you say you have no bluffing skills and no ideas to draw a roleblock.

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Because I wasn't sure of your alignment or your actually number of recruits at that time, being killed wasn't a guarantee of helping town at that time. Being roleblocked was better and a mystery power had a better chance of being blocked, in my head.
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Oh, I remember your super sketchy attack on me early D4.
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I used 'at that time' twice in the same sentence.

I deserve to be lynched now tbqh
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I don't think it's sketchy to have a skepticism to what is probably the weirdest role I've ever seen!
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Current votals:
Red[1]: Nana

(Day 5 ending votals)
[5] KBM: Nana, Leo, red, death, VI
[3] Nana: (KBM), (Leo), (MI), (puns), MI, puns, KBM
[0] red: (puns), (KBM)
[0] MI: (Leo), (Nana)

(Day 4 ending votals)
[5] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff, red, Nana
[3] Nana: MI, VI, KBM
[2] KBM: (Leo), Han, Death

(Day 3 ending votals)
[6] Shad: Leo, Death, Jeff, MI, red, Han
[1] Han: Shad, (puns)

(Day 2 ending votals)
[7] dowolf: (KBM), (MI), (Death), Boko, (Leo), VI, Shad, MI, (KBM), (Leo), Jeff, KBM, Han
[6] VI: Nana, (Chris), dowolf, (Puns), (Chris), puns, Chris, Leo, red
[1] Puns: (Chris), (Shad), death
[0] Shad: (Puns), (Leo), (MI), (red), (Leo), (puns), (puns), (Chris), (KBM)
[0] Leo: (Chris)
[0] death: (VI), (Han), (MI), (KBM), (Shad)
[0] Jeff: (dowolf)
[0] Nana: (MI)

(Day 1 ending votals)
[7] FFD: red, death, (Leo), KBM, Scare, Jeff, puns, Leo
[5] puns: Shad, Stan, Han, (dowolf), Nana, Scare2
[2] dowolf: (Chris), (MI), (Leo), MI, VI, (puns), (Leo)
[1] Han: (puns), FFD
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] Nana: (Chris), (KBM), (MI), (KBM), (Stan), dowolf
[0] Chris: (puns), (Scare), (Nana)
[0] death: (VI)
[0] MysteriousStan: (Han), (dowolf), (Jeff Zero), (puns), (Leo), (death)
[0] Scare: (Leo), (Stan), (puns), (Death)
[0] Boko: (MI), (KBM)
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)
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Ehhhhh does scum really have a persistent vigilante and a ninja that do nothing for them? Is that a trap
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Leo3L posted...

Ehhhhh does scum really have a persistent vigilante and a ninja that do nothing for them? Is that a trap

this is the only thing that stopped me from burning MI on the spot yesterday. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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They do not.

(I know I am not the one you are asking)
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It is late and I need to go to bed.

Good night
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btw leo if it wasnt clear from yesterday. You tell me to vote I vote.

Also side note of a thought sitting back in my head. Pre-emptive grats to puns if he is scum. Hes the only person not 100% confirmed that isn't really up for lynch discussion at all.

In all likelihood, assuming you are town, good job convincing all of us you were town.

Yes, both of these statements basically end the same way. Its just way more impressive if hes scum.
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Is anyone else actually here, I know MI is gone to bed but I don't know if anyone else is still here.
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I'm here, but not for very much longer before I fall asleep. If you have new observations, I'll listen to them.
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My stuff is on the table I think.
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Any observations that aren't from the past 3 hours?
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Leo3L posted...

Any observations that aren't from the past 3 hours?

Not right now. The game kind of boxed itself in in that time.

When this discussion really started with me, I was literally posting while driving home. It transitioned to posting while ordering dinner, then posting while eating dinner. Then I got home and was posting between changing out of my work uniform and getting my pets settled. I finally got sit and relax for the last bit of it.

I got a gist of everything that had been said when I was looking to see that I was right that MI hadn't really pressed anyone today aside a few token comments.
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Also bad story the mexican food place I ordered my dinner at was calling my number for like 5 minutes and I didn't notice because i was too engrossed in the game. I haven't gotten to live to a true contested endgame in awhile(Have I ever? I'm not sure). The adrenaline running through me was real.
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This is certainly the most interesting mafia situation that I can recall, win or lose
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tag
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So Leo, Puns, which person of the three do you like the most?
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MI

Pros: Claim
Cons: Claim

Red

Pros: ...
Cons: ...

Nana

Pros: Questionable play
Cons: Questionable play

It's...a tough one! And I have to go back to work tomorrow. Bah.
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If I wanted to just hit scum today, I'd vote for MI. If I wanted to win the game, I would decide between Nana and Red.

Although

Much like Shad wasn't the mafia roleblocker, who's to say MI is actually the scum busdriver, if he's scum? So maybe that's fine.
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hey guys, my evening got really off track. had to deal with my landlord because my water heater was fucky, then dinner plans fell through which resulted in me eating out alone ie. drinking, and then well I did me

didn't get my d2 read done. really I think we shouldn't base it off this day. because everybody is cornered and so the arguments kinda become easier for them because of that. like you have one path forward so you just vehemently go that way. I still want to reread past days to better decide
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Leo3L posted...

Much like Shad wasn't the mafia roleblocker, who's to say MI is actually the scum busdriver, if he's scum? So maybe that's fine.

Shad is probably the first not mafia roleblocker mafia to claim town roleblocker in forever.

Can you imagine if we flipped scum roleblocker that day? We'd have been fucked forever.
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red13n posted...

Leo3L posted...

Much like Shad wasn't the mafia roleblocker, who's to say MI is actually the scum busdriver, if he's scum? So maybe that's fine.

Shad is probably the first not mafia roleblocker mafia to claim town roleblocker in forever.

Can you imagine if we flipped scum roleblocker that day? We'd have been fucked forever.

what?
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you know what fuck it, 2am but it's crunch time I'll just read end of day 2 now
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Scare was rereading Pun's reread and points out an interesting find.

MI

Would not lynch:
Turbo - ????
Chris - Scum
Jeff - Town
KBM - Town

Don't see a reason to lynch:
Han - Scum
Death - Town
red - ???
Shad - Scum
VI - Town

Which leaves the following:

3) dowolf - Town
4) FFDragon - Town
9) Leo3L - Town
10) MajinZidane - Town
12) MysteriousStan - Town
13) Nanahara715 - ???
14) ScareChan - Town

Even though MI crosses off me and Boko from his lynch short list, it's still almost all town. Maybe it is all Town. You'd think that sheer random chance would yield more scum in a list. I maintain Shad was never neutral worthy.

I'm also very curious about when Puns shifted from "will not lynch" to "will try and murder with a bus drive"

I don't have time to reread all of day one and day two again to pinpoint if this is a HOT LEAD or not.
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bng_mmmk posted...

you know what fuck it, 2am but it's crunch time I'll just read end of day 2 now

Yeah my sleep schedule is hella fucked from 3 weeks of vacation.

Don't suppose you remember off hand MI's opinions towards you over the course of the early game?
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Leo3L posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

you know what fuck it, 2am but it's crunch time I'll just read end of day 2 now

Yeah my sleep schedule is hella fucked from 3 weeks of vacation.

Don't suppose you remember off hand MI's opinions towards you over the course of the early game?

I was on him and then he came back and I liked what he was doing but I don't remember if he said anything about me, if he did my guess would be it was positive because I'd probably remember a negative.

short answer, no
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That's fine, I'm having a 1 am epiphany. I'm in the zone.
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Leo3L posted...

Even though MI crosses off me and Boko from his lynch short list, it's still almost all town. Maybe it is all Town. You'd think that sheer random chance would yield more scum in a list. I maintain Shad was never neutral worthy.

I'm also very curious about when Puns shifted from "will not lynch" to "will try and murder with a bus drive"

I don't have time to reread all of day one and day two again to pinpoint if this is a HOT LEAD or not.

well if I may, random chance isn't the same as reading a game. like it's actually completely different in every way.
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bng_mmmk posted...

Leo3L posted...

Even though MI crosses off me and Boko from his lynch short list, it's still almost all town. Maybe it is all Town. You'd think that sheer random chance would yield more scum in a list. I maintain Shad was never neutral worthy.

I'm also very curious about when Puns shifted from "will not lynch" to "will try and murder with a bus drive"

I don't have time to reread all of day one and day two again to pinpoint if this is a HOT LEAD or not.

well if I may, random chance isn't the same as reading a game. like it's actually completely different in every way.

I mean, don't you think that kind of grouping suggests the information that comes with being scum? You'd think a town MI who was reading the game would get least some scum in his "to lynch" list.
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Leo3L posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Leo3L posted...

Even though MI crosses off me and Boko from his lynch short list, it's still almost all town. Maybe it is all Town. You'd think that sheer random chance would yield more scum in a list. I maintain Shad was never neutral worthy.

I'm also very curious about when Puns shifted from "will not lynch" to "will try and murder with a bus drive"

I don't have time to reread all of day one and day two again to pinpoint if this is a HOT LEAD or not.

well if I may, random chance isn't the same as reading a game. like it's actually completely different in every way.

I mean, don't you think that kind of grouping suggests the information that comes with being scum? You'd think a town MI who was reading the game would get least some scum in his "to lynch" list.

well probably, but Nana has a high chance to be scum and also, what fear does scum MI have in putting scum in a list of...7?

granted MI/Nana is within the realm of possibility
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MI

It is convenient but the fact that Chris knows there was a bus drive means he did target turbo, not Stan, and if turbo is town scum wouldn't have tried to kill him.

Plus what red said about being counter claimed.

Although I'm not convinced a town vig should counterclaim. Wouldn't it be better to just shoot Chris tonight?

MI

It's not a bus driver claim

Margary Tyrell, Jack with a bus drive used to protect Stan which failed because persistent and I'm mad my power was so easily countered

So, let me get this straight.

MI knew scum got around his bus drive and killed Stan

But also was okay with Chris because he knew about the bus drive and really did target turbo?

I think this the line. The winning line. On your day two reread, scrutinize MI/Chris. I'm doing the same.
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I'm not sure that I'm seeing the line. is the first post from d2 and the second from d3?
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Yes to both.

The line is the very notion of MI not immediately murdering Chris, in general.
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"I'm the bus driver. I switched Puns and Stan but Stan died anyway. Chris is scum"

(N2, claim psychic)
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Leo3L posted...

"I'm the bus driver. I switched Puns and Stan but Stan died anyway. Chris is scum"

(N2, claim psychic)

but chris claimed to shoot me?

I mean it seems like a probable lie now but I believed him when he said it and nobody every contested his claim.
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bng_mmmk posted...

Leo3L posted...

"I'm the bus driver. I switched Puns and Stan but Stan died anyway. Chris is scum"

(N2, claim psychic)

but chris claimed to shoot me?

I mean it seems like a probable lie now but I believed him when he said it and nobody every contested his claim.

Yes

That is exactly my issue!!!!

How does town bus driver not contest that claim!
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How are you THIS fine with someone who claims to have killed the guy you KNOW scum murdered through your bus drive.

Boko posted...

Hey @My_Immortal What do you think of Chris?

MI posted...

Unsure. His claim seems unnecessary and risky as scum, but I've learned first hand not to write Chris off as town based on things like that. He hasn't said anything that has really pinged me as negative and he's been consistent. All things considered, it's probably just Chris-fear that's keeping me from saying town.

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Leo3L posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

Leo3L posted...

"I'm the bus driver. I switched Puns and Stan but Stan died anyway. Chris is scum"

(N2, claim psychic)

but chris claimed to shoot me?

I mean it seems like a probable lie now but I believed him when he said it and nobody every contested his claim.

Yes

That is exactly my issue!!!!

How does town bus driver not contest that claim!

if there is something clever you are insinuating I'm not able to follow it right now

as I understand it

MI bussed me and stan night 1

day 2 chris claimed he was a vig who shot me

thus the shot hit stan

stan ded

???
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A persistent strongman vigilante without redirecting roles in the game is still a strongman vigilante.

A ninja godfather without trackers or watchers in the game is still a godfather.

Scum is capable of using that trinket text to their advantage when coming up with claims.

MI did not have a town bus driver perspective D2.

##Vote: MI
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...but Chris flipped night 2?

like can you spell out the wrong perspective here I am seriously not with you lol
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No, I see the confusion now. I may be a little sleep deprived. That's my bad. You can ignore a lot of that.

But I agree with the sentiment regardless...!
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Instead, let's pretend I only mention the part where he tells Boko he likes Chris as Town and the part where I throw out the flipped scum role meta that prevented me from lynching him yesterday like I really should have.
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Leo3L posted...

How are you THIS fine with someone who claims to have killed the guy you KNOW scum murdered through your bus drive.

Boko posted...

Hey @My_Immortal What do you think of Chris?

MI posted...

Unsure. His claim seems unnecessary and risky as scum, but I've learned first hand not to write Chris off as town based on things like that. He hasn't said anything that has really pinged me as negative and he's been consistent. All things considered, it's probably just Chris-fear that's keeping me from saying town.

Is this from day 2 as well?
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I tried to read that right now leo and got totally lost. I'm glad I wasn't alone and crazy.
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well I assume it is because chris died n2
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