Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 10 - Fire Consumes, But Cold Preserves

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Preserved (8):
1) bng_mmmk
6) htaeD
8) Leafeon13N
9) Leo3L
11) My_Immortal
13) Nanahara715
16) Vengeful_KBM
17) VeryInsane

Consumed:
LD1: FFD - The High Sparrow, TOWN Bulletproof
KN1: Scare - Brienne of Tarth, TOWN Double Voting Protector
KN1: Stan - Doran Martell, TOWN Ninja Cop
LD2: dowolf - Osney Kettleblack, TOWN Vanilla
KN2: MajinZidane - Marillion, TOWN Bodyguard
KN2: DoomTheGyarados - Victarion Greyjoy, GREYJOY Persistant Strongman Vigilante
LD3: Shaduln - Theon Greyjoy, GREYJOY Ninja Godfather
LD4: Han - Asha Greyjoy, GREYJOY Tracker
KN4: Jeff_Zero - Lady Stoneheart, TOWN One-shot Vigilante

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends on Friday at 9 PM!
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http://amourdillo.com/board.php?search=mafia for the previous topics.

Current Votals
MI[2]: Leo, Nana
Nana[1]: KBM, (Leo)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends on Friday at 9 PM!
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htaeD posted...

the thing that bothers me about a Nana scumscenario is that he and Chris spent so much time putting each other in the spotlight

Granted, that could just have been a repeat of last game's 'Chris angry with me' act

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(Day 4 ending votals)
[5] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff, red, Nana
[3] Nana: MI, VI, KBM
[2] KBM: (Leo), Han, Death

(Day 3 ending votals)
[6] Shad: Leo, Death, Jeff, MI, red, Han
[1] Han: Shad, (puns)

(Day 2 ending votals)
[7] dowolf: (KBM), (MI), (Death), Boko, (Leo), VI, Shad, MI, (KBM), (Leo), Jeff, KBM, Han
[6] VI: Nana, (Chris), dowolf, (Puns), (Chris), puns, Chris, Leo, red
[1] Puns: (Chris), (Shad), death
[0] Shad: (Puns), (Leo), (MI), (red), (Leo), (puns), (puns), (Chris), (KBM)
[0] Leo: (Chris)
[0] death: (VI), (Han), (MI), (KBM), (Shad)
[0] Jeff: (dowolf)
[0] Nana: (MI)

(Day 1 ending votals)
[7] FFD: red, death, (Leo), KBM, Scare, Jeff, puns, Leo
[5] puns: Shad, Stan, Han, (dowolf), Nana, Scare2
[2] dowolf: (Chris), (MI), (Leo), MI, VI, (puns), (Leo)
[1] Han: (puns), FFD
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] Nana: (Chris), (KBM), (MI), (KBM), (Stan), dowolf
[0] Chris: (puns), (Scare), (Nana)
[0] death: (VI)
[0] MysteriousStan: (Han), (dowolf), (Jeff Zero), (puns), (Leo), (death)
[0] Scare: (Leo), (Stan), (puns), (Death)
[0] Boko: (MI), (KBM)
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)
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Ooh, votals. Best cohost
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Does scum Nana really get so pissed off at Han for voting with an alt? I mean, he risked getting modkilled for that little soapbox.

sidenote, it's not like I and probably most people had an idea whose alt that was until I read it closely either
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(Day 4 ending votals)
[5] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff, red, Nana
[3] Nana: MI, VI, KBM
[2] KBM: (Leo), Han, Death

(Day 3 ending votals)
[6] Shad: Leo, Death, Jeff, MI, red, Han
[1] Han: Shad, (puns)

(Day 2 ending votals)
[7] Dowolf: (KBM), (MI), (Death), Boko, (Leo), VI, Shad, MI, (KBM), (Leo), Jeff, KBM, Han
[6] VI: Nana, (Chris), Dowolf, (Puns), (Chris), puns, Chris, Leo, red
[1] Puns: (Chris), (Shad), death
[0] Shad: (Puns), (Leo), (MI), (red), (Leo), (puns), (puns), (Chris), (KBM)
[0] Leo: (Chris)
[0] death: (VI), (Han), (MI), (KBM), (Shad)
[0] Jeff: (Dowolf)
[0] Nana: (MI)

(Day 1 ending votals)
[7] FFD: red, death, (Leo), KBM, Scare, Jeff, puns, Leo
[5] puns: Shad, Stan, Han, (Dowolf), Nana, Scare2
[2] Dowolf: (Chris), (MI), (Leo), MI, VI, (puns), (Leo)
[1] Han: (puns), FFD
[1] Leo: Chris, (MI)
[1] Nana: (Chris), (KBM), (MI), (KBM), (Stan), Dowolf
[0] Chris: (puns), (Scare), (Nana)
[0] death: (VI)
[0] MysteriousStan: (Han), (Dowolf), (Jeff Zero), (puns), (Leo), (death)
[0] Scare: (Leo), (Stan), (puns), (Death)
[0] Boko: (MI), (KBM)
[0] VI: (Chris)
[0] red: (VI), (KBM)
[0] MI: (puns)
[0] Jeff: (Nana)

Interesting that MI has only been voted once before now, briefly by Puns.
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What are your thoughts on what I said about Nana Leo?
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I agree that town Nana usually plays much better, but I think it's a little overstated here

Who's your second scum here?
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Why didn't you claim the bus drive day two to draw a target for your psychic N2?
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Also, why aren't you voting Nana yet if you're that certain?
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Leo3L posted...

Why didn't you claim the bus drive day two to draw a target for your psychic N2?

Because I wanted to use my track before I used my psychic.

I figured I'd either get killed or blocked N3 and was hoping for the block.
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Leo3L posted...

Also, why aren't you voting Nana yet if you're that certain?

We went over this yesterday, I don't feel a need to rush things.

I will be voting Nana today.
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Leo3L posted...

I agree that town Nana usually plays much better, but I think it's a little overstated here

Who's your second scum here?

(I probably should've just condensed this into one post. Sue me.)

KBM or Red. Leaning KBM but I wouldn't be surprised either way. Red gets points for expressing more doubt on scum (i.e. Han special D2) but loses points for not ever actually pushing for... anything really.

I trust VI
I trust puns
I trust you
I trust death even more now that I know we had a full time doctor
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I can elaborate any of those trusts if needed.
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My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

Also, why aren't you voting Nana yet if you're that certain?

We went over this yesterday, I don't feel a need to rush things.

I will be voting Nana today.

Yeah but like

That was Han's argument
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My biggest concern about MI is scum was aware of a bus drive and never targeted him Day 2 or 3. Trying to figure out how
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Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

Also, why aren't you voting Nana yet if you're that certain?

We went over this yesterday, I don't feel a need to rush things.

I will be voting Nana today.

Yeah but like

That was Han's argument

-shrug-

I think much more suspicious was both Nana and KBM who openly admitted to wanting to see how the wind was blowing before voting.

Maybe that was only KBM who said that

One of them said it and it really bugged me.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I've been withholding my lynch because I wanted to let others decide what the major choices were. I'm going to do a reread of the whole game during the night to see if I can get my bearings more for Day 5. It's been taking more energy than I anticipated to keep up with all the different possible actions and whatnot.

Han is the right choice for today's lynch, but I don't see any benefit in ending the day early. If anybody has anything in particular they want me to say/answer before the deadline, I am around now!

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I also think KBM is scum at the moment so no argument there
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Looks like Nana never made a comment on waiting until last minute to vote, it was just a KBM thing.
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But Nana had that 'lynch was planned, so late voters are town' when he was conveniently a late voter. That's still ridiculous.
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That truly was atrocious. How many "good" roles were left to flip besides roleblocker that he wouldn't hold against Puns? Rolecop slot, roleblocker slot, last one could even be vanilla. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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It's not the flip on puns that bugs me the most (although that's bad as well!)

It's the "I think late voters are town." when he was the latest vote. There's no logic to him thinking that other than to plant seeds in town's head to help him
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I want more Death today help me out bud
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Btw Nana you said something that kind of bothered me when you said it was you vs MI.

It simply isn't(Maybe in terms of lynch right now, yeah, I know). The real choice is MI vs death and Vanillas vs Each other.

Don't want people to lose sight of that.
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What are your thoughts on everyone, VI?

red13n posted...

Btw Nana you said something that kind of bothered me when you said it was you vs MI.

It simply isn't(Maybe in terms of lynch right now, yeah, I know). The real choice is MI vs death and Vanillas vs Each other.

Don't want people to lose sight of that.

This is what the mason board says as well. Though we have it narrower as one of MI/Death and KBM/Nana.
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I think the simplest answer is MI/KBM but I can also see Nana/KBM

The one thing I am certain of is that Scumteam isn't MI/Nana just from interactions
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btw maybe its paranoia but I'm freaking out that we all misread the end of day 2.

If Chris were the only scum on VI and a big pile on by scum for Dowolf. It scares the fuck out of me.
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Leo3L posted...

This is what the mason board says as well. Though we have it narrower as one of MI/Death and KBM/Nana.

This is still the likely scenario. Especially with scum seemingly demoralized.
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Possible scum thought I could be mislynched to win the game next day

Then Chris got vigged oops
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red13n posted...

btw maybe its paranoia but I'm freaking out that we all misread the end of day 2.

If Chris were the only scum on VI and a big pile on by scum for Dowolf. It scares the fuck out of me.

VI is Town. Trust me. Don't be paranoid.
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Scare says Town MI would go super saiyan here and take charge. Says he's too complacent and doesn't back up his Nana read with specific citations.
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Scare thought MI was scum Day 1, right?
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I've been against Nana since D1 and have given examples of the shady shit he's done.

When a big part of the case is "Nana isn't doing things" what am I supposed to cite for that?

I don't want people to focus on "one of death/MI" because I don't want you guys to just auto-lynch death after me and lose because you'll have in it your head that there's too much power
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VeryInsane posted...

Scare thought MI was scum Day 1, right?

Yes.
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And honestly I have been feeling kind of passive about this today because as I already stated I feel like this game was designed for my role to take a fall

But holy shit Scare saying that has pissed me off so much I'm literally shaking right now and I don't know why.
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Don't have time to look at archives but how much did Shad/Han/Chris talk about MI
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I've started and deleted so many posts here because I don't want to be a dick.
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I sincerely don't see how MI is any scummier than Nana. Possibly because I refuse to engage in role meta when a host has specifically said not to. I've seen these situations crash and burn before, and Nana has just looked atrocious the whole game. I can go back and forth on the roleblocker question and MI vs. Death. Maybe they're both telling the truth and Leo is telling the truth and it's a Nana/Red scum team. But the one thing I feel sure about is Nana (who hasn't voted for me in the entire game which shocked me upon rereading). Nana's kept his hands off of pretty much every dirty situation, and confirmed scum making a display of moving the focus from his lynch to Puns' at the end of D1 also continues to really bother me.

I don't want to lynch someone today over role meta, I've just seen it screw town over so many times even when something was "obvious" like people are saying MI is. I don't feel comfortable ignoring the fact that a reread made me feel better about him.

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

I agree that town Nana usually plays much better, but I think it's a little overstated here

Who's your second scum here?

(I probably should've just condensed this into one post. Sue me.)

KBM or Red. Leaning KBM but I wouldn't be surprised either way. Red gets points for expressing more doubt on scum (i.e. Han special D2) but loses points for not ever actually pushing for... anything really.

I trust VI
I trust puns
I trust you
I trust death even more now that I know we had a full time doctor

Why would having EVEN MORE PROTECTION make you more comfortable with EVEN MORE SCANNING?
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All these CAPITAL LETTERS also seem rather DISINGENUOUS SOMEHOW.

Man every time I come around to Nana he says something which makes me scratch my head

What's the full thoughts from the Mason board on who is scum, Leo? Like does each person have a list of who they think? Would be nice to compare
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

I sincerely don't see how MI is any scummier than Nana. Possibly because I refuse to engage in role meta when a host has specifically said not to. I've seen these situations crash and burn before, and Nana has just looked atrocious the whole game. I can go back and forth on the roleblocker question and MI vs. Death. Maybe they're both telling the truth and Leo is telling the truth and it's a Nana/Red scum team. But the one thing I feel sure about is Nana (who hasn't voted for me in the entire game which shocked me upon rereading). Nana's kept his hands off of pretty much every dirty situation, and confirmed scum making a display of moving the focus from his lynch to Puns' at the end of D1 also continues to really bother me.

I don't want to lynch someone today over role meta, I've just seen it screw town over so many times even when something was "obvious" like people are saying MI is. I don't feel comfortable ignoring the fact that a reread made me feel better about him.

This doesn't make sense.

"Confirmed scum" are Chris, Han, and Shad, and none of them moved to Puns at the end of the day from me or shifted focus away from me.

No one has addressed the fact that there are currently no flipped scum on a player who claims they never get lynched.
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Technically speaking Suprak said not to flavour meta. Set up meta is still on the table.

MI, I don't believe your role was set up to fail because if you claimed power early on you have a high chance of being targeted by the scum blocker who is not a ninja.

Consider D2:

Chris: There was a bus drive FML
MI: Yeah that was my B, scum can get around it somehow. I'm Margaery Town JOAT
Scum: Roleblock MI or shoot MI, MI is potentially saved by Bokokbok or scum has doctor fear, scum ded

Sure, you can say that hindsight is 20/20, but it's along the same lines of saying your role was doomed to fail just because it happened to fail.
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