Board 8 > A Feast for Crows Mafia 12: Words are Wind

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Whatever, MI is scum, I just feel it in my bones okay

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Leo I think you are mixing up the timeline

like, on day 2 we didn't know chris was lying about being a town vig who shot me

so how was town MI who bussed me and stan supposed to know the things you are insinuating he knew?


tbh I'm not in a totally different camp just based on player behavior today. but I'm reading your posts and you're literally walking into a brick wall while staring straight at the ground through a magnifying glass.
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Puns I've already abandoned that line? I bumped into a wall and then got up, brushed myself off and carried on down the street.

MI is just scum for the regular reason of accepting Chris's bullshit so happily and way too much town power/protection. I mean, I can only speak for myself, but that series of ridiculous coincidences made me strongly dislike Chris from the get go, even though I kept it to myself because I would enjoy arguing with him at that time.
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I have only at 1 point ever walked directly into a wall while looking down(Or whatever direction I was looking, I don't know if it was down specifically).

It was a pole actually. Never have walked into a wall but walking into a solid pole in front of you is just as bad/embarassing. I was 9 years old or something close to that at the time.
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MI:

Instead of pointing out that half my posts don't make sense, please repeat the flavour of your three jack abilities.
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Leo3L posted...

Puns I've already abandoned that line? I bumped into a wall and then got up, brushed myself off and carried on down the street.

MI is just scum for the regular reason of accepting Chris's bullshit so happily and way too much town power/protection. I mean, I can only speak for myself, but that series of ridiculous coincidences made me strongly dislike Chris from the get go, even though I kept it to myself because I would enjoy arguing with him at that time.

I'm left to assume that you are talking with your ghost friends and not being totally forthcoming with everything. It's either that or just the fact I'm up way past my bedtime. Chances are decent MI is scum and a vote isn't necessarily a risk with 2v4 so go to town.
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alright it's too late for me to make it through all of the D2 lynch and make a comprehensive post

however I'll cut to something I know is important

red, what made you decide to vote VI over dowolf?

nana, I know you started the VI train but can you articulate why again today?

MI, why dowolf?
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bng_mmmk posted...

red, what made you decide to vote VI over dowolf?

I wasn't really happy with the way the lynch was feeling but I thought dowolf had a higher chance of being town than VI. I also felt like I had to give chris a small benefit of the doubt because he was uncountered vigilante. We were ticking down to deadline and there wasn't a third option.
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I read it back for a refresher real quick. A couple quick things to add to that.

For one, look at the people on the dowolf lynch at the time? Do you think I trusted any of them? You've heard enough of my rants on boko.

Second I've been playing mafia with dowolf for a hell of a long time. I can read him as scum pretty well I'd think, and I wasn't really feeling it(Not to say I was certain he was town, but I didn't have a scum lean on him. Yes, this is a weird way to explain things, I know).

Also I thought I had been somewhere prior to deadline and mentioned it and I did(I was the beach with my dog, I don't get cell service there)
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Also chris did a good job that day of currying my favor by jumping on the shad lynch and then leading me away. Leo's scan makes me feel a good bit better because my read following the day 3 flip of Chris was that he was smelling blood on a town/town lynch the day prior.
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Leo you are breaking my heart

Why wouldn't I have trusted the vig claim? What scum claims vig to start day 2 instantly like that with almost every alive player unclaimed? What scum and opens themselves up to being counterclaimed or shot at night?

I even stated that I the 'gotcha' post you quoted!

MI posted...

Wouldn't it be better to just shoot Chris tonight?

If there was a vig, Chris was dead. If there wasn't, he was town that shot puns and I made kill the cop. I couldn't imagine scum Chris making such a reckless play with that claim.

And this is even ignoring the other half if your posts. Look at the way red melted down and came at only me and not the other half of the scum team in Nana. He is going for the win today.

Leo3L posted...

MI:

Instead of pointing out that half my posts don't make sense, please repeat the flavour of your three jack abilities.

Bus drive - using my litter to move people
Psychic - handmaidens telling me who visited ne
Tracking - family connections to learn who goes where
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bng_mmmk posted...

MI, why dowolf?

I 100% trusted VI and dowolf was on my scum list already. Wasn't even a choice.
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Leo just pretend for a moment that you kniw red/Nana are scum and reread reds posts from last night.

Please

His push in me is so obvious
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And Nana has "I don't want to Lynch vi because scum doesn't need to lynch vi"

Extremely questionable wifom to 'confirm' him town

And from his POV if he was town I would have to be scum, right? From last night:

Nanahara715 posted...

I am ok with lynching MI because I feel he's scum anyways

He only feels I am scum? Who else would it be if not me in his mind? THAT'S not a town perspective.

How can you think I'm scummier than them!
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Like I already knew that if we lost I was the last mislynch

But I went to bed feeling good last night. I thought red and Nana were making themselves obvious so waking up to this feels like a slap in the face.

All I keep getting asked is to reparaphrase or redrscribe why I did my night actions. Red and Nana have scummy as fuck play but all I get is focus in my abilities and Leo's weird angle last night
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If Red and Nana are both town, there's only 4 vanilla and all that power. How a power claim claims to use their power has always been important for determining if they're legit. I can't say your play has been noticeably above the other two's.

That being said, I got two hours of sleep and am going to work. So you have all day to convince me, I suppose.

##Unvote
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Yeah 4 vanilla and a lot of power in a Suprak game would be kinda crazy.

GoT1:
Robert Baratheon (Modified Princess)
Arya Stark (Vig in training)
Catelyn Stark (Jailkeeper)
Eddard Stark (Gladiator cop)
Benjen Stark (Commuter)
Varys (Jack of all Scans)
Bronn (Day Gambler)
Barristan Selmy (Bodyguard)
Yoren (Neighborizer)
Jon Snow (Vanilla)
Hodor (Vanilla)
Khal Drogo (Vanilla)
Rickon Stark (Vanilla)

18 players, 4 vanillas. 5 if you want to count the miller-like role in Arya.

Fuck 2016 Mafia:
Oregon Militia (Unlawful Occupier)
Vine (Looper)
Carrie Fisher (Tracker)
Nancy Regan (Cop)
Prince (Lightning Rod)
Hillary Clinton's Political Career (Popular Vote Winner)
Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Justice)
Samsung Note 7 (Exploding Cell Phone)
The Zika Virus (Poisoner)
Ryan Lochte's Reputation (Universal Backup)
Anthony Weiner's Pathetic Dick (Vanilla)
Dakota Access Pipeline Protests (Vanilla)
Abe Vigoda (Vanilla)
Muhammad Ali (Vanilla)

A 20 person game with only 4 vanillas and there isn't even a conditional like Arya!
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If scum has a persistent vig, is Immy reluctant to claim he Bus drove because he's worried a second bus driver claim could have appeared?
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My Immortal posted...

Leo just pretend for a moment that you kniw red/Nana are scum and reread reds posts from last night.

Please

His push in me is so obvious

I actually fully agree with this, Red's arguments from last night made zero fucking sense
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bng_mmmk posted...

alright it's too late for me to make it through all of the D2 lynch and make a comprehensive post

however I'll cut to something I know is important

red, what made you decide to vote VI over dowolf?

nana, I know you started the VI train but can you articulate why again today?

MI, why dowolf?

I felt VI had downplayed his game compared to the previous game I played with him when he was town.

The entirety of that day, he had just asked questions and didn't offer anything himself - he made a total of ONE read/post where he offered original thoughts, and I interpreted his play as "visible lurking."
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Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

Leo just pretend for a moment that you kniw red/Nana are scum and reread reds posts from last night.

Please

His push in me is so obvious

I actually fully agree with this, Red's arguments from last night made zero fucking sense

Like, even if Red's fake town POV dictates that me and MI are scum, he's not a dumbass and would have to realize that from my POV, regardless of my alignment, I would have to see him and MI as scum and he would realize that from MI's POV, regardless of alignment, he would have to see him and me as scum.

Instead, his argument is "Nana called MI scum and MI didn't respond."

Which is further contrary to how Red responded on Day 5 when I called him and MI scum. Red expects Immy to react a certain way to being called scum, but when called scum himself, won't hold himself to the same threshold.
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Looking at those role lists again --

GoT1 has nearly the same protection (Jailkeeper --> Doc and Commuter --> Bulletproof) and has a jack, albeit without protection. But very minimal differences.

Fuck 2016 has MORE protection (Looper, Occupier, Lightning Rod, Jailkeeper + Backup potentially)

Thinking about it and I think Nana was in that game to confirm, didn't town lose because they kept lynching under the "too much protection" pretense?
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Scare was in that game as well as scum. He should be able to validate that.
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That's a pretty good point MI, but those games had roles that were functional vanillas like vig in training.

This is hard. Why me no sleep
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My Immortal posted...

Looking at those role lists again --

GoT1 has nearly the same protection (Jailkeeper --> Doc and Commuter --> Bulletproof) and has a jack, albeit without protection. But very minimal differences.

Fuck 2016 has MORE protection (Looper, Occupier, Lightning Rod, Jailkeeper + Backup potentially)

Thinking about it and I think Nana was in that game to confirm, didn't town lose because they kept lynching under the "too much protection" pretense?

I was in neither.
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Leo3L posted...

That's a pretty good point MI, but those games had roles that were functional vanillas like vig in training.

This is hard. Why me no sleep

I did call out the vig in training in GoT1, but Fuck 2016 had no functional vanillas.
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What would help here Leo? I can go pull the times that Chris & Red were both defending Leo D1. I can go pull all of red's questionable posts from last night. I can post the times that Nana did/said things that made no sense from a town perspective, but I've already called all these out so I don't necessarily want to waste my time pulling them if you're aware of them. Where are your thoughts at with them -- if you think I"m scum, which do you think is my partner? Which do you think is town and why - I'll prove why you're wrong.
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I'm not sure because every time I open this topic my hypothetical vote changes.

My fear is that Nana has had a terrible town game that's being exploited. I don't know how to alleviate that or prove his two instances of anger are fake. His reads flip flop a little too extremely to be scum

For Red I don't have any real pros or cons. It's all WIFOM because he's been so unimpactful. Which yes, is bad all by itself.

I will say I don't care much for arguments that involve this game day nearly as much.

Chris vouched for Red hard and cleared Nana after the elitist fight, and basically ignored you despite calling you scummy at various points, but being wrong on KBM means I can't rely on past scum interactions as much as I thought.

My mind is not nearly made up. I know you're really good scum and Red is apparently a long term schemer scum and Nana has historically been atrocious inactive scum so I'm wart but open.

Scare still wants you dead the most. The others are not as definitive currently. If you're reading this dead guy squad please be explicit 2iyh your advise I'm very tired
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Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

alright it's too late for me to make it through all of the D2 lynch and make a comprehensive post

however I'll cut to something I know is important

red, what made you decide to vote VI over dowolf?

nana, I know you started the VI train but can you articulate why again today?

MI, why dowolf?

I felt VI had downplayed his game compared to the previous game I played with him when he was town.

The entirety of that day, he had just asked questions and didn't offer anything himself - he made a total of ONE read/post where he offered original thoughts, and I interpreted his play as "visible lurking."

That sounds a lot like Chris's "reasoning"
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Scare always wants me dead, that's nothing new.
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VeryInsane posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

alright it's too late for me to make it through all of the D2 lynch and make a comprehensive post

however I'll cut to something I know is important

red, what made you decide to vote VI over dowolf?

nana, I know you started the VI train but can you articulate why again today?

MI, why dowolf?

I felt VI had downplayed his game compared to the previous game I played with him when he was town.

The entirety of that day, he had just asked questions and didn't offer anything himself - he made a total of ONE read/post where he offered original thoughts, and I interpreted his play as "visible lurking."

That sounds a lot like Chris's "reasoning"

I would strongly argue that Chris piggybacked on my reasoning given I was the first to vote you and gave the same reasoning then that I did above, in the same post that I voted for you.

If your argument is "Chris probably told Nana on the scum board to vote for VI for that specific reasoning", then I'm not sure what to tell your or how to even respond.

You can't take my word for it, obviously, but I've never been scum with Chris so don't know if he does that or not.
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VI please help me kill the roleblocker or failing that not lost the game instantly
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Leo3L posted...

Scare still wants you dead the most.

Seriously though, is Scare around right now? Does he remember fuck 2016 mafia where town kept eating itself because there was too much protection?
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My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

Scare still wants you dead the most.

Seriously though, is Scare around right now? Does he remember fuck 2016 mafia where town kept eating itself because there was too much protection?

On the flip side of the coin, WE (you and me "We") won KOTOR 2 by running with "town has too many vanillas"
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Once I get home tonight I will slay the scum
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Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

Scare still wants you dead the most.

Seriously though, is Scare around right now? Does he remember fuck 2016 mafia where town kept eating itself because there was too much protection?

On the flip side of the coin, WE (you and me "We") won KOTOR 2 by running with "town has too many vanillas"

True, but my arguments regarding you and red have nothing to do with setup.
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MI you literally just made a posr regarding vanilla numbers

Because Leo said "If Nana & Red are both scum there are only 4 vanillas and that can't be"

So I showed two Suprak games that were larger than this one that only had 4 vanillas to show that that reasoning isn't valid.
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Pls slay scum while I'm at work in very bored. I accepted a job elsewhere but am still working here because I'm greedy for money and the bank wants me to stick around because ???
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My Immortal posted...

Yeah 4 vanilla and a lot of power in a Suprak game would be kinda crazy.

My Immortal posted...

So I showed two Suprak games that were larger than this one that only had 4 vanillas to show that that reasoning isn't valid.

This is what you said followed by what you are saying you said.

Also i could have articulated that last post better but i didn't even roll out of bed yet.

My cat woks me up she is mezn and demanding. I'm going to try to go back to sleep.

Leafeon13N posted...

My Immortal posted...

Yeah 4 vanilla and a lot of power in a Suprak game would be kinda crazy.

My Immortal posted...

So I showed two Suprak games that were larger than this one that only had 4 vanillas to show that that reasoning isn't valid.

This is what you said followed by what you are saying you said.

Did I need to clarify that that first post was sarcastic? I was saying assuming there was only 4 vanillas would be crazy sarcastically before showing two examples of a game with only 4 vanillas.

That doesn't mean my argument is there only has to be 4 vanillas which is why you two are scum. You two are scum for reasons other than the number of vanillas.
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A sarcastic argument is still an argument, MI.

You're being purposefully ignorant to my actual point here so I'm not going to bother anymore.

Leo - come on.
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My Immortal posted...

And this is even ignoring the other half if your posts. Look at the way red melted down and came at only me and not the other half of the scum team in Nana. He is going for the win today.

Leo3L posted...

This is an outright lie. You were the part of nanas argument i attacked but i was very clear i thought you both were scum and would lynch either of you.

My argument waa immediately that nana was posting a scenario where it had to be red MI scumteam but that you both were only for me.

There is a pushing missing from that post.

Also me going for the win?

Nana was the first to come in, parade around a scenario you are scum, and your entire focus when you arrive in the topic is on me.

By this topic i mean mafia topic in general, obviously

One being pushed (red)
One in the background (Nana)
One smack dab in the middle (MI)

Woo WIFOM arguments
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